1 00:00:12,977 --> 00:00:14,547 One summer evening, 2 00:00:15,090 --> 00:00:19,640 my eighteen-year-old son Jimmy said he wanted to talk. 3 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:26,088 So, after my wife Joan and I got his three much younger siblings tucked in 4 00:00:26,088 --> 00:00:28,407 and read their bedtime stories, 5 00:00:29,047 --> 00:00:31,827 Joan and I sat down in our bedroom. 6 00:00:32,430 --> 00:00:37,002 Jimmy came in and closed the door behind him. 7 00:00:38,349 --> 00:00:41,931 And he sat down on a chair across from the bed where we were sitting, 8 00:00:41,931 --> 00:00:44,890 and says, "Mom and Dad, I have something important to tell you, 9 00:00:44,890 --> 00:00:49,775 and it's not a problem, it's not a bad thing, it's just different." 10 00:00:50,158 --> 00:00:52,026 We said, "Okay." 11 00:00:53,450 --> 00:00:59,415 And he looked at us in earnest, and he said, "I'm gay." 12 00:01:01,292 --> 00:01:04,674 So, after a few seconds of deafening silence, 13 00:01:05,484 --> 00:01:11,177 Joan takes a deep breath and says, "Jimmy, we will love whoever you love." 14 00:01:13,382 --> 00:01:16,024 That was about 12 years ago when he came out to us, 15 00:01:16,024 --> 00:01:18,405 and I'll have to admit that, at the time, 16 00:01:18,405 --> 00:01:21,445 Joan and I did think this could be a problem, 17 00:01:21,445 --> 00:01:23,973 for his safety, even. 18 00:01:23,973 --> 00:01:28,494 And as his father, I had this feeling that, somehow, I had failed him, 19 00:01:28,494 --> 00:01:33,537 and maybe, because of that, he wouldn't have a chance to have kids of his own. 20 00:01:34,344 --> 00:01:36,315 So, I'm a cardiologist, 21 00:01:36,315 --> 00:01:41,764 and I like to imagine the world through the eyes of a hunter-gatherer ancestor 22 00:01:41,764 --> 00:01:44,743 for clues about how to thrive in the modern world, 23 00:01:45,415 --> 00:01:48,456 but, viewed in the light of evolution, 24 00:01:48,456 --> 00:01:52,245 homosexuality seems to be a real self-defeating non-productive strategy. 25 00:01:52,245 --> 00:01:55,814 I mean, gays have 80% fewer kids than heterosexuals. 26 00:01:55,814 --> 00:01:58,734 This is a trait that ought to go extinct in a few generations, 27 00:01:58,734 --> 00:02:01,217 but down through recorded history, 28 00:02:01,217 --> 00:02:04,495 in every culture, and many animal species as well, 29 00:02:04,495 --> 00:02:08,476 homosexuality's been a small, but distinct subgroup. 30 00:02:08,946 --> 00:02:10,746 If this were a genetic error, 31 00:02:10,746 --> 00:02:14,822 natural selection should have long ago called this from the gene pool. 32 00:02:15,375 --> 00:02:18,446 So, while I was pondering this, 33 00:02:18,446 --> 00:02:23,226 this paradox about the natural origins of homosexuality, 34 00:02:24,076 --> 00:02:26,092 our babies grew up. 35 00:02:26,855 --> 00:02:30,507 Jimmy has three younger siblings who adore him. 36 00:02:30,507 --> 00:02:34,497 He has this magnetism and this charming wit 37 00:02:34,497 --> 00:02:37,106 that helps them feel happy and relaxed. 38 00:02:37,106 --> 00:02:39,848 And one day, while contemplating this "Jimmy effect," 39 00:02:39,848 --> 00:02:43,788 it suddenly dawned on me: homosexuality is not so much about sex; 40 00:02:43,788 --> 00:02:48,485 it's really more about survival, the family's survival. 41 00:02:48,866 --> 00:02:52,544 So us, Homo sapiens, we are among the most social species on Earth. 42 00:02:52,544 --> 00:02:57,708 For us, it's not just a kill-or-be-killed struggle for existence. 43 00:02:57,708 --> 00:03:01,508 It's a snuggle for existence, you know. 44 00:03:01,508 --> 00:03:04,421 An ability to love our family and bond with our group 45 00:03:04,421 --> 00:03:08,018 determines, in many cases, whether we survive or perish. 46 00:03:08,018 --> 00:03:10,029 So it's the survival of the fittest family, 47 00:03:10,029 --> 00:03:11,923 not the fittest individual. 48 00:03:12,594 --> 00:03:17,835 So, you share 50% of your DNA with your siblings. 49 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:21,243 Your nieces and nephews share 25% of your DNA. 50 00:03:21,243 --> 00:03:22,649 Frоm evolution's perspective, 51 00:03:22,649 --> 00:03:25,859 you have the same genetic success if you raise one child on your own 52 00:03:25,859 --> 00:03:28,517 or you enable a sibling to raise two children. 53 00:03:28,517 --> 00:03:30,575 Frоm evolution's perspective, 54 00:03:31,770 --> 00:03:34,763 this is all about cooperation and altruism. 55 00:03:34,763 --> 00:03:38,111 Homosexuality is genetically-programmed altruism. 56 00:03:38,111 --> 00:03:42,029 Gays are designed by nature to help us be kind to one another, 57 00:03:42,029 --> 00:03:44,237 like Ellen DeGeneres says. 58 00:03:44,237 --> 00:03:45,605 (Laughter) 59 00:03:46,098 --> 00:03:48,217 So, E. O. Wilson, 60 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,670 probably the greatest evolutionary biologist since Darwin himself, 61 00:03:52,670 --> 00:03:57,744 says homosexuality gives advantages to the group by specialized talents 62 00:03:57,744 --> 00:04:00,549 and unusual qualities of personality. 63 00:04:01,762 --> 00:04:06,019 So, a society that condemns homosexuality harms itself. 64 00:04:06,544 --> 00:04:10,563 So, what does professor Wilson mean by "unusual qualities of personality"? 65 00:04:10,563 --> 00:04:14,502 Well, let me tell you about our dear family friend Jenny. 66 00:04:14,502 --> 00:04:18,581 She is 35, single, straight. 67 00:04:18,581 --> 00:04:23,662 She was telling us she is looking for a man who's smart and funny, 68 00:04:23,662 --> 00:04:26,512 who's sensitive, who's a good listener. 69 00:04:26,512 --> 00:04:29,544 And she says she occasionally meets a guy like that, 70 00:04:29,544 --> 00:04:33,934 but she complains, "You know, he usually has a boyfriend already!" 71 00:04:33,934 --> 00:04:35,429 (Laughter) 72 00:04:35,429 --> 00:04:39,145 So, although people tend to obsess over what gays do or don't do in a bedroom, 73 00:04:39,145 --> 00:04:43,843 it's really this distinctive personality and a strong intellect 74 00:04:43,843 --> 00:04:48,065 that are more critical, from evolution's perspective. 75 00:04:48,654 --> 00:04:50,834 So, scientific studies do indeed show 76 00:04:50,834 --> 00:04:54,315 that people in the sexual minority tend to be intelligent, 77 00:04:54,315 --> 00:04:57,629 particularly when it comes to emotional intelligence. 78 00:04:58,909 --> 00:05:01,885 So, this study showed 79 00:05:03,405 --> 00:05:06,095 that boys and girls who scored in a very bright IQ range 80 00:05:06,095 --> 00:05:08,478 were twice as likely to be homosexual as adults 81 00:05:08,478 --> 00:05:11,880 as those children who scored in the low to average range. 82 00:05:12,288 --> 00:05:16,285 And, among gay males, on psychological testing, 83 00:05:17,485 --> 00:05:22,955 gay males tend to score higher in metrics of compassion and cooperation, 84 00:05:22,955 --> 00:05:25,952 and lower in metrics of hostility. 85 00:05:26,976 --> 00:05:32,408 So, if Michelangelo had been straight, 86 00:05:32,408 --> 00:05:35,066 he might have just wallpapered the Sistine Chapel. 87 00:05:35,066 --> 00:05:36,780 (Laughter) 88 00:05:37,757 --> 00:05:40,678 Songwriter Sam Austin says, 89 00:05:40,678 --> 00:05:42,566 "Homosexuality is God's way of ensuring 90 00:05:42,566 --> 00:05:45,402 the truly gifted aren't burdened with children." 91 00:05:45,402 --> 00:05:47,459 (Laughter) 92 00:05:50,737 --> 00:05:55,276 But today, in the US, about 2 out of every 25 people are in the sexual minority. 93 00:05:55,967 --> 00:05:58,588 Diversity is nature's secret weapon. 94 00:05:58,988 --> 00:06:03,190 If all males were gay, that would be a problem, 95 00:06:03,190 --> 00:06:07,191 but if all males were warriors, we'd always be at war. 96 00:06:07,759 --> 00:06:11,029 The recipe for a successful human culture 97 00:06:11,029 --> 00:06:14,629 is a synergy of many different ingredients. 98 00:06:14,629 --> 00:06:16,910 Homosexuality is like a catalyst 99 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:20,450 to help emotionally connect groups of people together. 100 00:06:21,030 --> 00:06:23,169 For heterosexuals, to disapprove of gays 101 00:06:23,169 --> 00:06:28,539 is kind of like the white flour in bread disapproving of the yeast. 102 00:06:31,791 --> 00:06:36,441 So, if your genome is your hardware, epigenetics is your software. 103 00:06:36,441 --> 00:06:40,770 You have many different DNA programs downloaded on your DNA, 104 00:06:40,770 --> 00:06:43,879 and epigenetics chooses from among these to determine 105 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:48,176 which version of you actually is the best fit for the environment. 106 00:06:48,624 --> 00:06:52,400 So, ants, you probably didn't know it, but are another highly social species 107 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,840 that have epigenetic mechanisms very similar to humans. 108 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:59,941 These two are identical twin sisters, huh? 109 00:07:01,241 --> 00:07:04,540 Even though their DNA sequences are exactly the same, 110 00:07:05,210 --> 00:07:07,531 this one, the worker, 111 00:07:07,531 --> 00:07:11,368 is a brainy little scurrier who goes out looking for food, 112 00:07:11,368 --> 00:07:13,621 whereas the one on the right, the soldier, 113 00:07:13,621 --> 00:07:17,162 is obviously a brawny one to fight off enemies. 114 00:07:18,008 --> 00:07:22,753 So, the queen ant epigenetically orchestrates this 115 00:07:22,753 --> 00:07:27,213 by placing different epigenetic tags on the developing ants. 116 00:07:27,213 --> 00:07:28,847 So - 117 00:07:30,625 --> 00:07:34,055 she places tags when the colony is under attack 118 00:07:34,055 --> 00:07:39,349 to uncoil the DNA and light up the genes to make the soldier, 119 00:07:39,349 --> 00:07:45,684 but when the colony is hungry, she puts different tags to uncoil the DNA 120 00:07:45,684 --> 00:07:50,819 and epigenetically create the conditions for the worker. 121 00:07:51,324 --> 00:07:55,684 So, in this way, the epigenetics - 122 00:07:55,684 --> 00:08:01,275 the dynamic power of epigenetics changes our genetic expression, 123 00:08:01,275 --> 00:08:05,235 so that we're born with traits that allow us and our families 124 00:08:05,235 --> 00:08:08,361 the best chance to succeed in the current conditions. 125 00:08:09,431 --> 00:08:13,661 So, you probably have gay genes in your DNA, 126 00:08:14,385 --> 00:08:18,766 but, unless they were turned on in your mother's womb, 127 00:08:18,766 --> 00:08:21,230 they remain coiled up and silent. 128 00:08:21,917 --> 00:08:25,487 A recent groundbreaking study from UCLA found 129 00:08:25,487 --> 00:08:28,766 that, by looking at a group of men, some gay, some straight, 130 00:08:28,766 --> 00:08:32,075 and looking at epigenetic tags in nine different sites, 131 00:08:32,075 --> 00:08:36,750 they could predict with 70% accuracy their sexual orientation. 132 00:08:37,568 --> 00:08:43,360 So, what conditions in the uterus turn on those gay genes? 133 00:08:43,907 --> 00:08:45,778 So, for a male, 134 00:08:46,528 --> 00:08:49,248 your chances of homosexuality increase in proportion 135 00:08:49,248 --> 00:08:53,786 to the number of previous baby boys who inhabited your mother's uterus. 136 00:08:53,786 --> 00:08:56,965 So, for every older biological brother you have, 137 00:08:56,965 --> 00:09:00,656 your chances of being born gay go up 33%. 138 00:09:00,656 --> 00:09:04,869 Long before we invented the pill, 139 00:09:04,869 --> 00:09:09,393 nature devised homosexuality as a prescription for birth control. 140 00:09:10,198 --> 00:09:15,759 After four straight, heterosexual males, nature says, "Enough already!," 141 00:09:17,780 --> 00:09:22,057 and the mom's immune system switches on the epigenetic switch 142 00:09:22,057 --> 00:09:25,722 so a gay male is born into the family. 143 00:09:25,722 --> 00:09:29,331 This one will not be overburdening the clan with yet more mouths to feed 144 00:09:29,331 --> 00:09:32,860 in the next generation - sometimes more isn't better - 145 00:09:32,860 --> 00:09:34,919 and he's not going to be killing his brother 146 00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:37,117 in a fight over who gets the girl. 147 00:09:38,210 --> 00:09:42,160 Thankfully, the sexual minority these days have many options 148 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,572 for having kids of their own, 149 00:09:43,572 --> 00:09:47,331 and I have a hunch my gay son may bless us with grandchildren 150 00:09:47,331 --> 00:09:50,800 before our three straight children do. 151 00:09:51,723 --> 00:09:55,521 So, another gene, this one on the X chromosome, 152 00:09:55,521 --> 00:09:58,052 is called a "male-loving gene," 153 00:09:58,052 --> 00:10:01,031 because, when it shows up in a female, 154 00:10:01,031 --> 00:10:03,912 she tends to mate early and have a lot of kids, 155 00:10:03,912 --> 00:10:06,591 but, when the male-loving gene shows up in a male, 156 00:10:06,591 --> 00:10:09,261 it predisposes to homosexuality. 157 00:10:09,261 --> 00:10:11,933 So, this is another gene that balances a family 158 00:10:11,933 --> 00:10:14,393 destined to have a large brood of kids and grandkids 159 00:10:14,393 --> 00:10:19,333 with an occasional gay son whose natural tendency to promote togetherness 160 00:10:19,333 --> 00:10:23,179 could improve the chances of survival for the whole family. 161 00:10:24,073 --> 00:10:25,882 Now, I apologize. 162 00:10:25,882 --> 00:10:30,706 We have a lot more science about sexual orientation in men than in women, 163 00:10:30,706 --> 00:10:32,932 so this talk is mostly about gay males. 164 00:10:32,932 --> 00:10:34,693 Though, I have no doubt 165 00:10:34,693 --> 00:10:38,273 that female homosexuality is also a natural variation 166 00:10:38,273 --> 00:10:41,199 that is advantageous for the family and the community. 167 00:10:42,123 --> 00:10:44,882 But Jimmy has no older brothers. 168 00:10:45,382 --> 00:10:47,055 Why is he gay? 169 00:10:48,490 --> 00:10:51,525 So, when Joan was pregnant with him, 170 00:10:51,525 --> 00:10:56,365 we discovered a large cancer growing in her chest. 171 00:10:56,915 --> 00:10:58,821 Metastasis in the neck. 172 00:10:59,345 --> 00:11:00,924 It was a scary time. 173 00:11:01,655 --> 00:11:05,183 She had radiation therapy to her chest 174 00:11:05,183 --> 00:11:08,247 while Jimmy was still in the third trimester. 175 00:11:08,865 --> 00:11:12,133 It was a rocky start for little Jimmy. 176 00:11:13,782 --> 00:11:19,746 Miraculously, they both survived and are in great health today. 177 00:11:20,463 --> 00:11:23,027 But, in fact, 178 00:11:23,737 --> 00:11:28,529 severe prenatal stress does predispose to homosexuality. 179 00:11:29,206 --> 00:11:31,877 In this study, 37% of gay males 180 00:11:31,877 --> 00:11:35,124 reported their mothers suffered severe prenatal stress 181 00:11:35,728 --> 00:11:41,122 compared to only 3% of heterosexual males' moms. 182 00:11:44,498 --> 00:11:49,888 This is kind of like the queen ant, 183 00:11:49,888 --> 00:11:54,242 where the mom is placing epigenetic markers on the baby 184 00:11:54,242 --> 00:12:00,665 to change his identity to help the future welfare of the family. 185 00:12:01,909 --> 00:12:05,360 It's as if the mom was saying, "I'm in trouble here. 186 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,666 I need a kind and clever ally to help me hold this family together." 187 00:12:12,790 --> 00:12:14,433 So, to summarize, 188 00:12:15,789 --> 00:12:17,908 if the family is flushed with plenty of kids 189 00:12:17,908 --> 00:12:20,269 and/or it's a stressful place and time, 190 00:12:20,269 --> 00:12:22,727 nature occasionally flips these epigenetics switches 191 00:12:22,727 --> 00:12:24,420 to turn on the gay genes. 192 00:12:24,420 --> 00:12:26,496 This alters brain development, 193 00:12:26,496 --> 00:12:31,822 that changes sexual orientation and also improves emotional intelligence. 194 00:12:34,199 --> 00:12:36,673 I have no doubt that Jimmy was born gay. 195 00:12:37,121 --> 00:12:39,230 Here's his first birthday party. 196 00:12:39,230 --> 00:12:40,732 (Laughter) 197 00:12:41,258 --> 00:12:45,259 When he was three, he said, "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to marry Daddy." 198 00:12:45,259 --> 00:12:46,530 (Laughter) 199 00:12:46,530 --> 00:12:50,362 Now, some parents send their kid away, you know, well-meaning parents, 200 00:12:50,362 --> 00:12:53,772 to a conversion camp to pray away the gay. 201 00:12:53,772 --> 00:12:55,681 You might as well send the kid to a camp 202 00:12:55,681 --> 00:12:58,171 to convert his eye color from brown to blue. 203 00:12:58,171 --> 00:12:59,669 Not happening! 204 00:13:00,912 --> 00:13:04,013 But Jimmy is like social glue holding our family together. 205 00:13:04,013 --> 00:13:07,807 You know, whether his brother Evan gets beat up in a bar fight, 206 00:13:07,807 --> 00:13:11,793 or his sister Caroline gets dumped by a boyfriend, 207 00:13:11,793 --> 00:13:16,242 or his sister Kathleen gets busted for plagiarizing Wikipedia - 208 00:13:16,242 --> 00:13:18,080 (Laughter) 209 00:13:19,474 --> 00:13:22,415 they know Jimmy's made them feel 210 00:13:22,415 --> 00:13:26,029 like they belong to something bigger than their problems. 211 00:13:28,204 --> 00:13:31,282 So, storytelling is the great survival skill of the Irish, 212 00:13:31,282 --> 00:13:34,276 and, right here in Dublin, 162 years ago, 213 00:13:34,276 --> 00:13:37,706 one of your finest storytellers was born: 214 00:13:37,706 --> 00:13:39,554 Oscar Wilde. 215 00:13:39,554 --> 00:13:42,728 Oscar ran away to the University of Oxford 216 00:13:42,728 --> 00:13:45,956 where he met a young poet named Bosie Douglas. 217 00:13:45,956 --> 00:13:48,096 Their long-standing openly gay relationship 218 00:13:48,096 --> 00:13:53,050 infuriated and humiliated Bosie's father, Lord Queensburry - 219 00:13:53,050 --> 00:13:54,327 I'm not making this up - 220 00:13:54,327 --> 00:13:56,113 (Laughter) 221 00:13:57,073 --> 00:14:01,745 who was so mad that he eventually had Oscar arrested for gross indecency, 222 00:14:01,745 --> 00:14:05,214 thrown into a dungeon for two years of hard labor. 223 00:14:05,795 --> 00:14:10,189 Oscar died three years later, a young man. 224 00:14:10,896 --> 00:14:16,123 Oscar wrote, "Always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them so much." 225 00:14:16,123 --> 00:14:17,497 (Laughter) 226 00:14:17,497 --> 00:14:22,305 But these days, open homophobia is being replaced by more of a subtle heterosexism 227 00:14:22,305 --> 00:14:24,688 where people in the sexual minority 228 00:14:24,688 --> 00:14:27,453 are often considered second-class citizens. 229 00:14:28,056 --> 00:14:30,188 Boy George says, "There's this illusion 230 00:14:30,188 --> 00:14:32,866 that homosexuals have sex and heterosexuals fall in love. 231 00:14:32,866 --> 00:14:36,287 That's completely untrue. We all want to be loved." 232 00:14:36,287 --> 00:14:40,278 I agree: among all the things in life it'd be hardest to live without, 233 00:14:40,958 --> 00:14:42,626 love would come first. 234 00:14:43,395 --> 00:14:47,087 But indoor plumbing and toilet paper would be pretty high up there too, right? 235 00:14:47,087 --> 00:14:48,569 (Laughter) 236 00:14:49,046 --> 00:14:51,008 I want to tell you about one more study, 237 00:14:51,008 --> 00:14:55,156 this one a heartbreaking, nationwide study, from the US, 238 00:14:55,156 --> 00:14:59,973 that looked at US teens, and they found that those in the sexual minority 239 00:14:59,973 --> 00:15:01,720 were twice as likely to be bullied, 240 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,698 five times more likely to have attempted suicide. 241 00:15:04,698 --> 00:15:08,661 Twenty-nine percent of gay teens had tried to kill themselves. 242 00:15:09,457 --> 00:15:11,830 These days, around the world, in many countries, 243 00:15:11,830 --> 00:15:16,347 it's illegal to have same-sex physical intimacy. 244 00:15:16,347 --> 00:15:19,707 In many countries, it's punishable by death. 245 00:15:19,707 --> 00:15:22,379 In the red countries, it's punishable by imprisonment. 246 00:15:22,379 --> 00:15:25,527 In India, the law states 14 years to life, 247 00:15:25,527 --> 00:15:29,730 because "homosexuality is against the order of nature." 248 00:15:33,126 --> 00:15:34,810 Except that it's not! 249 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,599 Nature prescribes homosexuality at specific times and places, 250 00:15:39,599 --> 00:15:43,082 and endows these people with special traits 251 00:15:43,082 --> 00:15:45,596 that help the people around them flourish. 252 00:15:46,271 --> 00:15:48,120 What is against the order of nature 253 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,112 is the ongoing persecution of the sexual minority. 254 00:15:51,112 --> 00:15:53,630 These are not confused or defective people 255 00:15:53,630 --> 00:15:57,385 that need to be cured, or punished, or ostracized. 256 00:15:58,492 --> 00:16:02,821 They need to be accepted, 257 00:16:03,861 --> 00:16:06,141 for who they are, and embraced. 258 00:16:07,201 --> 00:16:09,045 They make us better. 259 00:16:10,461 --> 00:16:15,341 If you had told me 30 years ago, as I held my baby boy, 260 00:16:15,341 --> 00:16:17,202 that he would grow up to be gay, 261 00:16:17,202 --> 00:16:19,288 I would have been devastated, 262 00:16:20,222 --> 00:16:24,288 but looking back, I see Mother Nature knew what she was doing! 263 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:29,565 Her clairvoyant intelligence, forged during eons of evolution, 264 00:16:29,565 --> 00:16:34,992 instinctively knew my family would need the advantages of a gay son. 265 00:16:35,512 --> 00:16:37,044 Now, admittedly, 266 00:16:37,434 --> 00:16:40,754 the science of homosexuality is still in it's infancy, 267 00:16:40,754 --> 00:16:44,082 but as his father, what I can tell you for sure 268 00:16:44,082 --> 00:16:47,022 is that Jimmy is exactly who he was meant to be, 269 00:16:47,763 --> 00:16:52,453 and my family is stronger and happier because he's in our clan. 270 00:16:53,734 --> 00:16:55,289 How about you? 271 00:16:56,254 --> 00:16:58,339 Can you set sex aside? 272 00:16:59,365 --> 00:17:05,436 Realize gay men and gay women are essential to humanity? 273 00:17:06,932 --> 00:17:08,567 We're like the ants. 274 00:17:08,567 --> 00:17:13,841 It's in our diversity where we find our collective strength. 275 00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:15,557 Thank you. 276 00:17:15,557 --> 00:17:18,606 (Applause) (Cheers)