0:00:01.027,0:00:02.677 ...Right? Be aware of that. 0:00:04.747,0:00:06.317 So when you're doing it, 0:00:07.116,0:00:08.766 when you're not conscious about it, 0:00:08.766,0:00:10.796 what you're doing is you're grasping it. 0:00:11.532,0:00:14.902 Your deep insides are saying, [br]"I hate this." 0:00:16.027,0:00:19.187 Very quietly, but "I hate." 0:00:19.187,0:00:21.817 But if you're conscious of it, [br]in that moment, 0:00:21.817,0:00:24.147 you look at a famous person, 0:00:24.147,0:00:27.217 you look at them from a place [br]of openness. 0:00:31.754,0:00:35.754 You have to look at the image, 0:00:35.754,0:00:39.214 because the image is where you're storing [br]that information and emotion. 0:00:39.214,0:00:42.295 You look, but you're trying to look [br]from a different place 0:00:42.310,0:00:47.410 You're reprogramming it[br]you're restructuring it. 0:00:48.340,0:00:52.340 You are healing the relationship. 0:00:52.340,0:00:55.410 So if you look with that openness [br]to that same image, 0:00:55.410,0:00:57.990 At some point that image will [br]have different meaning for you. 0:00:58.003,0:01:00.223 It will not carry the same meaning. 0:01:01.353,0:01:04.863 If you look at it in your own body, 0:01:04.863,0:01:08.203 if you look at it in your health, [br]probably the same thing 0:01:09.996,0:01:15.576 You know, wherever the cells are in [br]your body 0:01:15.599,0:01:22.739 producing a kind of disease, [br]like a cancerous cell, 0:01:23.315,0:01:35.585 if you look at that, if you're being [br]aware of that in your body 0:01:35.585,0:01:39.985 aware of yourself, the whole aspect of [br]yourself, 0:01:39.985,0:01:46.995 it will begin to give different [br]information to the rest of your body. 0:01:46.995,0:01:53.092 And therefore, that information [br]helps begin to restructure 0:01:53.107,0:01:57.107 your biological conditions. 0:01:57.299,0:02:02.849 It is what we believe, how to understand it's going to happen to the body. 0:02:06.270,0:02:10.270 Reproduction of cells, like cancerous [br]cells, the same principle. 0:02:13.525,0:02:19.265 That's how the cancerous cell knows how [br]to reproduce the cancerous cell. 0:02:19.265,0:02:23.265 It will do wonderful thing if it [br]forgets one day. 0:02:24.454,0:02:28.454 And it's producing some new cell. 0:02:28.682,0:02:32.682 Probably that's what happens [br]if the deep pattern of identity 0:02:32.690,0:02:34.950 it shifts something inside you 0:02:34.994,0:02:38.234 It shifts what it brings in the body. 0:02:41.898,0:02:44.358 So the principle here is 0:02:46.681,0:02:54.421 the power of openness and awareness [br]is able to change things 0:02:54.446,0:02:58.525 in our body, able to change the way [br]we identify ourselves, 0:02:58.525,0:03:01.145 it's able to change the way we relate [br]to the world, 0:03:01.145,0:03:03.595 it's able to change everything. 0:03:03.602,0:03:06.372 That's why it's called vision, it's able to [br]cut those things. 0:03:10.496,0:03:14.496 So that's a bit of explanation. 0:03:15.751,0:03:19.751 Any questions? 0:03:22.768,0:03:41.058 I'm happy to see that many European [br]people are staying up really late. 0:03:41.058,0:03:45.058 They are participating with us. 0:03:46.997,0:03:50.997 So any questions? 0:03:55.372,0:04:07.462 Do you think that in openness, there's a [br]possibility to maintain curiosity? 0:04:09.212,0:04:22.292 Curiosity? Yeah, and there is some degree[br]of curiosity in ourselves. 0:04:24.864,0:04:31.814 And there's also curiosity on some [br]survival level, you know 0:04:31.814,0:04:34.734 I'm curious to know what I need, and [br]so on. 0:04:38.085,0:04:41.255 Curiosity has a lot of playfulness, 0:04:41.255,0:04:43.275 and you cannot have playfulness 0:04:43.275,0:04:44.715 if you're not open to it. 0:04:46.060,0:04:49.500 What we use, what we say, [br]we are serious. 0:04:49.502,0:04:53.142 That's what happens in a relationship, [br]when people are very serious 0:04:53.142,0:04:55.732 in a relationship, that is the beginning [br]of divorce. 0:04:55.929,0:04:58.759 [laughs] 0:04:58.791,0:05:03.151 They are curious about each other? Yes. [br]Too curious about each other. 0:05:03.166,0:05:06.966 They are not that curious, they are very [br]open to each other, 0:05:12.975,0:05:16.975 that doesn't mean [br]loyalty and things like that. 0:05:18.042,0:05:20.542 There's some sort of sense of openness 0:05:20.549,0:05:21.879 and that brings a lot of playfulness. 0:05:22.983,0:05:30.383 I was in a place in a country[br]where people are usually serious, 0:05:30.421,0:05:33.391 and I was making a little joke, saying, 0:05:33.431,0:05:36.481 "How are you going to be a little more [br]playful here?" 0:05:36.511,0:05:38.971 So how are you going to be a little [br]more playful? Of course, 0:05:38.995,0:05:44.575 first thing, you kind of have to go [br]inside yourself, wherever this 0:05:44.648,0:05:53.178 seriousness is stuck. You have to go [br]to that place inside and loosen that up. 0:05:53.193,0:05:56.643 You have to feel some confidence. 0:05:56.660,0:06:00.530 I think that confidence is clearly a key[br]to be playful. 0:06:02.066,0:06:06.066 So if you're confident that you can be a[br]bit more playful, if you're playful you 0:06:06.079,0:06:09.559 can have humor, and you can have [br]curiosity in a good way. 0:06:09.930,0:06:15.340 If whatever you're curious about is [br]not showing up, you're curious 0:06:15.382,0:06:18.002 why it's not showing up! 0:06:18.011,0:06:21.608 Rather than feeling pain that it's not [br]showing up. 0:06:21.608,0:06:23.488 You're open to every direction. 0:06:25.507,0:06:31.757 So yes, I don't think openness prevents [br]anything. 0:06:31.789,0:06:35.789 Openness makes life richer not poorer. 0:06:35.846,0:06:42.186 Openness is the source of knowledge, more[br]than the knowledge we conceptually know. 0:06:42.330,0:06:48.220 There was a study in Netherlands about these 0:06:48.220,0:06:55.270 executive people making big [br]decisions about a big company. 0:06:56.995,0:07:02.485 The research was based on, did they make a[br]better decision when they're taught alot? 0:07:02.504,0:07:05.934 Or did they make a better decision when [br]they didn't think much? 0:07:07.550,0:07:11.340 The conclusion was, they made a much [br]better decision when 0:07:11.361,0:07:14.591 they didn't think much. 0:07:14.591,0:07:16.731 So of course, people who think a lot, 0:07:16.736,0:07:18.736 they believe we have to think. 0:07:20.962,0:07:24.122 we have to think to not to think. 0:07:24.869,0:07:31.539 But, some sense of these practices call [br]for a direct path. 0:07:31.551,0:07:38.481 Direct path means you don't have [br]to think about it. 0:07:38.481,0:07:41.867 You can just be aware of it. 0:07:44.840,0:07:47.510 Any other questions? 0:07:51.291,0:07:56.471 We have a group of people in Brazil [br]who we've met with before, 0:07:56.518,0:08:02.948 they're asking, "Please, what do you mean [br]by the essence of sky?" 0:08:03.085,0:08:04.865 [laughs] 0:08:04.918,0:08:16.048 [he repeats the question.] 0:08:18.961,0:08:25.441 First, when I say essence, the sense [br]or meaning of essence is "the truth" 0:08:25.534,0:08:29.534 the truth of the sky, the truth of the [br]phenomena, the truth of the mind. 0:08:29.556,0:08:33.336 So in some sense, the essence of sky I [br]mean, the truth of the sky. 0:08:33.357,0:08:37.357 So what is the truth of the sky? 0:08:37.361,0:08:43.411 It's that boundlessness. When I'm gazing [br]the sky and I'm aware 0:08:43.508,0:08:49.918 of that boundlessness, because the sky[br]is boundless. 0:08:50.163,0:08:54.163 When I'm aware of that, it's something[br]deep. 0:08:54.200,0:08:56.790 Psychologically it does something to me [br]inside. 0:08:56.802,0:09:00.802 I feel that boundlessness. 0:09:00.871,0:09:06.821 But when I'm looking at the sky I have [br]to be aware that that's what I'm feeling. 0:09:06.861,0:09:10.861 That's what I'm seeing, that's what I'm[br]experiencing, that's what I'm aware of. 0:09:10.899,0:09:14.259 Very often people will not be aware[br]of it. 0:09:14.279,0:09:19.929 I gave one example where people were [br]doing a sky gazing practice in New Mexico. 0:09:20.066,0:09:26.486 Everybody was having this wonderful [br]experience! 0:09:27.236,0:09:34.336 But one guy was getting really agitated [br]about it. He looked around, 0:09:34.377,0:09:37.137 and it seemed like everyone seems [br]like they were having a good time. 0:09:37.160,0:09:40.080 He's wondering why they're having a good[br]time and he's looking up at the empty sky 0:09:40.134,0:09:44.134 And he said, "What am I supposed to see?" 0:09:44.635,0:09:45.745 [laughs] 0:09:45.750,0:09:48.910 Well, he's not seeing the essence of the [br]sky. 0:09:48.910,0:09:51.570 He's not seeing the boundlessness of [br]the sky. 0:09:51.570,0:09:57.360 He's expecting some stuff to show up [br]right in front of him, 0:09:57.393,0:10:01.393 what he would desire. 0:10:02.763,0:10:05.003 So that's what I mean. 0:10:05.018,0:10:09.018 I saw a cartoon in New York Times[br]one time, 0:10:09.068,0:10:20.118 there was this wall street person, [br]and he's in Tibet with all the 0:10:20.157,0:10:25.077 hiking shoes and all those things, and [br]really getting up in the mountain. 0:10:25.234,0:10:29.234 And on top of the mountain he sees [br]a clear vision of himself; 0:10:29.234,0:10:32.324 Not with the hiking shoes. He sees [br]himself with the suit and tie 0:10:32.349,0:10:36.349 and breathless with this pure vision. 0:10:37.240,0:10:45.080 So, no matter where you go, you might [br]see your impure visions 0:10:45.235,0:10:49.235 you're not even able to see what you're [br]seeing. 0:10:49.257,0:10:52.477 You're only seeing what you're wanting [br]to see. 0:10:53.003,0:10:55.153 Yeah. 0:10:55.436,0:10:58.656 [asking question] This is somewhat [br]related. 0:10:58.668,0:11:02.668 Kelly is in Vietnam right now, and she's[br]watching the broadcast. 0:11:02.721,0:11:07.491 She says, "Here in Vietnam I'm more [br]lonely than I was even in the dark retreat 0:11:07.501,0:11:10.551 Everything truly appears to be illusion. 0:11:10.691,0:11:15.601 How can I keep myself connected when[br]there are so few supports?" 0:11:17.149,0:11:24.269 It seems like she's in a place where she's[br]lacking support. 0:11:28.525,0:11:32.525 Sure. Well, you know, 0:11:33.719,0:11:40.819 the opportunity for you to be [br]completely open to the 0:11:41.170,0:11:44.070 lonely person in you. 0:11:44.083,0:11:48.653 So that basically means what we were [br]saying earlier when we said, 0:11:48.735,0:11:54.095 "It really hurts me. I really feel lonely,[br]I really feel lonely." 0:11:54.539,0:12:00.199 And probably that sense of loneliness, [br]probably everybody feels it. 0:12:00.199,0:12:05.559 At some times we have to go so [br]far away to feel it really strong. 0:12:05.959,0:12:09.959 So when you feel it really strong, [br]you have the opportunity to 0:12:09.988,0:12:11.568 to know that. 0:12:11.642,0:12:14.702 And to know that will be fully open [br]to that 0:12:15.280,0:12:21.600 and when you're fully open to that, [br]it will go away. 0:12:21.981,0:12:27.780 When it goes away, the voice saying, [br]"I'm lonely," and the energy 0:12:27.780,0:12:32.030 bringing a sense of loneliness, and the[br]one who's thinking, "I'm far away," 0:12:32.048,0:12:35.598 or "I'm thinking maybe to move away," 0:12:35.626,0:12:39.626 Out of all those voices and cards and the [br]way you relate to yourself, 0:12:39.626,0:12:42.856 all those somehow are like a cloud. 0:12:42.910,0:12:48.960 The way you let them go away is by being [br]fully aware and connect. 0:12:48.963,0:12:57.233 Connect with them, so it's like a loving [br]mother sending this love to this 0:12:57.264,0:13:05.104 napping child. So radiate the love and [br]attention with your open awareness 0:13:05.114,0:13:07.894 to that lonely experience in yourself. 0:13:07.942,0:13:13.382 That awareness, when you open to that, [br]it will help. 0:13:13.382,0:13:17.052 It will dissolve. And when it dissolves, [br] 0:13:17.052,0:13:20.202 you come to a place where you don't [br]feel that loneliness. 0:13:20.202,0:13:24.202 So you need to become familiar with that [br]place where you don't feel familiar. 0:13:24.217,0:13:27.107 The question is, how do you get to that [br]place where you can feel 0:13:27.130,0:13:34.410 "it's okay." So that's what I was saying [br]earlier that pain body. 0:13:34.424,0:13:37.374 The principle is the same. 0:13:38.164,0:13:44.154 And we all, right now with the internet, [br]you're not lonely, you know? 0:13:44.251,0:13:48.251 Everybody's together. Yes? 0:13:55.471,0:14:02.741 [questioner:] Could you comment on the [br]role of medical diagnosis 0:14:03.062,0:14:09.352 when one experiences certain aches [br]and pains? Does seeking that 0:14:09.546,0:14:16.106 diagnostic action from a Western medical [br]practitioner, is that a way of 0:14:16.130,0:14:23.710 staying attached to the story of the pain [br]rather than being with it 0:14:23.730,0:14:28.609 and allowing it to disappear? 0:14:29.839,0:14:34.328 Well I think that.... 0:14:40.288,0:14:49.847 Well, I think in the West, all the doctors[br]are trained to tell some sense of truth. 0:14:51.914,0:14:57.824 So people say, "Okay you only have five[br]months to live," or something like that. 0:14:58.031,0:15:03.761 So if somebody has 5 months to live, [br]do they really need to know that? 0:15:04.063,0:15:10.093 I mean, how important is it for a doctor [br]to tell you you have 5 months to live? 0:15:10.173,0:15:13.063 From my point of view, I don't think it's [br]that important. 0:15:13.063,0:15:16.183 If you have some suggestion about what [br]you can do to do something, 0:15:16.372,0:15:20.372 so somehow the way people... 0:15:25.563,0:15:34.663 bring this kind of energy, there's a sense[br]of harshness. Maybe not a lack of 0:15:34.666,0:15:39.866 compassion, but maybe it feels like [br]a lack of compassion and attention 0:15:39.878,0:15:43.878 because there's so much time pressure[br]of so many patients he needs to see 0:15:45.316,0:15:52.286 So, the point is, when somebody labels[br]themselves as something, 0:15:54.961,0:16:01.311 or "now I am this," I think it's terrible[br]for sure. 0:16:01.500,0:16:07.870 So how you don't do that? Again, [br]You have to try to be open. 0:16:08.029,0:16:11.189 If you're not identifying with being [br]something else, 0:16:11.229,0:16:13.929 why do you have to identify with being[br]sick? 0:16:13.929,0:16:17.929 You're sick maybe, but you don't have to [br]identify with that. 0:16:18.392,0:16:22.392 You know, last moment of breath for a woman, 0:16:23.317,0:16:29.167 you can live with full sense of joy, [br]no matter how sick you are 0:16:29.167,0:16:34.727 or how much pain you have, that awareness,[br]that joy, that openness, [br] 0:16:35.508,0:16:40.078 it doesn't take away. But again, the point[br]is how we can feel confidence 0:16:40.153,0:16:45.703 to know that is the case. To even attempt[br]to try, 0:16:45.754,0:16:49.754 that have glimpse of experience. [br] 0:16:50.503,0:16:56.063 It's true, and people do have those trusts[br]in themselves to not be influenced 0:16:56.107,0:17:02.107 by those labels. For sure it's a challenge 0:17:02.307,0:17:06.307 The question is practice. 0:17:17.167,0:17:23.237 Angel from Paris, Texas is asking, [br]"Can we access emptiness through 0:17:23.349,0:17:27.349 the experience of the boundless space?" 0:17:29.197,0:17:34.837 Well, I mean, the word emptiness in[br]Buddhism is used a lot. 0:17:35.888,0:17:39.888 And sometimes in the West I think that [br]people... When we were in the 0:17:39.888,0:17:42.858 monastery growing up for 15-30 years, [br] 0:17:42.863,0:17:44.993 we were studying about emptiness, [br]we never felt emptiness was something 0:17:44.993,0:17:47.123 wrong, that there's something wrong with[br]emptiness, but here, 0:17:47.123,0:17:52.423 when we use the word emptiness, it's [br]like, "Oh.." So it doesn't look so good. 0:17:52.519,0:17:55.139 [laughs] 0:17:55.152,0:18:01.762 So, in a way the word emptiness, the word [br]emptiness and fulness no differences. 0:18:03.200,0:18:09.540 Because in order to be full, it has to be[br]empty. If it is not empty, then it 0:18:09.608,0:18:13.118 cannot be full of the right things. 0:18:14.787,0:18:21.247 So, we were talking about finishing our [br]5 day retreat, 0:18:21.986,0:18:28.656 And one of the things we were talking, [br]is that there's a concept in tradition 0:18:29.107,0:18:33.827 the great perfection tradition, [br]that means that everything 0:18:33.845,0:18:38.795 is spontaneously perfected. It basically [br]means that everything is perfected 0:18:38.812,0:18:45.922 in us. So for example, that means joy, [br]it's not going to hinder itself 0:18:45.948,0:18:48.408 in light and quality. 0:18:48.408,0:18:52.408 Let's go down to one simple quality like [br]joy and happiness that we all know 0:18:52.427,0:18:56.427 about it, right? So, joy, is it perfected [br]in us? 0:18:57.284,0:19:02.894 Yes. The only way you're going to [br]truly experience your true joy - 0:19:02.995,0:19:06.995 true joy means joy of being - 0:19:07.021,0:19:14.971 is to experience yourself clear from who[br]you are NOT. 0:19:16.175,0:19:20.175 Probably right now, the way you feel [br]who you are is occupying 0:19:20.352,0:19:25.382 so much of space, that it's not [br]allowing you to feel who you are. 0:19:25.429,0:19:28.229 Therefore, probably you don't have [br]so much of joy, 0:19:28.256,0:19:36.556 or joy of that being. But you maybe do [br]have some joy of becoming, having, 0:19:36.599,0:19:41.449 of being something which is not[br]necessarily who you are, but it's being 0:19:41.497,0:19:43.827 better than who you think you can be. 0:19:43.836,0:19:49.026 It's still in your mind. Or, "I'm better[br]because I just finished a project!" 0:19:49.103,0:19:53.883 So finishing a project is better than [br]someone who hasn't finished the project. 0:19:53.900,0:19:55.560 Right? So, I'm happy. 0:19:55.835,0:20:01.115 Today is a Friday afternoon so I'm happy, [br]so Monday I will be sad. 0:20:01.228,0:20:07.218 So, all those conditions you create[br]to yourself are simply a condition. 0:20:07.261,0:20:12.591 Through that you can have little joys, but[br]true sense of joy is joy of being. 0:20:12.829,0:20:16.039 So what do you need to have joy of being? 0:20:16.045,0:20:19.055 You don't need to have anything to have[br]a joy of being, you simply must be aware. 0:20:19.055,0:20:25.575 If you simply look this very moment, [br]close your eyes, feel the stillness 0:20:25.575,0:20:29.575 in your body, draw attention inward, do [br]you feel the joy? 0:20:29.941,0:20:32.351 Of course you feel the joy! 0:20:36.913,0:20:38.983 It's there. 0:20:40.612,0:20:46.212 Especially when you're open to it. [br]The power of openness. 0:20:46.220,0:20:51.210 When you're open to yourself, you[br]feel that openness in you. 0:20:51.284,0:20:56.714 In that openness, everything is perfected.[br]That means joy is perfected 0:20:57.963,0:21:03.483 Can you be aware? Yes, if you're trying [br]to be aware, it's there. 0:21:03.562,0:21:07.562 That means it's perfected there. [br]Is that joy equally valuable then 0:21:07.585,0:21:10.225 to possessing a new car? Far better. 0:21:10.235,0:21:12.605 I guarantee far better. 0:21:12.645,0:21:15.575 Do you trust that? For sure we will [br]not trust that much. 0:21:15.834,0:21:21.054 [laughs] I want to have that joy but also [br]want the joy of a new car! 0:21:21.924,0:21:27.074 But at some point you need to have [br]confidence enough to know that it's truly 0:21:27.157,0:21:29.857 better. This is better than the car. 0:21:29.860,0:21:33.280 That confidence you got to have one day. [br]One day, we have to look for 0:21:33.280,0:21:39.140 that confidence. When that [br]confidence comes, it's life changing. 0:21:40.122,0:21:48.132 So basically the question about emptiness,[br]it's basically a fulness. 0:21:49.125,0:21:52.285 It's a perfection that's spontaneously[br]perfected. 0:21:52.285,0:21:56.285 What kind of perfected? All the qualities[br]of perfection like joy. 0:21:56.521,0:22:02.091 In order to feel that joy, one has to feel[br]that empty or clear or open 0:22:02.115,0:22:06.115 otherwise that joy of being is hard[br]to feel. 0:22:09.620,0:22:13.620 For example, in that space, talking [br]about the loneliness. 0:22:13.636,0:22:19.046 In that space, if you're open to it [br]and look inside there, 0:22:19.091,0:22:26.321 you feel one important quality. You feel[br]connectedness. 0:22:26.321,0:22:35.530 Because you are connected to that essence[br]of mind, to that openness in yourself. 0:22:35.558,0:22:39.138 You are connected to yourself. 0:22:39.152,0:22:44.082 When you feel that connection to yourself,[br]you feel that connectedness. 0:22:44.129,0:22:47.679 When you feel that, you don't feel [br]very lonely. 0:22:47.709,0:22:52.379 But when you don't feel connectedness [br]yourself, you're seeking a connection 0:22:52.489,0:22:56.489 from elsewhere that's not inside yourself. 0:22:56.823,0:23:00.823 Therefore, elsewhere means all the [br]familiar places when you're out in 0:23:01.080,0:23:05.780 the country where you don't know people, [br]then you feel disconnected. 0:23:05.784,0:23:08.154 You'll feel very lonely. 0:23:10.365,0:23:15.185 Loneliness is a magic experience, same as [br]connectedness. 0:23:15.221,0:23:19.861 You can be middle of the family, [br]you can live with somebody, 0:23:19.886,0:23:22.636 but for a lifetime you'll feel [br]disconnected! 0:23:22.636,0:23:26.636 Or you could be alone and connected [br]with everybody! 0:23:27.115,0:23:30.065 The way you look, the way you experience[br]the world 0:23:30.068,0:23:32.768 has nothing to do with your [br]circumstances so much. 0:23:33.300,0:23:37.300 That's the beauty. The true realization [br]has nothing to do with the 0:23:37.319,0:23:42.149 circumstances. I think that's beautiful[br]news. Very good news. 0:23:42.170,0:23:46.170 Has nothing to do with anybody,[br]therefore you have a chance. 0:23:46.196,0:23:49.336 If we have to fix the world to make you [br]happy, forget about it. 0:23:49.747,0:23:51.407 [laughs] 0:23:51.407,0:23:57.977 If every family member has to agree with[br]you for you to be happy, forget about it. 0:23:58.074,0:24:02.924 First, probably, it's never possible that [br]every family member will agree with you. 0:24:02.998,0:24:06.318 Second, if it's possible, the day they [br]will agree with you, 0:24:06.318,0:24:08.058 you'll disagree with them. 0:24:08.578,0:24:10.008 [laughs] 0:24:10.375,0:24:12.455 Yeah. 0:24:14.911,0:24:18.911 [questioner:] I just wanted to share [br]what Susan in Vietnam said. 0:24:19.919,0:24:25.899 She says, "Thank you. I do feel connected [br]now. My life and meditation is very rich. 0:24:26.043,0:24:29.203 I guess I'm just missing you all. [br]Thank you." 0:24:29.381,0:24:35.531 And then, later, as you were talking, [br]she says, "Perfect medicine this morning! 0:24:35.568,0:24:38.068 This is so great! Love to all." 0:24:42.158,0:24:46.158 And then, just to mention, in Monterrey, [br]Mexico, there are 12 people in the cafe 0:24:46.161,0:24:55.131 there I believe. I don't know if this is a[br]little off point, but often what they ask 0:24:55.133,0:25:00.133 is "where can we get further information[br]about walking meditation?" 0:25:02.336,0:25:06.336 But anyways, I just wanted you to know[br]that they are there. 0:25:07.808,0:25:15.108 Thank you. I think we've finished, so [br]thank you.