1 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so i'm gonna give a tiny bit of pharmacology because i don't know how many people here are pharmacologists 2 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 maybe a lot maybe not a lot 3 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 how did we study psychedelics without using humans 4 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when I was in a purude university 5 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 worked with receptor targets, most of you know that, but I talk about it briefly 6 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and when I was doing this talk I had my talk finished 7 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 i thought, you know there is nobody in this conference that talk about research chemicals 8 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and large number of people these days are getting their first exposure to a psychedelic or an enctatogen 9 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 through a research chemical 10 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so what I did was I changed the whole back in my presentation to talk a little bit about research chemicals 11 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because lot of people don't know what they are 12 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 sadly a large number of them was pilfered from my publications 13 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so i feel a little responsible for the fact they're out there 14 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then I should talk a little bit about if you want to be a researcher, what should you do and that's part of the CME requirement 15 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so inform patients about new research, refer patients to clinical studies, develop strategies for conducting research and evaluating research 16 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I'm gonna touch on some of these, but obviously this talk like that would be a 2 hour talk in depth 17 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so I won't spend a lot of time, i do want to point out that the sort of revolution in neuroscience 18 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was catalysed by the discovery of LSD and then few years later the finding that serotonin was in the brain] 19 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and I think somebody earlier pointed that out, maybe it was Rick, that 20 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 prior to discovery of LSD and serotonin in the brain, psychiatric disorders were thought to be due to poor parenting 21 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we had mothers that were called refrigerator mothers, because they had a child with schizophrenia and they would say that's the mothers fault she didn't nurture the child properly 22 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so there's no connection, so whe they discovered that 23 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 LSD had effects and serotonin was in the brain and the recognition that 24 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there was a similarity in the skeletal fragment of LSD and serotonin 25 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a number of people put together the idea well maybe behaviour and mental function is somehow related to neurochemistry 26 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that seem sort of silly today because it's obvious thing but back then they thought that brain was sort of an electrical box 27 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 nothing about neurochemistry had anything to do with behaviour 28 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 kind of weird thinking, but that's the way it was 29 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and another thing to point out about psychedelics, and I used to used this definition a lot 30 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because you try to tell people what psychedelics were 31 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and Jaffe wrote a chapter in Goodman and Gilman which was a pharmacologist Bible 32 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and I like this definition because it says that psychedelic 33 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the feature that distinguishes them from other classes of drugs is their capacity reliably to induce or compel 34 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 states of altered perception thought and feeling that are not or can not 35 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be experienced otherwise except in dreams or at times of religious exultation 36 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I often give the seminar to pharmacology departments at medical schools 37 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 where i give this definition and I say 38 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 do you know of any other pharmacological class that has a definition like that? 39 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a drug that produces religious experience? and so, very unique class 40 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and i'm preaching to the choir you all know that but just to mention that 41 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 before we start 42 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this is a list of what I'll call recently published 43 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 clinical studies, that have come out, and i probably dont have everything 44 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 listed here that's been published but the point 45 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of the slide is, what i want you to notice is the colouring 46 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so these purple ones ate the 1990s 47 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 these red ones are 2000-2010 48 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then after 2010, what you see is exponential explosion 49 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of published studies that relate to clinical research 50 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on psychedelics. And i think this trend is likely to continue 51 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so this is really exciting trend and it really obvious when you look at these numbers 52 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the literature in this field is exploding, so we're having an impact 53 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the key brain receptors 54 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for psychedelic are the serotonin 2a and serotonin 2c receptors 55 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and for tryptamines they also activate the 1a receptor 56 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 LSD is a little bit different 57 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 somebody have a question? 58 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 LSDis a little bit different because it hits lots of different receptors 59 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and people used to say that LSD was a promiscuous drug pharmacologicaly 60 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then they switched over 61 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and they started sayin it had rich pharmacology 62 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 butfrom the point of view of understanding how they work if all these drugs 63 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 these types of compounds are considered to have a similar action in the brain 64 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it pretty obvious that the serotonin 2a and 2c 65 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 receptors are probably the ones that are the most important 66 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 things like DOM, DOB, 2C-B, the kind of things you hear about 67 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a lot on the streetm activate principally the serotonin 68 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 2a receptor, they may not fully activate it but they have a high 69 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 efficacy so they produce a good activation of the receptor 70 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we dont know much about the serotonin 1a receptor 71 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it may be important in distinguishing the effects of the tryptamines from phenethylamines 72 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and with lsd its uniquely potent so its doing more than just activating these 2 receptots 73 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that's the quest i've been on for a long time 74 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and will continue work on, to try to understand why LSDhas such profound effects 75 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when if you look at its receptor effects at the 2a 2c or even 1a receptor 76 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there is no evidence that it should be as potent in humans as it actually is 77 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so it has unique pharmacology 78 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so what happens inside the brain cell when we activate these receptors? 79 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this is just a model of a brain synapse 80 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but principaly these serotonin 2a receptors are located postsynaptically 81 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we have release of serotonin in a normal brain 82 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it comes out of these vesicles and interacts with these receptors 83 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so LSD or the other psychedelics will bind to these receptors and will induce a signalling in this receptor 84 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or within the cell 85 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and they can induce signalling in number of ways 86 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they can either fully activate the receptor 87 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that what serotonin does, lsd doesn't fully activate it 88 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 its actually fairly weak agonist, so if we look at LSD on this scheme it would probably be over here 89 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about 30% of full activation 90 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so not only does LSD not have the kind of receptor affinity or stick-to-it-iveness 91 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we might expect from such a potent compound but it also doesn't activate the receptor fully 92 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so its maybe related to its mechanism of action 93 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and an antagonist which dont do anything, BOL as you just heard in a previous talk 94 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 its currently thought to be either antagonist or inverse agonist, an inverse agonist 95 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 actually drops the basal level below this 96 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so BOL would fit into the scheme there 97 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what happends when a psychedelic binds to the receptor? 98 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 these receptors are bundles of alpha-helical protein pieces 99 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that are fit together in the membrane of the cell 100 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and when the drug interacts with the exterior part of this receptor, 101 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it binds inside inside an area that's in between what is called helices 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 to some extend 102 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it causes the shape of this protein bundle to change 103 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and when the shape of that bundle changes, there are pieces of the protein that stick down into the cell 104 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and they also change, so as the receptor changes, the interor pieces of the protein of the receptor also change 105 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and when those pieces change they allow it to couple to signalling molecules within the cell 106 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Now years ago pharmacologists used to talk about a drug that was an agonist 107 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that would activate the receptor 108 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or not activate it. And its alwas thought that the receptor 109 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was sort of like a switch, you turn it on and turn it off and signal is produced. 110 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Now today there is a concept in pharmacology that is called functional selectivity 111 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which means that all drugs don't do the same thing to the receptor 112 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so imagine serotonin, which is the natural transmitter 113 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 binding down inside the receptor 114 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it causes the shape of the receptor to change in a specific way 115 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and now we have an ensemble, the serotonin inside the receptor 116 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that ensemble produces a change in a pieces of the receptor that are inside the cell that allow it to couple 117 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to some set of signalling molecules 118 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if we put LSD in there 119 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or 2C-B or you name your favourite drug 120 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when the receptor binds it doesn't go to the same shape 121 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that it had when the serotonin bound, because it's a different molecule 122 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this new receptor shape induces new changes 123 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in the interior part of the receptor and it no longer binds 124 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the same way to the same set of signalling molecules that serotonin bound to 125 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we have a possibility of coupling to a lot of different things 126 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we have what we call G proteins, those are what 127 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 normally couple to G protein coupled receptors (GCR) 128 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 G alpha I which generally inhibits cellular activity 129 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 G alpha s which typically stimulates cellular activity 130 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 theres another series of G proteins called G alpha q that I dont have shown here 131 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that typically also activate the cell 132 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it can also be phosphorylated with an enzyme 133 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that put phosphate groups on to serines inside these pieces of the receptor 134 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that can allow them to interact with another signalling molecule 135 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 called beta arrestin, so there are number 136 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of these signalling pathways that can be activated 137 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so when a drug binds to the receptor and activates it, it just doesn't turn it on and off, like light switch 138 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it turns it on and it induces certain amount of signals inside the cell 139 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a different drug produces a different set of signals 140 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and yet a third drug will produce even a different set of signals 141 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we have the complexity of understanding how psychedelics work, because 142 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they don't just turn the receptor on and off 143 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they induce a whole bunch of different kinds of changes 144 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and these changes are related to 145 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the structure of the drug itself 146 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So how does receptor signal change consciousness? 147 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so this is when the hand-waving comes in 148 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Franz Vollenvaider will give a talk i think tomorrow 149 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and Robin Carhart-Harris will also talk about 150 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 some of the newer technologies involved in looking at how the brain 151 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 actually responds to psilocybin or to other psychoactive drugs 152 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the kinds of electrical changes as measured by EEG 153 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or glucose utilization as measure by PET 154 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and a number of other techniques 155 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so what happens? 156 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 well basically, we don't know clearly 157 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but one of the things we know that the serotonin 158 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 2a receptor, which is the esential receptor 159 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for producing the effects of psychedelics, is highly expresed in 160 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 all of the structures in the brain that are involved in perception 161 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and counsciousness. 162 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So if we look at the top of the brainstem lower midbrain we have a locus coeruleus 163 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which sends norepinephrine projections to the whole forebrain 164 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we have the raphe nuclei, the dorsal rapahe is also in the same area as the brain stem 165 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that sends serotonin projections to the whole forebrain, 166 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we have the ventral tegmental area which also have serotonin 2a receptors 167 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we have serotonin 2a receptors both in thalamus 168 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but particularly in the reticular nucleus and the reticular nucleus wraps around the thalamus 169 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so the thalamus has the nuclei that are involved in processing all the senses 170 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so auditory, vision, sensing, touch 171 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 all of that is processed through the thalamus 172 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and those signals are sent onto the cortex for final sort of procesing and integration 173 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 while the reticular nucleus wraps around the thalamus as a single layer 174 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and sends inhibitory projections down into the thalamus 175 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and tells the thalamus what kind of information it should let through 176 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we serotoning 2a receptors there, and we have serotonin 2a receptors located on the apical dendrites 177 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of these cortical cells which are the main processing units in cortex 178 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the cortex is where we put together our picture of the world 179 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 its where we make our executive decisions, where we do abstract thinking 180 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so the cortex is critical to the funtion of higher conciousness 181 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's critical to defining who we are 182 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's critical to defining whether we're conscious, unconscious 183 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and its activity is determined by all these other areas 184 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so any sensory information that comes in, is filtered through 185 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the thalamus, that's regulated by reticular nucleus 186 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we have the Raphe sending signals to the cortex 187 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to the apical dendrites, we have a locus corelueus producing norepinephrine 188 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there are alpha receptors responding to norepinephine located on these pyramidal cells 189 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the ventral tegmental area produces dopamine and also produces activation 190 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so the confluence of all these things onto these senitive processing units 191 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 will change the way we perceive things 192 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 changes the whole process of sensory, perception, and consciousness 193 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so it's not surprising that something that activate serotonin 2a receptors 194 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or interacts with 2a receptors will change the way we see 195 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and experience, because thats a fundamental receptor in the brain in all these areas 196 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the serotonin 2a receptors and serotonin 2 receptor, its progenitor 197 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is probably one of the oldest receptors 198 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there's known. Serotonin as a transmitter is thought to be phylogenetically 199 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 probably the oldest of the monoamine transmitters 200 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we consider serotonin, dopamine and epinephrine 201 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because you find serotonin 2 receptors even in single cell organisms like 202 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 paramecium, where is responsible for the movement of the cells 203 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so you know when nature finds something that works, like serotonin 2 receptor 204 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it continues to use it and exploit it in ways, and as it turns out exploited it in modulating our perception and conciousness 205 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 one of the problems I had in Purdue university 206 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 working in the pharmacy school in the midwest 207 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 i had a lot of students who would come and volunteer to be a subject in my experiments 208 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and i would say well i can't really do that 209 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 i can't even talk about anything i may or may not have done 210 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 i plead the 5th amendment 211 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so how did we actually do our studies? 212 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we spend a lot of time looking at animal models 213 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 trying to find something that would parallel the activity in animals that we saw in humans 214 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 no animal can model what happens is humans though 215 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 theres no animal model that can tell you i had a mystical experience 216 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or i remembered my childhood 217 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or anything like that, it's a real problem. 218 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 turns out that in pharmacology 219 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the whole subject of pharmacology is the study of the action of drugs 220 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and if you want to understand how the system in the body works 221 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you apply the drug that modifies that system 222 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so for example we know that they are beta 1 adrenergic receptors in the heart 223 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so if we want to know what beta 1 receptors are doing 224 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we can give the organism a drug that stimulates beta 1 receptors 225 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and if we do we find out that beta 1 receptors control the heart rate 226 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 give a beta 1 agonist to human their heart will start beating faster 227 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in a fight or flight response if you hear 228 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a noise at night, 229 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you walking down a dark street 230 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you hear someone say: Hey hippie, what are you doing down here? 231 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what happens: your heart start beating, you start going [quick breathing]; that's epinephrine produced by adrenals 232 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and it stimulates beta 1 receptors in the heart 233 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so similarly we can argue to study consciousnesses 234 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we can use agents that perturbs consciousnesses, so, psychedelics 235 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they're the best drugs to look at consciousness and how we can perturb it 236 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I like to use this slide, but I don't hear the sound that goes with it 237 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so if you could hear this you would hear Grace Slick singing The White Rabbit, right 238 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 anyway, the ones that mother gives you don't do anything at all, but the ones Sasha gives you would probably have some effect 239 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we use the techinque called drug discrimination, the two-lever drug discrimination 240 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and it's actually a pretty good model for what these drugs do 241 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we have an operant chamber that has two levers in the front 242 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we can train the rats to press one lever or another 243 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so if we give a rat a drug, LSD in this case, what we can do is turn on the right lever 244 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and this is a trough that delivers 50mg sucrose pellets, so it's rat candy 245 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we put the rat in the box, we turn this level on, and he'll explore the box, and learn that if he presses this lever he gets a food pellet 246 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if he presses the left lever, nothing happens, we turn if off 247 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the next day we put the rat in, we turn on the left lever, and we give him nothing, placebo 248 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and he presses the right lever, nothing happens, he presses the left lever he gets food pellets 249 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the next day we give him LSD, we put him back in, we turn on the right lever, we give him food pellets if he presses the right lever 250 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it takes 2-3 months to train rats to do this, but once you do, the rat will recognise very reliably the effects of a drug like LSD 251 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and when you train rats and they're really well trained they'll press to get a good pellet anywhere from 1500 to 2500 times in a 15 minute training session 252 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so they're really pressing that lever 253 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the way it works is, there's something unique about this called the third state hypothesis 254 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if you now give the rat some other drug, like amphetamine or MDMA, and he's been trained with LSD, he won't respond on the LSD lever, he'll respond on the non-drug lever 255 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so they uniquely recognise the drug they were trained with 256 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so if we give this rat a drug that we've made that we think might have activity like LSD, and we've trained them on the right lever 257 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 he presses the right lever, he's telling us "I think you gave me LSD" 258 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and if he doesn't press it, he presses the left lever, "I don't think you gave it to me" 259 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we always tested our compounds after we started using this in about 1984 260 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we've tested our compounds with drug discrimination, and it actually is a fairly good assay 261 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this is just a correlation that I put together some years ago where we look at the relative potency compared with LSD in rats 262 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and relative potency compared to LSD in humans 263 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the numbers aren't exact but you see here the ETH-LAD compound we made which is more potent than LSD in humans 264 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's also more potent in rats 265 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we have a relative potency of about 185 which is exaggerated compared to its actualy potency which is around 140 times LSD 266 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 LSD is 100, DOB 2.37, DOI 9.26, psilocin 2.61, MDMA 2.4, mescaline .06 267 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so there's a good general correlation 268 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this assay works well, but will sometimes give you false positive, so it will sometimes tell you something is active when in humans it may not be active 269 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but it was a mainstay of all the biological work in animals that we did and it served us well 270 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 now I'm gonna talk about a compound that we worked with some time ago that some of you may of heard of called 25I-NBOMe 271 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that's an extremely potent compound, there have actually been a couple of deaths from overdose 272 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this stuff the dose of it is about 500 micrograms, 200-500 micrograms 273 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 people have gotten hold of a pure powder, they insufflate it up their nose and die 274 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and I'm just going to tell you how we did a little bit of work with this before it actually came out as a so-called research chemical 275 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a German fellow called Rolf Heim (?) had published that these compounds with an N-benzyl were very potent 276 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we were interested into whether they would actually have psychedelic-type effects 277 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so here's a compound called 2,5-dimethoxy phenethylamine, it's basically inactive in humans but we used it as a model for early studies 278 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this is the affinity, which is how tightly it sticks to the receptor, so 300nM is not a particularly potent compound 279 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if you put an N-methyl on this compound, you see it gets even worse, you see it gets up to 1900 280 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's even less effective in binding 281 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 add an N-propyl, which is even larger, there's about comparable decreased affinity 282 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so if you put something onto the nitrogen of these phenethylamines, generally it ruins their activity 283 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if you take DOB and you put a methyl on it, almost kills the activity 284 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 2C-B, you put a methyl on it, almost kills the activity 285 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 by contrast, when you put an N-benzyl on, the affinity goes from 380 to 68 nM 286 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and if you put a methoxy over here, it goes to 2.8nM 287 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so this is really curious; you put stuff onto the nitrogen, the activity goes down, way down 288 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but if you put on a benzyl or a methoxy-benzyl, it goes up 289 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and this compound with an iodo is the 25-I-NBOME, and the affinity in this case 0.04 nM, so it's a super potent compound 290 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we did a lot of work trying to model the receptor, and our earliest work with an activated model of rhodopsin 291 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which we converted into a serotonin 2a receptor 292 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and this is something in March of 2013, the crystal structure of the human serotonin 2b receptor was published 293 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this shows it with ergotamine bound, which is the way it was crystallised 294 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we've now converted that into a homology model, this is now the serotonin 2a receptor 295 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and this is LSD bound 296 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we now have a very good receptor model to go in and look at what these things actually do 297 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so early on, after doing some virtual computer docking with this N-benzyl compound, it appeared to us that the N-benzyl, which is right here 298 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this thing that's in spheres is the N-benzyl compound 299 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and these things that are labelled here are the residues that are in the active site, the binding site of the serotonin 2a receptor 300 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we docked it in virtually, we saw that this N-benzyl groups appeared to be interacting with phenylalanine 339 301 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as a kind of edge-to-face interaction 302 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we thought, let's mutate all these residues and see if that assumption if that assumption or that hypothesis is true 303 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we mutated that phenylalanine to leucine 304 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so phenylalanine is like a benzene ring, it's aromatic 305 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 leucine is just a series of aliphatic carbon atoms, you lose the aromatic character which is necessary for these rings to stack if it binds in the receptor 306 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but it still keeps some hydrophobicity 307 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so when we looked at the mutated receptor, where that phenylalanine was mutated, now we put those compounds in, we saw the affinity drop from 380 to 4200 308 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so about a tenfold drop in affinity, about a fivefold drop in affinity and in this case a sixfold drop in affinity 309 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so that didn't tell us anything, but when we looked at the N-benzyl, you see when we did the same mutation we got a 40-fold drop in affinity, and a 500-fold loss in affinity with the methoxy-phenyl 310 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so this was strong was strong evidence that that residue, phenylalanine 339, was interacting with the N-benzyl group 311 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 now with our new model now, we're trying to dock these compounds in and get a better idea of how exactly they're fitting into the receptor 312 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 one of the other things we did though was to try to discover what shape that molecule might have when it bound to the serotonin 2a receptor 313 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we made a whole series of compounds, so here's a compound 2C-B, its affinity is about 6nM in a series of experiments, and here's the N-methoxy-benzyl-2C-B, about .2nM 314 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so you can see the increase in potency, 6 down to .2 315 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we use this is a model because the bromine atom was easier to get on than the iodine, so we made most of our compounds with bromine 316 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and I had a fairly large group of students so I assigned each student one of these molecules 317 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I said let's make all the possible combinations of 2C-B with the N-benzyl group attached 318 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so in each one of these although it's not immediately obvious, they all have the equivalent of an N-benzyl 319 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so here's the 2C-B nitrogen, and here's the N-bencyl 320 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 here's the 2C-B nitrogen with the N-benzyl 321 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 here's the 2C-B nitrogen and the N-benzyl is over here 322 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 here's the N-benzyl down here 323 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this one is a little harder to see, 2C-B is here, here's the N-benzyl 324 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 2C-B is here with the N-benzyl 325 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then this one substituted, this is this so they're on the same side of the ring, and this is trans on the opposite side of the ring 326 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the affinities for this compound is 2.6nM 327 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we actually crysallised this into its stereoisomers, this is a pure stereoisomer, and this is the one that's most active 328 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so though we don't strike the .2nM affinity, if you look at these, 70, 2000, 160, 170, 300, 800, 800, 2.8 329 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we're pretty sure that that represents the shape that these N-benzyl compounds mainatin when they bind to the receptor 330 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we're doing docking studies now to see how that fits into the receptor 331 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we get a better understanding of how this super potent compound can activate the receptor 332 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so what I did when I changed my talk was to cut out the back end and talk about research chemicals 333 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and I don't think anybody here at this conference is talking about research chemicals 334 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so I thought that this we should really spend some time on because a lot of people are taking these 335 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they don't know what they are , they don't know where they came from 336 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and a lot of young people their first experience with a psychedelic-type compound is one of these research chemicals 337 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and there are several kinds of research chemicals that we could talk about 338 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the psychedelics, the entheogens, the psychostimulants that are like amphetamine, or entactogens or empathogens 339 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 depending on what you prefer 340 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 synthetic cannabinoids, and I'll briefly talk about those 341 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and ketamine analogues, there are one or two of those out there, I'm not going to spend time on those 342 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but there is a methoxy-substituted ketamine analogue out there that people seem to be using quite a bit 343 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 also I'd point out that this paper just came out, I just got it for review a week ago, showing that lifetime use of psychedelics in the US population in 2010 is over 30 million people 344 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that includes LSD, psilocybin, mescaline and a lot of other things were not classified 345 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so there's a large number of people that are using these 346 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so psychedlics, or hallucinogens, we know they're characterised by changes in perception, thought, feeling, distortion of space 347 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 feelings of portentiousness, something important is about to happen 348 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 high doses can elicit anxiety, or psychotic behaviour 349 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 generally they have low toxicity and non-addictive 350 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 now the peculiar thing about the 25I-NBOMe compounds is they have killed people 351 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there are no overdose deaths from LSD, mescaline, psilocybin 352 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 some of these newer so-called research chemicals do have toxic properties that are not fully appreciated 353 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the psychostimulants are related to amphetamine, they produce elation and euphoria, give you energy, 354 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but their chronic use or high doses can produce depression and fatigue, dependence and continued can produce acute psychosis, amphetamine psychosis 355 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and most psychostimulants have cardiovascular effects 356 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they release norepinephrine into the circulation and that causes blood vessel constriction, and that's a major toxic problem of some of the research chemicals 357 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and entactogens also produce elation and euphoria, depending on the dose and the pharmacology 358 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 large doses or chronic use can produce depression and fatigue 359 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and high doses can also produce psychotic behaviour 360 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 people who repeatedly take large doses over short periods of time most these also have cardiovascular side effects because they release norepinephrine 361 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they cause vasoconstriction 362 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 these are different from psychostimulants, the pure amphetamine, and in the beginning when MDMA was brought out and there was a lot of publicity 363 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there were drug abuse experts who said well, MDMA is just another methamphetamine 364 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we all know today that MDMA is not just another methamphetamine 365 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we did a number of experiments in the early days to prove that MDMA was not just another amphetamine or methamphetamine 366 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we also proved it wasn't another psychedelic amphetamine, that it had a specific category 367 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and many of you know that I created this name entactogens so set them off as a specific class of drugs 368 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so they wouldn't be lumped into the hallucinogenic amphetamine class 369 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they are dfferent; I collaborated with a fellow in Germany named Wilfred Dimpfel who planted electrodes in the brains of rats 370 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 give them different drugs and then we'd characterise the power spectra 371 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so frontal cortex, hippocampus, striatum and reticular formation 372 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then separated these into six frequency bins, and could do pattern recognition 373 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 now clearly here's amphetamine, LSD and MDA, and although there's some similarities, each one is unique 374 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and so it's possible to show that electically in the rat brain they also were distinct and that ... psychostimulants were different from entactogens and also psychedelics 375 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so most of the research chemicals target receptors or reuptake sites for monoamines 376 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we talk about the phenethylamine type, typically they're interacting with targets for serotonin, dopamine or norepinephrine 377 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and depends on the substituents on the aromatic ring what kind of pharmacology you will actually get 378 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so we had the G-protein coupled recptor and this would include the serotonin 2a receptor showed you earlier 379 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 these seven transmembrane helices bound together, they couple to intracellular signalling 380 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, cannabinoid receptors that are all members of this GPCR family 381 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we have things that interact with reuptake transporters 382 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so after transmitters are released from the nerve terminal, there are specific protein that pump the transmitter back in to conserve it, reuse it 383 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we have reuptake transporters for dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin 384 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and things like cocaine block these transporters so they can't transport at all 385 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 MDMA and amphetamine actually get inside the substrates for the transporter 386 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 once they get inside, they displace the stored dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine 387 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and it spills out in the reverse direction through the transporter 388 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ketamine and some of the others interact with what is called an ionotropic receptor, a glutamate receptor 389 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and I'm not going to spend any time on those but that's a third kind of target 390 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so the reserch chemicals typically they hit either this or this 391 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the psychostimulants and entactogens they're principally interacting with the reuptake transporters 392 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the psychedelics and cannabinoids they're principally interacting with a GPCR 393 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a G-protein coupled receptor 394 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in terms of preclinical characterisation, we work with a lot of these in the lab 395 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 hallucinogens have affinity for serotonin 2a receptors, and in drug discrimination in LSD-trained rats we get generalisation 396 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999