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It's time for Windows weekly with [br]Paul Thurrott and Mary-Jo Foley.

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I'm Father Robert Ballecer in for [br]Leo Laporte

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who is currently looking for the answers

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to life, the universe and everything

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acrossed the pond. Of course Paul Thurrott

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is the guru behind Thurrott.com the

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previewer of news, reviews and analyzes

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for tech enthusiasts. Mary-Jo Foley the

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mastermind behind ZDnet All About

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Microsoft blog. Together their here to

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bring a light to the deep cave of

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Microsoft news, like a over charged light

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bulb battery exploding in the darkness.

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Paul, Mary-Jo so good to have ya.

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(Mary-Jo laughs) thanks for having

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(Paul) It's like your introducing

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Bond villains there.

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(Mary-Jo) I know I was like Wow!

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The masterminds.

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(Paul) Master of Disaster Mary-Jo Foley.

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(Father Ballecer) Do you have a cat?

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and can you do this with your fingers?

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- I think I need that on a business card.

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If I still used business cards I would.

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That is one of those strange things.

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At these conventions that we go to [br]these shows

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we all do the business card thing and

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I've even got down the whole Asian thing

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of handing like this and a bit of a bow.

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But, um, those collect dust afterwards,

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I almost never use them.

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- No, No! I don't even have one.

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- I was going to say I think I have some,

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but I've never brought them anywhere.

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-Wait!, You two go to shows, don't you?

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It's kind of a thing, it's how you say [br]hello, right?

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- uh

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-Well now people just say, "where can

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I find you?" and I just day "All About

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Microsoft"

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- Mary-Jo and I just bump our phones

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together and say "Power twins activate."

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(Mary-Jo laughs)

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- No, I don't know every once in a while

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someone will hand me a business cards

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and I have a momentary bit of confusion,

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like I don't have one of these things,

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or I don't have it with me.

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You know I feel, it's like a weird moment.

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I feel like I need to give them something

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in return, it's like someone comes over

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with a gift and you don't have anything

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to give them.

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-Yeah, that's what it is. I know [br]I'm handing

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out cards like they are candy, but it's

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just because I want to give you something.

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It's like thank you very much for[br]your time,

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uh, here's something, and stop talking

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to me now.

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(laughing) yes, right!

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(Paul) I've met the social obligation

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(Father Ballencer) And if you actually [br]want to see

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where this is gonna be put up you [br]can contact

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ma at this other wise I'm just gonna [br]assume

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that you just don't care (Mary-Jo) Yep[br](laughter)

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(Paul) I needed a resume for something,

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you know, like a year ago or more, I. . .

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Thurrott.com, what do you mean I...?

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(laughing) I don't keep track of my

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accomplishments, I'm not even sure what

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I would do with that.

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(Father Ballencer) Our Field producer,

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Colene Goldstein, she's actually

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really good LinkedIn. Before she [br]hands over

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her card, she'll just say can I find [br]you on

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LinkedIn and she's just building up [br]this huge

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network of all these people that she's[br]connected

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to and she says that's far more efficient

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than trying to take a card and then [br]remember

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where it came from and who they

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represented six weeks ago.

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Because remember a lot of the people that

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you meet don't actually work for [br]that company

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they work for a PR company that represents

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the company that you are talking to. [br](Paul) Right.

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and you won't remember who that is unless

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you actually write it on the back of [br]that card

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and even then sometimes you don't remember

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- I have to look at the lower third to[br]remember

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Mary-jo's name. (laughing) you know I'm

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really not good at that kind of thing.

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(Mary-Jo) He's bad at this thing.

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(Fa. Ballencer) I have to look down here[br]

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If I don't see that?

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(Paul) Hi! I'm Fr. Rob, What does [br]that say?

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(laughing) Sir Foley, no let's not [br]do that.

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I'll right let's get away from social [br]convention

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cuz we've got some pretty spectacular [br]windows news

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who's got this first one, because[br]eventually

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Microsoft has finally "oh! that's right [br]we're not

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offering the free version anymore, [br]maybe we

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should kill that nag screen"

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Mary-Jo - Yeah I can start it off a bit. [br]Um,

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Yesterday, the 20th, Microsoft put out a

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KB article that said "Hey we're finally[br]going to

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push through Windows update, an update

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that takes away the Windows, get [br]Windows 10 app.

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So if you remember July 29th was the [br]actual day

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the offer to get a free Windows 10 ended.

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And at that time they said it might[br]take us

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a little while to faze this out [br]because we've

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so thoroughly inundated everyone [br]with this app

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and the promotion. So actually the real

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day when this ended at least when[br]the app ended

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was yesterday. And it's starting to roll

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through the Windows update. It replaces

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the get Windows 10 app and it goes away.

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But the weird complication [br]not complication

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but the weird kind of coincidence is

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you can actually still get Windows 10 [br]as free upgrade

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You just have to use your existing [br]Windows 7

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or 8.1 product key and you can still [br]unlock the free

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upgrade, which is something Microsoft [br]is not

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actively advertising, but Paul has been [br]verifying it daily.

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(Paul) well weekly

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(Mary-Jo) I've been asking him [br]is it still up

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(Fa. Bellencer) Cuz, I was told [br]that if you do

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the get Windows 10 thing and then [br]you roll it

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back you're always set you can always [br]re-download it

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(Paul) Oh! yeah, yeah this is for [br]new installs.

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In other words you have never [br]done this before

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you have a key you can do a clean [br]Windows 10

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right now and it would still work.

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(Fa. Bellencer) Wait! What? That's not how

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it's suppose to work.

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(Mary-jo) Yep[br](Paul) I know, and by the way

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one day it won't, I mean maybe [br]this weekend

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or the weekend after that, someday,[br]I'm gonna

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wake up, I'm gonna test it and[br]it's not gonna work

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you know it's just.. It's going to [br]happen eventually.

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But, um, I wrote an article about this

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not working probably a month ago[br]in anticipation

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of it not working and it's just [br]kept working

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the things been sitting here at [br]my desktop since

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August. (Fa Ballencer) So you just try and

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do an update everyday just to make [br]sure it still goes?

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(Paul) not everyday and least once a week.

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- Now does this

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(Mary-Jo) Yesterday, I said to him can you

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still do it? And he's like, Yep you can!

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-So does this now increase the [br]value of the

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Windows 10 upgrade, because now [br]you can't get

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it except maybe if you know this [br]super secret,

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now do people actually want it?

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(Paul) I.. No.. I suppose.. [br]I think the issue

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is.. Well if you wanted to save some money

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I suppose you could go buy Windows 8.1

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product key and you know, well you

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wouldn't actually buy Windows 8.1

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I should say, it's possibly you can [br]buy a copy of it

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somewhere cheaper because nobody wants it

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anymore and than you could upgrade [br]now for less money

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than buying Windows 10. Or maybe you just

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had keys for some reason, maybe a [br]company that has

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keys allotted or you bought the [br]package version

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at some point, maybe you bought [br]the Windows 7

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family pack back in the day and you [br]only used

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two of the three keys and you've got [br]an extra

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one sitting around for what ever reason.

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If you have a key, it will work. [br]MSDN keys work

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got them from TechNet that will work.

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um, and someday it won't. So, we'll see.

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-Microsoft won't say when they think

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it will no longer work in fact they aren't

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really publicly saying that it still works

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if you ask them, they just don't answer

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when you ask about this.

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And I assume it's the same thing [br]that they said

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about the get Window 10 app

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that it might take some time for them

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to shut it off. But the other [br]theory is they

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are just leaving it open for those laggers

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who didn't get around to updating by [br]July 29th

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and they can say to them "You know what, [br]psst

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by the way."

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- It doesn't hurt anybody, I think [br]that's the

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point that if they are people out there [br]in the world

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with Windows 7 install that they've [br]never done

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Microsoft would much rather see them be on

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Windows 10, if they're going to do a [br]new Windows

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install. Why wouldn't they want that.

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- I can also see this heading off a lot of

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complaints from people who said "oh man

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I tried to upgrade and I totally forgot [br]and I

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did it in August and it didn't [br]work anymore"

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No that's not actually a valid excuse.

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-Well that argument would work on Aug 20.

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You know September 21st, October 21st,

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It's starting to get to the point where

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you can't pretend you've been

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procrastinating and than just forgot [br]I mean,

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You know at some point it's just. . .

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Their just leaving it open, its fine.

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I have no problem with this.

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- This is actually a huge opportunity [br]for us

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because I know Alex has been trying to

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update the Tri caster to Windows 10

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(Person in background) Actually Padre,[br]Let me correct you

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you shouldn't run Windows update on the

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Tri caster, New Tech doesn't say [br]you should

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So I really hope that nothing. . .

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Oh Crap! (Laughing)

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- This is what happens, You get a [br]nag screen

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in the middle of Windows weekly

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that's oddly blocking me out entirely,

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that's different (Mary-Jo) It is

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You know we're going to have to live [br]with this

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for the next 20 -30 minutes because

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unfortunately, click the initiated [br]and it'll

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take that much time to install and

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uninstall it. (Mary-Jo) They'll see [br]us though

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we're off to the sides. Not when you zoom

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on us, but the big picture you can see us.

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(Paul) How do I know that this [br]graphic hasn't

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been used more gleefully on [br]Macbreak weekly

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and whatever morning show I'm sure you do?

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(Fa Ballencer) Uh, this weeks it's Google,

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I think this is actually the [br]new title card

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for Floss Weekly. Um Floss Weekly will

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never reserve your copy.

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- Let me just try... - Ops there you see

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Do either of you still have Windows 7,[br]8 & 10

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Machines in your environment?

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(Mary-Jo) Yes, I have 7,

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(Fa Ballencer) So no 10 at all?

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(Mary-Jo) Yeah I have 10 and 7, but no 8

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(Fa Ballencer) Really? I have 7, 8.1 [br]and 10

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(Mary-Jo) You have all of them.

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(Fa Ballencer) Well because I mean 10

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does still kill some of my USB devices

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so my production machines have to stay 8

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and I have one laptop and that just works

0:11:20.800,0:11:21.630
better at 7.

0:11:23.533,0:11:26.953
(Mary-Jo) I just have the desktop I still

0:11:26.967,0:11:29.027
use because it's just an older machine,

0:11:29.027,0:11:31.079
the Dell that I've had for awhile [br]I just left

0:11:31.079,0:11:33.329
it on 7, cuz I'm like Eh, when I need to

0:11:33.329,0:11:35.579
replace the machine Ill just get

0:11:35.579,0:11:37.343
Windows 10 machine.

0:11:37.343,0:11:39.623
(Paul) But what about all those [br]gotta have it

0:11:39.640,0:11:41.130
apps you can't run?

0:11:41.942,0:11:42.592
-Um?!

0:11:49.220,0:11:51.370
(Fa Ballencer) Now a quick question,

0:11:51.370,0:11:53.890
this really did hurt Microsoft's [br]reputation,

0:11:53.890,0:11:56.740
right? I mean Yes, That number of how

0:11:56.740,0:11:58.960
many deployments they have of Windows 10

0:11:58.960,0:12:00.600
is forever going to be asterisk.

0:12:00.600,0:12:02.480
People said "Well how many of those were

0:12:02.480,0:12:04.560
accidental upgrades or how many of those

0:12:04.560,0:12:06.520
were installs and then rollbacks almost

0:12:06.520,0:12:09.490
immediately. This. . Will people [br]forget this

0:12:09.490,0:12:11.970
or will Windows 10 upgrade nag screen

0:12:11.970,0:12:14.150
be the butt of jokes for the next two

0:12:14.150,0:12:16.470
decades. (Paul) Honestly I think they've

0:12:16.470,0:12:19.060
irreparably harmed their reputation with

0:12:19.060,0:12:21.250
this and not just Microsoft generally but

0:12:21.250,0:12:23.220
the reputation of Windows as well.

0:12:23.478,0:12:26.368
The forced upgrade thing was a [br]huge mistake

0:12:26.368,0:12:29.698
on their part and a very risky gamble and

0:12:29.698,0:12:32.618
the recent people aren't going to forget

0:12:32.618,0:12:35.598
it is because they came out and said we're

0:12:35.598,0:12:37.688
going to hit a billion within two to three

0:12:37.688,0:12:39.860
years and then right before Windows the

0:12:39.860,0:12:41.850
windows ten free upgrade ended they said

0:12:41.850,0:12:43.850
you know what we're not going to make that

0:12:43.850,0:12:46.130
goal and so even though they did that they

0:12:46.130,0:12:48.280
were unable to you know meet [br]this reasonable

0:12:48.304,0:12:50.924
goal, I thought, of reaching a billion

0:12:50.924,0:12:53.334
users in that timeframe.[br]

0:12:53.334,0:12:55.124
- You know Mary Jo there's two ways to

0:12:55.124,0:12:57.304
look at this. There's one way and [br]this would,

0:12:57.304,0:12:59.434
I think this is where Paul lines up, there

0:12:59.434,0:13:01.294
was an executive or some marketing person

0:13:01.294,0:13:03.204
who said you know what we want to hit a

0:13:03.204,0:13:05.024
billion because it sounds like a [br]great number.

0:13:05.024,0:13:07.034
So let's just force this on people. The

0:13:07.034,0:13:09.734
other way to think of this is that some

0:13:09.734,0:13:11.724
engineers said you know what people

0:13:11.724,0:13:13.574
will like ten if they just try it if [br]we just

0:13:13.574,0:13:15.634
get it on the machine they will understand

0:13:15.634,0:13:17.234
what all the hoopla is about.

0:13:17.234,0:13:19.344
Which of those do you fall with?

0:13:19.344,0:13:22.064
- So I also, like Paul, think this was a

0:13:22.064,0:13:25.634
big mistake and the part that really

0:13:25.634,0:13:28.344
kind of riled me the most was when

0:13:28.344,0:13:30.754
Microsoft was taking the tack of saying

0:13:30.754,0:13:32.974
it's for users own good that were doing

0:13:32.974,0:13:36.738
this and you know I was like wait this is

0:13:36.738,0:13:38.928
so paternalistic How can you say what's

0:13:38.932,0:13:41.312
for my good or my mother's good who

0:13:41.312,0:13:43.512
accidently got Windows ten and [br]like flipped

0:13:43.512,0:13:46.392
out when she got it you know I just think

0:13:46.392,0:13:48.902
that argument didn't work. I'm happy. They

0:13:48.902,0:13:51.482
made a free upgrade available very easily

0:13:51.482,0:13:53.362
to people but I don't think they should

0:13:53.362,0:13:55.542
have rammed it down people's throat. [br]

0:13:57.742,0:13:59.982
But it's also, I don’t know [br]if it qualifies

0:13:59.982,0:14:03.982
as ironic but, You know one of the kind of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
contracts you enter into with Microsoft

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
when you do install or get Windows 10 is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you're accepting a constant stream of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
upgrades and you really can't do anything

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
as an individual to befriend that from

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
happening. Least not elegantly or easily

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and your introduction to this new world is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft seamlessly and inelegantly

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
jamming Windows 10 down your throat

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know it's it's kind of a nasty preview

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of what the future holds for you when you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
do this and it's just the wrong first step

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know to resent, it was a [br]terrible mistake

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Yeah and then the, you hiding of the way

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that you would actually accept the upgrade

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
where people were closing the window.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That was really bad. That made like a bad

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
situation worse. So yeah not a good look.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- In writing about this topic today

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I decided not to go back and hit on every

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
single little milestone in this because

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
frankly it's kind of depressing.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You know, when you go back to look at the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
sheer amount of stuff that both of us I'm

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
sure have written about this get [br]Windows 10

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thing since last year and the various ways

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they changed it silently some Windows

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Update, or group of Windows Updates would

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
go out, some of them would prevent the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
blockers from, you know or the un-blockers

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I guess from you know working.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
some of them would change the way the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
dialog looked or worked. You know in the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
past when you close the window, it would

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
just go away but at one point when you[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
close the window you silently [br]have accepted

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the upgrade and that's purposefully evil.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It's terrible.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-For me I think that hurt more [br]than anything

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
else because I understand wanting to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
force out the update. Especially since

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they believe it's going to be much more

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
secure, it's going to be much more feature

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
rich. But the fact that they kept playing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
cat and mouse with people who just didn't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
want to be nagged anymore. That's the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
reputation strike it's like ok [br]if I went to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the trouble of removing that nag screen

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
then obviously I'm a savvy user if I can

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
do that. So the fact that you're trying to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
work around what I did. Now I feel as if

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we're playing Microsoft nanny state.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Right -Yeah, yeah

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
A lot of times you know they keep saying

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know what, we're letting people get

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
around it, if they go in and edit the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
registry settings. I'm like, wait a second

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
hold on, that's not something most people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
should do. In fact, probably very few

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
should do it. And so when that was

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like “Hey were give you an alternative

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to get out of it. I was like uh, that's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
not a good option.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-That's not an alternative.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–No

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I mean the funny thing they get looking

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
back over a year of articles [br]for this topic.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
What I reminded myself of was in late June

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
one month before the free offer ended.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
They finally added something to that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
box that said I don't want this please

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stop asking me. It took them eleven of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the twelve months to get to that point.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That's how it should have been on day one.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You know it's just uh, you just can't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
recover from this. We don't know, we may

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
never know the psychological impact that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
had on what may or may not have been

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
very good to Microsoft customers that day,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
who upon looking for a new computer at

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
some time in the future may decide they

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
need, they are going to get a pro book

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
instead or a mac book or well probably not

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a Linux computer that's crazy. [br]But you know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
what I'm saying. That they're [br]going to look

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
at an iPad even or something, whatever.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And just make that decision because they

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
don't want to be harassed which is a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
completely reasonable request. You know.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Let's close the book on this bad chapter.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–Yeah, yeah I think so.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It's not a mulligan but it's since you say

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
OK you know what, you kind of hit some

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of the numbers you wanted not the big one

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but now actually show us that our faith in

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you is not misplaced. But to be fair, we

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
could look at other companies in the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
industry, like Google that are doing the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
same sort of strong arm tactics.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Google right now is making a big push for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
HTTPS, they want everything to be encypted

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
end to end on the internet, that's a good

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
goal, but some people feel that their

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
approach is heavy handed. Now, the new

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
updates to Chrome are going [br]to automatically

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
mark any site that doesn't have [br]HTTPS built

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
into it as insecure so that little icon is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to pop up, warning people that maybe

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they shouldn't visit the site. [br]People think

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that's heavy handed, but those looking at

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it say, "well this is ultimately going to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
lead to a better internet." you could make

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the same call here. You could say "Look,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this was heavy handed, this was

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft being the worst of the nannies,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but a more secure OS ultimately is a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
better experience."

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-All of the goals that Microsoft had for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this were valid right. Even the [br]self-serving

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
ones you know, the notion that we would

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
all be better off if more of us run the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
very latest version of the O. S. and were

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
always updated to be on that version would

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
make us all more secure because it's less

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
work for Microsoft to do to fix [br]the problems

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know, are going to occur down the road

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Everyone benefits from that there's no. .

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you can't really dispute it. But the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
problem is when they say oh good, everyone

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
agrees? Good! Now you're all getting the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
new upgrade is like whoa whoa hold on a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
second, you know, you mention for example

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that you have U.S.B. devices that don't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
work on Windows 10. I'm sure anyone.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
listening to this has some examples of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
some things whatever might be, uh…

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that don't work you know or some reason

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
whatever it may be that they couldn't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
upgrade. I mean you can't. . . I don't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
believe you can I mean they [br]tried you can't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
really just jam this kind of thing down

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
people's throats.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-And for our few fruit flans in [br]the chat room

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
right now. Why is it that Microsoft trying

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to force Windows 10 on people was a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
boondoggle. Whereas another company's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
decision to remove a standard [br]port was brave?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary-Jo laughs) Courage

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) Good marketing.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Fa. Ballencer) Maybe this was just

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft’s courage, and we’re all just

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
misunderstanding it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Uhm –Ok (Laughter) -Well OK[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) It was courageous of them [br]to attempt.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Fa. Ballencer) It was, it was. Although

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I will say something I really don't like

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is the fact that they've disabled [br]something

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
from 8 because if you do Windows stacked

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
side by side it's pretty seamless but if

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you do one on top of the other there's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
always a hard break as you move between

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
screens. In 8 you used to be able to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
disable that sticky window, you just move

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
right through it. You can do the same

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
registry edit in 10 but it doesn't fix it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That never goes away and that's why I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
don't understand that, Go figure. [br]All right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
When we come back. We need to talk about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
something a bit more cheery because we've

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we've been hammering on Microsoft [br]so rather

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
than talking about a forced [br]Windows 10 update

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think maybe we should talk about some

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Layoffs -Yeah. (laughter)[br]-Oh boy!

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OK this is one of these stories that it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
almost feels as if a [br]continuation of stories

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that we've already covered but who

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
wants to talk about the bad news for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
pink slips over at Microsoft.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary-Jo) Oh wait, can we talk about the [br]Skype thing first.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Fa Bellencer) OK sure. OK You know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
what that's hold off on the super awesome

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary-Jo) I mean it's related but we can

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we could kind of mix it up a little. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-The people getting pink slips got [br]them over Skype. (laughter)

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary-Jo) That would have been interesting

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) Which explains why some of them

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
have been home. Some of them got it [br]seventeen times. (laughing)

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary-Jo) Burn, burn[br](Fa Bellencer) ok Skype, let’s do Skype.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Ok so this um, Paul should the S.M.S. [br]relate because you, I think you've

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
actually looked at it, right?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-No, well not exactly, so, Err,[br]how do I explain this,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but earlier this year Microsoft announced[br]a feature that was going to come

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the Windows 10 anniversary[br]update called messaging everywhere

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and the idea is that you have a Windows [br]Phone or an Android phone

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and you can use your computer to send[br]text messages and receive text messages

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
right like you can do in a Mac if you[br]have an iPhone as well.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And everyone was really excited about it, [br]some insiders started testing it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and then very late in the game they said[br]you know what.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Actually we're not going to put[br]this in Windows ten.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
This makes more sense for Skype[br]we'll put it in the Skype preview app

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but sometime later in the year they [br]yanked it out of Windows 10

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
some people were disappointed you [br]know because they were using it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but you know I think we can agree that[br]a messaging feature makes more sense for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft's messaging solution than it [br]does for Windows specifically so

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's going to be part of Skype. So[br]in the most recent Windows insider build

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
which was released last week I think [br]Microsoft's added this feature in for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the first time and now they're calling it[br]S.M.S. relay actually been calling

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about for some time but it's a slightly [br]more technical and less interesting name

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and the functionality is supposed to work [br]the same way in this initial version

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
however you need to have the latest fast [br]ring version of Windows 10 from

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
windows insiders. I think 14 9 23 or [br]something like that. And you also need

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to have that same build on Windows 10 [br]mobile it only works on those two systems

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
so I have both of these things [br]but I couldn't get it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I'm not seeing it on my phone [br]I don't know why.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but the idea again is that you can from [br]the Skype preview app on Windows 10

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for P.C.'s send and receive text messages[br]and so if your phone is over the corner

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
charging somebody sends you a text message[br]you get a notification on your P.C.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
click on it you can reply to it right [br]there. It sends out over your phone

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
as you would expect so it's coming. [br]And it will come as part of Skype, right?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
so we won't have to wait for the next [br]major version of Windows 10 to get it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Which by the way is another one of [br]the advantages of putting it on Skype.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You know what's weird though I think I [br]messaged you about this that I have an

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Android phone. I have a Windows 10 P.C. [br]and I am seeing my text messages

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
from my phone show up on my Windows 10 [br]P.C. and I'm not on

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the insider program right! [br]–Which is really interesting.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah, So I think it's because of Cortana [br]though because I have Cortana on both

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and I believe that also gives you some of [br]that functionality but that then

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I'm like OK So is this in the future [br]going to be taken out of Cortana?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yes so, right. Actually it's kind of [br]confusing because this is hum,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I wrote a book about Windows 10 that I'm[br]still updating for the anniversary update

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and one of the things I put off literally[br]to the very end that I will wrote right

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the last of all the new content is [br]phone integration because it's actually a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
little convoluted there are three ways [br]right now that you can get information

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
back and forth from your phone through [br]Windows 10 as I understand it. One is this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
new S.M.S. relay feature in the Skype[br]preview. One is the thing you're seeing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
which is the Cortana integration but [br]there's also like a Windows phone

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
integration I will get Windows Phone [br]notifications in Action Center on

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows 10that are notifications that[br]came from Windows 10 in the phone and so

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they could be about anything it will be [br]like Facebook updates.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You know different things from different [br]apps on the phone and those things will

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
actually surface in Windows 10 of my P.C. [br]as well. So I'm still trying to kind of..

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
where and how all these things happen[br]and why you know it's interesting I have

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
three different phones, so I have and [br]Android phone like you do and I have the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows Phone and also an iPhone[br]So the iPhone doesn't really do anything

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but the expectation is that you'll have a [br]pretty decent level of functionality

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
through Android if you have Windows 10[br]and then obviously if you have

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows 10 mobile you would have[br]the best experience

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because those two things would[br]be tightly integrated.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You know that's something in a [br]feature I actually would really like

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
something in Windows that shows me how[br]the various services integrate because

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's always an crapshoot for me about what[br]notifications I get on what devices like

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you I've got I.O.'s devices I've got [br]Windows devices I've got Android I think

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows Mobile and it always, I’m never[br]really sure what is syncing and what's not

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-It's like a roulette wheel and I just was[br]speaking Skype specifically, this morning

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I was chatting with Brad on Skype & we're[br]you know we're texting back and forth

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
he writes, I write you know five minutes [br]goes by, 15 minutes and all of a sudden

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
one of my three phones in this case it [br]was my iPhone the screen lights up and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I look over and it's a Skype notification[br]of something. Brad had written me on Skype

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about two minutes earlier. And so for[br]some reason that one version of the app

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on that one phone lit up. It was like all[br]my devices or weight are in the back and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
one of those are like I got it. I got it,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and it just kind of like I'm having an [br]active conversation in Skype on Windows.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You know why? Why would these other [br]things? You know how it is, if I go to my

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Android phone and I turn them on right [br]now and I go into Skype. You know thus

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
waking it up which is a mistake. It's like[br]Jason from Friday the 13th or something

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but if I do wake it up briefly it will [br]flash those one two three conversations

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that are marked unread the conversations[br]I had earlier with Brad actually this one

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
from Twit and the conversations I had [br]with Mary Jo according to this version of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the app these conversations are unread.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I know, that happens to me too. Yet when [br]I when I've had my Windows 10

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
laptop off for a while I turn on you know [br]they all the messages filtered through

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but then some show up as unread [br]and some show up as read.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yep.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-So I'm not sure what makes [br]both of those things happen.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah I ended up going into Windows 10 [br]notification I just turning off everything

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because I was so tired of [br]receiving the same notifications 15 times

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yep

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Actually there's something else that I[br]do love the syncing across accounts

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that actually does work nicely except[br]for the fact that at home. I've got this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
monster set up with two 4K. monitors[br]and a bunch of little monitors around the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
periphery and it tries to import those [br]preferences into my laptop and it doesn't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
matter how many times I tell it not to do[br]that it. There's always an update in the,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the switch gets turned back on & suddenly[br]all the text on my laptop is tiny.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Because it's adjusting with what it thinks[br]I want to the desktop, which that's again

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I want some sort of central control panel[br]that shows all my devices and which

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
settings are moving between which devices.[br]It sounds like that's an absolute

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
necessity now with all the different[br]devices that we use. And with all the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
syncing that Microsoft trying to build[br]into the products. That's a necessity.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah you know obviously Microsoft doesn't[br]have a big presence slash

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
any presence in Mobile and so one of the [br]concerns that they have that maybe Apple

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
doesn't have and Google only has to a [br]lesser extent say with IOS Devices is the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
cross-platform stuff you know Bart W on [br]Twitter's ask Mary-Jo and I if S.M.S.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
relay is coming to the Skype apps on IOS[br]and Android as

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
well and it's a reasonable expectation[br]that it would but

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know of course on Android you have[br]a Microsoft has a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
much easier way of getting into the[br]system and making

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this more seamless whereas in IOS, [br]if you think about how

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Cortana works you kind of have to go [br]in and run the app

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for some things to happen. You know it's [br]never going to be as. .

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
even though it can you know, it can sort [br]of run in the background a little bit

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you can never be sure that it will always[br]be there. This is more easily done on

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Android and Windows Phone So if you… [br]Mary-Jo do you know off the top you head

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
has Microsoft ever spoke to S.M.S relay [br]on IOS Android? [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I don't remember them saying that.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–It seems like it would have to the right?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary-Jo) I know it does seemed like it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
would have to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-What would be the point of S.M.S relay

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to Windows 10 mobile?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Mary Jo I've got an enterprise question

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for you. Do we know how many versions of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
messaging Windows has.. uh Microsoft has

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because you've got Skype. You've got

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Skype for business. You've got Skype for [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
broadcast and then you've got the link [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stuff which was actually supposed to take [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
over for the Skype stuff but then that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
seems to be flipped. Now that we've got [br]the Dela

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
do you see what's in the strategy going

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
forward or we just keep getting fractured

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
off into different types of Skype [br]and do they still have

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that artificial delineation [br]between consumer and enterprise?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-They do. They still have the delineation

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there is still Skype consumer and Skype

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for business are not the same product

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
even though they're both called Skype and [br]you're right. Link is still kind of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
hanging around for some on promise the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stuff but ultimately Link, the Link name

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
will totally go away and link will be

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
completely superseded by Skype for [br]business that will happen.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Because that was going the other way. I [br]mean Skype was going to go to go away and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they were going to keep Link and so now [br]they've reversed on that.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Yes So I think they're being pretty

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
consistent on length being supplanted by [br]Skype for business.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-OK.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I think next week which is Microsoft

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
ignite we might hear some new things

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about Skype for business and kind of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
where that's going because every time we

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
ask Microsoft about Skype they'll answer

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Skype consumer questions but they won't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
talk at all about Skype for business. And

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think next week's show because it's a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
very I T pro focus show we probably will

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
hear some new things about Skype for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
business and hopefully about how it's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to be syncing soon with OneDrive

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and OneDrive for business. That's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
something people are really waiting

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
anxiously for and last we heard that was

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to happen in the final calendar

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
quarter of this year. So we're almost in [br]the final calendar quarter.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Seems like we should get some new[br]News on that next week.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Wait Skype for business will sync with [br]OneDrive?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-With OneDrive for business, yes!

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-How does that.. Wait what is it syncing?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- They’ll be integration. Sorry. Am I [br]saying OneDrive business or

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
am I thinking Share Point. [br]I’m thinking about Share Point.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-OK, OK that makes sense

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Sorry I'm thinking about Share Point

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
when I'm saying OneDrive for business but

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
um, it may, Microsoft talked about Share [br]Point and OneDrive business being able to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
actually have better sync across those

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
two products and they said that was going

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to counter Q four and I think that's what

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we might hear about next week. But yeah

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know every time we ask about Skype.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You know we've heard recently that Skype

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is moving to this new kind of universal

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
next generation client and when I asked

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft you know does that also mean

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Skype for businesses is going to be on

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that same universal client.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
They said we're not really talking[br]about Skype for Business.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You're like whoa.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Don't get ahead of yourself here.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- And don't forget the upcoming Skype for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Web R.T.C. because I mean that's also

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
another universal client and universal, [br]universal.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-But we should talk about this thing that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
surfaced this week called Skype for life. [br]Speaking of .

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Oh good I was just hoping we would have [br]another Skype.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Speaking of Jason from Friday the 13th. [br](laughing)

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-OK what is Skype For Life?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-OK So ARS Technica Dr Pizza over there

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
got a tip from one of his sources or

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
maybe multiple sources that Microsoft was

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
working on a product called Skype For [br]Life and he and a lot of us have first

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
kind of thought maybe this was a name for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the universal Skype client that would

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
work across all different platforms that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
would be kind of like what Microsoft has

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
described as the universal Windows

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
platform equivalent but for the other

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
platforms like IOS and Android. But then

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Paul dug around a little and thought it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
through and he says no but that is not [br]what that it is.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-No! No I mean I talked

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to Peter about it., Skype, Ironically.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And I don't doubt that he was told this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and I don't doubt that the person who

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
told him saw this and thought that they

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
understood what they were seeing but you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know I talked to the Skype guys back in

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
June or July about the strategy Mary Jo

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
just discussed where they're moving to a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
new generation clients they have updated [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
their back end infrastructure they

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
temporarily have to maintain the old

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
P.D.P. infrastructure for certain

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
applications or services but that's going

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to be going away. The combination of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
these two back end services explains the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Skype reliability issues that we've all

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
seen over the past you know several

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
months I was told. And I thought you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know, Skype For Life and making yet again

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
new, some new client that would somehow

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
run across all those platforms didn't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
make any sense to me and if you look at

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that next to their previously stated

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
strategy it's clear to me that Skype For

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Life is just a marketing term and what

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they're describing internally I think is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the culmination of that previous existing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
strategy that the new infrastructures

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
switched over to their new clients are

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
all available. They all interact and all

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
have the new features and it's not that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's one client's I mean obviously

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows will have P.W.P. clients, IOS and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Android will have native apps there,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Linux will have what they have and there

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
will be the web version as well. And

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
these things will have some baseline of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
functionality that works across all of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
them on this new infrastructure that's [br]the point of it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You know what I'm going to still be a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
doubter here. OK I don't think, I think

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the more I think about this the more I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
think you're right that it isn't a new

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
totally new Skype client. I think that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
would just be crazy and kind of going

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
back to what they just got away from but

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think Skype For Life is something else

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and the reason I'm thinking that it's a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
marketing slogan but, maybe it's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
something like you know they call Skype

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
translator a feature of Skype like that.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That's how they brand that and Skype for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
teams which is what they're going to be

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
doing to compete with Slack. I also think

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they'll call that a feature of Skype. I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
don't think they'll call of a new version

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of Skype. So I'm thinking Skype For Life

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
might be something like using Skype to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
improve your life in some way. So maybe

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's like I don't know I'm just I'm

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
totally reaching here but Skype like

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
maybe Skype and the Microsoft Health

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
platforms somehow connected or you know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Skype being used for some specific thing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that's more about health and welfare and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
maybe a very specific almost like a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
vertical I'm just guessing here again but

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think it's something else.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I mean that seems very far reaching. It

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
might be simpler that you know it's funny

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we were just kind of joking around and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
slash complaining about how you know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Skype will ring on various devices and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
whatever because we have various devices

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because we're nerds and so Skype For Life

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
could be as simple as what I think of a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Skype everywhere this this feature you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know that a normal person with a computer

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and a phone or a tablet and a phone would

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
want to get messages everywhere and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that's the For Life. In other words.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Whatever your life is whatever your

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
habits are whatever devices you choose to [br]use Skype will be there. You know.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-That could be

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I just you know regardless of what it is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I mean I think it's mostly a marketing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
term. Right. Not so much a product. And

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's almost just a way to describe [br]functionality to normal people.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I'd be down with the marketing term. I [br]spoke with a rep a Microsoft rep over at

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
IFA in Berlin last month and or no this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
month and of course didn't want to talk

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about it but what he was describing was

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that this is Skype UC this is the unified

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
communication promised the idea of we

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
don't want Skype to be an app. It [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
shouldn't be something you start up it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
should be something that is just

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
everywhere. They're using Microsoft

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
products. You should be able to say

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Cortana call Paul Thurrott and it will

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
automatically kick out Skype and it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
doesn't even call a Skype it just

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
connects. Hum, and I can see that I mean

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that UC promises has been something

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that's been around for ten years maybe

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this is Microsoft finally saying let's do.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Or saying we finally have enough pieces

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in place for it makes sense right. I mean

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
even the things like integrating Skype

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
into Outlook.com and OneDrive.com on the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
web or the Outlook 2016 Mail clients in

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
office 2016 which you know depending on

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
your view of things you might find

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
incredibly useful or incredibly annoying

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because it certainly on the web, they

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
don't do a good job with that but

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think that these things are all part of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
… how do you describe a bunch of little

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
things? It's a.. what's the theme? You

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know universal communications is how we

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
would say it in the enterprise and maybe

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Skype For Life is how they want to say it [br]to people.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You know what Padre just gave me a crazy [br]idea another crazy idea.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Oh good

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-What if Skype For Life is a bot?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Oh

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Now they’re intergrading more bots into

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Skype right and there's been all this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
talk about a concierge bot that Bing was

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
working on for a while to be kind of like

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
your personal assistant for a life. You

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know somebody who you could say hey what

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
movies are playing can you get me some

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
tickets. Maybe this is Skype For Life?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-But then Skype for life would have to [br]fight Cortana to the death.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I know. Yeah. BOTS and Cortana they...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think they're siblings I think they're [br]friends but yeah

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Their twins, Skype For Life is the twin

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they kept in the closet until he was a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
teenager so he’s a little stunted.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
We've actually got people in the chat [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
room, we've got ‘hey it's Todd’ who

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
suggested that Skype For Life is actually

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the name of a new form of judicial

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
punishment and then you see the really

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
really bad, you only get to use Skype [br](Laughing)

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-It sounds like a big punishment.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-And a guy could be like oh I’ve been [br]Skyped.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Should it just be Skype 10? I mean,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
cause that was the whole idea of Windows [br]10. It is the last Windows you will ever

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
own is this Skype 10 is it like look it [br]will always be this way.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-And what you're supposed to do

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
everything to ensure it. That’s windows. [br]God bless

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-The ultimate Skype.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Honestly Windows 10 is a terrible name

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
right. That should have just been Windows

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I don't think we need to go 10 I think if

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
anything we should be stripping the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
numbers off of the products that still [br]have numbers.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Maybe they really want it to be [br]Windows X.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Apple's doing that right? Apple's [br]changing back

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-They've kind of moved to the right

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because they still have version numbers

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
obviously you have to have the stuff

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
behind the scenes but you know they talk

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about the new version MacOS as Sierra.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You know and they've been doing that for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
years. I guess but they really they [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
emphasize that you know it's a friendly

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
name and I think that's a nicer approach

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
than some godly book like H.P. product

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
names or version or just not version

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
numbers because numbers or even using the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
version number the name is just it's just

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's I think that's just old fashioned

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah it's kind of I mean because you [br]have to…

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I know especially if its the last right

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
last version of something, supposedly

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-It should have just been Windows [br]ultimate,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Oh wait, we've already used [br]that. Never mind!

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Calling something the last version of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this product is like the worst way to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
market something ever invented. You know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this is the last version we're ever going

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to make a Windows. Oh know we’re gonna

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
keep updating it, but this is the last [br]one.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–There’ll be some serious updates to it [br]but no, this is it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-So it really is just not smart mart. [br](Sigh) I'm going to be…

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
[br]I'm going to change my name to Padre 10. [br]I will be the last Padre, you’ll ever know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Actually if you can change it to 10.01.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-There'll be updates to Padre, but this [br]is really the final version.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) There will always be that [br]little hidden miss.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary-Jo) Padre Hena-versary.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Don't we… the Padre anniversary edition.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It's ten pounds lighter but has all the [br]features. (laughing)

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
All right, we're going to bog down a bit

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
too much and it is a fun story, but there

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is one more story that has so much fun it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
has to be dispelled. Paul. There were

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
people screaming all over the Internet

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that Microsoft is being the big bad by

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
trying to lock Linux out of new P.C.'s Is [br]this true?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–No! And that's all we need to say about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that. If I could somehow make a career

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
out of just debunking stupidity. Right. I [br]mean I just… you get into these

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
conversations of people on Twitter who

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
see these stories and they.. I think it's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the way conspiracy theories work right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It's.. it hits on your internal beliefs

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and so you instantly throw common sense

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to the wind and say oh course their doing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this. Microsoft is evil. It's like guys

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's not 1998 anymore it could be maybe

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
upgrade the way we think about Microsoft

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and their relationship with Linux in

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
particular. The topic and if you don't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know what it is I guess we should

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
probably step back a second and say that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
somebody had discovered that a Lenovo

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
P.C. bought from the Microsoft store so

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's a signature P.C. and thus is running

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
something called Windows 10 signature

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
edition which doesn't exist. Somehow has

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the magic capability of preventing Linux

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
from ever being installed in that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
computer. That's not a capability of an

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
operating system that’s something that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
would have to be built into the firmware

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I guess of the computer I mean I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
obviously there's always going to be some

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
way to brute stall anything on there but

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know, read it happens. There’s one of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the guys from ZD Net wrote a very calm

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and collected article but anyway I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
appreciated that. But here's the thing,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
signature P.C. is as I describe it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think the smallest province of the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
windows empire that exists in Microsoft.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
They have no power at all the very notion

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that they could require a P.C. maker to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
do anything is ludicrous. Let alone the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
world's number one P.C. maker. Microsoft

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is not the business of blocking Linux.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
They never really were. But it's one of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
those things like a lot of people kind of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like want to believe is the case. Some

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
guy supposedly from Lenovo got into a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
support forum somewhere and said Yeah.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
This might this is part of our agreement

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with Microsoft. That's not true. By the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
way because Lenovo came out with a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
statement and said no that's not what's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
happening. It's one of those things like

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you don't actually have to know the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
answer to know the answer. It's a little

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
bit like the Skype For Life thing like if

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you think it through. It's like this is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
not what's happening and so I ... I'm not

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the one that got the statement so I think

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's Tech Republic. They've got the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
statement but I did a write up about it [br]and uh debating it…

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-This is just secure boot on the UEFI [br]right?. I mean that's all it is.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-It's not exactly but it's that exact

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
kind of topic yes but Lenovo has a one

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of, it's probably just one Lenovo

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
computer actually but there is a Lenovo

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
computer that has a very strange raid

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
S.S.D. configuration and as people are

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
discovering if they try to clean install

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows 10 on that computer it won't work

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
either. It's. It's a very unique

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
configuration. It's not part of a secret

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
cabal with Microsoft to screw Linux users

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
out of their new computer but you know I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
think I said this to Mary Jo privately or

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
maybe Brad we were I was chatting with

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
somebody earlier today and so consider

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the market out there for people who are

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to buy a Windows based computer and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
install Linux on it right and there is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
some number it's a small number but the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
some group of people do that. And now

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
let's consider the subset of those people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
who are going to drive to a Microsoft

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
store pick it lovingly pick out their…

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know favorite signature P.C.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
configuration from the store, buy it from

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft. You know their favorite

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
company. And then put Linux on it. I mean

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
not saying it's not going to happen but

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
c'mon. I mean and this is Microsoft's.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Path to world domination we're going to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
do it through the signature pieces that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
nobody even knows exists at the stores

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and you can't even find there where you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
live. It's just the whole thing is loaded

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's just typical. Watching this cascade

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
across the Internet today. It's just as

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
depressing. That's just so typical. You

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know it destroys your faith in humanity

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
or reconfirms my belief that we're all [br]idiots. I mean it's just it's sad.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-And he thought Lenovo did show. I mean I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
can't remember what they call it it's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like software services but then on boot

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
up you actually get the option of what

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
packages you want to install. So you [br]could make it a signature…

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You mean..?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-All the crapware.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-That’s interesting. So Lenovo not the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
only P.C. makers starting to do that kind

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of a thing and I really like this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
approach it's because it's something P.C.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
makers are not familiar with called [br]customer centricity.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You know H.P.’s newer machines will do

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the same thing and in the past you get a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
bunch of utilities and things running in

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the tray and whatever was. Now you have

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to seek out those applications and at the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
time that you run it. It says hey we have

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this tray thing we can put it and you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
want to use it and if you say no that's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the end of it you know and that's the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
way things should be you know don't you [br]think. Yeah so.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Well it sure beats me having to spend the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
first thirty minutes of my new P.C.’s life

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
uninstalling everything that came [br]pre-installed.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yes right. Actually we will never be

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
deemed intelligent beings by future

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
civilizations because of things like this.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It's like when you buy an electronic

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
device and spend the first thirty minutes

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
updating the software or when you buy a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
smartphone and you install apps and you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
spend the next seven days removing or

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
changing notifications or like what you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
just said you buy a new P.C. and the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
first thing you do is take things away

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
from it. It's like this is so counter

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
intuitive and counterproductive and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
yet we just sort of sort of accept that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this is the way it is you know.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-That's what makes me so sad that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
signature seems to be kind of not an

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
emphasis anymore because I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
remember when I got my Acer S7 it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
came to me as a signature device and I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
didn't even know it was going to and it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was such a different experience.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Oh yes by the way. So let's see four

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
years ago this month. Microsoft opened

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
their store in Boston and I bought the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
very first computer that was sold at that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
store which is a fifteen inch [br]Samsung Ultra Book.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It was one of the last Windows 7 computers

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they sold right because Windows 8 [br]came out.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Thirty or forty five days later [br]and to this day

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
when I restore that thing and it goes back

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to that clean Windows 7 signature edition

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thing with beautiful wallpaper and you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know no crap anywhere it's still like this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
calming almost transcendental moment like

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you open the thing up And you’re like nice!

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You know and that's not the reaction

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
typically happen with P.C. right? [br]It's too bad

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I mean seriously there is something about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
having to do a hard restore where you to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
go back to the factory disks and you know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
yeah when any time you do that there's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to be hours and hours if not days of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
updates it's going to have to go through

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
round and round and round but that's not

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the infuriating part for me because that I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
can just leave off in the corner.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The infuriating part is I know I'm already

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to have an anti-virus it's going to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
take five restarts to fully get rid of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because it just sticks in there and you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
have to do a little bit of registry [br]editing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to get rid of the stuff that doesn't[br]uninstall at all.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I know we've talked about this on the pod

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
cast whatever. You know some months ago

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but as part of the Windows 10 anniversary

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
update there's a new tool[br]it's not actually

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
included in the O. S. but it's linked to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
from the O. S. And so I think people are

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
probably familiar with the reset your P.C.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
functionality of that they viewed [br]in Windows 8

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
also available in Windows 10. Thing is if

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you use that on a P.C. that came from a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
P.C. maker which is you know most P.C.'s.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The P.C. maker can edit that image that's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
installed so the crap all comes back right

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
when you reset the P.C. you get the crap.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But there's a separate tool called refresh

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows it's linked to from the same place

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the settings up in Windows 10 with the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
anniversary update. You download the tool

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it downloads Windows 10 [br]it's a clean version

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of Windows 10 and then you can install

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that and then so instead of getting the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
crapware laden version you might get from

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
say whatever peace maker Dell, HP, Lenovo

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
whatever you get Microsoft's clean image

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
right. And so the pro there is you don't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
get the stuff you're talking about [br]like the Anti-Virus

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
whatever stupid utilities people[br]put on there.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The minus side is you may not get the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
driver you know Lenovo, HPNO and probably

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Dell have decent utilities for keeping

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that particular machine up to date with

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
drivers for example you don't [br]get that thing.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And so you might have to do a little bit

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of extra work if you want some of that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stuff or if you need it you know if you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
look in device manager and some of your

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stuff hasn't been recognized you know you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
might find yourself going to the HP[br]or Dell or Lenovo or whatever you get

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft's clean image right. And so the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
pro there is you don't get the stuff

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you're talking about like the Anti-Virus

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
whatever stupid utilities people [br]put on there.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The minus side is you may not get the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
driver you know Lenovo, HPNO and probably

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Dell have decent utilities for keeping

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that particular machine up to date with

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
drivers for example you don't[br]get that thing.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And so you might have to do a little bit

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of extra work if you want some of that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stuff or if you need it you know if you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
look in device manager and some of your

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stuff hasn't been recognized you know you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
might find yourself going to the H.P. or

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Dell or Lenovo or whatever website and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
downloading the drivers but at least you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
have that option now. [br]And so I think that's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
lot closer to a signature P.C. [br]type experience

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
except that it's not fine tuned for YOUR

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
exact computer which was the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
point of signature.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-If anyone wants an almost [br]Signature Series

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
just buy the retail version of the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
operating system and that's what you get

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and yeah it sounds stupid but it really

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there is something that is so nice about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
starting the P.C. and realizing the only

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thing on here is the bare O. S. everything

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that gets added on is my choice.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-And that's by the way another thing I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
think we all do with these devices doesn't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
matter what you're talking about a phone,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
tablet, computer. That first day you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
install the things you know you need right

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Just the absolute necessity.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah for example I need to[br]install chrome.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yes exactly which I believe it’s the only

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
reason it exist. Over time as you use the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
device whatever it is you know P.C. tablet

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
whatever you realize oh wait I need this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thing too and it spirals right so over

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
time you fill the thing up and you. You

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know there's a bunch of junk on there but

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
those first couple days are wonderful.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It's like the. You know the out of box

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thing is kind of like it should be. I mean

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's not always with the P.C. If you get

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the wrong kind but you know[br]that's what it is.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And we kind of try to recapture that magic

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
every once in a while. [br]Let's reset it back a little.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-But we do have to talk about the layoffs

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
at some point because it is a big story

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and it's not it's not it's not [br]totally unexpected right?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–Right! -We saw this.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah we did and you know I think a lot of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
people forgot but in July Microsoft

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
announced during S.E.C. filing[br]that they're

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to be laying off. Almost 3,000

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
more people this fiscal year which is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
their fiscal 2017. Over the weekend there

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was a report by the Financial Times that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft was closing Skype London and I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
saw some people report this says and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
laying off 400 people but actually the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
number that Microsoft is laying off is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
closer to 230, I think?! I called them and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
asked them how many people is it and they

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
said it's about 230 and that's a [br]combination

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of people who work for both [br]Skype and yammer in London.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Some people be moved to the Paddington

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
office some are just going to be let go.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
They also last week. Paul and I kinda were

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
catching bits and pieces of this through

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Facebook because we saw different people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we knew posting to Facebook that they had

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
been cut but they cut another 300 people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on top of that mostly from the Puget Sound

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Redmond area and a few people from other

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
geographies around the world. These 500+

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
layoffs that happened last week are part

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of that 2850 that they announced in July.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
This isn't a new group of people who

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
didn't you know who Microsoft said and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we’re adding another 500. These are people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
all different divisions not [br]all concentrated

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in one division. Except for the Skype and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
yammer part that are being let go across

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the company. Microsoft's definitely

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
continuing to tighten, you know belt

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
tight, doing belt tightening across the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
company getting rid of people before the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
layoffs were largely Windows phone related

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and Windows Mobile these new ones are not

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because they pretty much laid off all of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
those people originally it was a bunch of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the Microsoft sales people because they

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
had a sales reorg this year when Kevin

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Turner left. Now we're getting into the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
product areas some people in Windows,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
some in , people across different parts of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the company. So if you hear [br]about layoffs that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
happened recently that is what happened.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah a lot of my Microsoft contacts are

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
heads down right now. Not necessarily

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because they're fearing this round but

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because they realize you know what

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft is actually, they're not doing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the cutthroat competition anymore but they

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
are looking to the various departments and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
finding out “Do you have any personnel

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that have not really contributed anything

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the last five years?”

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I think the H.R. term for these[br]people is dead wood?!

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah and it's always difficult to talk

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about someone like that but if you've been

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
at a company for twenty years. And you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
haven't really been challenged or maybe

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you've become really really cynical it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
might be time to move on. I've seen that.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-In over the past year or two as we talk

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about layoffs obviously there's the human

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
side to it. It's always very tragic people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to lose their jobs but looking at the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
company from sort of a Microsoft watching

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
perspective I think Mary Jo would agree

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this is a very big and in some ways still

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
bloated company with lots of levels of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
hierarchy and management so forth and…

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You know the people I know personally for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft are to one very smart people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they do want to change the world but I

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
think the system they're in might be a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
little too big and complex. You know for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
things to happen so it's possible that the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Dell is making these changes like many of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the changes is made to speed response time

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
make sure they're focusing on the right

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
things and all that kind of stuff so.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-SCR 1 in the chat room is saying how all

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
their downsizing their way to success and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I know it's very easy to see it that way

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but there's another view and if you take a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
step back. You can actually see it. I know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Mary Jo and Paul you've both seen this is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because you cover Microsoft so deeply but

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
especially during the Bomber years. There

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
were little fiefdoms that developed in

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft and the fiefdoms were all about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
how many employees were under your

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thumb and so you had these…[br](Paul) That was awesome wasn’t it?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You had these little princes who are

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
accumulating kingdoms not really caring

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about the productivity they were getting

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
out of people they were just cared about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
how many people they were in charge [br]of and ..

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-There's actually another side to this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with power comes the ability to influence

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
direction and I always think back to this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
one example. I'm not saying that this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
product would have been successful but at

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the time when Steven Sinofsky was running

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the Office group there was a project that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
came up from I don't remember what group

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it was but it was in Office but it was basically

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
an attempt to put Office in the Cloud at

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the time they didn’t it called the cloud

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but it's called Net docs and he killed it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because it competed with Office right and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the theory here is that Microsoft might

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
have come out with something that was

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Google Docs and all that stuff [br]years earlier.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
If they just hadn't been so or [br]if the people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in power hadn't been so concerned about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
protecting their products. You know that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you couldn't compete with something like

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows or Office if you did that you were

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
out you had to support that right. Now,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's possible and probable that Net Docs

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was a joke that it was based on Active-X.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that it was stupid. Whatever I don't know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but you know but that's the type of thing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that happens in that kind of organization.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Plus you know we've talked about this a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
lot but the emphasis of Microsoft these.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Days is very different from the[br]old Microsoft you know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows was the main cash cow of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft for years now everything has to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
be about the Cloud for them and the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
shareholders want that, The Wall Street

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
analysts want that. So if you're working

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in a group that's Windows related. You

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know they're definitely kind of putting

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the squeeze to you. I think. And if you're

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
doing something that's more Cloud focus

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Enterprise focused. Something that's about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
collaboration teamwork that kind of gives

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you an edge and I think it's [br]also just about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
job kind of… not restructuring but more

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
just like changing of the emphasis set at

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about what matters. And what's going to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
make the money for Microsoft right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So some of that's a play too.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You know I think we talked about this on

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows weekly. The notion you know the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
new newer surface devices say Microsoft on

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the right. And this one Microsoft notion

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that we're moving forward as one company

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
not as the you know the guns pointed at

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
each other all the little fiefdoms that we

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
were just talking about you know it's a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
new way for Microsoft. You know a new [br]way of doing things

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Right and that's why I actually still I'm

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
very bullish on Microsoft I love what

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Nadella has done that idea of taking down

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the ramparts and making the little princes

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
actually work with one another. Yeah it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
doesn't work any other way. Although…

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) Change is hard though because you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know externally. I agree with you right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think this stuff is necessary.[br]It's exciting for Microsoft as

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a company that in many ways to become so

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
calcified you know for to see [br]them reacting

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to things quickly and moving quickly as it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's very exciting in hitting that the [br]right

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
products and things but I know from

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
personal experience with different people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that this change is very hard for some of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the people there's. And not just the ones

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
who've been let go now. But just people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
who see projects just disappearing.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-But then there's some other people who

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the opposites true like they've been

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
champing at the bit for ever to like work

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with teams across teams and they're like

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
oh finally they're letting us talk to each

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
other before and that wasn't really

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
encouraged or even allowed right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So those people are really happy.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Not to hammer on Steven Sinofsky

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but what the heck. You know when they did

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows 8 right. They went to the Windows

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Phone team and said show us the Metro

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stuff and they say here you go and for the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows Phone perspectives thought great!

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
We're going to collaborate with these guys

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we're going to come out with this cohesive

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
system. Nope they never talked again you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know the Windows Phone guys are always

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the B. team to the Windows guys now in

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows 10 with him gone and you know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
different people in place that is what's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
happening but it happens. [br]Three to five years too late.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
This is stuff that should have happened

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on day one. These thing should have

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
evolved together. You know you could have

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
made the case back in I guess we're

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
talking 2010 -2011, 2012 certainly that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows Phone had been in market at

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
mature to some point. If you're going to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
go to market with an R. T. style[br]tablet device.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It should have been Windows Phone O.S.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it was already there. It had to Apps. It

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was all there but no they started over

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
from scratch. They created another Windows

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
system that ran out arm. Instead of you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know basing it on the thing they really [br]had very strange.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-About ten years ago I had a contact in

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the Xbox division and a contact in the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows division and we had a weird

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
exchange of the course of six weeks where

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
basically they were using me as an

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
intermediary to pass messages. I was like

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you work literally 400 yards away [br]from each other

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
What's going on here?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Oh by the way if they're still there and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on same teams they all work for the same

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
guy I know -Exactly, exactly.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-That's one organization now.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-That's why they were emailing through me.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
They're like we can't be seen [br]to be emailing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
one another. Someone will see it and get

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
really upset I was thinking that is so

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
dysfunctional. That is the worst kind of [br]triangulation ever.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Even you know like Ray Ozzie remember

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
when he was the chief scientist [br]or whatever

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to the chief software architect. You know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know he allowed teams to compete on

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know file sync technologies and things

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like that and instead of determining you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know that you're the best ideas from each

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
group let's make one thing you know you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
allow this internal competition to occur

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and what happens on the outside is you see

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that they have three different file sync

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
solutions at the time or four and which

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
one do I take a bet on and why are there

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
so many and doesn't the show a lack of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
leadership. You know and I'm sure there

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
are management strategies or theories that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this is a good way to do things but we

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know from experience with this particular

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
subject that you know that didn't go very

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
well. And eventually it all became [br]OneDrive

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know but for several years there were

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
many, many different solutions.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-There were. I remember when all those

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
think engines were out there and it was

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like it was a time I should think you like

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
which one are they talking about right now

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I'm not going to remember all of them.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-No there are a lot

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I mean now there is Windows Live Sync, [br]and uhh..

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-There’s a Sequel one, Sequel team was

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
doing a whole different sync thing.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You know it's like a mosh pits theory of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
management like let them fight it out

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I prefer the days of active sync where [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there was active sync and then active sync

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for mobile and active scene for enterprise

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
active sync for exchange because[br]that really

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
made it. You know very easy to understand.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-What do you call it when you reuse an

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
acronym? What is that called? Uh, You

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
double it up or whatever it's like they

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
did that with active sync was which is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
ever used. You know as a term.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Someone just thought it sounded like a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
really cool name so they wanted to use it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on as many products as possible and it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
took me a while to realize that [br]two products

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that were called Active Sync actually

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
had… it was no sharing of the code [br]base between them

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Those guys probably hated each other.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yes. Well because it was the exchange

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
side and then it was the mobile side [br]and they didn't,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I mean, they were competing [br]with each other.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I remember the spinning green circle [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
very well I still have nightmares about [br]it. (Laughing)

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And that's what happens when you build a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
dysfunctional company. All right. When we

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
come back. What's going to be? Wearables?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Ignite?. What do we want to talk about?[br]Ignite?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You mean like the Note 7?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah (Laughing) It's too soon, [br]too soon man.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think, let's do wearables because

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
everybody wants to know what's[br]going on with the Band

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Of course. So we'll be banding up in

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
just a bit but first let's go and take

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which is story about the ID software

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Intellivision, Coleco Vision, etc being [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the first generation. And so it's the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
story of these companies and you know how [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Nintendo and then eventually, uh, Sega [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and assume Sony you know kind of just [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
changed things through the early 90’s.[br]

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OK, So we've got some Wearables I did see [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a few of these in Berlin and they looked, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they looked wearable, they looked [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
interesting. But should I be[br]excited Mary Jo?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I you know I still I'm, I don't have a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
smart watch. I did use the Microsoft band [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for a bit of time and I thought it was [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
OK, I use the band too but I'm I still [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
haven't really seen any wearable device [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and I'm like, Yes, I would pay that, I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
would wear that. And now if you are a fan [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of Microsoft band. We talked last week on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the show that we had heard some rumors [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that Microsoft may be no longer making [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the band after band two. Right after the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
show ended, a day later we found out that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft was rebranding the Microsoft [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Health application to Band. So people who [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
are downloading the Microsoft updates to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the Microsoft Health application for IOS, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Android and Windows, were seeing suddenly

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that it was called Band instead of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Health. Microsoft hasn't really said [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
what's going on with that but my sources [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
said to me that what they think is that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft's rebranding Health to Band [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because right now Microsoft, the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft health app that exists really [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
just is meant to sync with the Band. It's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
supposed to work with Microsoft band.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think what they're going to do is [br]come out [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with another new app that will be called [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft Health. And that will work with [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the Microsoft Health Service on all [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
different kinds of devices not just the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Band. They'll be able to work with.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Android devices different kinds of phone [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
platforms and all, all different kinds of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
things and I think the reason they're [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
doing this is Microsoft's priority going [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
forward in the space is the health, the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
health service and the health [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
applications and not so much the actual [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
band hardware which has been something [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that a lot of people love but has had [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
kind of mixed success. And in fact the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Band 2 a lot of people have had problems [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with it splitting and they've had to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
return it and I just, I just think

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft's kind of in a place right now [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
where maybe they're thinking about a new [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
wearable at some point maybe it'll be [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
another kind of a fitness band that'll be [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
branded Surface someday but I think the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Band line as we know it is done and now [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we're going to see them talk about how [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the health service and the help app and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
not so much the Band.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Fa Bellencer) I think are going to call[br]it Band For Life. I think is…

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-No don't give them any ideas please.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) How did you find out about our [br]secret plans?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Actually, maybe Mary Jo is right. Maybe [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that Band is now called Skype For Life. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You're going to wear Skype. Because that [br]makes sense.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Do either of you wear a band? I like the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
band, I did try it out. But do you [br]wear it on a daily basis?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) No[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) I mean well I switched to Fit Bit

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
three months ago ish. I mean you know I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
really I like the Microsoft Band for what [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it is I think it makes a great [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
compromise. Compromise? Is the wrong [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
phrase. It's a nice middle ground between [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
an expensive and complex smartwatch and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in a lower end kind of fitness tracker [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
right it I think it's got the right mix [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of functionality. I think the thing that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
really kills it be on the reliability [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
issues which you know came to light over [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
time is just you looking at one day [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
battery life. That's the problem with the[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Apple Watch, it's a problem with a lot of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
these devices. You know a FitBit, Ulta.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think is the one I have the thing lasts [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for seven or eight days on a charge it's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
incredible and. It accomplishes the same [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
basic things that I like the most about [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
wearables today which is somebody texts [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you and you can see what it is you get [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know reminders to get up and move [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
around. It's it does the fitness tracking [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
kind of stuff so I think I think they [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
just running into a marketing issue and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on the one hand where you know no one [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
even knew this thing existed they didn't [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
do good job of selling it and just a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
battery life limitation you know an

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Apple. I know wanted to put solar kind of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
activity on the new Apple Watch and they [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
didn't because of the battery life stuff [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there was no way to cram a thing [br]in there make it work.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Well let's, let's not say that because [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Samsung did. So Samsung’s got their new [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Gear S3, which does have a cell radio in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it, and Bluetooth and WiFi and it runs [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for four days. So it’s posssible[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) What I meant was Apple [br]couldn't do it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Apple couldn’t do it, Right![br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- So uhm, one of the things that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft did with the original Microsoft [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Band that was pretty impressive was just [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
put that much in there in a sensor sense [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think there were eleven sensors in the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
first device. You know the second one [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
added one or two other sensors you know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they were Barometer for altitude and so [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
forth you know that kind of data [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
collection is really exciting you know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
let's see what we can do with that, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
promise. They never really did much with [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it. You know and of course we don't do a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
good job of selling it and then as

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Mary Jo pointed out sadly the second one

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
at the same exact reliability issues as

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the first and that's if there was this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
kind of the end of it right there.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-They also at least at some point were at [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
kind of contemplating the idea of putting [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows, some variant of Windows 10 [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
inside the Band. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The Bands, the Band on and two both had [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
firmware inside. It was not Windows [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
inside. And right before..[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) It’s basically Linux by the way.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Is it really? (Paul) Yeah[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Um right before we get all these tips [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about Microsoft, maybe ceasing work on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the Band I had heard from one of my [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
contacts that they are the team that was [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
put to try to get Windows 10 to work on

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the Band had been disbanded. So I think.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So yeah I think I think you know that the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
idea was let's make this part of the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows 10 family right. Like everything [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
else has everything else is running what [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the core of Windows 10 the Common Core. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So why not have the band do that too but [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for whatever reasons they decided that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was going to work not feasible. And so [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
maybe it's they go back to the drawing [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
board. Now come up with a new wearable [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that is Windows 10 core from the get go.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) Yeah I was thinking as you were [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
talking about other wearables which Brad [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
who I work with has heard as well. I was [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thinking you know they have to be looking [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
at Window 10 this is the point you know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the universal platform that they can add

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that to the list of targets you can have [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
as a developer. I think that has to…[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) Me too![br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I'm just I'm still not really sold on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the wearable tech and I've covered it [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
extensively. I’ve had a bunch of really [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
good pieces of tech in my lab but [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
ultimately I don't want anything on my [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
wrist in fact this is you mentioned [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
battery life this is the problem with [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the technology that was [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
generously donated by Leo Laporte. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Basically because I waited for him to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
remove things from his office to go on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the free table and I just followed ‘em [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and I got myself a modem 360. It's a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
fantastic piece of tech but because I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
take it off and because you have to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
charge it on that little awkward docking [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
station. I sometimes forget it [br]on my lap table.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- So you were just saying do you have a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
band and I went upstairs and change I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
actually took the FitBit off and left it [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
up to my bedroom. So I actually normally [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
have it on but right now it's not. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That's just a coincidence but the problem [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I have with that exact advice you're [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
talking about. I have one as well. The [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Moto 360 or the Apple Watch is that these [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
are you would get you would get used to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it because if you just use the one device [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but it's as a kind of a strap that you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
have. Kind of connected everything it's a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
fairly you know you balance the thing on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
your wrist and you turn to try and not [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know it it's because I test different [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
devices like I sometimes don't spend [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
enough time with any one device like the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Fitbit is very simple to class the Apple [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Watch I find in the Moto 360. You know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you have to get used to it right. It's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
kind of like tying shoes you have to do [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it a bunch of times you know so you can [br]get good at it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I have to think adventurously I would [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
get used to it because I wore a watch for [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the first 20 years of my life but since [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
then I just I don't want to hitting on my [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
wrist it just feels weird even, even [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
after a couple of hours of it being on my [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
wrist I still feel it there. I still want [br]to take it off. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I wear regular watch still and I feel [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
weird when I don't have it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) What do you do with that?[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I actually use it to tell time. I know [br]what a thought.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-And I thought watches only do things [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like give you really abbreviated versions [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of the text messages so that you have to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
reach in your pocket to take out [br]your phone

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) And that’s why I don’t need one[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I used to, you know. When people got [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
laptops and then smart phones. You know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you get into that kind of meeting joke [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
where like people are sitting there doing [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
their own thing on their devices and not [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
paying attention to whatever the person [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is speaking or saying. And that's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
considered rude it might be [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
unprofessional whatever and so you know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
one of the big defenses about a wearable [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is like you know if you're a smart watch [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you can casually glance down at your [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
watch it’s not as obvious or as terrible [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
as looking at like a phone screen or [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
tablet or a P.C. or whatever but you know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think nothing signals to the people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you're talking to that your not attention [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
more than when you do this kind of thing, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like really. And now you know I mean it's [br]just…[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Or it looks like you're bored right and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you're like ugh is this over yet?[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-We almost done here? We'll[br]wrap this up soon.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I do. I love sitting at a table when [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
someone's wearing a smartwatch and I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
think, you could tell they don't want to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
be rude but their eyes keep going down in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
their wrists like this, you know like I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know what you're doing just take out [br]your phone man.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You should just start asking Siri [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
questions. (laughing)

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Siri delete that e-mail. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah. As my daughter once did she walked [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
into my office and she said Xbox off. [br](laughing)

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-And actually across the Internet there [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
are cries of anguish because people are [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
watching Windows Weekly while playing [br]Gears Of War.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) Cortana, What’s the weather? [br](laughing)

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Oh, no! You know, I don’t know. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I understand that wearables have a bright [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
future I understand that it's a big [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
profit center. I understand it has to be [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a part of any cloud strategy because it's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a great way to get data metrics but I'm [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
still not completely sold. Go figure! [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Anything else about wearables or should [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
move on to Cloud?[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) Sorry I was just looking at my [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
smart watch I missed what you just said. [br](laughing)

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- That's about right. Are we done [br]with wearables?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah, let's talk cloud

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Let's talk cloud because this actually [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is exciting interesting and worthy of a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
post-mortem. What happened?. Microsoft [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
suffered a major cloud hic up and a few [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
people picked up on it quickly and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
actually Mary Jo, you were one of the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
very first who was able to confirm that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there was outages of various Azure [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
services. What happened?[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Yeah I didn't, it wasn't any kind of a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
great, great thing that I did. Also I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
came on Twitter last Thursday morning and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
everybody was tweeting to me like as [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Azure is down. It's a huge outage so I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
looked at the status page and they were [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
having a giant D.M.S. outage for Azure So [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that took down ended up taking down like [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
almost every Azure service or at least

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
limiting service on it. I mean everything [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was going down as Azure media services, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Azure search HDInsight, everything, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
everything was it was like a cascading [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thing and then there were no workarounds [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
being posted and people were just saying [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I can’t do anything. I'm like totally [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stuck. I cannot do anything. I'm just [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
sitting here twiddling my thumbs. So [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
after a couple of hours. Microsoft got [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
DNS back up but then in the central part [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of the United States. People were still [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
having sequel outages. Then after [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
everything seemed to be solved. I started [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
getting people tweeting me about OneDrive [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
being down and I don't know if the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
OneDrive part was connected to the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
original DNS outage because parts of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
OneDrive do run on Azure. I never could [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
confirm that was connected but it seemed [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to be right around the same time and that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
outage hit a number of people in Europe [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and the US, I think also India for [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
number, a number of hours and Microsoft [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
wouldn't say anything about that one and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I couldn't get anything just that we know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
some customers are experiencing problems [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and we're working on it. That's it. So if [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you if you want to know more about the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
specifics about what happened and what [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft saying they're going to do [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going forward to try to prevent this. If [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you go to the as Azure status page that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you could you could just search for that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
as your status page and you look up in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the history September 15th. You'll be [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
able to see the whole poll postmortem and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
dissection of what went wrong and what [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they intend to do to try to sure that up [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going forward. It wasn't a good day.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- It wasn't a good day and I think the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
official position was that it was a spike [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in Network traffic that brought down DNS [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
which I mean suspiciously sounds like [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's was attacked and that's what [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
especially some people thought.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Some people thought that. Some people [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
were like it must be a denial service? [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I’m like well I don't know if it is but [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they're not saying it that's what it is [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but who knows?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I'm with you at the far more [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
interesting part of the story is not that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there could have been a denial of service [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
against Microsoft DNS because that could [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
happen anywhere. The more interesting [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
part is the services that are actually [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
linked together by Azure.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-It does give you a sneak peek into some

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of the inner workings that Microsoft

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
has been very recalcitrant to explain.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) Right. We know there are tons

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of services available on Azure if you go

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on at the Azure page you can see they

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
have so many different products now

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
working on Azure plus a bunch of other

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
services that are parts of things like not

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
all of Xbox Live runs on Azure but some

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
pieces of it do to so when Azure has a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
major problem. It affects pretty much

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
everything. Office 365. I mean they're

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
connected in there too, so you know when

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you have something like a DNS outage

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
pretty dire and something they needed to[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
fix as quickly as possible. I will give [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
them credit that they were giving people[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
very regular updates but the updates [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
weren't very encouraging. It's like yeah[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we know this is down and we're trying [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to fix it. That was kind of it. Least, at[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
least they were acknowledging they knew[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and they were working on it because [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
sometimes the health dashboard goes down[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to in Azure then you, it looks, when you [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
look at it like everything's good. But [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
nothing's working so at least this time. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That was not the case.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Right and the thing about Azure is, it [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is a self healing network and it should [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
be able to route around problems and the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
fact that it did come back up relatively [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
quickly for such a large network that is [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a testament to the technology but there [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is no such thing as a network that cannot [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
be brought down. There's always going to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
be and as long as it's using the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
networking protocols that we have today. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You can take it down, if you want if you [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
had enough resources but, but Paul let me [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
ask you about this. There was a saying in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the early days of cloud computing in the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
early days of say like the Google [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Chromebook that. Oh this sounds like a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
good idea to move everything into the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
cloud until you lose internet

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
connectivity and then that one bad day [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
makes the entire investment worthless. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
This was the bad day. This was business [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the middle of the workday not being [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
able to access Office 365, their OneDrive [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to different degrees. Does this, did this [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
kill it, did this make it an incredibly [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
bad day and now it makes the [br]investment useless?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-No I, you know the thing that's always [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
lost in these discussions is that. Cloud [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
computing is not an all or nothing affair [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
when you talk about things like e-mail or [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
obviously if it's cloud hosted I mean it [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is Cloud Hosted, even before we had a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
cloud. If that thing is down, its down. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
There’s nothing to do about that but you [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know your data should be synced to your [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
client, your application should be [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
running on your P.C. I mean as an [br]Office 365

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
user you should have access to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
functionality and so it's not that it's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
not all or nothing. You know and I still [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
think that the promise of the cloud is [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
met by today's infrastructure you know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but that it can only get better with more [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
pervasive contact of it sort of course

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but I don't know. Honestly for all of the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
kind of Chicken Little stuff that goes on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with cloud computing even today these [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
things are kind of rare aren't they. I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
mean we don't really have weekly [br]Office 365

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
or Gmail outages it doesn't really [br]work that way.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-No. I think one thing the bug a bunch of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
people in Europe about this one last week [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was the week before that there had been a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
pretty not, not as pervasive but another [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
outage that affected Azure and people [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like wow twice and two weeks what the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
heck Microsoft you know come on. So I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
agree it isn't something happens every [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
day and I don't think it's a reason to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
just abandon cloud computing or say oh [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that's why I'm not doing the cloud [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because you know your own company's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
servers go down to it if you're running [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
your own servers. But I think I think the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
fact that those two things happen back to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
back got some of the people especially in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Europe kind of agitated and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
understandably so. Yeah.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You know this is why you've got a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
company like VMware which has admittedly [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
had some bad years as they've, as people [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
been moving away from virtual machines [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
into containers. But they're betting [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
everything on their N S X platform and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the NSX platform ensures a way for [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
enterprises to be able to do hybrid [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
deployment so On-Premise and not just [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
On-Premise and cloud but On-Premise and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in multi cloud in other words they want [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to make it as easy to run in Azure and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
AWS and Google Web services and the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
premise at the same time so that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
theoretically as long as your network is [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
up has some sort of connectivity. You [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
should still be able to continue working [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and I, you know I think we're going to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
see more of the big players including [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft who will take that that view of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we will let you run your Azure services [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on another web service to give you that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
measure of security that you will always

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
be able to get to it even if one of these [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
services goes, goes down. I see that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
being becoming popular. Or no?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah, I hadn’t heard about that actually [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
so that's kind of an interesting thing [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
something to listen for next week. See if [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft talks about that at Ignited[br]at all.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah it will be uh. It will be a brave, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
brave new world. Speaking of a brave new [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
world. There was a story that we actually [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
talked about the last time I stepped in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for Leo I think it was back in June of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft announcing a new Azure service [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that was in Germany and the big news [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about that was it would be entirely in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Germany. So all the data would be stored [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in Germany they would never allow any of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the data to go to a data center that was [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
not in Germany because Germany has really [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
good privacy laws and Microsoft is saying [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we will not even have access to it. We're [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to give everything to a caretaker [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
third party in Germany.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Can I say Ick bin ein Berliner [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Ick bin ein.. yeah if you were a citizen [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of the cloud you were a citizen of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Germany and I say to you, Ick bin ein [br]Azurler.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Azulier (laughing)[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-But Paul what's…what’s this all about. [br]It's finally out?[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- This is..oh I don't, I have no idea [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
what this is. This is Mary[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah this is me.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) I’ve heard of Germany

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-So right. You've heard of Germany. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Laughing) So today is the day that this [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
new Microsoft region in Germany. There's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
two data centers that and that it [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
actually was turned on an open for [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
business. So um, yeah it's a big data [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
sovereignty story like you just said [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Padre it's something you know Microsoft [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
hasn't been able to completely block [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
access to customer's data from [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
governments when requested and that's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
what their whole Ireland case is about [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that they've been fighting there but [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they're trying to kind of get around this [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in different ways and this German data [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
center idea where T. systems which is a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Deutsche Telecom subsidiary is acting as [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the data trustee in this data center is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
coming to play. So if you, you can decide [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you want Microsoft to be the one [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
accessing the data there or you can say [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
no I don't even want Microsoft in here. I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
want, I want T systems to be my [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
administration here in Germany. So any [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Azure service that can run in these data [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
centers is going to have the same [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
protection. So for example IOT. IOT is [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
running in these data centers I believe [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Office 365 also so you'll still have that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
benefit an offer of having an external [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
trustee be the one administering your [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
data and the data will stay on premises [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there in Germany. So kind of cool, kind [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of like a workaround for Microsoft to try [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to say you know what we're taking your

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
privacy seriously people and here's what [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we're trying to do to get to kind of. Not [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
get around the law but find another [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
creative way to ensure data sovereignty. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I don't think they're getting around [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the law. I think they're trying to fill [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the void where the law has [br]not caught up

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) Exactly!

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- The great some very high profile cases [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
involving Microsoft and data security [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that the most high profile of them would [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
be the case in Ireland about whether or [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
not a U.S. court could compel Microsoft [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to give them information that was stored [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on a server that was on the land of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
another sovereign country. And Ireland [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was a little bit iffy because they were [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going back and forth about what was [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
allowed by treaty and what was not but [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with Germany. It's very clear. You cannot [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
step onto German sovereign soil and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
demand something from a data center and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that's why Microsoft's set this up. But [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
who's going to, who's going to buy this?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Who's, who's going to want the service? [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Who's going to demand the service? [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I think a lot of customers in Europe, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
right? For sure. I've even had people [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
asking me if I'm not based in Germany [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
could I transfer my data from another [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
data center to this one and I don't know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the answer to that I think I did ask [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft that but I haven't heard back. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So people, I think people are very

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
interested and curious about [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
how that's going to work.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I'd be surprised a lot.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) I would too but, yeah we’ll see[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Actually P.S. chops in the chat room [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
has an interesting point. He says as the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
law catches up. We could have a data [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
privacy Cold War you have different

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
countries saying well I mean if you let [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
them into the data for our citizens we’ll [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
let them into the data for your citizens. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Oh I would say right. It will also have [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a situation where who's going to be the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Cayman Islands of or the Switzerland of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know data storage

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Fa Bellencer) Data’s the new curtsey.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–They not gonna let anyone in.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-And then you'll have, you'll have the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
country saying well if we didn't do this. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Another country would so we're just [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
providing a service that's necessary . [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Wait did we just come up with a new data [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
laundering scheme?[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah -I think we did[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Will I have to declare my data for a, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for tax purposes? Is this is how this is [br]going to work?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-They may. -I don't like this. All right. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You know what we talked enough about [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
enterprise I want to get into some gaming [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and only, if only there was a member of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this panel who knew something [br]about gaming. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I'm ready. Let's go.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
– Go, Mary Jo I understand you're [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a big uh, Gears of War fan right Mary Jo?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Oh yes I am

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You're all about the shooting and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
what weapons do they have in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Gears of War? I don't even know this game.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) What weapons? -I'm assuming [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there's some guns and some knifes right?[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) Cats. I think there are cats.	[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I get Cats. Cats are ultimate weapon. [br]No but Paul...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) And some chainsaws.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Can you tell me a little bit about the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Xbox S and their Minecraft bundle because [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft has been conquering the[br]world with Minecraft.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Mine.. Yes they are. You know since the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Xbox One S. came out in early August [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they've been kind of bulking out the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
lineup with different bundles you know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they have a Gears of War 4 bundle for [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
example which is ridiculous looking but [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the Minecraft one looks really good [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
actually. Especially if you haven't [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
bought into this yet in the Microsoft [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
ecosystem because it's no much. It's no [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
more expensive than the normal console. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But you get the game for free. Obviously [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
an Xbox 1, you get the game for free on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows 10 and then you get a bunch of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
favorites and builders packs just you [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know downloadable content that you [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
normally would have to pay for. All [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
bundled into this thing and so for $300 [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
bucks I mean this is actually it's a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
great deals and then Minecraft is amazing [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and so if you've never experienced [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Minecraft I mean this is a great way to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
get into it. So that's kind of a cool [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
one. And then the Gears of War 4 news is [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that the game was completed this week. So [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's gone gold. It's being released in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
October and if you preorder it. You can [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
play it. I think it's four days early so [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I believe it comes out on October 11th [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and those who preordered it. I don't know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
if probably digitally obviously. Can [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
start playing it on the 7th and so this [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is a new kind of a rejiggering of the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
story you know so there was a trilogy of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Gears of War games that came out on

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Xbox 360 was made by a third party

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
developer Who, why can’t I think of the[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
name of the company? That's crazy! [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It doesn't matter they sold[br]it to Microsoft

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and so now Microsoft and using this. [br]Say again?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–Oh Mojang

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-No Gears of War – Oh Gears of War, Oh![br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Wasn’t that just 360 studios?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–No it was the Cliff Bleszinski guys. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Uh it kills me when I can’t think of stuff

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) [br]Bungee?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–No, Bungee’s Halo

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–I’m just guessing.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–Oh, um was it the same studio that did [br]Bio Shock?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Nope. (laughing) this is embarrassing. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So anyway whoever it was.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) Let’s just keep guessing.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Fa Bellencer) Atari? [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) Epic games?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) Wow! Epic Games. So they did the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
original trilogy on the 360, it was [br]a 360 exclusive.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Well it was a Microsoft, it's a, the first

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Gears of War game actually shipped on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows and then they did the 360 version [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and so now on the Xbox 1, we have the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
original game is available remastered the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
other games are available backwards

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
compatibility and now we're getting a new [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Forth game which takes place you know 20 [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
years later there's you know, you know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the story. All hell breaks loose etc, etc

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So it's a pretty big deal because [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know exclusives kind of drive console [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
sells and so forth so Microsoft has had [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Halo and Gears two and so Gears have a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
new series of Gears games coming out for [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the Xbox 1 is kind of a big deal. So we [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
shall see. Someone included with us in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
software. Nope![br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- It's kind of interesting that's [br]October 11th

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because that's also a big day for [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Dynamics 365. I’m just saying. [br]-Yikes.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Yeah I'm sure that's not coincidental. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I'm sure it's not. (laughing)[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Well I mean dynamics is one of the most [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
profitable division in Microsoft [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
currently has. So, I mean naturally. ou [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You see the tie in, right? Well let me ask[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you this we're thinking about doing a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
little Gears of War thing here at the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
studio because Lee has got his Xbox. I've [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
actually got an Xbox 1S on its way along [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with Gears of War when it comes out but I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
will be in Rome. So it's shipping to me [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in Rome. We're all going to have our [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
little Kingston Gears of War branded [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
headsets. I think we need a death match. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah OK. I'm not great at death match I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
will say um.. Gears of War, those games, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the single player stuff has been really [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
good, a story has been good for the most [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
part. The death match stuff, if you're [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
really used to the fast moving kind of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
twitchy. You know Call of Duty type stuff [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's a little more grounded. They've got [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it a little bit more vertical over the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
years but you know especially the first [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
game, you kinda crouch low to the ground [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and that was pretty much where you stayed [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
so I'm not I'm not great at it but.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Well I mean if you play with us. I'll [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
try to get Pope Francis on the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
controller. I've heard that he can frag [br]like nobody else.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I just want to hear him swear like a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
sailor. That will be the best part. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Gears of War is pretty good but the one [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that I was most impressed with at E3 and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the one that I really, really want to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
play is Cup Head because that looks [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
fantastic. And I know, I know Paul that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you love that game. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Well actually I will say even Mary Jo [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is looking forward to it.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I was curious about that one, actually.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I kind of you know like forty style [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
animation. Things like that.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- It's steam boat Willy.[br]–Yeah [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- There were a few. There was the ship of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thieves or ship of, yeah ship of,[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Ship of Thieves or Sea of Thieves?!

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) I’m not sure.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-There were a few at E3 that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
actually were kind of interesting.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) -3D Realms. No it wasn't 3D Realms,[br]sorry. (laughing)

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Are we back to just naming off studios?[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–Yeah I don’t know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-All right, well when we come back it's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
time for tips and picks to close out the [br]

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show but first let's go ahead and thank [br]

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Alright. I always get confused by [br]the Q. and A

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
who's the Q. and who does the A.?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I don't even know if we need to [br]do a Q. and A today

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because we have so much in the picks.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Oh yeah actually I love your picks this [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was an interesting one. I saw this and I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was wondering where we were going to go [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with it but let’s just find out. D. Apple [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
find your iPhone, I don't even know[br]what that means.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Oh well let me explain. [br]I'm a Microsoft guy

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
obviously right? I’ve been writing [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about Microsoft technology products for [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
20 something years. I approached things [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
from kind of a Microsoft standpoint but I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
think it's fair to say that in the [br]mobile world.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Things have gone in a slightly [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
different direction and so like Microsoft [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
itself you know we kind of have to adapt [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and you know before Microsoft shipped [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows Phone I was an iPhone user [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because Windows Mobile was so terrible. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I used Windows phone for several years [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
obviously things have kind of fallen [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
apart over the past couple years and so [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I've spent a lot of time looking at [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Android and iPhone and I would say to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
people who are Microsoft people you know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft fans, or Microsoft users, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
customers whatever. Android is probably [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the closest thing you're going to get to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a Microsoft type experience but more [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
important because the system can be, you [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know adapted and customize so much you [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
can change the lock screen, the launcher [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
screen. I mean it basically everything [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about it. It affords you the opportunity [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to have a real Microsoft experience

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because Microsoft makes lock screens and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
launchers and you know keyboards and all [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
kinds of things for Android so you can [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
have a real Microsoft experience on the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
internet but people who use iPhones do so [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for a reason. There are good reasons to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
own an iPhone you might get one from [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
work, you might have to have one and so [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I've been using an iPhone for years [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
really. In fact I've owned I've owned [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
almost every iPhone model that Apple has [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
ever ship I've only didn't purchase two [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of them but I've always worked very hard [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to kind of keep the distance from some of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the Apple products and services. I don't [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
use things like Apple music or iCloud or [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Siri or any of that kind of stuff and so [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I wrote an article about this but I've [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
been doing a series of tips about using [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Android from kind of the perspective of a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft guy. I have written a few [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
articles like this for iPhone but not

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
nearly as many and so recently I kind of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
summarized a bunch of thoughts around [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
what it's like to use an iPhone from a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows or Microsoft user perspective and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know again you can't, there's not [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
much, you can't change the launcher [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
screen, you can't, you know there's no [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft lock screen that you can [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
install you kind of stuck with some [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
aspects of it because that's you know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
what Apple does but actually iOS is open [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
up you can change the keyboard you can do [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
swift key which Microsoft owns you want [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to do that and Microsoft, all of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft's high profile apps are on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
iPhone as well. And so the point of this [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is just that you don't have to give up [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
your soul. Per se to use an iPhone. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-No I think buying an iPhone you kind of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
gave it up already. But I’m just saying.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Actually, so by the way that's more fair [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
than ever because with this version of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the iPhone the availability was so [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
limited that I had to get a gold version [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and uh I can tell you that was not a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
proud moment. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Rose gold or just plain gold? [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-No I didn’t go rose gold but I do end up [br]buying gold. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Isn’t that actually part of the price? [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You do give your credit card and a piece [br]of your soul.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
–And a piece of your soul, yeah I guess. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Literally one pound you know. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-How much does the human soul weigh?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) One pound. – Is it one pound? Well

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
good because I know I can give away a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
couple of grams and still be good. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yeah mine's a little fatty. But it's [br]good eating.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Actually I just got all my [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
blood work back and I am surprisingly in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
good health and I didn't expect that. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) That's good.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Except for my triglycerides I guess [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
pork rinds are really bad for you. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) I'm somewhat surprised by that.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Do you eat them in like a cheese bath or ?[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
– No, I bathe in them. (Paul) Oh,yes![br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- I sleep in a bed of pork rinds. (laughing)[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) That's it's good for the skin. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-It's for that fresh pork smell you know. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
All right so we've got a D. Apple find [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
your iPhone. We've got an app pick of the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
week. Who's got fire watch?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) I do. So, I have a bunch of epics.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So the big one is yes fire watch. So fire

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
watch is a game that ship like I think

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
last year on PlayStation 4 and also in

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
P.C. through Steam. I played through day [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
one on Raphael’s PlayStation just to kind [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of give it a shot. I really, really enjoy [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this game and so just today. Literally it [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
shipped on Xbox 1 you can get it now on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft's platform and so same exact [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
game it's a wonderful game it's kind of a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's kind of a like interactive adventure [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
basically it is there's a mystery and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's got beautiful graphics and you know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
immersive sound and all that kind of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stuff but it's I mention that when I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
talked about this on the podcast just a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
few weeks ago I said I'm going to try to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
get my wife and daughter to play this I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
think this is a game that would, is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
compelling to people who don't play video [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
games in the same way that a you know a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
mystery series or something which is [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
interesting to people I think people can [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
get into this. So it's a great, great [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
story. It's a really neat game and the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Xbox One version has some unique stuff as [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
an audio tour and when you finish the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
game you can actually free roam around [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the environment you can see the whole [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
world that they created for the game. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Fa. Bellencer) This looks a little like [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
mist. It's got, it's looks like it's got [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that same sort of artistic.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) Don't ever compare this[br]to mist again.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(laughing) No it’s a.. OK well I guess [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
what I would say is, you know mist for [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the day was seemed photo realistic

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I guess I'm sure we would look[br]at the quite [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
same way today. This obviously has a bit [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of a I don't want to say cartoon but it's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
clearly graphics like they don't attempt

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to pull you into thinking that this is [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know real photograph quality graphics [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but that the graphics are beautiful. It's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a beautiful game. You know really really [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
well done the whole thing, the whole [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
presentation is great .[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Fa. Bellencer) It's not a horror[br]game is it?[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul ) No but this is a mystery. It's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like, it's the type of thing where you [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
know you show up at your new job out in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the woods and you go investigate what's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going on when you come back. Someone has [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
ransacked the tower that you live in and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know the music kind of kicks in like [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
tick, tick, tick, you know. You can tell [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's like it's getting a little stressful [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like what's going on here. And so it's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
just it's a mystery that you uncover.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Fa Bellencer) As long as the Slender man [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
doesn’t jump out. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Well it's sort of, sort of does.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Oh really? (Paul laughs) Not exactly. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Just a few other things I want to throw [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
out for apps because a bunch of stuff [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
happened this week. I do an app race and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
mobile app pick of the week, and a Skype [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
preview app. We’ve already talked about [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this but if you're on the insider program [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's certainly worth looking at. I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
haven't gotten it to work but I know [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
people have if you're interested in the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
SMS relay stuff that is available if you [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
have both Windows 10 and Windows 10 [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
mobile. Microsoft has also updated a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
bunch of its mobile apps on the Internet [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
IOS and so on Android, Word, Excel and

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Power Point, the kind of the core apps [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
have much simpler sharing capabilities [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
now and also I can’t … here and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
collaboration features and in OneDrive. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I don't actually, it's funny I read the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
description of the new OneDrive app on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
IOS and I don't think the graph. I don't [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
think graphically looks any different. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That they're calling it a file centric [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
U.I. or whatever but it looks the same to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
me but there's a new me tab and a U.I. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that lets you access all of your account [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
information and a bunch of other stuff

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that was just hidden away before so [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that's kind of cool and then the new [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Outlook.com which by the way I still [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
don't have I think I'm on what are we on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the day 457 or something. If you have it. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I know Mary Jo does. They've added

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
integrated support for a Google Drive and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Facebook photos meaning that if you're [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to, if you're sending out an e-mail [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
“Hey I just went on this great vacation. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Here are some photos.” You can pull those [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
photos in from other services now include [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know the Google Drive and Facebook [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
photo. I'd love to test that feature [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft. If you're listening. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-They're calling it OneDrive For Life. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yep. (laughing)[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) You're going to be the last one [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the very, very last one to get [br]the new Outlook.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Now that you've asked for it, that's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
how that works. Sorry it's a rule.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) Yep[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) I observed on Twitter, the other [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
day that hearing that other people have

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the new Outlook.com is like when you're

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
at war and you find out that the buddy [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you're in a foxhole with is going home [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and you're happy for him and in one way [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but you're also like you're really upset [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with him you know because he's leaving [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and you're not you know I mean it's the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
same kind of weird mixed feeling.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-So what Paul is telling us is if any of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you get the new outlook. He will

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul and Fa Bellencer) Shoot you[br]in the back.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) He wants to know immediately. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-This is good. This is good to know good [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
information. Mary Jo fully your [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
enterprise picks of the week.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-OK so my enterprise pick is going to be [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
what to think about and look for next [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
week at the Ignite show that Microsoft's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
having in Atlanta. Paul and I are going

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to be there a lot of other journalists

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
will be there but looking ahead I'll tell

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you what I think we're going to hear a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
lot about. So it's very interesting to,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
at Ignite this year, there is only one [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
day of keynotes. The morning keynote [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
starts at 9:00 A.M. on Monday [br]September 26th.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It goes till 10:30. Microsoft's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to be webcasting that and then [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there's an afternoon keynote which is [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
4 to 5 on the same day. That's it for [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
keynotes. So there's going to be a lot of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
recording of all the different sessions [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of Ignite and it'll be up on Channel Nine

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft Channel Nine. I think we're

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to hear this is this is kind of a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
no brainer. A lot about [br]Windows Server 2016

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there because that's where [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft's going to quote launch the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
product. It won't be available that week, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
which is next week but right after it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think you know first second week of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
October. You'll see it starting to be [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
generally available. So expect a lot of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows Server 2016 all the new stuff [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that's happening with containers in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Windows 7 2016 we’ll hear a lot. We’ll [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
probably also hear a lot about nano [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
server which is a new role for a stripped [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
down role in Windows 7 2016 next week. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
We're going to hear a lot about Azure [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stack. Azure stack is basically Azure [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that you can run in your own data center [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
or that your club provider can run in

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
their data center for you. I think maybe

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we'll hear about Technical Preview two of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Azure stack next week it will be around [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the right time and Microsoft said [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
recently that Azure stack won't actually [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
be available until mid-2017. So it's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
running late. But I think, I think they [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
do want to get the Technical Preview out [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there there's a lot of sessions about [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Azure stack. I think there's going to be [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
some meet ups and they'll be a big [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
representation for Azure stack. Also we [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
haven't said this word on Windows Weekly [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
lately, Data Lake's I know every wanted [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to hear it. So I think next week. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Exactly. You're going to hear a lot about [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Data Lakes. Everyone drink! Data Lake is [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the big data repository technology that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft had in previews since last

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
September. I think maybe at Ignite we're [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to hear them talk about Data Lake [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
technologies being generally available so [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we'll hear a lot of big data talk a lot [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of Hadoop talk probably will be tied in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with some of the data summit [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
presentations that are happening [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
simultaneously with that Ignite in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Atlanta next week. More probably more [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about Microsoft's data scientists degree [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
program which they gave a little sneak [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
peek of at the world wide Partner [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Conference. I think the first class they [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
graduated from that degree program is [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to be announced or somehow [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
represented at Ignite. That's my guess, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
because Microsoft said that that group of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
people would be graduating in September.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So we're in September. Still I think that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
could happen next week and then there's a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thing that I've talked about before in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the show called open mind studio which I [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
think is kind of like Visual Studio [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
except for machine learning. I would be [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
very surprised if we don't hear about [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that next week too. So all of these [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
things and more. I'm sure. Probably a lot [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of office Content Officer 365, Office [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Crack, Share Point all your favorite [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Office topics will be there as well and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we've said this before. Paul and I are [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
doing Windows Weekly live next week with [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Padre from Ignite at our usual time[br]2:00 P.M.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on September 28th, 2:00 P.M. Eastern [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and then we finally know a better meet up

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
or meet up is going to be held on the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
28th right after the show. It's going to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
be 5:00 to 8:00 P.M. It's at a bar craft [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
beer bar called Argosy A R G O S Y in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Atlanta. And I guess it's the Argosy East [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
version of Argosy So if even if you [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
aren't at Ignite and you don't have a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
badge you can still come to our meet up [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
at 5:00 to 8:00 P.M We've tweeted out [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about it a couple times more about it. So [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
definitely if you're an Atlanta or near. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You can come and join us there. And while [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I'm talking about events. I want to throw [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
one more Paul and I also are going to be [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in Las Vegas the last week of October. At [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a couple of shows that are held together [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
called DEVintersection and IT

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
intersection. We're going to be speaking [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there too and probably will have a meet [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
up there. If you want to know more about [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that there's a lot of really good [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft speakers. Stephen Guggenheim is [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
going to be there. Scott Hanselman and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
who else. Brad Anderson a lot of big [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft names plus a lot of the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
M.V.P.'s and big well known speakers in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the community there. DVEintersection.com [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You can find out more there. So that's my [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
mega enterprise pick for the week.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- That is a lot of picks. Of course we've [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
got Ignite coming up. So that's expected. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And it close us out we've got the code [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
name Pick of the week and the beer pick [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of the week which I'm actually looking [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
forward to because we're going to be [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
doing a beer episode of know how. I may [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
not drink beer but I do like the smell.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(laughing) OK so, should I do [br]the code name now?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Do it[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Code name pick of the week is [br]Project Bletchley

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and yes it is named after that Bletchley

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
if you know what I'm talking [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about here. Let's see the one in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Bletchley Park in England. So this, what [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
project Bletchley is… is Microsoft's code [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
name for Azure block chain as a service [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
middleware. So, since last year, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Microsoft's been trying to work out a way [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to make Azure blocked, Azure block chain [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
as a service be something that people [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
might use in various industries not just [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for bitcoin mining and all but also in a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
lot of enterprises especially banking and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
finance because what is blocked chain [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's actually a distributed Ledger

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
technology so that makes sense in a lot

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of different enterprise type [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
applications. What they decided to do was [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to try to use Azure technologies to make [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it easier for people to build [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
applications that could take advantage of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
block chain as a service. So they came up [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with this idea of project Bletchley in [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
July. They put out a white paper and said [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
“This is how we think this might work.” [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
This week they actually put out what they [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
are calling version one of project [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Bletchley. What it is…is a template. So [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
version one's just a template basically, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but it's a pretty powerful template. It's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a template that is made to help people [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
figure out how to kind of on board into [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Project Bletchley. I wrote a blog post

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about this. I have a whole bunch of links [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with different things about The Cryptlets [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
technology that's part of the Project [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Bletchley, how that works and [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
architectural diagrams for people like [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that stuff. And Microsoft has a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
walk-through of how to use this template [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
so if you want to just start kicking the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
tires now and seeing what is this thing [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
as you're blotching as a service. You can [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
start doing that now through this [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
template that is available through the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Azure Resource Manager portal.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That's the code name.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Whoot, fantastic. And of course we got [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to do the beer pick of the week right?[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- Yeah so this is a very interesting bear [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
pick. Stone Brewing, San Diego area, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
makes a lot of excellent beers of all [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
kinds. They have a very famous series of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
beers that they've done called the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Vertical Epic series. So every year like [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on February second. The second of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
February which is 2/2/2002 they put out a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
beer. That was called the Stone Vertical [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Epic series 2/22 they did one in 3/33, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
4/44 and these are huge collector's items [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like people pay hundreds of dollars to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
try to get these old very rare beers from [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Stone so that they can have different [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
taste from the Vertical Epic series so

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stone being the smart burgers that they [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
are decided on their 20th anniversary to [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
remake some of these famous beers that [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they've brewed over the years and one of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the first that they remade is the 2/22 [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Vertical Epic. So they call this the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
stone 20th anniversary encore series this [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is 2/22 and 2/22 I've had it a couple of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
times I've had the original and I've also [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
had this remake. It's really good Paul [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
would love this. I know strong Belgian [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Golden Ale like all the things you love [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in a Belgian beer. It's almost like a [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
strong wheat beer.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) It’s pretty much all the[br]things I love. Period.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Mary Jo) It is pretty much, right?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Orange flavoring very effervescent, very it's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
not light like a lot of wheats because [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's a strong Belgian but around 7%, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
really good really, really good and the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
remake I can tell you is equally good. So [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
if you see this Vertical Epic. Series [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
called The Encore Series, definitely give [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it a try and know 88/8 is also available [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
now and I think will be others coming out.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-There you have it. All the news that's [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
worth having if you're a Microsoft fan. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Paul Thurrott, Mary Jo Foley, thank you [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
very much for making this an entertaining [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
enjoyable and very informative two hours. [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Paul Thurrott of course again behind [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thurrott.com. Paul, what are you working [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on, what should people be heading over [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thurrott.com to find?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) What am I working on? I can't [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
tell you that. (laughing)[br](Fa Bellencer) Can you hint?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) No I mean I… No. (laughing)

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Fa Bellencer) Your silence says it all.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) We’re in the middle of a… [br]we're rolling out like a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
premium service on the site and so I've [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
been a little preoccupied with a bunch of [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that stuff lately so it's coming soon. [br]That's all I can say.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Fa Bellencer) So just go to thurrott.com

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and find everything there is to know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about the man who writes the book.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And that would be a slogan.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
If I were making slogans that would be

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the slogan I would come up for you.[br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Paul) Not quite as good as the Man With [br]No Name but yeah.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
- A woman who does have a name [br]is Mary Jo Foley

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of course of the “All About…” always

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
say Android but it really is Windows

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
“All About Windows” blog over at Z.D.Net.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Mary Jo you always are my source [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for Microsoft happenings in the [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
enterprise anything interesting going on [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
your side that you're particularly[br]jazzed about?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I'm just I'm like really jazzed about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Ignite next week because I think they'll [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
be some pretty cool enterprise [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
announcements. And it's going to be great [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that we're right there on the ground with [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
all the big guys like Mark Russinovich, [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and Snover all the who's who. So I think [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we'll have some really good news stories [br]next week.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Fantastic! Again thank you for making my [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
job that much easier by being absolutely [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
brilliant and entertaining hosts. Don't [br]

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
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I'm not good at this Leo does [br]

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long as you're watching live why not jump [br]

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It's a good way to talk to the host, [br]

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