[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.93,0:00:03.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be nice to be\Nobjective in life, Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.57,0:00:05.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in many ways. Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.59,0:00:08.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problem is that we have\Nthese color-tinted glasses Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.97,0:00:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we look at all kinds of situations. Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.65,0:00:17.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, think about\Nsomething as simple as beer. Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.37,0:00:19.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I gave you a few beers to taste Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.55,0:00:23.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I asked you to rate them\Non intensity and bitterness, Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.36,0:00:27.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different beers would occupy\Ndifferent space. Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.05,0:00:29.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what if we tried\Nto be objective about it? Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.81,0:00:31.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the case of beer,\Nit would be very simple. Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.97,0:00:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What if we did a blind taste? Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.12,0:00:36.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, if we did the same thing,\Nyou tasted the same beer, Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.85,0:00:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now in the blind taste,\Nthings would look slightly different. Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.82,0:00:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most of the beers will go into one place. Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.04,0:00:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You will basically not\Nbe able to distinguish them, Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.48,0:00:48.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the exception, of course,\Nwill be Guinness. Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.57,0:00:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter) Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.80,0:00:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly, we can think about physiology. Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.59,0:00:56.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happens when people expect\Nsomething from their physiology? Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.63,0:00:59.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, we sold people\Npain medications. Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.14,0:01:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people, we told them\Nthe medications were expensive. Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.88,0:01:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people, we told them it was cheap. Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.76,0:01:06.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the expensive\Npain medication worked better. Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.73,0:01:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It relieved more pain from people, Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.28,0:01:12.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because expectations\Ndo change our physiology. Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.79,0:01:14.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course, we all know that in sports, Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.85,0:01:16.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you are a fan of a particular team, Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.67,0:01:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't help but see the game Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.04,0:01:22.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,develop from the perspective of your team. Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.54,0:01:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all of those are cases in which\Nour preconceived notions Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.72,0:01:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our expectations color our world. Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.16,0:01:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what happened\Nin more important questions? Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.56,0:01:37.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happened with questions\Nthat had to do with social justice? Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.11,0:01:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we wanted to think about\Nwhat is the blind tasting version Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.52,0:01:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for thinking about inequality? Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.58,0:01:45.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we started looking at inequality, Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.88,0:01:47.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we did some large-scale surveys Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.83,0:01:50.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the U.S. and other countries. Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.38,0:01:52.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we asked two questions: Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.34,0:01:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do people know what kind of\Nlevel of inequality we have? Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.70,0:01:59.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, what level of inequality\Ndo we want to have? Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.81,0:02:02.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let's think about the first question. Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.23,0:02:04.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imagine I took all the people in the U.S. Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.34,0:02:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I sorted them from\Nthe poorest on the right Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.26,0:02:09.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the richest on the left, Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.66,0:02:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I divided them into five buckets: Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.32,0:02:14.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the poorest 20 percent,\Nthe next 20 percent, Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.62,0:02:17.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the next, the next,\Nand the richest 20 percent. Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.47,0:02:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I asked you to tell me\Nhow much wealth do you think Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.47,0:02:23.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is concentrated in each of those buckets. Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.42,0:02:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So to make it simpler,\Nimagine I ask you to tell me, Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.88,0:02:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how much wealth do you think\Nis concentrated Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.14,0:02:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the bottom two buckets, Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.40,0:02:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the bottom 40 percent? Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.66,0:02:35.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Take a second. Think about it\Nand have a number. Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.35,0:02:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Usually we don't think. Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.26,0:02:39.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Think for a second,\Nhave a real number in your mind. Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.74,0:02:41.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have it? Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.36,0:02:44.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, here's what lots\Nof Americans tell us. Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.43,0:02:46.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They think that the bottom 20 percent Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.36,0:02:48.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has about 2.9 percent of the wealth, Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.68,0:02:50.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the next group has 6.4, Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.86,0:02:53.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so together it's slightly more than nine. Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.37,0:02:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next group, they say, has 12 percent, Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.78,0:02:58.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,20 percent, Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.43,0:03:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the richest 20 percent, people think\Nhas 58 percent of the wealth. Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.08,0:03:06.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can see how this relates\Nto what you thought. Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.21,0:03:07.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, what's reality? Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.95,0:03:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Reality is slightly different. Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.76,0:03:13.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The bottom 20 percent\Nhas 0.1 percent of the wealth. Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.58,0:03:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next 20 percent\Nhas 0.2 percent of the wealth. Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.83,0:03:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Together, it's 0.3. Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.94,0:03:22.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next group has 3.9, Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.47,0:03:24.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,11.3, Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.65,0:03:30.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the richest group\Nhas 84-85 percent of the wealth. Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.39,0:03:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what we actually have\Nand what we think we have Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.36,0:03:35.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are very different. Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.33,0:03:37.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about what we want? Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.42,0:03:39.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do we even figure this out? Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.42,0:03:40.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So to look at this, Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.83,0:03:42.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to look at what we really want, Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.41,0:03:45.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we thought about\Nthe philosopher John Rawls. Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.47,0:03:47.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you remember John Rawls, Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.31,0:03:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he had this notion\Nof what's a just society. Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.56,0:03:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said a just society Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.04,0:03:54.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a society that if\Nyou knew everything about it, Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.75,0:03:57.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you would be willing\Nto enter it in a random place. Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.19,0:03:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's a beautiful definition, Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.71,0:04:01.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because if you're wealthy,\Nyou might want the wealthy Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.19,0:04:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have more money, the poor to have less. Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.23,0:04:05.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're poor, you might\Nwant more equality. Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.34,0:04:07.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you're going\Nto go into that society Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.34,0:04:10.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in every possible situation,\Nand you don't know, Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.66,0:04:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to consider all the aspects. Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.86,0:04:15.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a little bit like blind tasting\Nin which you don't know Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.79,0:04:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the outcome will be\Nwhen you make a decision, Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.46,0:04:22.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Rawls called this\Nthe "veil of ignorance." Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.18,0:04:25.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we took another group,\Na large group of Americans, Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.78,0:04:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we asked them the question\Nin the veil of ignorance. Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.54,0:04:32.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are the characteristics of a country\Nthat would make you want to join it, Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.65,0:04:35.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowing that you could end\Nrandomly at any place? Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.81,0:04:37.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here is what we got. Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.28,0:04:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What did people want to give\Nto the first group, Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.54,0:04:41.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the bottom 20 percent? Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.73,0:04:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They wanted to give them\Nabout 10 percent of the wealth. Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.42,0:04:47.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next group, 14 percent of the wealth, Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.02,0:04:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,21, 22 and 32. Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.38,0:04:55.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, nobody in our sample\Nwanted full equality. Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.89,0:05:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody thought that socialism\Nis a fantastic idea in our sample. Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.32,0:05:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what does it mean?\N Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.61,0:05:03.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It means that we have this knowledge gap Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.65,0:05:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between what we have\Nand what we think we have, Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.31,0:05:10.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we have at least as big a gap\Nbetween what we think is right Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.02,0:05:12.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to what we think we have. Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.82,0:05:16.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, we can ask these questions,\Nby the way, not just about wealth. Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.01,0:05:18.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can ask it about other things as well. Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.43,0:05:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for example, we asked people\Nfrom different parts of the world Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.63,0:05:24.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about this question, Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.35,0:05:26.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who are liberals and conservatives, Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.69,0:05:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they gave us basically \Nthe same answer. Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.74,0:05:31.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We asked rich and poor,\Nthey gave us the same answer, Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.22,0:05:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,men and women, Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.52,0:05:35.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NPR listeners and Forbes readers. Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.21,0:05:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We asked people in England,\NAustralia, the U.S. -- Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.44,0:05:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very similar answers. Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.16,0:05:42.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We even asked different\Ndepartments of a university. Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.93,0:05:45.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We went to Harvard and we checked\Nalmost every department, Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.69,0:05:47.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in fact, from Harvard Business School, Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.70,0:05:51.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where a few people wanted the wealthy\Nto have more and the [poor] to have less, Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.41,0:05:53.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the similarity was astonishing. Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.95,0:05:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know some of you went\Nto Harvard Business School. Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.77,0:06:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also asked this question\Nabout something else. Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.12,0:06:05.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We asked, what about the ratio\Nof CEO pay to unskilled workers? Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.09,0:06:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can see what\Npeople think is the ratio, Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.25,0:06:12.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we can ask the question,\Nwhat do they think should be the ratio? Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.15,0:06:14.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we can ask, what is reality? Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.77,0:06:18.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is reality? And you could say,\Nwell, it's not that bad, right? Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.05,0:06:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The red and the yellow\Nare not that different. Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.20,0:06:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the fact is, it's because\NI didn't draw them on the same scale. Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.10,0:06:30.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's hard to see, there's yellow\Nand blue in there. Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.02,0:06:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what about other outcomes of wealth? Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.36,0:06:34.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wealth is not just about wealth. Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.06,0:06:36.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We asked, what about things like health? Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.68,0:06:40.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about availability\Nof prescription medication? Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.81,0:06:42.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about life expectancy? Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.83,0:06:45.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about life expectancy of infants? Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.25,0:06:47.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do we want this to be distributed? Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.59,0:06:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about education for young people? Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.40,0:06:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for older people? Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.27,0:06:55.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And across all of those things,\Nwhat we learned was that people Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.25,0:06:58.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't like inequality of wealth, Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.41,0:07:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there's other things where inequality,\Nwhich is an outcome of wealth, Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.92,0:07:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is even more aversive to them: Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.96,0:07:07.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example, inequality\Nin health or education. Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.93,0:07:10.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also learned that people\Nare particularly open Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.39,0:07:12.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to changes in equality\Nwhen it comes to people Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.95,0:07:14.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have less agency -- Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.99,0:07:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically, young kids and babies, Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.34,0:07:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we don't think of them\Nas responsible for their situation. Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.00,0:07:24.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what are some lessons from this? Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.35,0:07:25.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have two gaps: Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.51,0:07:28.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a knowledge gap\Nand we have a desirability gap Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.09,0:07:30.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the knowledge gap\Nis something that we think about, Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.71,0:07:32.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how do we educate people? Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.08,0:07:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do we get people to think\Ndifferently about inequality Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.80,0:07:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the consequences of inequality\Nin terms of health, education, Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.56,0:07:40.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,jealousy, crime rate, and so on? Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.95,0:07:42.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we have the desirability gap. Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.83,0:07:46.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do we get people to think differently\Nabout what we really want? Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.65,0:07:50.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, the Rawls definition,\Nthe Rawls way of looking at the world, Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.03,0:07:51.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the blind tasting approach, Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.77,0:07:54.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,takes our selfish motivation\Nout of the picture. Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.70,0:07:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do we implement that\Nto a higher degree Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.27,0:07:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a more extensive scale? Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.90,0:08:02.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And finally, we also have an action gap. Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.75,0:08:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do we take these things\Nand actually do something about it? Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.70,0:08:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think part of the answer\Nis to think about people Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.60,0:08:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like young kids and babies\Nthat don't have much agency, Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.72,0:08:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because people seem to be\Nmore willing to do this. Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.52,0:08:20.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To summarize, I would say,\Nnext time you go to drink beer or wine, Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.79,0:08:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first of all, think about, what is it\Nin your experience that is real, Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.88,0:08:28.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what is it in your experience\Nthat is a placebo effect Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.15,0:08:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coming from expectations? Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.76,0:08:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then think about what it also means\Nfor other decisions in your life, Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.29,0:08:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and hopefully also for policy questions\N Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.36,0:08:36.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that affect all of us. Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.67,0:08:38.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks a lot. Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.39,0:08:40.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)