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...Right? Be aware of that.

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So when you're doing it,

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when you're not conscious about it,

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what you're doing is you're grasping it.

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Your deep insides are saying, 
"I hate this."

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Very quietly, but "I hate."

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But if you're conscious of it, 
in that moment,

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you look at a famous person,

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you look at them from a place 
of openness.

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You have to look at the image,

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because the image is where you're storing 
that information and emotion.

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You look, but you're trying to look 
from a different place

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You're reprogramming it
you're restructuring it.

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You are healing the relationship.

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So if you look with that openness 
to that same image,

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At some point that image will 
have different meaning for you.

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It will not carry the same meaning.

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If you look at it in your own body,

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if you look at it in your health, 
probably the same thing

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You know, wherever the cells are in 
your body

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producing a kind of disease, 
like a cancerous cell,

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if you look at that, if you're being 
aware of that in your body

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aware of yourself, the whole aspect of 
yourself,

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it will begin to give different 
information to the rest of your body.

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And therefore, that information 
helps begin to restructure

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your biological conditions.

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It is what we believe, how to understand it's going to happen to the body.

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Reproduction of cells, like cancerous 
cells, the same principle.

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That's how the cancerous cell knows how 
to reproduce the cancerous cell.

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It will do wonderful thing if it 
forgets one day.

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And it's producing some new cell.

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Probably that's what happens 
if the deep pattern of identity

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it shifts something inside you

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It shifts what it brings in the body.

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So the principle here is

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the power of openness and awareness 
is able to change things

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in our body, able to change the way 
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it's able to change the way we relate 
to the world,

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it's able to change everything.

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That's why it's called vision, it's able to 
cut those things.

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So that's a bit of explanation.

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Any questions?

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I'm happy to see that many European 
people are staying up really late.

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They are participating with us.

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So any questions?

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Do you think that in openness, there's a 
possibility to maintain curiosity?

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Curiosity? Yeah, and there is some degree
of curiosity in ourselves.

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And there's also curiosity on some 
survival level, you know

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I'm curious to know what I need, and 
so on.

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Curiosity has a lot of playfulness,

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and you cannot have playfulness

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if you're not open to it.

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What we use, what we say, 
we are serious.

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That's what happens in a relationship, 
when people are very serious

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in a relationship, that is the beginning 
of divorce.

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[laughs]

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They are curious about each other? Yes. 
Too curious about each other.

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They are not that curious, they are very 
open to each other,

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that doesn't mean 
loyalty and things like that.

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There's some sort of sense of openness

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and that brings a lot of playfulness.

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I was in a place in a country
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and I was making a little joke, saying,

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"How are you going to be a little more 
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So how are you going to be a little 
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first thing, you kind of have to go 
inside yourself, wherever this

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seriousness is stuck. You have to go 
to that place inside and loosen that up.

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You have to feel some confidence.

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I think that confidence is clearly a key
to be playful.

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So if you're confident that you can be a
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can have humor, and you can have 
curiosity in a good way.

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If whatever you're curious about is 
not showing up, you're curious

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why it's not showing up!

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Rather than feeling pain that it's not 
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You're open to every direction.

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So yes, I don't think openness prevents 
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Openness makes life richer not poorer.

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Openness is the source of knowledge, more
than the knowledge we conceptually know.

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There was a study in Netherlands about these

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executive people making big 
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The research was based on, did they make a
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Or did they make a better decision when 
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The conclusion was, they made a much 
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they didn't think much.

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So of course, people who think a lot,

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they believe we have to think.

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we have to think to not to think.

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But, some sense of these practices call 
for a direct path.

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Direct path means you don't have 
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You can just be aware of it.

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Any other questions?

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We have a group of people in Brazil 
who we've met with before,

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they're asking, "Please, what do you mean 
by the essence of sky?"

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[laughs]

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[he repeats the question.]

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First, when I say essence, the sense 
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the truth of the sky, the truth of the 
phenomena, the truth of the mind.

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So in some sense, the essence of sky I 
mean, the truth of the sky.

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So what is the truth of the sky?

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It's that boundlessness. When I'm gazing 
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of that boundlessness, because the sky
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When I'm aware of that, it's something
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Psychologically it does something to me 
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I feel that boundlessness.

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But when I'm looking at the sky I have 
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That's what I'm seeing, that's what I'm
experiencing, that's what I'm aware of.

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Very often people will not be aware
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I gave one example where people were 
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Everybody was having this wonderful 
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But one guy was getting really agitated 
about it. He looked around,

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and it seemed like everyone seems 
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He's wondering why they're having a good
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And he said, "What am I supposed to see?"

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[laughs]

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Well, he's not seeing the essence of the 
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He's not seeing the boundlessness of 
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He's expecting some stuff to show up 
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what he would desire.

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So that's what I mean.

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I saw a cartoon in New York Times
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there was this wall street person, 
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hiking shoes and all those things, and 
really getting up in the mountain.

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And on top of the mountain he sees 
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Not with the hiking shoes. He sees 
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and breathless with this pure vision.

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So, no matter where you go, you might 
see your impure visions

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you're not even able to see what you're 
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You're only seeing what you're wanting 
to see.

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Yeah.

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[asking question] This is somewhat 
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Kelly is in Vietnam right now, and she's
watching the broadcast.

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She says, "Here in Vietnam I'm more 
lonely than I was even in the dark retreat

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Everything truly appears to be illusion.

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How can I keep myself connected when
there are so few supports?"

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It seems like she's in a place where she's
lacking support.

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Sure. Well, you know,

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the opportunity for you to be 
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lonely person in you.

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So that basically means what we were 
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"It really hurts me. I really feel lonely,
I really feel lonely."

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And probably that sense of loneliness, 
probably everybody feels it.

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At some times we have to go so 
far away to feel it really strong.

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So when you feel it really strong, 
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to know that.

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And to know that will be fully open 
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and when you're fully open to that, 
it will go away.

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When it goes away, the voice saying, 
"I'm lonely," and the energy

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bringing a sense of loneliness, and the
one who's thinking, "I'm far away,"

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or "I'm thinking maybe to move away,"

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Out of all those voices and cards and the 
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all those somehow are like a cloud.

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The way you let them go away is by being 
fully aware and connect.

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Connect with them, so it's like a loving 
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napping child. So radiate the love and 
attention with your open awareness

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to that lonely experience in yourself.

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That awareness, when you open to that, 
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It will dissolve. And when it dissolves, 


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you come to a place where you don't 
feel that loneliness.

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So you need to become familiar with that 
place where you don't feel familiar.

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The question is, how do you get to that 
place where you can feel

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"it's okay." So that's what I was saying 
earlier that pain body.

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The principle is the same.

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And we all, right now with the internet, 
you're not lonely, you know?

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Everybody's together. Yes?

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[questioner:] Could you comment on the 
role of medical diagnosis

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when one experiences certain aches 
and pains? Does seeking that

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diagnostic action from a Western medical 
practitioner, is that a way of

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staying attached to the story of the pain 
rather than being with it

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and allowing it to disappear?

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Well I think that....

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Well, I think in the West, all the doctors
are trained to tell some sense of truth.

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So people say, "Okay you only have five
months to live," or something like that.

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So if somebody has 5 months to live, 
do they really need to know that?

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I mean, how important is it for a doctor 
to tell you you have 5 months to live?

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From my point of view, I don't think it's 
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If you have some suggestion about what 
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so somehow the way people...

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bring this kind of energy, there's a sense
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compassion, but maybe it feels like 
a lack of compassion and attention

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because there's so much time pressure
of so many patients he needs to see

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So, the point is, when somebody labels
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or "now I am this," I think it's terrible
for sure.

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So how you don't do that? Again, 
You have to try to be open.

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If you're not identifying with being 
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why do you have to identify with being
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You're sick maybe, but you don't have to 
identify with that.

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You know, last moment of breath for a woman,

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you can live with full sense of joy, 
no matter how sick you are

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or how much pain you have, that awareness,
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it doesn't take away. But again, the point
is how we can feel confidence

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to know that is the case. To even attempt
to try,

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that have glimpse of experience. 


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It's true, and people do have those trusts
in themselves to not be influenced

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by those labels. For sure it's a challenge

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The question is practice.

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Angel from Paris, Texas is asking, 
"Can we access emptiness through

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the experience of the boundless space?"

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Well, I mean, the word emptiness in
Buddhism is used a lot.

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And sometimes in the West I think that 
people... When we were in the

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monastery growing up for 15-30 years, 


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we were studying about emptiness, 
we never felt emptiness was something

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wrong, that there's something wrong with
emptiness, but here,

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when we use the word emptiness, it's 
like, "Oh.." So it doesn't look so good.

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[laughs]

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So, in a way the word emptiness, the word 
emptiness and fulness no differences.

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Because in order to be full, it has to be
empty. If it is not empty, then it

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cannot be full of the right things.

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So, we were talking about finishing our 
5 day retreat,

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And one of the things we were talking, 
is that there's a concept in tradition

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the great perfection tradition, 
that means that everything

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is spontaneously perfected. It basically 
means that everything is perfected

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in us. So for example, that means joy, 
it's not going to hinder itself

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in light and quality.

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Let's go down to one simple quality like 
joy and happiness that we all know

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about it, right? So, joy, is it perfected 
in us?

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Yes. The only way you're going to 
truly experience your true joy -

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true joy means joy of being -

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is to experience yourself clear from who
you are NOT.

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Probably right now, the way you feel 
who you are is occupying

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so much of space, that it's not 
allowing you to feel who you are.

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Therefore, probably you don't have 
so much of joy,

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or joy of that being. But you maybe do 
have some joy of becoming, having,

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of being something which is not
necessarily who you are, but it's being

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better than who you think you can be.

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It's still in your mind. Or, "I'm better
because I just finished a project!"

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So finishing a project is better than 
someone who hasn't finished the project.

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Right? So, I'm happy.

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Today is a Friday afternoon so I'm happy, 
so Monday I will be sad.

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So, all those conditions you create
to yourself are simply a condition.

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Through that you can have little joys, but
true sense of joy is joy of being.

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So what do you need to have joy of being?

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You don't need to have anything to have
a joy of being, you simply must be aware.

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If you simply look this very moment, 
close your eyes, feel the stillness

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in your body, draw attention inward, do 
you feel the joy?

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Of course you feel the joy!

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It's there.

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Especially when you're open to it. 
The power of openness.

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When you're open to yourself, you
feel that openness in you.

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In that openness, everything is perfected.
That means joy is perfected

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Can you be aware? Yes, if you're trying 
to be aware, it's there.

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That means it's perfected there. 
Is that joy equally valuable then

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to possessing a new car? Far better.

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I guarantee far better.

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Do you trust that? For sure we will 
not trust that much.

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[laughs] I want to have that joy but also 
want the joy of a new car!

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But at some point you need to have 
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better. This is better than the car.

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That confidence you got to have one day. 
One day, we have to look for

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that confidence. When that 
confidence comes, it's life changing.

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So basically the question about emptiness,
it's basically a fulness.

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It's a perfection that's spontaneously
perfected.

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What kind of perfected? All the qualities
of perfection like joy.

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In order to feel that joy, one has to feel
that empty or clear or open

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otherwise that joy of being is hard
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For example, in that space, talking 
about the loneliness.

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In that space, if you're open to it 
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you feel one important quality. You feel
connectedness.

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Because you are connected to that essence
of mind, to that openness in yourself.

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You are connected to yourself.

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When you feel that connection to yourself,
you feel that connectedness.

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When you feel that, you don't feel 
very lonely.

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But when you don't feel connectedness 
yourself, you're seeking a connection

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from elsewhere that's not inside yourself.

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Therefore, elsewhere means all the 
familiar places when you're out in

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the country where you don't know people, 
then you feel disconnected.

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You'll feel very lonely.

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Loneliness is a magic experience, same as 
connectedness.

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You can be middle of the family, 
you can live with somebody,

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but for a lifetime you'll feel 
disconnected!

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Or you could be alone and connected 
with everybody!

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The way you look, the way you experience
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has nothing to do with your 
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That's the beauty. The true realization 
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circumstances. I think that's beautiful
news. Very good news.

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Has nothing to do with anybody,
therefore you have a chance.

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If we have to fix the world to make you 
happy, forget about it.

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[laughs]

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If every family member has to agree with
you for you to be happy, forget about it.

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First, probably, it's never possible that 
every family member will agree with you.

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Second, if it's possible, the day they 
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you'll disagree with them.

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[laughs]

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Yeah.

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[questioner:] I just wanted to share 
what Susan in Vietnam said.

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She says, "Thank you. I do feel connected 
now. My life and meditation is very rich.

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I guess I'm just missing you all. 
Thank you."

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And then, later, as you were talking, 
she says, "Perfect medicine this morning!

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This is so great! Love to all."

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And then, just to mention, in Monterrey, 
Mexico, there are 12 people in the cafe

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there I believe. I don't know if this is a
little off point, but often what they ask

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is "where can we get further information
about walking meditation?"

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But anyways, I just wanted you to know
that they are there.

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Thank you. I think we've finished, so 
thank you.