1 00:00:19,853 --> 00:00:23,119 A long time ago, I tried to be a mathematician. 2 00:00:23,119 --> 00:00:24,474 I didn't succeed very well, 3 00:00:24,474 --> 00:00:28,701 but I was studying strange spaces and surfaces. 4 00:00:29,041 --> 00:00:30,945 The term "hyper-reflective space" 5 00:00:30,945 --> 00:00:33,861 probably doesn't mean anything to most of you, 6 00:00:33,861 --> 00:00:36,780 but an example I remember is a sphere 7 00:00:36,780 --> 00:00:40,811 in which the distance, if you go right through it to the other side, 8 00:00:40,811 --> 00:00:45,274 is exactly the same as the distance you would walk if you'd go around it. 9 00:00:45,274 --> 00:00:46,754 (Laughter) 10 00:00:46,754 --> 00:00:49,767 This is obviously impossible; on Earth this would not work. 11 00:00:50,605 --> 00:00:52,964 But in math these things are possible. 12 00:00:53,224 --> 00:00:56,262 And the amazing thing is, once you start working on that 13 00:00:56,262 --> 00:00:59,250 and thinking about it day and night, on and on, 14 00:00:59,250 --> 00:01:01,056 after a while it becomes possible. 15 00:01:01,136 --> 00:01:03,623 Your mind makes these things possible. 16 00:01:03,623 --> 00:01:07,264 And you see a space where those things work. 17 00:01:07,924 --> 00:01:12,114 And then, the next step is easy: oh, why not? 18 00:01:12,784 --> 00:01:17,095 And maybe there are aspects of our reality that are like that. 19 00:01:17,205 --> 00:01:21,503 Let's try and find some; why wouldn't we then investigate that? 20 00:01:21,811 --> 00:01:24,708 And so, utopian visions, they are a bit like that. 21 00:01:24,748 --> 00:01:26,798 Maybe that's why I like them so much. 22 00:01:26,928 --> 00:01:33,017 Utopian visions, they have this provocative novelty 23 00:01:33,017 --> 00:01:34,705 with respect to where we are now, 24 00:01:34,935 --> 00:01:39,498 and they make you think, well, what if this could be possible, 25 00:01:39,661 --> 00:01:42,056 and then, why not, why wouldn't we try? 26 00:01:42,219 --> 00:01:44,648 So, who would have thought, and definitely not me, 27 00:01:44,648 --> 00:01:46,431 that now, years and years and years - 28 00:01:46,431 --> 00:01:50,115 I'm talking about 30 years after these mathematics experiences - 29 00:01:50,475 --> 00:01:54,250 the visionary thinking and these utopian visions, 30 00:01:54,250 --> 00:01:58,756 they are really the stuff I'm working with every day in the Commission. 31 00:01:58,846 --> 00:02:01,987 So, novel ideas, radical things, 32 00:02:01,987 --> 00:02:04,727 a "wow-factor" to make you fall off your chair; 33 00:02:04,727 --> 00:02:06,989 that's the bread and butter of my research. 34 00:02:06,989 --> 00:02:09,509 Not my research, but my work in the Commission. 35 00:02:09,509 --> 00:02:13,928 I've done research as well before on wow-factors, but that's another thing. 36 00:02:13,928 --> 00:02:17,855 So, indeed in the Commission we received in that program 37 00:02:17,855 --> 00:02:21,454 that was just mentioned, FET, Future and Emerging Technologies, 38 00:02:21,454 --> 00:02:24,024 - I've worked there for 10–12 years now - 39 00:02:25,574 --> 00:02:29,794 we receive proposals with these crazy ideas, 40 00:02:29,794 --> 00:02:32,594 on average, two - three per day. 41 00:02:33,054 --> 00:02:39,354 So, in the ten years, I think, I can say I've seen a couple of thousands of them. 42 00:02:39,504 --> 00:02:43,116 Can you imagine, a couple of thousand crazy ideas? 43 00:02:43,235 --> 00:02:46,270 Not all crazy, not all equally breakthrough, 44 00:02:46,270 --> 00:02:48,190 not all equally realistic, 45 00:02:48,190 --> 00:02:51,987 but things that make you think, things where you say, "Wow!" 46 00:02:52,257 --> 00:02:55,266 Now, don't ask me to name the individuals, 47 00:02:55,306 --> 00:02:58,858 but what sticks in the mind is how it all fits together, 48 00:02:58,904 --> 00:03:05,498 what are the big schemes that come out of these different proposals. 49 00:03:06,796 --> 00:03:11,104 So, 500 years ago, every speaker will probably repeat this, 50 00:03:12,024 --> 00:03:13,484 "Utopia." 51 00:03:13,914 --> 00:03:16,470 When Thomas More wrote this, 52 00:03:17,410 --> 00:03:20,030 there wasn't much of technology around, 53 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,420 but it reminds me of something that I received this morning 54 00:03:24,547 --> 00:03:28,789 and I have a suspicion - ah, indeed - 55 00:03:29,299 --> 00:03:34,535 Thomas More sent his "Utopia" as a proposal to my program. 56 00:03:35,112 --> 00:03:38,545 He's looking for money. Hm, would we fund it? 57 00:03:38,565 --> 00:03:40,359 Let's see. Let's have a look. 58 00:03:41,249 --> 00:03:43,141 Oh, my God, this doesn't look good. 59 00:03:43,751 --> 00:03:46,713 No deliverables, no timeline, 60 00:03:47,623 --> 00:03:49,582 resource table missing, 61 00:03:49,693 --> 00:03:50,833 (Laughter) 62 00:03:50,833 --> 00:03:54,011 collaborative research among - what is it? - three member states 63 00:03:54,011 --> 00:03:57,953 or associated countries, the third country is called "Utopia?" 64 00:03:57,953 --> 00:04:01,346 I couldn't find it in my databases, it probably doesn't exist. 65 00:04:01,346 --> 00:04:03,633 This is a hoax, no, this cannot be true. 66 00:04:03,633 --> 00:04:06,710 So, no, no way, we should not fund this kind of stuff. 67 00:04:07,268 --> 00:04:09,485 Of course, that's the cynical answer. 68 00:04:09,485 --> 00:04:12,831 Cynical answer in how you imagine maybe how we work. 69 00:04:12,991 --> 00:04:17,514 But if the question would be: Should this kind of work be funded, 70 00:04:17,724 --> 00:04:19,476 and are we funding it? 71 00:04:19,476 --> 00:04:21,682 Then my answer's definitely "Yes." 72 00:04:21,682 --> 00:04:25,171 We need more attention to utopian thinking, 73 00:04:25,171 --> 00:04:27,914 other than the nitty-gritty kind of innovation work 74 00:04:27,914 --> 00:04:31,181 that we now do much too often in our projects. 75 00:04:32,731 --> 00:04:35,239 That's really what the work of me 76 00:04:35,239 --> 00:04:37,989 and the colleagues that I work with is all about: 77 00:04:37,989 --> 00:04:40,537 to come up with more of these visions. 78 00:04:40,537 --> 00:04:42,837 It's incredibly important. 79 00:04:42,837 --> 00:04:46,657 It was already said in the introduction: Today, more than ever, 80 00:04:46,657 --> 00:04:50,454 we need alternatives to the status-quo of our societies. 81 00:04:50,664 --> 00:04:53,726 If not, we will be prone to populist things, 82 00:04:53,726 --> 00:04:56,764 we will have only a few alternatives to think about, 83 00:04:56,764 --> 00:05:00,026 we will not inspire the young to explore new directions, and so on. 84 00:05:00,026 --> 00:05:02,861 So, it's extremely important to do that. 85 00:05:03,421 --> 00:05:06,122 And of course, when More wrote his "Utopia," 86 00:05:06,122 --> 00:05:09,000 he didn't have so much technological elements, 87 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,953 so he had to use the tools that he had. 88 00:05:11,953 --> 00:05:16,883 And the tools at that time, for him, were laws, institutions, social practices. 89 00:05:16,883 --> 00:05:20,001 So he described his Utopia in those terms. 90 00:05:20,401 --> 00:05:24,287 Today it's very different, we have mass technologies, 91 00:05:24,287 --> 00:05:29,265 and they are, to a large extent, the ways that shape our societies. 92 00:05:29,355 --> 00:05:32,842 We have to take that aspect now completely on board, 93 00:05:32,842 --> 00:05:36,027 and create completely new utopian visions 94 00:05:36,027 --> 00:05:40,712 that are both societal, and take those tools that More used, 95 00:05:40,712 --> 00:05:45,833 but that also take technologies as a shaping power into account. 96 00:05:45,833 --> 00:05:47,041 And in fact, they do. 97 00:05:47,041 --> 00:05:51,288 I mean, our current democracies wouldn't work without printing, 98 00:05:51,288 --> 00:05:55,479 without fast communication, without transport, it simply doesn't fit. 99 00:05:55,479 --> 00:05:58,627 And when technologies change, societies change, 100 00:05:58,627 --> 00:06:00,601 and then, the policies have to follow. 101 00:06:00,601 --> 00:06:03,567 For the moment that's what they do; they always scramble behind 102 00:06:03,567 --> 00:06:07,650 because there is no anticipative thinking of what the world might be like. 103 00:06:07,650 --> 00:06:13,509 And so, thinking about these Utopias in a constructive and proactive way 104 00:06:13,509 --> 00:06:16,256 is something that we dearly need. 105 00:06:16,256 --> 00:06:19,974 Now, the link between utopias and technology is not new. 106 00:06:19,974 --> 00:06:22,103 There are many examples around. 107 00:06:23,013 --> 00:06:27,174 This is the focus that we take in the program that I work for: 108 00:06:27,174 --> 00:06:30,608 What are these utopian visions inspired by technology 109 00:06:30,608 --> 00:06:35,123 that are sometimes, and often, dystopian - Big Brother is a well-known example, 110 00:06:35,123 --> 00:06:38,142 and Thomas More would have been more than happy to incorporate 111 00:06:38,142 --> 00:06:42,339 Big Brother's visions into his Utopia, because it fits perfectly. 112 00:06:42,339 --> 00:06:46,357 But he didn't have those things at that time, so, that's one thing. 113 00:06:46,357 --> 00:06:49,307 What are some of these things? 114 00:06:49,307 --> 00:06:52,674 We are way behind now the age of the machines, 115 00:06:52,674 --> 00:06:56,862 we are now in much more sophisticated machines, and the best known example, 116 00:06:56,862 --> 00:06:58,557 is of course, is the computer. 117 00:06:59,017 --> 00:07:02,523 If I look at many of these ideas that we receive, 118 00:07:03,522 --> 00:07:07,730 then there is an underlying assumption that comes in a few variations, 119 00:07:07,730 --> 00:07:09,278 that is really very important. 120 00:07:10,534 --> 00:07:16,744 The button to reset your world comes actually from Telecom Italia advertisement 121 00:07:16,744 --> 00:07:19,483 where they had that in a newspaper. 122 00:07:19,483 --> 00:07:20,883 Now, I saw that and, well, 123 00:07:20,883 --> 00:07:24,739 the underlying assumption there is really, that the world is a kind of a computer, 124 00:07:24,739 --> 00:07:29,584 that you can push a button and reset it like your laptop or anything else. 125 00:07:29,875 --> 00:07:32,692 This comes in many variations: the world as a computer. 126 00:07:32,692 --> 00:07:34,610 Can you think of the world as a computer 127 00:07:34,610 --> 00:07:37,256 without necessarily claiming that it is a computer? 128 00:07:37,286 --> 00:07:41,840 This is inspiring you by the word "computer" to study the world. 129 00:07:42,630 --> 00:07:45,669 A bit more sophisticated is the world in a computer. 130 00:07:45,669 --> 00:07:48,665 Many, many projects, and project proposals for that matter, 131 00:07:48,665 --> 00:07:50,355 that we receive are about that; 132 00:07:50,355 --> 00:07:53,840 about every discipline that is currently studied in science 133 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,438 has its computational variety: computational biology, 134 00:07:57,438 --> 00:08:01,182 computational economy, computational "x", computational anything. 135 00:08:01,412 --> 00:08:04,721 That is all that you can do, all those things are also in a computer. 136 00:08:04,721 --> 00:08:09,767 But the most fundamental one is to claim that the world is a computer. 137 00:08:09,887 --> 00:08:13,601 And in the true sense, namely it's not a machine, but a computer, 138 00:08:13,601 --> 00:08:16,224 and the difference is that the computer is programmable, 139 00:08:16,224 --> 00:08:20,005 it's a general programmable machine, right? 140 00:08:20,005 --> 00:08:23,931 So, if you take that then it means that you can program the world. 141 00:08:23,931 --> 00:08:26,771 The world, this world, you can program it. 142 00:08:26,771 --> 00:08:30,253 And if we could understand how we would be able to create our future, 143 00:08:30,253 --> 00:08:35,914 because the only thing that this world that is a computer computes is the future. 144 00:08:35,914 --> 00:08:38,431 Every time, tik-tik-tik, it computes its future. 145 00:08:38,431 --> 00:08:41,779 So, if you'd be able to program it, you could steer the future. 146 00:08:41,779 --> 00:08:45,543 These are underlying visions that we really see in our programme, 147 00:08:45,543 --> 00:08:51,517 often made explicit in bits and pieces, rarely on the whole made explicit. 148 00:08:51,517 --> 00:08:53,947 But it's important to capture them, I think. 149 00:08:54,477 --> 00:08:57,345 Another one is the NBIC-Convergence. 150 00:08:57,345 --> 00:09:01,195 This is an old one: It's 15 years or older, it comes from the US, 151 00:09:01,195 --> 00:09:04,967 and much of Silicon Valley still strives on this kind of idea. 152 00:09:05,157 --> 00:09:08,536 It's the idea that at the lowest level of the building blocks - 153 00:09:08,536 --> 00:09:12,556 of neurons, materials, thinking and so on - 154 00:09:12,986 --> 00:09:16,377 the things become interchangeable if you do it right. 155 00:09:16,467 --> 00:09:20,479 So, you could replace a human neuron by a chip, 156 00:09:20,479 --> 00:09:24,522 assuming it has exactly the same functionality, it will not matter to you. 157 00:09:24,522 --> 00:09:28,267 Then, this interchangeability between bits, atoms, neurons, genes - 158 00:09:28,267 --> 00:09:31,170 BANG, as we sometimes call it as well - 159 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,643 is the underlying thing there. 160 00:09:34,763 --> 00:09:37,775 Lots of projects trying to materialise that. 161 00:09:37,775 --> 00:09:41,538 And it leads to things that are not only human repair, 162 00:09:41,538 --> 00:09:45,697 which is what a lot of it is inspired for, for the medical care, 163 00:09:45,697 --> 00:09:49,234 but also human augmentation; making people better. 164 00:09:49,234 --> 00:09:52,909 This is an example of a project where we really managed to, not we, 165 00:09:52,909 --> 00:09:56,532 but people really managed to put a bi-directional link with feeling 166 00:09:56,532 --> 00:10:01,057 unto a human prosthesis, a world-first that was done. 167 00:10:01,673 --> 00:10:04,540 A bit more crazy and more recent is this kind of thing: 168 00:10:04,540 --> 00:10:07,602 hyper-interaction, connected brain, read-write brain. 169 00:10:07,962 --> 00:10:10,107 Lots of projects that we now see 170 00:10:10,107 --> 00:10:13,354 are starting to look at how to get information out of the brain, 171 00:10:13,754 --> 00:10:16,724 and that's getting more or less easy, technologically. 172 00:10:16,724 --> 00:10:18,489 Interpreting it remains difficult, 173 00:10:18,489 --> 00:10:20,697 but also how to get information into the brain. 174 00:10:20,747 --> 00:10:22,531 And the vision that is behind that, 175 00:10:22,531 --> 00:10:26,789 for instance, is direct brain-to-brain communication; no censors, no wires, 176 00:10:26,789 --> 00:10:30,115 no language, no whatever, maybe a cable or wireless, 177 00:10:30,115 --> 00:10:32,176 and my thinking goes into your heads. 178 00:10:32,176 --> 00:10:35,830 I don't have to stand talking here, you already know what I'm going to say, 179 00:10:35,830 --> 00:10:39,246 because - swoosh - our brains communicate. 180 00:10:40,064 --> 00:10:42,913 This is done in projects with the real results 181 00:10:42,913 --> 00:10:46,248 published in very high-level journals, so in all these things you see 182 00:10:46,248 --> 00:10:51,753 the co-evolution of the science, the technology, and the proof of concept: 183 00:10:51,753 --> 00:10:55,580 making it work in a very simple way, but at least making the case 184 00:10:55,580 --> 00:10:58,770 that it could work in a very general sense. 185 00:10:58,770 --> 00:11:03,523 So, that's the vision to show the ambition of some of our projects. 186 00:11:03,523 --> 00:11:08,058 Synthetic life: this is a project that is now over, project BION, 187 00:11:08,058 --> 00:11:11,011 where it was tried to build a synthetic snail. 188 00:11:11,011 --> 00:11:15,784 And I don't mean a simulated snail, but a real physical thing 189 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,149 that is made of polymers and all kind of stuff, 190 00:11:19,149 --> 00:11:23,082 and that behaves as a snail, that is really alive like a snail. 191 00:11:23,082 --> 00:11:25,773 And if you can do a snail, maybe you can do other things, 192 00:11:25,773 --> 00:11:27,267 and maybe you can go on and on. 193 00:11:27,267 --> 00:11:28,940 This idea of a synthetic life 194 00:11:28,940 --> 00:11:32,220 is fairly new in terms of concrete results. 195 00:11:32,220 --> 00:11:35,448 There have been things on small cells, and things like that, 196 00:11:35,448 --> 00:11:40,504 but to do it on complex device, on complex beings 197 00:11:40,504 --> 00:11:43,561 is something that is fairly new. 198 00:11:44,134 --> 00:11:48,395 Expanding from that, and these are labels that I put there: 199 00:11:48,395 --> 00:11:53,196 the Hybrid nature, Gaia++, inspired by plants. 200 00:11:53,256 --> 00:11:55,726 These are robots that behave like plants. 201 00:11:55,726 --> 00:11:58,776 Who would think of a plant as a robot? 202 00:11:59,186 --> 00:12:04,649 But these are actually moving, they find their way, find water, and so on. 203 00:12:04,649 --> 00:12:09,757 And in fact, it turns out that there was a wave of projects, uncoordinated, 204 00:12:09,757 --> 00:12:12,772 of people proposing ideas inspired by plants. 205 00:12:12,772 --> 00:12:17,253 Plant biology became the discipline that suddenly popped-up in our projects. 206 00:12:17,253 --> 00:12:18,606 Never seen before. 207 00:12:18,856 --> 00:12:21,608 So, you see that there are things in the world that happen 208 00:12:21,608 --> 00:12:24,542 and then - pop - these visions, they crystallize. 209 00:12:25,162 --> 00:12:28,324 And then, there are what I call "Les accidents de parcours," 210 00:12:28,324 --> 00:12:32,388 that sometimes visions disappear, they merge, they do all kind of things. 211 00:12:32,388 --> 00:12:36,117 I'm not going to the details of this but you can analyse those things, 212 00:12:36,117 --> 00:12:40,071 that's what we also do: You take visions like the disappearing computer, 213 00:12:40,071 --> 00:12:44,816 20 or more years old, that find their ways in different variations 214 00:12:44,816 --> 00:12:47,989 that now lead to what is now called the Internet of things, 215 00:12:47,989 --> 00:12:53,581 with certain twists, and certain things, and combinations, and splits, and so on. 216 00:12:54,131 --> 00:12:57,395 This is a very interesting work that has value in itself. 217 00:12:57,395 --> 00:13:03,026 It has value to come up with these visions and to document them, to label them, 218 00:13:03,026 --> 00:13:05,400 to create languages to describe them. 219 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:10,517 Because if you don't, if you just talk about the vision, you have no words 220 00:13:10,987 --> 00:13:12,856 to describe what those things mean. 221 00:13:12,856 --> 00:13:16,739 Even More had to invent all kinds of words that didn't exist in English 222 00:13:16,739 --> 00:13:19,517 to describe what his vision was all about. 223 00:13:19,517 --> 00:13:23,177 So that's a very interesting work, it's provocative novelty, 224 00:13:23,177 --> 00:13:27,445 deep interdisciplinarity; none of these visions comes from a single discipline, 225 00:13:27,445 --> 00:13:31,406 and I think the Golden Age of interdisciplinarity still has to come. 226 00:13:31,636 --> 00:13:35,682 That is, now the low-hanging fruit of interdisciplinarity is gone: 227 00:13:35,682 --> 00:13:38,386 a bit of inspiration here, bits of biology there, 228 00:13:38,386 --> 00:13:41,976 but the real deep collaboration that's now going to happen. 229 00:13:41,976 --> 00:13:45,570 Then, they are dynamic entities, they change, they can be adapted, 230 00:13:45,570 --> 00:13:48,471 and I think, most important, they have sweeping implications - 231 00:13:48,471 --> 00:13:52,012 that's something we in Europe can learn something about. 232 00:13:52,012 --> 00:13:55,988 If you think about a company like Google: There's a core technology 233 00:13:56,281 --> 00:13:59,313 and then it's applied sweepingly all over the place. 234 00:13:59,313 --> 00:14:01,305 I've called it "sweeping innovation." 235 00:14:01,305 --> 00:14:04,884 It's not just applied there, or there, or there -huh! - suddenly cars. 236 00:14:04,884 --> 00:14:06,895 "My God, why does Google start doing cars?" 237 00:14:06,895 --> 00:14:08,813 But if you think about it, it's obvious. 238 00:14:08,813 --> 00:14:10,895 Why do they do that, and why they do that? 239 00:14:10,895 --> 00:14:13,396 It's a huge diversity of things in which they invest, 240 00:14:13,396 --> 00:14:15,913 but the core technology is what they have. 241 00:14:15,913 --> 00:14:21,270 So, this brings me to my own Utopia, if you want. 242 00:14:21,270 --> 00:14:25,996 My own Utopia is that there is a revival of working on utopian visions, 243 00:14:25,996 --> 00:14:29,483 like I and my colleagues do within the European Commission 244 00:14:29,483 --> 00:14:30,543 and in other places. 245 00:14:30,543 --> 00:14:34,784 Because it's by doing those and putting the pieces of the puzzle together 246 00:14:34,784 --> 00:14:38,329 that we see the hundreds, thousands of ideas that we receive, 247 00:14:38,329 --> 00:14:41,276 that you can crystalise these alternatives for today. 248 00:14:41,486 --> 00:14:46,524 And then, the narrow pipeline which innovation is today, 249 00:14:46,524 --> 00:14:50,503 where a little research result, for instance, leads to a product, 250 00:14:50,503 --> 00:14:55,299 can be replaced by a much wider, this wide arrow on the slide, 251 00:14:55,299 --> 00:14:59,202 by a much wider channel through which these visions 252 00:14:59,202 --> 00:15:02,886 actually feed the future society already today. 253 00:15:02,886 --> 00:15:06,925 So, these are really tools to work and to create futures. 254 00:15:06,925 --> 00:15:09,292 And I think that is my own dream, 255 00:15:09,292 --> 00:15:13,119 and that's, I think, why I'm still motivated to work there. 256 00:15:13,119 --> 00:15:16,023 I'm going to stop here, thank you, because now I have to reply 257 00:15:16,023 --> 00:15:19,009 to Thomas More and see what he thinks about it. 258 00:15:19,009 --> 00:15:22,238 (Applause)