1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,575 When I go to parties, 2 00:00:01,575 --> 00:00:03,359 it doesn't usually take very long 3 00:00:03,359 --> 00:00:04,399 for people to find out 4 00:00:04,399 --> 00:00:07,507 that I'm a scientist and I study sex. 5 00:00:07,507 --> 00:00:12,408 And then I get asked questions. 6 00:00:12,408 --> 00:00:15,575 And the questions usually have a very particular format. 7 00:00:15,575 --> 00:00:16,807 They start with the phrase, 8 00:00:16,807 --> 00:00:18,708 "A friend told me," 9 00:00:18,708 --> 00:00:20,608 and then they end with the phrase, 10 00:00:20,608 --> 00:00:22,525 "Is this true?" 11 00:00:22,525 --> 00:00:23,911 And most of the time 12 00:00:23,911 --> 00:00:26,030 I'm glad to say that I can answer them, 13 00:00:26,030 --> 00:00:27,877 but sometimes I have to say, 14 00:00:27,877 --> 00:00:29,010 "I'm really sorry, 15 00:00:29,010 --> 00:00:30,194 but I don't know 16 00:00:30,194 --> 00:00:33,278 because I'm not that kind of a doctor." 17 00:00:33,278 --> 00:00:35,194 That is, I'm not a clinician, 18 00:00:35,194 --> 00:00:38,385 I'm a comparative biologist who studies anatomy. 19 00:00:38,385 --> 00:00:41,318 And my job is to look at lots of different species of animals 20 00:00:41,318 --> 00:00:44,635 and try to figure out how their tissues and organs work 21 00:00:44,635 --> 00:00:46,136 when everything's going right, 22 00:00:46,136 --> 00:00:47,754 rather than trying to figure out 23 00:00:47,754 --> 00:00:49,337 how to fix things when they go wrong, 24 00:00:49,337 --> 00:00:50,538 like so many of you. 25 00:00:50,538 --> 00:00:52,937 And what I do is I look for similarities and differences 26 00:00:52,937 --> 00:00:55,204 in the solutions that they've evolved 27 00:00:55,204 --> 00:00:56,788 for fundamental biological problems. 28 00:00:56,788 --> 00:00:58,637 So today I'm here to argue 29 00:00:58,637 --> 00:01:02,503 that this is not at all 30 00:01:02,503 --> 00:01:04,404 an esoteric Ivory Tower activity 31 00:01:04,404 --> 00:01:05,721 that we find at our universities, 32 00:01:05,721 --> 00:01:07,704 but that broad study 33 00:01:07,704 --> 00:01:10,656 across species, tissue types and organ systems 34 00:01:10,656 --> 00:01:12,291 can produce insights 35 00:01:12,291 --> 00:01:15,675 that have direct implications for human health. 36 00:01:15,675 --> 00:01:18,173 And this is true both of my recent project 37 00:01:18,173 --> 00:01:19,897 on sex differences in the brain, 38 00:01:19,897 --> 00:01:21,816 and my more mature work 39 00:01:21,816 --> 00:01:24,650 on the anatomy and function of penises. 40 00:01:24,650 --> 00:01:27,280 And now you know why I'm fun at parties. 41 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,248 (Laughter) 42 00:01:28,248 --> 00:01:30,531 So today I'm going to give you an example 43 00:01:30,531 --> 00:01:32,248 drawn from my penis study 44 00:01:32,248 --> 00:01:33,865 to show you how knowledge 45 00:01:33,865 --> 00:01:35,632 drawn from studies of one organ system 46 00:01:35,632 --> 00:01:38,613 provided insights into a very different one. 47 00:01:38,613 --> 00:01:41,631 Now I'm sure as everyone in the audience already knows -- 48 00:01:41,631 --> 00:01:45,147 I did have to explain it to my nine-year-old late last week -- 49 00:01:45,147 --> 00:01:48,898 penises are structures that transfer sperm 50 00:01:48,898 --> 00:01:50,198 from one individual to another. 51 00:01:50,198 --> 00:01:51,698 And the slide behind me 52 00:01:51,698 --> 00:01:53,431 barely scratches the surface 53 00:01:53,431 --> 00:01:55,396 of how widespread they are in animals. 54 00:01:55,396 --> 00:01:57,381 There's an enormous amount of anatomical variation. 55 00:01:57,381 --> 00:02:01,255 You find muscular tubes, modified legs, modified fins, 56 00:02:01,255 --> 00:02:05,101 as well as the mammalian fleshy, inflatable cylinder 57 00:02:05,101 --> 00:02:06,736 that we're all familiar with -- 58 00:02:06,736 --> 00:02:09,018 or at least half of you are. 59 00:02:09,018 --> 00:02:11,419 (Laughter) 60 00:02:11,419 --> 00:02:14,157 And I think we see this tremendous variation 61 00:02:14,157 --> 00:02:17,308 because it's a really effective solution 62 00:02:17,308 --> 00:02:19,474 to a very basic biological problem, 63 00:02:19,474 --> 00:02:21,957 and that is getting sperm in a position 64 00:02:21,957 --> 00:02:24,509 to meet up with eggs and form zygotes. 65 00:02:24,509 --> 00:02:28,458 Now the penis isn't actually required for internal fertiliztion, 66 00:02:28,458 --> 00:02:30,924 but when internal fertilization evolves, 67 00:02:30,924 --> 00:02:32,924 penises often follow. 68 00:02:32,924 --> 00:02:37,341 And the question I get when I start talking about this most often is, 69 00:02:37,341 --> 00:02:40,257 "What made you interested in this subject?" 70 00:02:40,257 --> 00:02:44,207 And the answer is skeletons. 71 00:02:44,207 --> 00:02:46,774 You wouldn't think that skeletons and penises 72 00:02:46,774 --> 00:02:48,625 have very much to do with one another. 73 00:02:48,625 --> 00:02:50,757 And that's because we tend to think of skeletons 74 00:02:50,757 --> 00:02:52,407 as stiff lever systems 75 00:02:52,407 --> 00:02:54,090 that produce speed or power. 76 00:02:54,090 --> 00:02:57,657 And my first forays into biological research, 77 00:02:57,657 --> 00:03:00,475 doing dinosaur paleontology as an undergraduate, 78 00:03:00,475 --> 00:03:02,026 were really squarely in that realm. 79 00:03:02,026 --> 00:03:05,143 But when I went to graduate school to study biomechanics, 80 00:03:05,143 --> 00:03:07,608 I really wanted to find a dissertation project 81 00:03:07,608 --> 00:03:10,507 that would expand our knowledge of skeletal function. 82 00:03:10,507 --> 00:03:12,309 I tried a bunch of different stuff. 83 00:03:12,309 --> 00:03:13,957 A lot of it didn't pan out. 84 00:03:13,957 --> 00:03:15,791 But then one day I started thinking 85 00:03:15,791 --> 00:03:17,573 about the mammalian penis. 86 00:03:17,573 --> 00:03:21,591 And it's really an odd sort of structure. 87 00:03:21,591 --> 00:03:24,408 Before it can be used for internal fertilization, 88 00:03:24,408 --> 00:03:25,891 its mechanical behavior has to change 89 00:03:25,891 --> 00:03:27,608 in a really dramatic fashion. 90 00:03:27,608 --> 00:03:30,206 Most of the time it's a flexible organ. 91 00:03:30,206 --> 00:03:31,490 It's easy to bend. 92 00:03:31,490 --> 00:03:33,484 But before it's brought into use 93 00:03:33,484 --> 00:03:34,702 during copulation 94 00:03:34,702 --> 00:03:36,460 it has to become rigid, 95 00:03:36,460 --> 00:03:38,475 it has to become difficult to bend. 96 00:03:38,475 --> 00:03:40,492 And moreover, it has to work. 97 00:03:40,492 --> 00:03:43,242 A reproductive system that fails to function 98 00:03:43,242 --> 00:03:46,557 produces an individual that has no offspring, 99 00:03:46,557 --> 00:03:49,728 and that individual is then kicked out of the gene pool. 100 00:03:49,728 --> 00:03:52,189 And so I thought, "Here's a problem 101 00:03:52,189 --> 00:03:55,437 that just cries out for a skeletal system -- 102 00:03:55,437 --> 00:03:58,649 not one like this one, 103 00:03:58,649 --> 00:04:01,706 but one like this one -- 104 00:04:01,706 --> 00:04:04,123 because, functionally, 105 00:04:04,123 --> 00:04:05,690 a skeleton is any system 106 00:04:05,690 --> 00:04:08,722 that supports tissue and transmits forces. 107 00:04:08,722 --> 00:04:11,072 And I already knew that animals like this earthworm, 108 00:04:11,072 --> 00:04:12,518 indeed most animals, 109 00:04:12,518 --> 00:04:13,811 don't support their tissues 110 00:04:13,811 --> 00:04:15,605 by draping them over bones. 111 00:04:15,605 --> 00:04:18,438 Instead they're more like reinforced water balloons. 112 00:04:18,438 --> 00:04:22,305 They use a skeleton that we call a hydrostatic skeleton. 113 00:04:22,305 --> 00:04:24,371 And a hydrostatic skeleton 114 00:04:24,371 --> 00:04:26,289 uses two elements. 115 00:04:26,289 --> 00:04:28,439 The skeletal support comes from an interaction 116 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:30,213 between a pressurized fluid 117 00:04:30,213 --> 00:04:31,819 and a surrounding wall of tissue 118 00:04:31,819 --> 00:04:36,290 that's held in tension and reinforced with fibrous proteins. 119 00:04:36,290 --> 00:04:38,538 And the interaction is crucial. 120 00:04:38,538 --> 00:04:41,906 Without both elements you have no support. 121 00:04:41,906 --> 00:04:43,188 If you have fluid 122 00:04:43,188 --> 00:04:45,222 with no wall to surround it 123 00:04:45,222 --> 00:04:46,656 and keep pressure up, 124 00:04:46,656 --> 00:04:48,560 you have a puddle. 125 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,660 And if you have just the wall 126 00:04:50,660 --> 00:04:52,394 with no fluid inside of it to put the wall in tension, 127 00:04:52,394 --> 00:04:54,344 you've got a little wet rag. 128 00:04:54,344 --> 00:04:56,976 When you look at a penis in cross section, 129 00:04:56,976 --> 00:04:59,409 it has a lot of the hallmarks 130 00:04:59,409 --> 00:05:01,459 of a hydrostatic skeleton. 131 00:05:01,459 --> 00:05:02,968 It has a central space 132 00:05:02,968 --> 00:05:04,488 of spongy erectile tissue 133 00:05:04,488 --> 00:05:07,066 that fills with fluid -- in this case blood -- 134 00:05:07,066 --> 00:05:09,465 surrounded by a wall of tissue 135 00:05:09,465 --> 00:05:13,316 that's rich in a stiff structural protein called collagen. 136 00:05:13,316 --> 00:05:15,816 But at the time when I started this project, 137 00:05:15,816 --> 00:05:19,017 the best explanation I could find for penal erection 138 00:05:19,017 --> 00:05:23,301 was that the wall surrounded these spongy tissues, 139 00:05:23,301 --> 00:05:25,000 and the spongy tissues filled with blood 140 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,268 and pressure rose and voila! it became erect. 141 00:05:28,268 --> 00:05:32,233 And that explained to me expansion -- 142 00:05:32,233 --> 00:05:35,800 made sense: more fluid, you get tissues that expand -- 143 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,817 but it didn't actually explain erection. 144 00:05:38,817 --> 00:05:42,708 Because there was no mechanism in this explanation 145 00:05:42,708 --> 00:05:45,675 for making this structure hard to bend. 146 00:05:45,675 --> 00:05:48,391 And no one had systematically looked at the wall tissue. 147 00:05:48,391 --> 00:05:50,993 So I thought, wall tissue's important in skeletons. 148 00:05:50,993 --> 00:05:53,359 It has to be part of the explanation. 149 00:05:53,359 --> 00:05:55,894 And this was the point 150 00:05:55,894 --> 00:05:58,491 at which my graduate adviser said, 151 00:05:58,491 --> 00:06:01,874 "Whoa! Hold on. Slow down." 152 00:06:01,874 --> 00:06:05,242 Because after about six months of me talking about this, 153 00:06:05,242 --> 00:06:06,558 I think he finally figured out 154 00:06:06,558 --> 00:06:09,607 that I was really serious about the penis thing. 155 00:06:09,607 --> 00:06:12,654 (Laughter) 156 00:06:12,654 --> 00:06:14,703 So he sat me down, and he warned me. 157 00:06:14,703 --> 00:06:16,879 He was like, "Be careful going down this path. 158 00:06:16,879 --> 00:06:19,646 I'm not sure this project's going to pan out." 159 00:06:19,646 --> 00:06:22,178 Because he was afraid I was walking into a trap. 160 00:06:22,178 --> 00:06:26,995 I was taking on a socially embarrassing question 161 00:06:26,995 --> 00:06:29,330 with an answer that he thought 162 00:06:29,330 --> 00:06:31,712 might not be particularly interesting. 163 00:06:31,712 --> 00:06:33,245 And that was because 164 00:06:33,245 --> 00:06:34,763 every hydrostatic skeleton 165 00:06:34,763 --> 00:06:36,831 that we had found in nature up to that point 166 00:06:36,831 --> 00:06:38,628 had the same basic elements. 167 00:06:38,628 --> 00:06:39,845 It had the central fluid, 168 00:06:39,845 --> 00:06:41,645 it had the surrounding wall, 169 00:06:41,645 --> 00:06:44,781 and the reinforcing fibers in the wall 170 00:06:44,781 --> 00:06:47,199 were arranged in crossed helices 171 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:49,256 around the long axis of the skeleton. 172 00:06:49,256 --> 00:06:50,577 So the image behind me 173 00:06:50,577 --> 00:06:52,206 shows a piece of tissue 174 00:06:52,206 --> 00:06:54,231 in one of these cross helical skeletons 175 00:06:54,231 --> 00:06:56,764 cut so that you're looking at the surface of the wall. 176 00:06:56,764 --> 00:06:58,482 The arrow shows you the long axis. 177 00:06:58,482 --> 00:07:00,332 And you can see two layers of fibers, 178 00:07:00,332 --> 00:07:02,033 one in blue and one in yellow, 179 00:07:02,033 --> 00:07:04,831 arranged in left-handed and right-handed angles. 180 00:07:04,831 --> 00:07:07,080 And if you weren't just looking at a little section of the fibers, 181 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,781 those fibers would be going in helices 182 00:07:09,781 --> 00:07:11,531 around the long axis of the skeleton -- 183 00:07:11,531 --> 00:07:13,664 something like a Chinese finger trap, 184 00:07:13,664 --> 00:07:15,565 where you stick your fingers in and they get stuck. 185 00:07:15,565 --> 00:07:18,648 And these skeletons have a particular set of behaviors, 186 00:07:18,648 --> 00:07:20,680 which I'm going to demonstrate in a film. 187 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:21,831 It's a model skeleton 188 00:07:21,831 --> 00:07:24,014 that I made out of a piece of cloth 189 00:07:24,014 --> 00:07:26,567 that I wrapped around an inflated balloon. 190 00:07:26,567 --> 00:07:28,265 The cloth's cut on the bias. 191 00:07:28,265 --> 00:07:31,014 So you can see that the fibers wrap in helices, 192 00:07:31,014 --> 00:07:35,326 and those fibers can reorient as the skeleton moves, 193 00:07:35,326 --> 00:07:36,755 which means the skeleton's flexible. 194 00:07:36,755 --> 00:07:39,228 It lengthens, shortens and bends really easily 195 00:07:39,228 --> 00:07:42,775 in response to internal or external forces. 196 00:07:42,775 --> 00:07:44,071 Now my adviser's concern 197 00:07:44,071 --> 00:07:46,437 was what if the penile wall tissue 198 00:07:46,437 --> 00:07:48,111 is just the same as any other hydrostatic skeleton. 199 00:07:48,111 --> 00:07:50,038 What are you going to contribute? 200 00:07:50,038 --> 00:07:51,505 What new thing are you contributing 201 00:07:51,505 --> 00:07:53,153 to our knowledge of biology? 202 00:07:53,153 --> 00:07:56,571 And I thought, "Yeah, he does have a really good point here." 203 00:07:56,571 --> 00:07:58,321 So I spent a long, long time thinking about it. 204 00:07:58,321 --> 00:08:00,455 And one thing kept bothering me, 205 00:08:00,455 --> 00:08:02,905 and that's, when they're functioning, 206 00:08:02,905 --> 00:08:04,838 penises don't wiggle. 207 00:08:04,838 --> 00:08:07,177 (Laughter) 208 00:08:07,177 --> 00:08:10,078 So something interesting had to be going on. 209 00:08:10,078 --> 00:08:13,379 So I went ahead, collected wall tissue, 210 00:08:13,379 --> 00:08:14,978 prepared it so it was erect, 211 00:08:14,978 --> 00:08:17,177 sectioned it, put it on slides 212 00:08:17,177 --> 00:08:19,829 and then stuck it under the microscope to have a look, 213 00:08:19,829 --> 00:08:24,865 fully expecting to see crossed helices of collagen of some variety. 214 00:08:24,865 --> 00:08:27,263 But instead I saw this. 215 00:08:27,263 --> 00:08:30,264 There's an outer layer and an inner layer. 216 00:08:30,264 --> 00:08:32,814 The arrow shows you the long axis of the skeleton. 217 00:08:32,814 --> 00:08:35,383 I was really surprised at this. 218 00:08:35,383 --> 00:08:36,328 Everyone I showed it 219 00:08:36,328 --> 00:08:37,528 was really surprised at this. 220 00:08:37,528 --> 00:08:39,065 Why was everyone surprised at this? 221 00:08:39,065 --> 00:08:42,049 That's because we knew theoretically 222 00:08:42,049 --> 00:08:44,864 that there was another way 223 00:08:44,864 --> 00:08:47,898 of arranging fibers in a hydrostatic skeleton, 224 00:08:47,898 --> 00:08:50,169 and that was with fibers at zero degrees 225 00:08:50,169 --> 00:08:54,035 and 90 degrees to the long axis of the structure. 226 00:08:54,035 --> 00:08:57,597 The thing is, no one had ever seen it before in nature. 227 00:08:57,597 --> 00:09:00,297 And now I was looking at one. 228 00:09:00,297 --> 00:09:03,031 Those fibers in that particular orientation 229 00:09:03,031 --> 00:09:06,246 give the skeleton a very, very different behavior. 230 00:09:06,246 --> 00:09:07,431 I'm going to show a model 231 00:09:07,431 --> 00:09:09,376 made out of exactly the same materials. 232 00:09:09,376 --> 00:09:11,434 So it'll be made of the same cotton cloth, 233 00:09:11,434 --> 00:09:14,723 same balloon, same internal pressure. 234 00:09:14,723 --> 00:09:17,190 But the only difference 235 00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:19,572 is that the fibers are arranged differently. 236 00:09:19,572 --> 00:09:22,223 And you'll see that, unlike the cross helical model, 237 00:09:22,223 --> 00:09:25,173 this model resists extension and contraction 238 00:09:25,173 --> 00:09:26,624 and resists bending. 239 00:09:26,624 --> 00:09:27,658 Now what that tells us 240 00:09:27,658 --> 00:09:29,754 is that wall tissues are doing so much more 241 00:09:29,754 --> 00:09:32,257 than just covering the vascular tissues. 242 00:09:32,257 --> 00:09:35,751 They're an integral part of the penile skeleton. 243 00:09:35,751 --> 00:09:38,288 If the wall around the erectile tissue wasn't there, 244 00:09:38,288 --> 00:09:40,453 if it wasn't reinforced in this way, 245 00:09:40,453 --> 00:09:41,605 the shape would change, 246 00:09:41,605 --> 00:09:43,989 but the inflated penis would not resist bending, 247 00:09:43,989 --> 00:09:46,036 and erection simply wouldn't work. 248 00:09:46,036 --> 00:09:48,637 It's an observation with obvious medical applications 249 00:09:48,637 --> 00:09:50,419 in humans as well, 250 00:09:50,419 --> 00:09:53,354 but it's also relevant in a broad sense, I think, 251 00:09:53,354 --> 00:09:55,786 to the design of prosthetics, soft robots, 252 00:09:55,786 --> 00:09:56,853 basically anything 253 00:09:56,853 --> 00:10:00,171 where changes of shape and stiffness are important. 254 00:10:00,171 --> 00:10:01,919 So to sum up: 255 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:03,136 Twenty years ago, 256 00:10:03,136 --> 00:10:04,886 I had a college adviser tell me, 257 00:10:04,886 --> 00:10:06,937 when I went to the college and said, 258 00:10:06,937 --> 00:10:08,086 "I'm kind of interested in anatomy," 259 00:10:08,086 --> 00:10:09,970 they said, "Anatomy's a dead science." 260 00:10:09,970 --> 00:10:12,587 He couldn't have been more wrong. 261 00:10:12,587 --> 00:10:15,320 I really believe that we still have a lot to learn 262 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,453 about the normal structure and function of our bodies. 263 00:10:18,453 --> 00:10:21,267 Not just about its genetics and molecular biology, 264 00:10:21,267 --> 00:10:24,666 but up here in the meat end of the scale. 265 00:10:24,666 --> 00:10:26,101 We've got limits on our time. 266 00:10:26,101 --> 00:10:28,366 We often focus on one disease, 267 00:10:28,366 --> 00:10:29,550 one model, one problem, 268 00:10:29,550 --> 00:10:31,124 but my experience suggests 269 00:10:31,124 --> 00:10:32,902 that we should take the time 270 00:10:32,902 --> 00:10:35,467 to apply ideas broadly between systems 271 00:10:35,467 --> 00:10:37,341 and just see where it takes us. 272 00:10:37,341 --> 00:10:40,941 After all, if ideas about invertebrate skeletons 273 00:10:40,941 --> 00:10:42,407 can give us insights 274 00:10:42,407 --> 00:10:44,492 about mammalian reproductive systems, 275 00:10:44,492 --> 00:10:48,541 there could be lots of other wild and productive connections 276 00:10:48,541 --> 00:10:50,990 lurking out there just waiting to be found. 277 00:10:50,990 --> 00:10:52,842 Thank you. 278 00:10:52,842 --> 00:10:56,230 (Applause)