1 00:00:00,119 --> 00:00:04,094 [This talk contains graphic content. Viewer discretion is advised.] 2 00:00:04,278 --> 00:00:07,222 This is Nina Rodríguez's Facebook profile. 3 00:00:09,072 --> 00:00:11,261 This person had three different profiles 4 00:00:11,286 --> 00:00:15,732 and 890 kids between 8 and 13 years old among her friends list. 5 00:00:18,827 --> 00:00:22,530 These are excerpts of a chat with one of those kids. 6 00:00:25,385 --> 00:00:27,501 This is an exact copy of the chat. 7 00:00:28,650 --> 00:00:30,332 It's part of the case file. 8 00:00:32,886 --> 00:00:36,342 This kid started sending private photos 9 00:00:36,366 --> 00:00:38,639 until his family realized what was going on. 10 00:00:39,871 --> 00:00:44,301 The police report and subsequent investigation lead them to a house. 11 00:00:45,409 --> 00:00:47,622 This was the girl's bedroom. 12 00:00:50,451 --> 00:00:55,458 Nina Rodríguez was actually a 24-year-old man 13 00:00:55,482 --> 00:00:58,222 that used to do this with lots of kids. 14 00:01:01,471 --> 00:01:03,691 Micaela Ortega was 12 years old 15 00:01:04,697 --> 00:01:07,472 when she went to meet her new Facebook friend, 16 00:01:07,496 --> 00:01:08,876 also 12. 17 00:01:09,667 --> 00:01:12,084 "Rochi de River," was her name. 18 00:01:14,142 --> 00:01:17,652 She actually met Jonathan Luna, who was 26 years old. 19 00:01:18,611 --> 00:01:20,261 When they finally caught him, 20 00:01:20,285 --> 00:01:24,599 he confessed that he killed the girl because she refused to have sex with him. 21 00:01:26,696 --> 00:01:29,682 He had four Facebook profiles 22 00:01:29,706 --> 00:01:33,076 and 1,700 women on his contact list; 23 00:01:35,003 --> 00:01:37,496 90 percent of them were under 13 years old. 24 00:01:40,529 --> 00:01:42,798 These are two different cases of "grooming": 25 00:01:44,195 --> 00:01:47,495 an adult contacts a kid through the internet, 26 00:01:48,263 --> 00:01:52,607 and through manipulation or lying, leads that kid into sexual territory -- 27 00:01:52,631 --> 00:01:54,502 from talking about sex 28 00:01:54,526 --> 00:01:56,710 to sharing private photos, 29 00:01:56,734 --> 00:01:58,951 recording the kid using a webcam 30 00:01:58,975 --> 00:02:00,753 or arranging an in-person meeting. 31 00:02:02,527 --> 00:02:03,867 This is grooming. 32 00:02:04,589 --> 00:02:07,159 This is happening, and it's on the rise. 33 00:02:09,727 --> 00:02:12,183 The question is: What are we going to do? 34 00:02:12,207 --> 00:02:15,037 Because, in the meantime, kids are alone. 35 00:02:16,724 --> 00:02:18,740 They finish dinner, go to their rooms, 36 00:02:18,764 --> 00:02:20,054 close the door, 37 00:02:20,964 --> 00:02:23,387 get on their computer, their cell phones, 38 00:02:23,411 --> 00:02:25,621 and get into a bar, 39 00:02:26,704 --> 00:02:27,864 into a club. 40 00:02:30,284 --> 00:02:32,974 Think for one second about what I've just said: 41 00:02:34,752 --> 00:02:37,600 they're in a place full of strangers 42 00:02:37,624 --> 00:02:39,673 in an uninhibited environment. 43 00:02:41,853 --> 00:02:43,943 The internet broke physical boundaries. 44 00:02:44,744 --> 00:02:48,775 When we're alone in our bedroom and we go online, 45 00:02:48,799 --> 00:02:50,376 we're not really alone. 46 00:02:53,460 --> 00:02:58,140 There are at least two reasons why we're not taking care of this, 47 00:02:58,164 --> 00:02:59,866 or at least not in the right way. 48 00:03:01,779 --> 00:03:06,186 First, we're sure that everything that happens online is "virtual." 49 00:03:06,210 --> 00:03:09,233 In fact, we call it "the virtual world." 50 00:03:11,019 --> 00:03:12,829 If you look it up in the dictionary, 51 00:03:13,816 --> 00:03:16,291 something virtual is something that seems to exist 52 00:03:16,315 --> 00:03:17,594 but is not real. 53 00:03:19,028 --> 00:03:23,200 And we use that word to talk about the internet: 54 00:03:23,224 --> 00:03:24,624 something not real. 55 00:03:26,867 --> 00:03:29,250 And that's the problem with grooming. 56 00:03:29,274 --> 00:03:30,674 It is real. 57 00:03:31,714 --> 00:03:37,528 Degenerate, perverted adults use the internet to abuse boys and girls 58 00:03:37,552 --> 00:03:39,637 and take advantage of, among other things, 59 00:03:39,661 --> 00:03:43,071 the fact that the kids and their parents think that what happens online 60 00:03:43,095 --> 00:03:44,657 doesn't actually happen. 61 00:03:47,631 --> 00:03:51,340 Several years ago, some colleagues and I founded an NGO 62 00:03:51,364 --> 00:03:53,308 called "Argentina Cibersegura," 63 00:03:53,332 --> 00:03:56,543 dedicated to raising awareness about online safety. 64 00:03:58,678 --> 00:04:02,879 In 2013, we attended meetings at the House of Legislature 65 00:04:02,903 --> 00:04:05,303 to discuss a law about grooming. 66 00:04:07,688 --> 00:04:09,963 I remember that a lot of people thought 67 00:04:09,987 --> 00:04:12,159 that grooming was strictly a precursor 68 00:04:12,183 --> 00:04:15,888 to arranging an in-person meeting with a kid to have sex with them. 69 00:04:18,247 --> 00:04:21,851 But they didn't think about what happened to the kids who were exposed 70 00:04:21,875 --> 00:04:24,933 by talking about sex with an adult without knowing it, 71 00:04:25,904 --> 00:04:29,650 or who shared intimate photos thinking only another kid would see them, 72 00:04:29,674 --> 00:04:30,824 or even worse, 73 00:04:31,887 --> 00:04:34,180 who had exposed themselves using their web cam. 74 00:04:34,875 --> 00:04:36,924 Nobody considered that rape. 75 00:04:39,227 --> 00:04:43,544 I'm sure lots of you find it odd to think one person can abuse another 76 00:04:43,568 --> 00:04:44,913 without physical contact. 77 00:04:45,742 --> 00:04:47,922 We're programmed to think that way. 78 00:04:49,183 --> 00:04:51,250 I know, because I used to think that way. 79 00:04:51,274 --> 00:04:53,574 I was just an IT security guy 80 00:04:55,348 --> 00:04:56,737 until this happened to me. 81 00:04:59,423 --> 00:05:01,063 At the end of 2011, 82 00:05:02,179 --> 00:05:04,718 in a little town in Buenos Aires Province, 83 00:05:04,742 --> 00:05:07,254 I heard about a case for the first time. 84 00:05:08,780 --> 00:05:10,210 After giving a talk, 85 00:05:11,288 --> 00:05:15,684 I met the parents of an 11-year-old girl who had been a victim of grooming. 86 00:05:18,114 --> 00:05:22,137 A man had manipulated her into masturbating in front of her web cam, 87 00:05:22,161 --> 00:05:23,601 and recorded it. 88 00:05:24,207 --> 00:05:27,166 And the video was on several websites. 89 00:05:28,981 --> 00:05:31,662 That day, her parents asked us, in tears, 90 00:05:31,686 --> 00:05:33,228 to tell them the magic formula 91 00:05:33,252 --> 00:05:35,817 for how to delete those videos from the internet. 92 00:05:38,036 --> 00:05:41,693 It broke my heart and changed me forever 93 00:05:41,717 --> 00:05:45,047 to be their last disappointment, telling them it was too late: 94 00:05:45,671 --> 00:05:48,217 once content is online, 95 00:05:48,241 --> 00:05:49,749 we've already lost control. 96 00:05:52,714 --> 00:05:54,801 Since that day, I think about that girl 97 00:05:57,110 --> 00:06:00,652 waking up in the morning, having breakfast with her family, 98 00:06:00,676 --> 00:06:02,093 who had seen the video, 99 00:06:03,211 --> 00:06:08,640 and then walking to school, meeting people that had seen her naked, 100 00:06:08,664 --> 00:06:12,954 arriving to school, playing with her friends, who had also seen her. 101 00:06:14,830 --> 00:06:16,197 That was her life. 102 00:06:17,502 --> 00:06:18,912 Exposed. 103 00:06:21,761 --> 00:06:23,981 Of course, nobody raped her body. 104 00:06:25,355 --> 00:06:27,607 But hadn't her sexuality been abused? 105 00:06:30,723 --> 00:06:34,546 We clearly use different standards to measure physical and digital things. 106 00:06:37,363 --> 00:06:39,299 And we get angry at social networks 107 00:06:39,323 --> 00:06:43,313 because being angry with ourselves is more painful and more true. 108 00:06:44,775 --> 00:06:46,813 And this brings us to the second reason why 109 00:06:46,837 --> 00:06:49,370 we aren't paying proper attention to this issue. 110 00:06:50,180 --> 00:06:54,669 We're convinced that kids don't need our help, 111 00:06:54,693 --> 00:06:56,951 that they "know everything" about technology. 112 00:07:00,092 --> 00:07:01,382 When I was a kid, 113 00:07:02,590 --> 00:07:05,746 at one point, my parents started letting me walk to school alone. 114 00:07:07,329 --> 00:07:11,209 After years of taking me by the hand and walking me to school, 115 00:07:12,476 --> 00:07:14,062 one day they sat me down, 116 00:07:14,086 --> 00:07:15,929 gave me the house keys 117 00:07:15,953 --> 00:07:19,940 and said, "Be very careful with these; don't give them to anyone, 118 00:07:19,964 --> 00:07:24,119 take the route we showed you, be at home at the time we said, 119 00:07:24,143 --> 00:07:26,882 cross at the corner, and look both ways before you cross, 120 00:07:26,906 --> 00:07:30,694 and no matter what, don't talk to strangers." 121 00:07:32,967 --> 00:07:34,997 I knew everything about walking, 122 00:07:35,888 --> 00:07:39,621 and yet, there was a responsible adult there taking care of me. 123 00:07:40,886 --> 00:07:42,862 Knowing how to do something is one thing, 124 00:07:42,886 --> 00:07:45,218 knowing how to take care of yourself is another. 125 00:07:46,649 --> 00:07:48,537 Imagine this situation: 126 00:07:48,561 --> 00:07:51,125 I'm 10 or 11 years old, I wake up in the morning, 127 00:07:51,149 --> 00:07:53,265 my parents toss me the keys and say, 128 00:07:53,289 --> 00:07:55,422 "Seba, now you can walk to school alone." 129 00:07:56,487 --> 00:07:58,687 And when I come back late, 130 00:07:59,535 --> 00:08:02,952 they say, "No, you need to be home at the time we said." 131 00:08:04,826 --> 00:08:06,690 And two weeks later, 132 00:08:06,714 --> 00:08:09,823 when it comes up, they say, "You know what? 133 00:08:09,847 --> 00:08:13,193 You have to cross at the corner, and look both ways before crossing." 134 00:08:14,815 --> 00:08:16,488 And two years later, they say, 135 00:08:17,481 --> 00:08:20,741 "And also, don't talk to strangers." 136 00:08:22,866 --> 00:08:24,604 It sounds absurd, right? 137 00:08:26,312 --> 00:08:29,202 We have the same absurd behavior in relation to technology. 138 00:08:30,129 --> 00:08:32,272 We give kids total access 139 00:08:32,296 --> 00:08:35,136 and we see if one day, sooner or later, 140 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,327 they learn how to take care of themselves. 141 00:08:38,942 --> 00:08:40,946 Knowing how to do something is one thing, 142 00:08:40,970 --> 00:08:43,407 knowing how to take care of yourself is another. 143 00:08:44,703 --> 00:08:47,280 Along those same lines, when we talk to parents, 144 00:08:47,304 --> 00:08:52,799 they often say they don't care about technology and social networks. 145 00:08:54,202 --> 00:08:57,272 I always rejoin that by asking if they care about their kids. 146 00:08:57,976 --> 00:09:00,440 As adults, being interested or not in technology 147 00:09:00,464 --> 00:09:03,286 is the same as being interested or not in our kids. 148 00:09:03,310 --> 00:09:05,245 The internet is part of their lives. 149 00:09:06,700 --> 00:09:11,766 Technology forces us to rethink the relationship between adults and kids. 150 00:09:12,984 --> 00:09:16,184 Education was always based on two main concepts: 151 00:09:16,208 --> 00:09:18,948 experience and knowledge. 152 00:09:20,687 --> 00:09:26,425 How do we teach our kids to be safe online when we don't have either? 153 00:09:28,055 --> 00:09:30,794 Nowadays, we adults have to guide our children 154 00:09:30,818 --> 00:09:33,276 through what is often for us unfamiliar territory -- 155 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:35,319 territory much more inviting for them. 156 00:09:37,501 --> 00:09:40,569 It's impossible to find an answer 157 00:09:40,593 --> 00:09:43,641 without doing new things -- things that make us uncomfortable, 158 00:09:43,665 --> 00:09:45,151 things we're not used to. 159 00:09:47,581 --> 00:09:50,272 A lot of you may think it's easy for me, 160 00:09:50,296 --> 00:09:52,043 because I'm relatively young. 161 00:09:52,681 --> 00:09:54,161 And it used to be that way. 162 00:09:55,342 --> 00:09:56,502 Used to. 163 00:09:58,249 --> 00:10:00,115 Until last year, 164 00:10:00,139 --> 00:10:04,261 when I felt the weight of my age on my shoulders 165 00:10:05,422 --> 00:10:10,056 the first time I opened Snapchat. 166 00:10:10,390 --> 00:10:13,049 (Laughter) 167 00:10:14,510 --> 00:10:17,175 (Applause) 168 00:10:19,585 --> 00:10:22,425 I didn't understand a thing! 169 00:10:23,321 --> 00:10:25,649 I found it unnecessary, 170 00:10:25,673 --> 00:10:28,815 useless, hard to understand; 171 00:10:28,839 --> 00:10:30,727 it looked like a camera! 172 00:10:30,751 --> 00:10:32,427 It didn't have menu options! 173 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,448 It was the first time I felt the gap 174 00:10:37,472 --> 00:10:40,064 that sometimes exists between kids and adults. 175 00:10:41,742 --> 00:10:45,002 But it was also an opportunity to do the right thing, 176 00:10:45,026 --> 00:10:47,376 to leave my comfort zone, to force myself. 177 00:10:48,948 --> 00:10:52,259 I never thought I'd ever use Snapchat, 178 00:10:52,283 --> 00:10:56,885 but then I asked my teenage cousin to show me how to use it. 179 00:10:58,349 --> 00:11:00,179 I also asked why she used it. 180 00:11:00,788 --> 00:11:02,220 What was fun about it? 181 00:11:03,738 --> 00:11:05,298 We had a really nice talk. 182 00:11:05,929 --> 00:11:08,382 She showed me her Snapchat, she told me things, 183 00:11:08,406 --> 00:11:10,817 we got closer, we laughed. 184 00:11:12,949 --> 00:11:14,329 Today, I use it. 185 00:11:14,675 --> 00:11:16,175 (Laughter) 186 00:11:16,788 --> 00:11:18,413 I don't know if I do it right, 187 00:11:18,437 --> 00:11:22,808 but the most important thing is that I know it and I understand it. 188 00:11:24,406 --> 00:11:28,543 The key was to overcome the initial shock 189 00:11:28,567 --> 00:11:30,417 and do something new. 190 00:11:31,940 --> 00:11:33,420 Something new. 191 00:11:33,444 --> 00:11:36,364 Today, we have the chance to create new conversations. 192 00:11:37,312 --> 00:11:39,628 What's the last app you downloaded? 193 00:11:39,652 --> 00:11:42,512 Which social network do you use to contact your friends? 194 00:11:43,074 --> 00:11:45,264 What kind of information do you share? 195 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,636 Have you ever been approached by strangers? 196 00:11:50,862 --> 00:11:53,998 Could we have these conversations between kids and adults? 197 00:11:55,536 --> 00:11:58,219 We have to force ourselves to do it. All of us. 198 00:11:58,243 --> 00:12:02,813 Today, lots of kids are listening to us. 199 00:12:04,707 --> 00:12:07,440 Sometimes when we go to schools to give our talks, 200 00:12:07,464 --> 00:12:09,114 or through social networks, 201 00:12:09,138 --> 00:12:11,468 kids ask or tell us things 202 00:12:11,492 --> 00:12:15,789 they haven't told their parents or their teachers. 203 00:12:15,813 --> 00:12:17,893 They tell us -- they don't even know us. 204 00:12:20,966 --> 00:12:22,906 Those kids need to know 205 00:12:24,135 --> 00:12:26,455 what the risks of being online are, 206 00:12:28,174 --> 00:12:29,680 how to take care of themselves, 207 00:12:29,704 --> 00:12:33,271 but also that, fundamentally, as with almost everything else, 208 00:12:33,295 --> 00:12:36,300 kids can learn this from any adult. 209 00:12:39,558 --> 00:12:43,444 Online safety needs to be a conversation topic 210 00:12:43,468 --> 00:12:46,069 in every house and every classroom in the country. 211 00:12:47,863 --> 00:12:52,128 We did a survey this year that showed that 15 percent of schools said 212 00:12:52,152 --> 00:12:54,443 they knew of cases of grooming in their school. 213 00:12:55,386 --> 00:12:56,797 And this number is growing. 214 00:12:59,830 --> 00:13:03,291 Technology changed every aspect of our life, 215 00:13:03,315 --> 00:13:06,056 including the risks we face 216 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,482 and how we take care of ourselves. 217 00:13:08,506 --> 00:13:11,876 Grooming shows us this in the most painful way: 218 00:13:13,088 --> 00:13:14,537 by involving our kids. 219 00:13:16,787 --> 00:13:18,821 Are we going to do something to avoid this? 220 00:13:20,202 --> 00:13:23,641 The solution starts with something as easy as: 221 00:13:24,419 --> 00:13:25,684 talking about it. 222 00:13:25,708 --> 00:13:26,866 Thank you. 223 00:13:26,890 --> 00:13:32,629 (Applause)