1 00:00:12,494 --> 00:00:17,392 Every individual needs energy to live and to make his body work. 2 00:00:17,611 --> 00:00:24,006 You, I, that refugee in Syria, each of us needs energy. 3 00:00:24,136 --> 00:00:26,646 The amount of energy that we need, 4 00:00:26,646 --> 00:00:32,141 I can express it as a definite quantity: 25 cl of petrol. 5 00:00:32,708 --> 00:00:36,925 This is the energy equivalent that we consume and need daily. 6 00:00:37,295 --> 00:00:42,894 Our society, our civilisation has developed a set of technologies 7 00:00:42,894 --> 00:00:48,957 that enables us to guarantee our comfort but actually consumes much more energy. 8 00:00:49,410 --> 00:00:52,354 So, first, we produce waste: 9 00:00:52,354 --> 00:00:59,021 each of us produces 2 kg of waste daily, 30% of which is organic waste, 10 00:00:59,032 --> 00:01:04,156 that is, the residue of the food we eat, 11 00:01:04,156 --> 00:01:06,667 the food that Nature gives us. 12 00:01:08,121 --> 00:01:14,240 We consume energy: 5 litres of petrol is the daily average in Switzerland. 13 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:17,264 The problem is that we burn it 14 00:01:17,264 --> 00:01:20,434 and, as a result, it releases CO2: 15 00:01:20,434 --> 00:01:22,274 14 kg every day. 16 00:01:22,684 --> 00:01:26,744 Fourteen kilos per day, imagine if it were solid, 17 00:01:26,744 --> 00:01:32,047 you'd have to leave home each morning with two packs of six bottles of water 18 00:01:32,067 --> 00:01:34,445 and put them on the pavement. 19 00:01:34,665 --> 00:01:39,776 Fourteen kilos per day ... Luckily, it is a gas. 20 00:01:39,776 --> 00:01:42,606 So it dissipates into the atmosphere, we don't see it. 21 00:01:42,606 --> 00:01:45,387 Too often we tend to forget 22 00:01:45,403 --> 00:01:47,696 that it keeps on accumulating in the atmosphere. 23 00:01:47,873 --> 00:01:50,368 We ourselves don't feel it, 24 00:01:50,368 --> 00:01:55,328 but Teddy-x here is already seeing its effect. 25 00:01:55,659 --> 00:01:59,054 We thought it was important to save Teddy-x 26 00:01:59,054 --> 00:02:03,056 and come up with a solution to limit our CO2 emissions. 27 00:02:03,276 --> 00:02:05,799 To do so, we need to study the energy system. 28 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:09,731 So we took Switzerland and looked where energy was consumed. 29 00:02:09,954 --> 00:02:13,018 Forty-seven per cent of Switzerland's energy consumption 30 00:02:13,018 --> 00:02:16,775 is for keeping ourselves warm and illuminating our buildings. 31 00:02:17,753 --> 00:02:20,523 This energy consumption occurs mainly in winter 32 00:02:20,523 --> 00:02:24,443 when it's cold and we need to heat, mainly in the form of heat. 33 00:02:24,749 --> 00:02:28,395 Only 25% of our energy consumption is electricity, 34 00:02:28,395 --> 00:02:30,443 the rest is heat. 35 00:02:31,498 --> 00:02:37,947 To this 47%, I'll add transport which uses 36%, 36 00:02:38,191 --> 00:02:44,248 and our society's driving force, industry, which needs about 20%. 37 00:02:44,546 --> 00:02:48,908 Each square here represents 100 litres of petrol per inhabitant, 38 00:02:48,908 --> 00:02:56,381 and every red square represents one CO2 emission. 39 00:02:56,661 --> 00:03:00,261 When we observe cities, we see that they tend to concentrate the population. 40 00:03:00,261 --> 00:03:02,627 It is said that, in the future, 41 00:03:02,627 --> 00:03:06,803 75% of the population will live in cities. 42 00:03:06,954 --> 00:03:10,930 When it concentrates the population, it takes up space. 43 00:03:11,431 --> 00:03:17,015 In Geneva, each square metre of floor area 44 00:03:17,015 --> 00:03:21,015 equals a square metre of heated area. 45 00:03:21,248 --> 00:03:23,434 This means that energy is consumed. 46 00:03:23,434 --> 00:03:27,792 The Swiss average is 260 million litres per year 47 00:03:27,792 --> 00:03:30,462 for the population in Geneva's city centre. 48 00:03:30,462 --> 00:03:34,295 It means that one million tons of CO2 is emitted. 49 00:03:34,569 --> 00:03:38,402 Cities also produce waste, 50 00:03:38,697 --> 00:03:43,176 100,000 tons of solid waste plus 40,000 tons of organic waste, 51 00:03:43,196 --> 00:03:45,432 and they have opportunities. 52 00:03:45,734 --> 00:03:47,938 In Geneva there's the lake on the one hand, 53 00:03:47,938 --> 00:03:54,762 and on the other hand, we have the sun that shines on all our roofs. 54 00:03:55,078 --> 00:03:58,246 If we convert the amount of energy that we receive daily 55 00:03:58,246 --> 00:04:00,022 into litres of petrol, 56 00:04:00,022 --> 00:04:02,912 we can see that there are 620 million litres of petrol 57 00:04:02,912 --> 00:04:08,245 that come to our roof each year. 58 00:04:08,515 --> 00:04:12,137 We can see that there is more energy available 59 00:04:12,137 --> 00:04:14,388 than the energy that is consumed today. 60 00:04:14,388 --> 00:04:17,999 So, together with some of my colleagues and industrial partners, 61 00:04:17,999 --> 00:04:20,309 we have asked ourselves if we could make cities 62 00:04:20,309 --> 00:04:22,889 really energy-autonomous. 63 00:04:22,909 --> 00:04:26,972 'Energy-autonomous' means ideally that we would no longer emit CO2, 64 00:04:26,972 --> 00:04:30,160 we would not need to import energy, 65 00:04:30,173 --> 00:04:34,337 that we would not have to knock down all the buildings 66 00:04:34,337 --> 00:04:37,890 to rebuild them later but would use the city as it is, 67 00:04:37,890 --> 00:04:40,572 and we would not bankrupt ourselves, of course. 68 00:04:41,382 --> 00:04:42,993 So, how did we do this? 69 00:04:42,993 --> 00:04:46,754 As engineers, the first thing we do is to look at the needs. 70 00:04:46,754 --> 00:04:50,720 We don't need energy, and the best would be precisely not to need it. 71 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,209 So we look at the minimum we need. 72 00:04:54,209 --> 00:04:57,740 We call on science and thermodynamics. 73 00:04:57,993 --> 00:05:01,639 Carnot, a French scientist specialised in thermodynamics, 74 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:04,295 showed that in order to heat a building up to 21°C 75 00:05:04,295 --> 00:05:07,315 when the environment is at 0°C, 76 00:05:07,315 --> 00:05:11,405 we need to buy one unit of energy to deliver 10 of it. 77 00:05:12,048 --> 00:05:16,920 This is an important element because it can guide and motivate us. 78 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,879 Where is the motivation? 79 00:05:18,879 --> 00:05:22,442 If I look at the amount of energy I spend using a very good boiler 80 00:05:22,442 --> 00:05:26,838 that has 90% efficiency, uses gas and so burns and produces CO2, 81 00:05:26,868 --> 00:05:30,555 I realise that for the same amount of heat, that is 10 units, 82 00:05:30,555 --> 00:05:32,636 I must buy 11 units. 83 00:05:33,005 --> 00:05:34,882 Here emerges a new question: 84 00:05:34,882 --> 00:05:36,807 why do we consume 10 times more 85 00:05:36,807 --> 00:05:39,165 than the minimum indicated by thermodynamics, 86 00:05:39,165 --> 00:05:41,936 while producing CO2 on top of it? 87 00:05:42,186 --> 00:05:44,811 The answer is to be found in the heat pump. 88 00:05:44,811 --> 00:05:46,292 What is a heat pump? 89 00:05:46,292 --> 00:05:47,915 You all have a fridge at home. 90 00:05:47,915 --> 00:05:51,521 This fridge works on the following principle: 91 00:05:51,524 --> 00:05:53,039 you take electricity, 92 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:56,882 you extract heat to cool the inside of the fridge, 93 00:05:56,882 --> 00:05:58,988 and in doing that you heat your room. 94 00:05:58,988 --> 00:06:03,208 The heat pump does exactly the same: it takes the outside heat 95 00:06:03,217 --> 00:06:06,125 and with the help of electricity it increases the temperature 96 00:06:06,125 --> 00:06:08,845 in order to provide you with heat. 97 00:06:09,125 --> 00:06:10,935 Thermodynamics tells us two things. 98 00:06:10,935 --> 00:06:12,751 The first is that 99 00:06:12,751 --> 00:06:19,119 the lower the temperature at which you have to heat, 100 00:06:19,129 --> 00:06:21,780 the less energy you have to spend. 101 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,715 That's why the recommendation 102 00:06:23,715 --> 00:06:26,201 is to install low temperature heating systems 103 00:06:26,201 --> 00:06:28,176 and not high temperature ones. 104 00:06:28,326 --> 00:06:29,844 Thermodynamics also tells us 105 00:06:29,844 --> 00:06:35,224 that the higher the source temperature, in other words the environment, the better. 106 00:06:35,613 --> 00:06:38,111 The problem is finding that source. 107 00:06:38,161 --> 00:06:40,776 Cities are dense ; there are buildings everywhere, 108 00:06:40,777 --> 00:06:43,358 so it is very difficult to make only one heat pump. 109 00:06:43,358 --> 00:06:47,385 So we thought of splitting the heat pump into two: 110 00:06:47,649 --> 00:06:49,606 On one side, we will use a heat pump 111 00:06:49,606 --> 00:06:52,810 that will find the good heat sources in the environment. 112 00:06:52,810 --> 00:06:58,686 For example, if I have water in the lake, a river or underground, 113 00:06:58,695 --> 00:07:03,284 I can extract this heat and carry it where I need it. 114 00:07:03,747 --> 00:07:06,730 Then I can use a second heat pump 115 00:07:06,730 --> 00:07:10,040 which gives me exactly the temperature that I need. 116 00:07:10,225 --> 00:07:13,793 You have a heating system at low temperature, 117 00:07:13,793 --> 00:07:17,694 so you will pay less than someone who has a high temperature heating system. 118 00:07:17,694 --> 00:07:21,333 In order to carry the heat, the idea is to use the CO2. 119 00:07:21,533 --> 00:07:24,139 What we can do is use two tubes: 120 00:07:24,139 --> 00:07:28,625 one tube with CO2 in the liquid state, one tube with CO2 in the vapour state. 121 00:07:29,035 --> 00:07:32,022 We can take the steam, condense it, 122 00:07:32,092 --> 00:07:35,502 and in this way we can deliver heat, 123 00:07:35,502 --> 00:07:40,041 and we can use a heat pump to reach the temperature we need. 124 00:07:40,704 --> 00:07:45,153 Now, if someone wants to be cooled, I can take the liquid and boil it off. 125 00:07:45,615 --> 00:07:49,443 I can then cool my buildings down directly. 126 00:07:50,176 --> 00:07:52,059 Because they are connected with a pipe, 127 00:07:52,059 --> 00:07:55,070 I can also cool the building that needs to be cooled 128 00:07:55,070 --> 00:07:58,315 with the building that needs to be heated. 129 00:07:58,697 --> 00:08:01,802 This ultimately allows me to save a good amount of energy. 130 00:08:02,124 --> 00:08:06,913 Then, on the way, we can identify all the good heat sources that we have. 131 00:08:06,913 --> 00:08:10,805 For example, the waste water that leaves your house at around 20°C 132 00:08:10,805 --> 00:08:14,213 can be used to heat the buildings. 133 00:08:14,213 --> 00:08:16,163 as well as the water in the lake, 134 00:08:16,163 --> 00:08:19,623 or the water that leaves the water treatment plant, or geothermal energy. 135 00:08:19,623 --> 00:08:22,835 So now, I have a system that enables me 136 00:08:22,835 --> 00:08:26,926 to exchange energy between the different users. 137 00:08:27,237 --> 00:08:30,070 Another important element is that I use CO2. 138 00:08:30,070 --> 00:08:33,797 CO2 has a high energy density which means we don't need large pipes. 139 00:08:33,797 --> 00:08:35,969 We can insert pipes in the pavement 140 00:08:35,969 --> 00:08:41,189 and don't have to bury them because CO2 doesn't freeze. 141 00:08:41,189 --> 00:08:43,011 We don't have to go very deep. 142 00:08:43,011 --> 00:08:45,377 Therefore we can manufacture precast pavement 143 00:08:45,377 --> 00:08:49,033 that enable us to transport the energy that you need. 144 00:08:49,284 --> 00:08:53,140 So, here is a complex system that, thanks to a heat pump, 145 00:08:53,140 --> 00:08:57,767 allows us to warm up, to be directly cooled, 146 00:08:57,767 --> 00:09:01,280 that also enables refrigeration in shopping centres, for example, 147 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,794 where fridges or freezers are needed, 148 00:09:03,794 --> 00:09:08,635 that also enables us to recycle the heat of our waste when we burn it, 149 00:09:08,635 --> 00:09:12,491 and that uses all the opportunities that the environment has to offer. 150 00:09:13,044 --> 00:09:14,581 Now the question is: 151 00:09:14,581 --> 00:09:18,413 is it more efficient than the traditional system? 152 00:09:18,937 --> 00:09:20,946 To get the answer, we did a case study: 153 00:09:20,946 --> 00:09:24,086 an area in Geneva where there are offices, 154 00:09:24,086 --> 00:09:28,720 appartments, banks, shops - 155 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,366 for those who know it, it is the "Rues Basses" area. 156 00:09:31,366 --> 00:09:33,166 We calculated the amount of energy 157 00:09:33,166 --> 00:09:36,735 that is needed and used today to provide heating and cooling 158 00:09:36,735 --> 00:09:40,795 and we saw that we need 12 energy units, 159 00:09:40,795 --> 00:09:46,129 10 in the form of heat and natural gas and two in the form of electricity. 160 00:09:46,834 --> 00:09:50,635 We also saw that the natural gas is mainly used in winter, 161 00:09:50,635 --> 00:09:54,122 while electricity is used in summer for cooling. 162 00:09:55,044 --> 00:09:59,217 The same system with the CO2 network only needs two units. 163 00:09:59,217 --> 00:10:05,380 We made a factor of six in our energy consumption. 164 00:10:05,790 --> 00:10:09,982 We only need 16% of the energy that we consume today 165 00:10:09,982 --> 00:10:11,619 without changing the buildings. 166 00:10:11,619 --> 00:10:17,792 Obviously, if we insulate the buildings we will save even more. 167 00:10:17,956 --> 00:10:21,224 Of course, everybody said, 'Yes, but it's going to be too expensive'. 168 00:10:21,224 --> 00:10:24,970 And the answer is: 'Yes, it's very expensive at present. 169 00:10:24,970 --> 00:10:29,654 But in fact, the system we propose will cost less and will be profitable, 170 00:10:29,654 --> 00:10:32,813 while today's system is not profitable'. 171 00:10:32,975 --> 00:10:36,046 Now. I've almost achieved my goal, 172 00:10:36,046 --> 00:10:38,944 but I still need to provide electricity to the system 173 00:10:38,944 --> 00:10:40,908 so I am not quite self-sufficient yet. 174 00:10:40,908 --> 00:10:44,106 I have to provide electricity in winter, so now the question is: 175 00:10:44,106 --> 00:10:46,690 how do we make electricity in winter? 176 00:10:47,454 --> 00:10:51,298 We can import electricity from outside 177 00:10:51,298 --> 00:10:55,547 but then, we will emit a lot of CO2 and so lose many benefits. 178 00:10:55,957 --> 00:10:59,620 I can also use new technologies such as the gas combined cycle 179 00:10:59,620 --> 00:11:01,618 which has a better efficiency 180 00:11:01,618 --> 00:11:05,519 and emits far less CO2 because it uses natural gas. 181 00:11:05,894 --> 00:11:07,429 But I can also say, 182 00:11:07,429 --> 00:11:11,441 'Why not use renewable energies to make my heat pumps work?' 183 00:11:11,803 --> 00:11:15,287 The problem is that renewable energies are mainly available in summer. 184 00:11:15,287 --> 00:11:18,654 The sun shines a lot in the summer, far less in the winter. 185 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,470 We can also use a different kind of technology. 186 00:11:21,486 --> 00:11:24,257 The EPFL has patented a new concept 187 00:11:24,257 --> 00:11:28,287 that combines a fuel cell and a gas turbine, 188 00:11:28,287 --> 00:11:32,131 that has 80% electrical efficiency, 189 00:11:32,131 --> 00:11:34,420 much higher than the best gas power plant, 190 00:11:34,420 --> 00:11:36,870 and that separates CO2 for free. 191 00:11:36,870 --> 00:11:40,673 So now, I have some CO2 in a tube, 192 00:11:40,673 --> 00:11:43,779 and that's perfect since I already have a tube. 193 00:11:43,921 --> 00:11:46,585 I have residual heat because I'm at 80%. 194 00:11:46,585 --> 00:11:48,915 I still have 20% left which is great 195 00:11:48,915 --> 00:11:51,363 since I have the means to carry it towards my users. 196 00:11:51,363 --> 00:11:54,121 So now, my system enables me to produce electricity, 197 00:11:54,121 --> 00:11:57,664 to catch CO2 and to meet my heat needs. 198 00:11:57,674 --> 00:12:02,197 But I’m still using fossil fuel because I’m using natural gas. 199 00:12:02,548 --> 00:12:05,478 So here, we must go back to look into History 200 00:12:05,478 --> 00:12:09,868 and see what gifts Mother Nature has given us. 201 00:12:09,876 --> 00:12:12,208 In fact, Nature has given us two things. 202 00:12:12,208 --> 00:12:13,968 On the one hand, we have a treasure. 203 00:12:13,969 --> 00:12:19,259 The treasure is something that never gets refilled. 204 00:12:19,263 --> 00:12:23,153 It is there and we can only use it, and this is what we do: 205 00:12:23,153 --> 00:12:27,938 we take a part of the treasure and burn it to produce CO2. 206 00:12:28,755 --> 00:12:31,998 And Teddy-x is not very happy actually. 207 00:12:32,505 --> 00:12:36,024 What you can observe is that the reservoir has run out 208 00:12:36,024 --> 00:12:37,455 and nobody is refilling it. 209 00:12:37,455 --> 00:12:41,804 That means our children will have less than what we've received from our parents. 210 00:12:42,612 --> 00:12:46,921 We can also look at Nature’s current and savings accounts 211 00:12:46,921 --> 00:12:50,284 which are renewable energies that come in different forms. 212 00:12:50,284 --> 00:12:56,299 We have the sun, the wind, the water and the biomass. 213 00:12:56,299 --> 00:13:02,435 The biomass is much like the savings account because it is stored. 214 00:13:03,511 --> 00:13:07,207 I can therefore take the biomass and convert it into gas. 215 00:13:07,217 --> 00:13:10,536 Organic and chemical processes exist 216 00:13:10,536 --> 00:13:13,484 that enable us to convert the biomass into gas. 217 00:13:13,484 --> 00:13:17,233 When the process is not efficient, it generates heat 218 00:13:17,233 --> 00:13:22,616 and I have a tube to use that heat so it's great when I need heat. 219 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,168 As for the gas, I can use it in fuel cells. 220 00:13:27,323 --> 00:13:29,627 I’m also trying to learn from Nature. 221 00:13:29,627 --> 00:13:33,085 If I think carefully, I need energy, where do I find it? 222 00:13:33,085 --> 00:13:36,005 I find it in food which is stored energy. 223 00:13:36,005 --> 00:13:38,192 I don’t feel variations like I do with the sun 224 00:13:38,192 --> 00:13:42,017 that changes from hour to hour and from season to season. 225 00:13:42,335 --> 00:13:45,100 How did Nature do that? By photosynthesis. 226 00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:46,860 It took CO2 from the atmosphere, 227 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:50,360 used the photons coming from the sun, used water, 228 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,961 and created carbohydrates that make up my food 229 00:13:53,961 --> 00:13:56,453 and the trees as well. 230 00:13:56,764 --> 00:13:59,859 We can do the same with a technical system. 231 00:13:59,859 --> 00:14:01,429 I can take the sun, 232 00:14:01,429 --> 00:14:04,833 transform it into electricity with photovoltaic cells, 233 00:14:04,833 --> 00:14:09,846 then I can take these, CO2 and water, and create methane. 234 00:14:10,036 --> 00:14:13,707 And what I'm going to do is to take the CO2 I stored 235 00:14:13,707 --> 00:14:16,614 and create methane in the liquid state to store as well. 236 00:14:16,614 --> 00:14:18,916 It's going to become quite a complex system 237 00:14:18,916 --> 00:14:22,058 because, in the summer, I'll take liquid CO2 238 00:14:22,058 --> 00:14:27,394 to make liquid methane by means of the shining sun, 239 00:14:27,394 --> 00:14:29,682 and in the winter, I'll take the liquid methane 240 00:14:29,682 --> 00:14:31,686 and feed it into the fuel cell 241 00:14:31,686 --> 00:14:35,746 to produce the electricity that I need for heating and lighting, 242 00:14:35,746 --> 00:14:37,642 then, I'll capture the CO2, 243 00:14:37,642 --> 00:14:42,297 bring it back into my tube and convert it into liquid CO2. 244 00:14:43,254 --> 00:14:47,801 By doing so, I’ll have a system that seems very complicated, 245 00:14:47,801 --> 00:14:52,672 but don’t forget that you have many tubes coming into your houses every day. 246 00:14:52,672 --> 00:14:56,452 You have the electrical cable, the Internet cable, 247 00:14:56,452 --> 00:15:00,502 and also the drinking water and the waste water leaving your home. 248 00:15:00,502 --> 00:15:04,182 So adding a new tube is not necessarily as difficult as it seems. 249 00:15:04,196 --> 00:15:08,768 It's a system that enables us to warm up, to cool down, to refrigerate, 250 00:15:08,768 --> 00:15:10,504 to add value to all of our waste, 251 00:15:10,504 --> 00:15:15,600 and to store the solar energy produced during the summer on our roofs 252 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,013 to make it available during the winter. 253 00:15:19,747 --> 00:15:25,368 If I can do that, I'll have a system entirely autonomous in energy. 254 00:15:25,941 --> 00:15:27,292 The system I had before 255 00:15:27,292 --> 00:15:31,782 burnt a large quantity of energy to meet my needs, 256 00:15:31,782 --> 00:15:35,417 emitted a lot of CO2, and emptied my treasure. 257 00:15:35,545 --> 00:15:40,780 Today, with an investment - the installation of new infrastructure 258 00:15:40,780 --> 00:15:46,822 with heat pumps, fuel cells and storage - 259 00:15:46,822 --> 00:15:51,047 I will be able to fulfil the same needs. 260 00:15:51,357 --> 00:15:54,630 I don't need to change the buildings or to change your comfort, 261 00:15:54,630 --> 00:15:57,460 you will still have the same temperature in all your rooms. 262 00:15:57,630 --> 00:16:00,715 You will simply have solar panels on your roof, 263 00:16:00,985 --> 00:16:03,296 You will have fuel cells 264 00:16:03,296 --> 00:16:09,965 that generate electricity from the methane produced during the summer. 265 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,852 You will recycle the heat from the hot water poured in the sewer 266 00:16:14,852 --> 00:16:17,572 because you will be able to use it in your heat pumps. 267 00:16:17,572 --> 00:16:19,967 You will recycle energy from your waste, 268 00:16:19,967 --> 00:16:25,001 and in the end, in fact, you're going to export electricity, 269 00:16:25,001 --> 00:16:28,331 an electricity available on request. 270 00:16:28,341 --> 00:16:31,200 That means that you'll be able to decide when to export it 271 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,500 when you have too much, and it'll be stored as methane. 272 00:16:34,783 --> 00:16:35,979 As a point of interest, 273 00:16:35,979 --> 00:16:39,429 the storage space required for this is 10 times smaller 274 00:16:39,429 --> 00:16:45,510 than the amount of tanks we would need in all the buildings 275 00:16:45,510 --> 00:16:49,511 if we heated everything with fuel oil. 276 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,924 And that's my conclusion. 277 00:16:53,070 --> 00:16:54,960 Anyway, Teddy-x can thank us, 278 00:16:54,960 --> 00:17:00,413 because if you are able to transform cities 279 00:17:00,413 --> 00:17:04,423 into independent electricity producers without CO2 emissions, 280 00:17:04,423 --> 00:17:09,371 he may have the opportunity to find a more secure block of ice. 281 00:17:09,746 --> 00:17:11,069 Thank you very much. 282 00:17:11,069 --> 00:17:13,350 (Applause)