1 00:00:06,599 --> 00:00:08,839 Hi! My name is Sarah. 2 00:00:08,839 --> 00:00:12,259 I'm a Minority Rights activist and an Egyptian. 3 00:00:12,349 --> 00:00:16,649 For the past three years, being an Egyptian has meant for me 4 00:00:16,649 --> 00:00:19,159 reclaiming my belonging to this nation. 5 00:00:19,389 --> 00:00:23,089 This is because, for the past three years in Egypt, 6 00:00:23,089 --> 00:00:28,019 I've been part of a collective effort to formulate who we are, 7 00:00:28,019 --> 00:00:31,129 but more importantly, what we want. 8 00:00:31,779 --> 00:00:37,379 This is new because for the past 30 years in Egypt, we've been taught by our regime 9 00:00:37,379 --> 00:00:43,249 that what we will do is connected to who we are as individuals 10 00:00:43,249 --> 00:00:45,659 and not to what we want as people. 11 00:00:45,859 --> 00:00:50,829 So, for the past 20 years, I've been planning my future 12 00:00:50,829 --> 00:00:54,319 independently from the fate of my own people, 13 00:00:54,319 --> 00:00:58,729 and I ended up leaving Cairo for Paris 14 00:00:58,729 --> 00:01:04,249 on January 17, 2011, to pursue my education. 15 00:01:05,049 --> 00:01:07,069 On January 18, 16 00:01:07,069 --> 00:01:11,169 I met this German journalist, Camille, in a bar in Paris, 17 00:01:11,169 --> 00:01:15,859 and she was doing work on the uprisings in Tunisia. 18 00:01:16,189 --> 00:01:19,679 After a few drinks, she inevitably asked me, 19 00:01:19,999 --> 00:01:23,939 "So, what do you think will happen now that Ben Ali's regime is down?" 20 00:01:23,939 --> 00:01:25,749 and I told her, "What do you mean?" 21 00:01:25,749 --> 00:01:29,559 She said, "Well, don't you think Egyptians will have their own revolution?" 22 00:01:29,559 --> 00:01:33,909 I smiled at her sarcastically and I said, "Of course not." 23 00:01:34,109 --> 00:01:36,759 Obviously, she was right and I was wrong 24 00:01:36,759 --> 00:01:42,949 because the revolution went ahead and took place on January 25, 2011. 25 00:01:43,499 --> 00:01:47,579 And I just couldn't believe I left Egypt a week before the revolution, 26 00:01:47,579 --> 00:01:51,809 and now I had to sit back and watch it from so far away! 27 00:01:51,939 --> 00:01:55,929 So, I developed a love-hate relationship with this revolution. 28 00:01:56,109 --> 00:02:00,889 I loved it because, for the first time in my life, I could envision an Egypt 29 00:02:00,889 --> 00:02:03,319 that I wished for and could be part of. 30 00:02:03,519 --> 00:02:07,799 In fact, the idea was that anyone could be part of this new Egypt. 31 00:02:08,289 --> 00:02:11,939 I hated it because its very existence reminded me 32 00:02:11,939 --> 00:02:14,899 that I had lived for the past 20 years 33 00:02:14,899 --> 00:02:18,489 completely disconnected from my own people. 34 00:02:18,729 --> 00:02:22,089 In June 2011, I went back to Egypt, 35 00:02:22,089 --> 00:02:27,539 and I decided I will have random conversations with friends and family 36 00:02:27,539 --> 00:02:30,579 to make up my mind about this revolution. 37 00:02:30,959 --> 00:02:34,299 At this time, Egypt was already questioning the path 38 00:02:34,299 --> 00:02:37,239 that it had taken to democracy. 39 00:02:37,409 --> 00:02:40,897 And I soon discovered 40 00:02:40,897 --> 00:02:45,397 that many of us shared this bitter-sweet relationship with the revolution. 41 00:02:45,707 --> 00:02:48,527 Ahmad El-Gamal, who was a blind journalist 42 00:02:48,527 --> 00:02:53,857 I met on the course of a Minority Rights training I was organizing in Egypt, 43 00:02:53,857 --> 00:02:55,657 is a good example of that. 44 00:02:55,657 --> 00:02:57,117 Ahmad might be blind, 45 00:02:57,117 --> 00:03:01,497 but it honestly took me five minutes on a noisy bus ride in Cairo 46 00:03:01,497 --> 00:03:06,137 to discover that he sees Egypt much more clearly than I do. 47 00:03:06,457 --> 00:03:09,947 And if you ask Ahmad about his story with the revolution, 48 00:03:09,947 --> 00:03:11,637 he will tell you two things. 49 00:03:11,637 --> 00:03:14,777 He will tell you that three years before the revolution, 50 00:03:14,777 --> 00:03:18,327 he met his assigned officer from the Ministry of Interior. 51 00:03:18,657 --> 00:03:22,957 This officer was responsible for monitoring his anti-regime writings 52 00:03:22,957 --> 00:03:27,477 and would come and pick him up regularly in the middle of the night from his bed, 53 00:03:27,477 --> 00:03:30,477 so he could spend the night in prison for his writings. 54 00:03:30,627 --> 00:03:34,207 Then Ahmad will amazingly fast forward 55 00:03:34,207 --> 00:03:37,357 to January 28, 2011, 56 00:03:37,357 --> 00:03:40,137 a date that Egyptians call the "Day of Anger," 57 00:03:40,137 --> 00:03:45,447 where he will tell you that he saw all the colors of Egypt at Tahrir Square. 58 00:03:45,757 --> 00:03:48,177 And he will tell you that it's on this day 59 00:03:48,177 --> 00:03:52,007 that he realized that there will be freedom in Egypt. 60 00:03:52,407 --> 00:03:56,947 You see, before January 2011, there was no freedom in Egypt. 61 00:03:57,227 --> 00:04:03,097 Ironically, the best way to describe it is to say that Egypt was a pyramid. 62 00:04:03,357 --> 00:04:08,446 And depending on your class, education, gender, ethnicity, religion, 63 00:04:08,446 --> 00:04:10,716 you would be somewhere in this pyramid. 64 00:04:10,716 --> 00:04:13,476 In a way, we were all stuck in these categories 65 00:04:13,476 --> 00:04:17,306 that defined who we are and where we are in this structure. 66 00:04:17,546 --> 00:04:19,676 There was no way to change that. 67 00:04:19,676 --> 00:04:25,276 It went on for so long, because it allowed everyone to exclude at least someone: 68 00:04:25,506 --> 00:04:28,946 the rich excluded the poor; the men excluded the women; 69 00:04:28,946 --> 00:04:31,536 the Muslims excluded the non-Muslims. 70 00:04:31,536 --> 00:04:36,006 If you ask Egyptians about how to call this type of regimes, 71 00:04:36,006 --> 00:04:37,736 they will tell you two things. 72 00:04:37,736 --> 00:04:41,776 Either they will tell you it's not a dictatorial regime, 73 00:04:41,776 --> 00:04:45,236 it's not an authoritarian regime, it's not a military regime. 74 00:04:45,236 --> 00:04:49,686 They will refuse all the above categories that we usually use. 75 00:04:50,006 --> 00:04:55,976 Or, they will tell you that they can't agree on how to call it. 76 00:04:56,106 --> 00:04:59,906 But, one thing they will tell you is that they all felt excluded, 77 00:04:59,906 --> 00:05:03,256 and that, no matter where they were in the structure. 78 00:05:03,636 --> 00:05:08,496 So no one knew the only chant everyone agrees on about the revolution 79 00:05:08,496 --> 00:05:11,636 is the Egyptians want the end of the regime. 80 00:05:11,926 --> 00:05:16,836 Unfortunately, the end of the Mubarak regime in February 2011 81 00:05:16,836 --> 00:05:19,536 did not mean the end of the exclusion regime. 82 00:05:19,946 --> 00:05:24,336 In fact, in February 2011, the military took over, 83 00:05:24,336 --> 00:05:29,326 and, while they were announcing presidential and parliamentary elections, 84 00:05:29,336 --> 00:05:34,046 a lot of street movements like trade unions and youth unions 85 00:05:34,046 --> 00:05:39,636 went on demonstrations and became violent on November 2011. 86 00:05:40,486 --> 00:05:42,746 For a lot of people who had lived disconnected 87 00:05:42,746 --> 00:05:46,536 from the political life like myself, this was a double struggle. 88 00:05:46,536 --> 00:05:49,216 This was a struggle for political participation 89 00:05:49,216 --> 00:05:54,986 but it was also a struggle against our own little governments: our mothers. 90 00:05:55,336 --> 00:05:59,406 Because we were prohibited - my mum is in the public ... 91 00:05:59,406 --> 00:06:00,916 (Laughter) 92 00:06:00,916 --> 00:06:04,284 We were prohibited from going to these demonstrations, 93 00:06:04,284 --> 00:06:08,284 so myself and a few friends decided 94 00:06:08,284 --> 00:06:11,154 that we will take the bus to the university 95 00:06:11,154 --> 00:06:14,306 and then we would agree with the bus driver from the university 96 00:06:14,306 --> 00:06:18,066 to take us to Tahrir Square and then take us back home. 97 00:06:18,066 --> 00:06:20,996 So we would go there, scream from the top of our lungs 98 00:06:20,996 --> 00:06:23,071 and then go home like nothing happened. 99 00:06:23,071 --> 00:06:24,546 (Laughter) 100 00:06:24,546 --> 00:06:27,139 As a journalist once put it, back then, 101 00:06:27,139 --> 00:06:30,979 "Egypt is the only country where youths are more afraid of their parents 102 00:06:30,979 --> 00:06:32,909 than they are afraid of tanks." 103 00:06:32,909 --> 00:06:34,809 (Laughter) 104 00:06:35,789 --> 00:06:41,009 After a long fight, we eventually got to elect our first civilian president 105 00:06:41,009 --> 00:06:42,769 in June 2012. 106 00:06:43,039 --> 00:06:47,229 The losers of the old regime had become the winners of the new regime. 107 00:06:47,229 --> 00:06:52,979 Everything was wonderful until, on November 22, 2012, 108 00:06:52,979 --> 00:06:56,479 I got this phone call from a friend of mine, Manar, 109 00:06:56,479 --> 00:06:59,739 who's a journalist about my same age, 110 00:06:59,739 --> 00:07:03,809 and I was driving my little black car in the crazy streets of Cairo. 111 00:07:03,809 --> 00:07:07,589 She said, "Where are you?" I told her, "I'm coming to meet you." 112 00:07:07,609 --> 00:07:09,899 She said, "Well, pull over." so I pulled over, 113 00:07:09,899 --> 00:07:15,699 and she said, "President Morsi just announced a constitutional decree 114 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:21,869 protecting his decisions from all accountability." 115 00:07:22,579 --> 00:07:26,389 I sat in silence in my car, 116 00:07:26,389 --> 00:07:29,469 chocking in my deepest, darkest fears. 117 00:07:29,669 --> 00:07:34,279 I felt betrayed and I felt angry because this was a "déjà-vu," 118 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:39,479 and the question of how we got there was just running again and again in my head. 119 00:07:39,729 --> 00:07:44,944 I drove to my friend and, as we sat talking and talking, 120 00:07:44,944 --> 00:07:49,754 our anger transformed into hatred against the Islamists. 121 00:07:49,884 --> 00:07:51,494 And it hit me! 122 00:07:51,494 --> 00:07:56,664 I realized that the biggest crime that had been committed against Egyptians 123 00:07:56,664 --> 00:08:00,564 for the past 30 years is that the exclusion regime 124 00:08:00,564 --> 00:08:06,544 was so embedded in our very ideas, in our very soul, in our very being, 125 00:08:06,544 --> 00:08:09,074 that we didn't even know about it. 126 00:08:09,074 --> 00:08:12,644 We didn't even know about it until we hit rock bottom, 127 00:08:12,644 --> 00:08:17,864 and that rock bottom was when our first elected president 128 00:08:17,864 --> 00:08:22,844 had just excluded us from decision making. 129 00:08:23,754 --> 00:08:27,214 You know, the more I think about it, the more I tell myself 130 00:08:27,214 --> 00:08:31,454 that the January revolution and the June movement 131 00:08:31,454 --> 00:08:35,524 and all the coming revolutions are inescapable. 132 00:08:35,634 --> 00:08:41,834 This is simply because exclusion regimes bear the seeds of their own destruction. 133 00:08:41,834 --> 00:08:45,114 With time and resistance, they become violent. 134 00:08:45,114 --> 00:08:47,684 And I'm not only talking about the kind of violence 135 00:08:47,684 --> 00:08:49,974 that Ahmad El-Gamal had to handle. 136 00:08:49,974 --> 00:08:53,974 I am talking about all the other kinds of violence 137 00:08:53,974 --> 00:08:59,984 that are so subtle and end up marginalizing everyone. 138 00:09:00,304 --> 00:09:05,514 A lot of people ask us why we went down on November, 139 00:09:05,874 --> 00:09:11,834 and why we went down against Morsi in June. 140 00:09:12,324 --> 00:09:17,514 My answer is "because the question is not about elections 141 00:09:17,514 --> 00:09:19,524 and not about the parliamentary system. 142 00:09:19,524 --> 00:09:23,904 it's about building a system where we can all find a place 143 00:09:23,904 --> 00:09:26,064 and realize our full potential." 144 00:09:26,224 --> 00:09:31,894 No, we were not afraid of dying because we don't want to live in a country 145 00:09:31,894 --> 00:09:37,154 where we have to trade our freedom and rights for a piece of bread 146 00:09:37,154 --> 00:09:40,384 so that we can't hold our governments accountable 147 00:09:40,384 --> 00:09:45,594 for any other types of exclusion that we have to handle everyday. 148 00:09:46,684 --> 00:09:51,244 A lot of people ask me why I work on Minority Rights in Egypt, 149 00:09:51,244 --> 00:09:55,494 why I don't work on education or raising awareness 150 00:09:55,494 --> 00:09:59,584 to help democracy strike. 151 00:10:00,174 --> 00:10:05,954 My answer is "because I believe democracy starts at the margins." 152 00:10:06,164 --> 00:10:10,634 It's only when a society looks inside itself 153 00:10:10,634 --> 00:10:15,804 and realizes the exclusion regimes it is producing by its own self 154 00:10:15,804 --> 00:10:18,544 that it can truly become democratic. 155 00:10:18,714 --> 00:10:22,914 Today, the question in Egypt and, I believe, everywhere is, 156 00:10:22,914 --> 00:10:27,604 how can we talk about equality if we're not talking about discrimination? 157 00:10:27,604 --> 00:10:29,654 How can we talk about justice 158 00:10:29,654 --> 00:10:33,714 if we can't talk about the violence that has been done to us? 159 00:10:33,714 --> 00:10:37,364 But more importantly, the violence that we are doing to each other? 160 00:10:37,524 --> 00:10:43,054 If I've learnt one thing for the past three years of revolution in Egypt, 161 00:10:43,054 --> 00:10:45,924 it's that democracy is about dialog, 162 00:10:45,924 --> 00:10:50,744 and not the pretty sugar-coated dialog that we hear in the media 163 00:10:50,744 --> 00:10:52,994 about all the things we're doing right. 164 00:10:52,994 --> 00:10:57,844 I am talking about the blunt, honest and painful dialog 165 00:10:57,844 --> 00:11:02,724 that we have to have with each other about all the things we're doing wrong. 166 00:11:03,614 --> 00:11:07,064 Today, Egyptians have created 167 00:11:07,064 --> 00:11:10,414 the first electronic map 168 00:11:10,414 --> 00:11:12,304 for sexual harassment. 169 00:11:12,304 --> 00:11:15,354 They have engaged in monologues 170 00:11:15,354 --> 00:11:19,484 to tell each other about the experiences of violence they are living. 171 00:11:19,744 --> 00:11:24,204 They have done things like this and this 172 00:11:24,204 --> 00:11:26,344 where they will paint a wall 173 00:11:26,344 --> 00:11:31,164 that was made to prohibit them from protesting, 174 00:11:31,164 --> 00:11:36,154 into their own vision of what it should be and their own vision of the future. 175 00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:40,794 And this why today, if you ask me right outside this hall, 176 00:11:40,794 --> 00:11:45,024 if I believe that the Egyptian revolution will succeed, 177 00:11:45,024 --> 00:11:48,934 I will smile at you, and this time honestly tell you, 178 00:11:48,934 --> 00:11:50,774 "Of course yes!" 179 00:11:50,774 --> 00:11:52,534 Thank you. 180 00:11:52,534 --> 00:11:54,464 (Applause)