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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Jenny Hoang.\NI'm Chinese.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.18,0:00:07.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess you could say I'm Chinese American,\Nbut generally I just say I'm Chinese.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.90,0:00:13.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I recognize myself as a woman.\NFor the sexuality stuff,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.18,0:00:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's a little more\Ncomplicated than that.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.87,0:00:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always try to give,\N"Oh, let me give you a one-word answer,"
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.28,0:00:22.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think it's very hard\Nto give a one-word answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.34,0:00:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I date men, I date women,\NI date a lot of people.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.08,0:00:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I grew up in SoCal, and I moved to SGV\Nin my early twenties.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.40,0:00:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lived here for a couple of years.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.31,0:00:40.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm a PhD candidate at USC in the\NAmerican Studies and Ethnicity program.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.06,0:00:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My research is on gender and sexuality.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.35,0:00:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I focus mainly on Taiwan and U.S. relations\Naround the figure of the tomboy.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.89,0:00:55.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, when you say "tomboy"\Nin the U.S., you generally think of this
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.66,0:01:00.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pre-pubescent girl who likes to roughhouse\Nand play,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.41,0:01:01.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then she'll eventually grow out of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.91,0:01:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in Taiwan,\Nin other parts of Southeast Asia,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.20,0:01:13.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's an informal gender and sexuality\Ncategory of people who are "female-bodied"
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.92,0:01:17.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but present as masculine\Nand who stay feminine women.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.96,0:01:22.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's about presenting yourself\Nin a more genderfluid way.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.84,0:01:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you might go by "he,"\Nor you might not go by "he"
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.78,0:01:31.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But people will still recognize you\Nas very masculine.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.88,0:01:36.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So my research is on Taiwan and\NU.S. relations, and I'm interested in
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.96,0:01:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinking about how the tomboy sort of\Nreflects global exchange that happens
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.76,0:01:48.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between Taiwan and the U.S.\NSo in my research,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.86,0:01:53.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've met a lot of people who identify\Nthemselves as tomboys, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.55,0:02:01.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And generally, they're ethnic Chinese or\Nthey're Taiwanese, and in my research,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.71,0:02:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've also met a lot of organizations\Nthat service the queer API community.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.47,0:02:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In terms of my family, I don't know if\Nthey really understand what I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.21,0:02:15.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They just know I'm going to school.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.82,0:02:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm engaged to my partner right now.\NMy partner goes by "he" most of the time,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.98,0:02:26.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they've met him, and I think -
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.25,0:02:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think - so when I told my parents -\Nwhen I told my family I "liked" women,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.70,0:02:37.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was when I was really young,\NI was in high school,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.58,0:02:41.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was like, "Hey, Mom, Dad,\Nyou know, I date women, too."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.19,0:02:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think they took it as, "Oh, it's just\Nyou being a kid, you're just experimenting
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.18,0:02:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"you're just being silly." But in this\Nlast relationship, we're engaged.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.68,0:02:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think caused them a lot of anxiety,\Na lot of anger, even, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.36,0:03:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think there's a generational split, too,\Nso people who are younger than maybe 45
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.74,0:03:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all my cousins, younger aunts and uncles,\Nthey're okay with it, they understand,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.85,0:03:17.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're like, "OK, yeah, we accept you."\NBut then for my parents, my grandparents,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.86,0:03:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they either see my relationship with my\Npartner as "oh, that's your friend", or
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.64,0:03:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"that's totally wrong, and\Nyou're doing the bad things."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.41,0:03:34.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Professionally, my value system, I have\Ndifficulty with the "coming out" narrative
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.43,0:03:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the desire for acceptance. You know,\NI don't know if all of us "come out"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.49,0:03:44.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then want some sort of legal\Nrecognition.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.31,0:03:51.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, me and my partner decided to become\Nengaged and eventually will get married,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.46,0:03:53.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I don't know if marriage means for us
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.93,0:03:57.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we want the state to recognize\Nour "love", right?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.88,0:04:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for what do I think about the future of\Nthe queer API community,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.54,0:04:09.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I'm hopeful for just more\Nconversation to happen,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.18,0:04:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only within the Asian American\Ncommunity, but thinking about the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.37,0:04:18.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transnational queer community 'cause\NI think there's stuff for us to learn from
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.26,0:04:20.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other models of being queer, right,\N
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.90,0:04:24.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that may be don't get highlighted so much\Nin the States.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.26,0:04:30.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, I hope for more dialogue not only\Nbetween what does it mean to be gay
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.86,0:04:33.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what does it mean to be queer, but what\Ndoes it mean to be Asian.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.23,0:04:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SGV, I think, is such an interesting\Nspace. You walk out here and you're like,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.54,0:04:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, Asians everywhere.\NThis is some sort of Asian utopia, right?"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.12,0:04:46.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's not how it looks everywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.74,0:04:50.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I've had so many interesting\Nexperiences here, where
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.92,0:04:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've talked to people who grew up here,\Nthey're like,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.84,0:04:55.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I've never experienced racism."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.51,0:04:58.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm like, "What do you mean?\NWho are you? Where did you grow up?"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.47,0:05:04.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think that's actually really common,\Nmaybe, in the SGV versus when I was young
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.04,0:05:08.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I lived in places that were\Npredominantly non-Asian.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.49,0:05:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Racism was a daily experience in my life.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.14,0:05:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I think it's interesting to just ask\Nthese questions,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.73,0:05:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think people are doing good work\Nto ask these questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.78,0:05:25.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know at first, when I said, oh, I\N"came out" to my family,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.75,0:05:30.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't come out. So there's no, I think,\Nsometimes when we talk about coming out,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.20,0:05:35.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, it's this thing where you have to prep\Nfor it, and then,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.11,0:05:37.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh, I'm going to tell everyone about my\Ninnermost self.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.97,0:05:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I didn't have that, I just -
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.81,0:05:47.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm thirty-one, and I think even in my\Ngeneration, it was still sort of taboo
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.59,0:05:52.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be gay, whatever, right? But even then\NI remember, I just told my parents,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.39,0:05:57.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yeah, I like girls", right?\NAnd there wasn't a sense of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.81,0:06:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh, now that I've told my parents this,\NI know myself more, or I'm -
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.88,0:06:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know how to say this. It wasn't\Nthis big, revolutionary moment,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.55,0:06:10.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which sometimes I feel there is a lot of\Npressure for the queer community to have
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.63,0:06:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this big, revolutionary "you have to\Ncome out or else you're in the closet."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.72,0:06:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just don't think that's the case.\NYou don't have to "come out".
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.94,0:06:21.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can just be you, and be like,\Nthat's not that important.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.17,0:06:25.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think at least in my interviews, and\Nmy own experience with tomboys, and
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.70,0:06:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my own personal experience,\Nthat is not the first step, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.41,0:06:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what the first step is, but\Nit's definitely not announcing that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.21,0:06:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am this special, unique sexual person.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.68,0:06:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think if those are the inspirational\Nwords you're looking for, maybe it's just,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.24,0:06:44.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't have to do it,\Nyou don't have to come out,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.47,0:06:47.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't have to be like, "I'm gay, and\NI want my rights."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.65,0:06:51.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't need that to be able to say\Nyou're your "true self".
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.52,0:06:55.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what I would say. Yeah.