1 00:00:00,660 --> 00:00:04,781 I'm going to tell you about why I became a sculptor, 2 00:00:04,781 --> 00:00:06,836 and you may think that sculptors, 3 00:00:06,836 --> 00:00:12,125 well, they deal with meta, they deal with objects, 4 00:00:12,125 --> 00:00:15,083 they deal with bodies, 5 00:00:15,083 --> 00:00:19,626 but I think, really, what I care about most 6 00:00:19,626 --> 00:00:23,674 is making space, and that's what I've called this talk: 7 00:00:23,674 --> 00:00:26,281 Making Space. 8 00:00:26,281 --> 00:00:30,689 Space that exists within us, 9 00:00:30,689 --> 00:00:32,758 and without us. 10 00:00:32,758 --> 00:00:36,927 So, when I was a child, 11 00:00:36,927 --> 00:00:38,938 I don't know how many of you grew up in the '50s, 12 00:00:38,938 --> 00:00:44,350 but I was sent upstairs for an enforced rest. (Laughter) 13 00:00:44,350 --> 00:00:47,697 It's a really bad idea. I mean, after lunch, you're, you know, 14 00:00:47,697 --> 00:00:50,777 you're six, and you want to go and climb a tree. 15 00:00:50,777 --> 00:00:52,666 But I had to go upstairs, this tiny little room 16 00:00:52,666 --> 00:00:54,441 that was actually made out of an old balcony, 17 00:00:54,441 --> 00:00:59,596 so it was incredibly hot, small and light, 18 00:00:59,596 --> 00:01:03,011 and I had to lie there. It was ridiculous. 19 00:01:03,011 --> 00:01:05,619 But anyway, for some reason, I promised myself 20 00:01:05,619 --> 00:01:07,872 that I wasn't going to move, 21 00:01:07,872 --> 00:01:09,809 that I was going to do this thing that Mummy 22 00:01:09,809 --> 00:01:11,736 wanted me to do. 23 00:01:11,736 --> 00:01:15,409 And there I was, lying there in this tiny space, 24 00:01:15,409 --> 00:01:21,799 hot, dark, claustrophobic, matchbox-sized, behind my eyes, 25 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:25,864 but it was really weird, like, after this went on 26 00:01:25,864 --> 00:01:32,577 for days, weeks, months, that space would get bigger 27 00:01:32,577 --> 00:01:36,241 and darker and cooler 28 00:01:36,241 --> 00:01:41,111 until I really looked forward to that half an hour 29 00:01:41,111 --> 00:01:45,218 of enforced immobility and rest, 30 00:01:45,218 --> 00:01:49,872 and I really looked forward to going to that place 31 00:01:49,872 --> 00:01:52,434 of darkness. 32 00:01:52,434 --> 00:01:54,890 Do you mind if we do something completely different? 33 00:01:54,890 --> 00:01:56,926 Can we all just close our eyes for a minute? 34 00:01:56,926 --> 00:01:58,574 Now, this isn't going to be freaky. 35 00:01:58,574 --> 00:02:00,196 It isn't some cultic thing. (Laughter) 36 00:02:00,196 --> 00:02:03,444 It's just, it's just, I just would like us all to go there. 37 00:02:03,444 --> 00:02:05,592 So I'm going to do it too. We'll all be there together. 38 00:02:05,592 --> 00:02:09,427 So close your eyes for a minute. 39 00:02:09,427 --> 00:02:12,537 Here we are, in a space, 40 00:02:12,537 --> 00:02:20,009 the subjective, collective space of the darkness of the body. 41 00:02:20,009 --> 00:02:24,064 I think of this as the place of imagination, 42 00:02:24,064 --> 00:02:27,364 of potential, 43 00:02:27,364 --> 00:02:30,264 but what are its qualities? 44 00:02:30,264 --> 00:02:35,561 It is objectless. There are no things in it. 45 00:02:35,561 --> 00:02:41,512 It is dimensionless. It is limitless. 46 00:02:41,512 --> 00:02:46,102 It is endless. 47 00:02:46,102 --> 00:02:48,648 Okay, open your eyes. 48 00:02:48,648 --> 00:02:52,857 That's the space that I think sculpture -- 49 00:02:52,857 --> 00:02:55,925 which is a bit of a paradox, sculpture that is about 50 00:02:55,925 --> 00:02:59,269 making material propositions -- 51 00:02:59,269 --> 00:03:01,390 but I think that's the space 52 00:03:01,390 --> 00:03:06,058 that sculpture can connect us with. 53 00:03:06,058 --> 00:03:10,243 So, imagine we're in the middle of America. 54 00:03:10,243 --> 00:03:13,115 You're asleep. You wake up, 55 00:03:13,115 --> 00:03:16,462 and without lifting your head from the earth 56 00:03:16,462 --> 00:03:21,900 on your sleeping bag, you can see for 70 miles. 57 00:03:21,900 --> 00:03:25,151 This is a dry lake bed. 58 00:03:25,151 --> 00:03:29,393 I was young. I'd just finished art school. 59 00:03:29,393 --> 00:03:31,565 I wanted to do something that was working 60 00:03:31,565 --> 00:03:36,717 directly with the world, directly with place. 61 00:03:36,717 --> 00:03:39,780 This was a wonderful place, because it was a place 62 00:03:39,780 --> 00:03:41,997 where you could imagine that you were the 63 00:03:41,997 --> 00:03:44,331 first person to be there. 64 00:03:44,331 --> 00:03:49,240 It was a place where nothing very much had happened. 65 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,485 Anyway, bear with me. 66 00:03:52,485 --> 00:03:56,270 I picked up a hand-sized stone, 67 00:03:56,270 --> 00:03:58,363 threw it as far as I was able, 68 00:03:58,363 --> 00:04:00,434 it was about 22 meters. 69 00:04:00,434 --> 00:04:06,772 I then cleared all the stones within that radius 70 00:04:06,772 --> 00:04:10,574 and made a pile. 71 00:04:10,574 --> 00:04:12,978 And that was the pile, by the way. 72 00:04:12,978 --> 00:04:16,475 And then, I stood on the pile, 73 00:04:16,475 --> 00:04:20,344 and threw all of those rocks out again, 74 00:04:20,344 --> 00:04:25,562 and here is rearranged desert. 75 00:04:25,562 --> 00:04:27,540 You could say, well, it doesn't look very different 76 00:04:27,540 --> 00:04:29,659 from when he started. 77 00:04:29,659 --> 00:04:30,862 (Laughter) 78 00:04:30,862 --> 00:04:32,496 What's all the fuss about? 79 00:04:32,496 --> 00:04:33,864 In fact, Chris was worried and said, 80 00:04:33,864 --> 00:04:35,258 "Look, don't show them that slide, 81 00:04:35,258 --> 00:04:37,217 because they're just going to think you're another one of 82 00:04:37,217 --> 00:04:39,883 those crazy modern artists who doesn't do much. 83 00:04:39,883 --> 00:04:42,253 (Laughter) 84 00:04:42,253 --> 00:04:48,962 But the fact is, this is evidence 85 00:04:48,962 --> 00:04:52,497 of a living body on other bodies, 86 00:04:52,497 --> 00:04:58,336 rocks that have been the subject of geological formation, 87 00:04:58,336 --> 00:05:03,350 erosion, the action of time on objects. 88 00:05:03,350 --> 00:05:05,872 This is a place, in a way, that I just 89 00:05:05,872 --> 00:05:09,353 would like you to, in a way, look at differently 90 00:05:09,353 --> 00:05:13,024 because of this event that has happened in it, 91 00:05:13,024 --> 00:05:15,079 a human event, 92 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:18,631 and in general, it just asks us to look again 93 00:05:18,631 --> 00:05:21,190 at this world, so different from, in a way, 94 00:05:21,190 --> 00:05:24,461 the world that we have been sharing with each other, 95 00:05:24,461 --> 00:05:26,887 the technological world, 96 00:05:26,887 --> 00:05:31,581 to look again at the elemental world. 97 00:05:31,581 --> 00:05:37,290 The elemental world that we all live in is that space 98 00:05:37,290 --> 00:05:41,678 that we all visited together, the darkness of the body. 99 00:05:41,678 --> 00:05:45,343 I wanted to start again with that environment, 100 00:05:45,343 --> 00:05:49,013 the environment of the intimate, subjective space 101 00:05:49,013 --> 00:05:52,839 that each of us lives in, but from the other side 102 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,447 of appearance. 103 00:05:55,447 --> 00:05:57,871 So here is a daily activity of the studio. 104 00:05:57,871 --> 00:06:01,510 You can see I don't do much. I'm just standing there, 105 00:06:01,510 --> 00:06:04,237 again with my eyes closed, and other people 106 00:06:04,237 --> 00:06:08,764 are molding me, evidential. 107 00:06:08,764 --> 00:06:12,412 This is an indexical register of a lived moment 108 00:06:12,412 --> 00:06:15,595 of a body in time. 109 00:06:15,595 --> 00:06:21,318 Can we map that space, using the language of neutrinos 110 00:06:21,318 --> 00:06:26,104 or cosmic rays, taking the bounding condition of the body 111 00:06:26,104 --> 00:06:31,579 as its limit, but in complete reversal of, in a way, 112 00:06:31,579 --> 00:06:34,202 the most traditional Greek idea of pointing? 113 00:06:34,202 --> 00:06:37,990 In the old days they used to take a lump of Pentelic marble 114 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:42,648 and drill from the surface in order to identify the skin, 115 00:06:42,648 --> 00:06:44,100 the appearance, 116 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:47,361 what Aristotle defined as the distinction 117 00:06:47,361 --> 00:06:49,384 between substance and appearance, 118 00:06:49,384 --> 00:06:52,451 the thing that makes things visible, 119 00:06:52,451 --> 00:06:55,506 but here we're working from the other side. 120 00:06:55,506 --> 00:06:59,551 Or can we do it as an exclusive membrane? 121 00:06:59,551 --> 00:07:05,509 This is a lead case made around the space 122 00:07:05,509 --> 00:07:08,974 that my body occupied, but it's now void. 123 00:07:08,974 --> 00:07:12,848 This is a work called "Learning To See." 124 00:07:12,848 --> 00:07:19,132 It's a bit of, well, we could call it night, 125 00:07:19,132 --> 00:07:23,582 we could call it the 96 percent of gravity 126 00:07:23,582 --> 00:07:27,143 that we don't know about, dark matter, 127 00:07:27,143 --> 00:07:30,688 placed in space, anyway, another version of a human space 128 00:07:30,688 --> 00:07:33,601 in space at large, but I don't know if you can see, 129 00:07:33,601 --> 00:07:39,670 the eyes are indicated, they're closed. 130 00:07:39,670 --> 00:07:43,133 It's called "Learning To See" because it's about an object 131 00:07:43,133 --> 00:07:47,465 that hopefully works reflexively and talks about that 132 00:07:47,465 --> 00:07:51,284 vision or connection with the darkness of the body 133 00:07:51,284 --> 00:07:56,257 that I see as a space of potential. 134 00:07:56,257 --> 00:07:59,332 Can we do it another way, using the language 135 00:07:59,332 --> 00:08:02,518 of particles around a nucleus, and talk about the body 136 00:08:02,518 --> 00:08:04,448 as an energy center? 137 00:08:04,448 --> 00:08:07,506 No longer about statues, no longer having to take that 138 00:08:07,506 --> 00:08:10,567 duty of standing, the standing of a human body, 139 00:08:10,567 --> 00:08:13,897 or the standing of a statue, release it, 140 00:08:13,897 --> 00:08:18,155 allow it to be an energy field, a space in space 141 00:08:18,155 --> 00:08:24,976 that talks about human life, between becoming an entropy 142 00:08:24,976 --> 00:08:29,720 as a sort of concentration of attention, 143 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,789 a human place of possibility in space at large. 144 00:08:34,789 --> 00:08:38,565 Is there another way? 145 00:08:38,565 --> 00:08:44,664 Dark matter now placed against a horizon. 146 00:08:44,664 --> 00:08:48,699 If minds live in bodies, if bodies live in clothes, 147 00:08:48,699 --> 00:08:51,829 and then in rooms, and then in buildings, 148 00:08:51,829 --> 00:08:57,531 and then in cities, do they also have a final skin, 149 00:08:57,531 --> 00:09:00,164 and is that skin perceptual? 150 00:09:00,164 --> 00:09:02,786 The horizon. 151 00:09:02,786 --> 00:09:05,287 And is art about 152 00:09:05,287 --> 00:09:11,215 trying to imagine what lies beyond the horizon? 153 00:09:11,231 --> 00:09:19,852 Can we use, in a way, a body as an empty catalyst 154 00:09:19,852 --> 00:09:24,603 for a kind of empathy with the experience 155 00:09:24,603 --> 00:09:29,951 of space-time as it is lived, as I am standing here 156 00:09:29,951 --> 00:09:35,345 in front of you trying to feel and make a connection 157 00:09:35,345 --> 00:09:38,651 in this space-time that we are sharing, 158 00:09:38,651 --> 00:09:42,207 can we use, at it were, the memory of a body, 159 00:09:42,207 --> 00:09:45,031 of a human space in space to catalyze 160 00:09:45,031 --> 00:09:48,754 an experience, again, firsthand experience, 161 00:09:48,754 --> 00:09:51,761 of elemental time. 162 00:09:51,761 --> 00:09:56,285 Human time, industrial time, tested against 163 00:09:56,285 --> 00:09:59,281 the time of the tides, in which these memories 164 00:09:59,281 --> 00:10:04,240 of a particular body, that could be any body, 165 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:09,130 multiplied as in the time of mechanical reproduction, 166 00:10:09,130 --> 00:10:13,515 many times, placed over three square miles, 167 00:10:13,515 --> 00:10:17,169 a mile out to sea, 168 00:10:17,169 --> 00:10:21,524 disappearing, in different conditions of day and night. 169 00:10:21,524 --> 00:10:24,793 You can see this work. It's on the mouth of the Mersey, 170 00:10:24,793 --> 00:10:27,950 just outside Liverpool. 171 00:10:27,950 --> 00:10:31,415 And there you can see what a Liverpool sea looks like 172 00:10:31,415 --> 00:10:34,241 on a typical afternoon. 173 00:10:34,241 --> 00:10:36,943 The pieces appear and disappear, 174 00:10:36,943 --> 00:10:39,006 but maybe more importantly -- 175 00:10:39,006 --> 00:10:42,939 this is just looking north from the center of the installation -- 176 00:10:42,939 --> 00:10:47,276 they create a field, a field that involves 177 00:10:47,276 --> 00:10:53,038 living and the surrogate bodies in a kind of relation, 178 00:10:53,038 --> 00:10:57,999 a relation with each other and a relation with that limit, 179 00:10:57,999 --> 00:11:01,745 the edge, the horizon. 180 00:11:01,745 --> 00:11:04,247 Just moving on, is it possible, 181 00:11:04,247 --> 00:11:08,930 taking that idea of mind, body, body-building, 182 00:11:08,930 --> 00:11:12,335 to supplant the first body, 183 00:11:12,335 --> 00:11:14,315 the biological body, with the second, 184 00:11:14,315 --> 00:11:17,233 the body of architecture and the built environment. 185 00:11:17,233 --> 00:11:21,824 This is a work called "Room for the Great Australian Desert." 186 00:11:21,824 --> 00:11:23,442 It's in an undefined location 187 00:11:23,442 --> 00:11:26,523 and I've never published where it is. 188 00:11:26,523 --> 00:11:28,413 It's an object for the mind. 189 00:11:28,413 --> 00:11:31,834 I think of it as a 21st-century Buddha. 190 00:11:31,834 --> 00:11:33,764 Again, the darkness of the body, 191 00:11:33,764 --> 00:11:36,827 now held within this bunker shape 192 00:11:36,827 --> 00:11:40,311 of the minimum position that a body needs to occupy, 193 00:11:40,311 --> 00:11:42,427 a crouching body. 194 00:11:42,427 --> 00:11:45,414 There's a hole at the anus, penis level. 195 00:11:45,414 --> 00:11:48,151 There are holes at ears. There are no holes at the eyes. 196 00:11:48,151 --> 00:11:52,405 There's a slot for the mouth. It's two and a half inches thick, 197 00:11:52,405 --> 00:11:54,744 concrete with a void interior. 198 00:11:54,744 --> 00:11:58,927 Again, a site found with a completely flat 199 00:11:58,927 --> 00:12:03,623 360-degree horizon. 200 00:12:03,623 --> 00:12:07,947 This is just simply asking, again, 201 00:12:07,947 --> 00:12:12,535 as if we had arrived for the first time, 202 00:12:12,535 --> 00:12:16,671 what is the relationship of the human project 203 00:12:16,671 --> 00:12:20,784 to time and space? 204 00:12:20,784 --> 00:12:24,357 Taking that idiom of, as it were, 205 00:12:24,357 --> 00:12:29,350 the darkness of the body transferred to architecture, 206 00:12:29,350 --> 00:12:32,925 can you use architectural space not for living 207 00:12:32,925 --> 00:12:34,638 but as a metaphor, 208 00:12:34,638 --> 00:12:38,415 and use its systolic, diastolic 209 00:12:38,415 --> 00:12:43,234 smaller and larger spaces to provide a kind of 210 00:12:43,234 --> 00:12:48,906 firsthand somatic narrative for a journey through space, 211 00:12:48,906 --> 00:12:52,202 light and darkness? 212 00:12:52,202 --> 00:12:57,724 This is a work of some proportion and some weight 213 00:12:57,724 --> 00:13:02,610 that makes the body into a city, an aggregation of cells 214 00:13:02,610 --> 00:13:05,022 that are all interconnected 215 00:13:05,022 --> 00:13:09,854 and that allow certain visual access 216 00:13:09,854 --> 00:13:12,653 at certain places. 217 00:13:12,653 --> 00:13:19,356 The last work that I just wanted to share with you 218 00:13:19,356 --> 00:13:23,158 is "Blind Light," which is perhaps 219 00:13:23,158 --> 00:13:26,418 the most open work, 220 00:13:26,418 --> 00:13:28,553 and in a conference of radical openness, 221 00:13:28,553 --> 00:13:32,561 I think maybe this is as radical as I get, 222 00:13:32,561 --> 00:13:36,824 using light and water vapor as my materials. 223 00:13:36,824 --> 00:13:39,210 Here is a box 224 00:13:39,210 --> 00:13:42,752 filled at one and a half atmospheres of atmospheric pressure, 225 00:13:42,752 --> 00:13:46,791 with a cloud and with very bright light. 226 00:13:46,791 --> 00:13:50,212 As you walk towards the ever-open threshold, 227 00:13:50,212 --> 00:13:58,124 you disappear, both to yourselves and to others. 228 00:13:58,124 --> 00:14:00,280 If you hold your hand out in front of you, 229 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,134 you can't see it. 230 00:14:02,134 --> 00:14:05,400 If you look down, you can't see your feet. 231 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:12,402 You are now consciousness without an object, 232 00:14:12,402 --> 00:14:16,295 freed from the dimensionful 233 00:14:16,295 --> 00:14:22,181 and measured way in which life links us 234 00:14:22,181 --> 00:14:25,271 to the obligatory. 235 00:14:25,271 --> 00:14:30,248 But this is a space that is actually filled with people, 236 00:14:30,248 --> 00:14:32,218 disembodied voices, 237 00:14:32,218 --> 00:14:36,332 and out of that ambient environment, 238 00:14:36,332 --> 00:14:40,262 when people come close to your own body zone, 239 00:14:40,262 --> 00:14:44,325 very close, they appear to you as representations. 240 00:14:44,325 --> 00:14:46,545 When they appear close to the edge, 241 00:14:46,545 --> 00:14:51,129 they are representations, representations in which 242 00:14:51,129 --> 00:14:54,997 the viewers have become the viewed. 243 00:14:54,997 --> 00:15:00,848 For me, art is not about objects of high monetary exchange. 244 00:15:00,848 --> 00:15:06,253 It's about reasserting our firsthand experience 245 00:15:06,253 --> 00:15:09,144 in present time. 246 00:15:09,144 --> 00:15:12,585 As John Cage said, 247 00:15:12,585 --> 00:15:17,672 "We are not moving towards some kind of goal. 248 00:15:17,672 --> 00:15:22,353 We are at the goal, and it is changing with us. 249 00:15:22,353 --> 00:15:28,789 If art has any purpose, it is to open our eyes to that fact." 250 00:15:28,789 --> 00:15:30,826 Thank you very much. 251 00:15:30,826 --> 00:15:34,993 (Applause)