[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's time for Windows weekly with Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul Thurrott and Mary-Jo Foley. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft wants you for life, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and their ready to kill the next screen. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul is excited for the new Xbox and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mary-Jo talks about Microsoft's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bad cloud day. Window's Weekly is next. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pulse wave sounds) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Twit Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bandwidth for Windows Weekly is provided Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by CacheFly at cachefly.com Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Window's Weekly with Paul Thurrott Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Mary-Jo Foley. Episode 484, recorded Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,September 21, 2016 Microsoft for life! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Window's Weekly is literately brought to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you by Sonic, with 10 gig fiber internet Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,service provider. 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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Father Robert Ballecer in for \NLeo Laporte Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is currently looking for the answers Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to life, the universe and everything Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,acrossed the pond. Of course Paul Thurrott Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the guru behind Thurrott.com the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,previewer of news, reviews and analyzes Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for tech enthusiasts. Mary-Jo Foley the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mastermind behind ZDnet All About Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft blog. Together their here to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bring a light to the deep cave of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft news, like a over charged light Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bulb battery exploding in the darkness. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul, Mary-Jo so good to have ya. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo laughs) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) It's like your introducing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bond villains there. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) I know I was like Wow! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The masterminds. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) Master of Disaster Mary-Jo Foley. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Father Ballecer) Do you have a cat? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and can you do this with your fingers? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I think I need that on a business card. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I still used business cards I would. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is one of those strange things. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At these conventions that we go to \Nthese shows Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we all do the business card thing and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've even got down the whole Asian thing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of handing like this and a bit of a bow. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, um, those collect dust afterwards, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I almost never use them. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, No! I don't even have one. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I was going to say I think I have some, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I've never brought them anywhere. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Wait!, You two go to shows, don't you? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's kind of a thing, it's how you say \Nhello, right? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- uh Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Well now people just say, "where can Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find you?" and I just day "All About Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft" Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Mary-Jo and I just bump our phones Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together and say "Power twins activate." Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo laughs) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, I don't know every once in a while Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone will hand me a business cards Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have a momentary bit of confusion, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I don't have one of these things, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or I don't have it with me. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I feel, it's like a weird moment. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel like I need to give them something Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in return, it's like someone comes over Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a gift and you don't have anything Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to give them. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah, that's what it is. I know \NI'm handing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out cards like they are candy, but it's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just because I want to give you something. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like thank you very much for\Nyour time, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uh, here's something, and stop talking Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to me now. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing) yes, right! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) I've met the social obligation Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Father Ballencer) And if you actually \Nwant to see Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where this is gonna be put up you \Ncan contact Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ma at this other wise I'm just gonna \Nassume Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you just don't care (Mary-Jo) Yep\N(laughter) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) I needed a resume for something, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, like a year ago or more, I. . . Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thurrott.com, what do you mean I...? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing) I don't keep track of my Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accomplishments, I'm not even sure what Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would do with that. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Father Ballencer) Our Field producer, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colene Goldstein, she's actually Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really good LinkedIn. Before she \Nhands over Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her card, she'll just say can I find \Nyou on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,LinkedIn and she's just building up \Nthis huge Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,network of all these people that she's\Nconnected Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to and she says that's far more efficient Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than trying to take a card and then \Nremember Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it came from and who they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,represented six weeks ago. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because remember a lot of the people that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you meet don't actually work for \Nthat company Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they work for a PR company that represents Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the company that you are talking to. \N(Paul) Right. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you won't remember who that is unless Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you actually write it on the back of \Nthat card Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and even then sometimes you don't remember Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I have to look at the lower third to\Nremember Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mary-jo's name. (laughing) you know I'm Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really not good at that kind of thing. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) He's bad at this thing. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa. Ballencer) I have to look down here\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I don't see that? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) Hi! I'm Fr. Rob, What does \Nthat say? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing) Sir Foley, no let's not \Ndo that. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll right let's get away from social \Nconvention Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cuz we've got some pretty spectacular \Nwindows news Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's got this first one, because\Neventually Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft has finally "oh! that's right \Nwe're not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,offering the free version anymore, \Nmaybe we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should kill that nag screen" Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mary-Jo - Yeah I can start it off a bit. \NUm, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yesterday, the 20th, Microsoft put out a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,KB article that said "Hey we're finally\Ngoing to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,push through Windows update, an update Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that takes away the Windows, get \NWindows 10 app. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you remember July 29th was the \Nactual day Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the offer to get a free Windows 10 ended. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at that time they said it might\Ntake us Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little while to faze this out \Nbecause we've Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so thoroughly inundated everyone \Nwith this app Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the promotion. So actually the real Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,day when this ended at least when\Nthe app ended Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was yesterday. And it's starting to roll Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the Windows update. It replaces Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the get Windows 10 app and it goes away. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the weird complication \Nnot complication Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the weird kind of coincidence is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can actually still get Windows 10 \Nas free upgrade Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You just have to use your existing \NWindows 7 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or 8.1 product key and you can still \Nunlock the free Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,upgrade, which is something Microsoft \Nis not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actively advertising, but Paul has been \Nverifying it daily. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) well weekly Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) I've been asking him \Nis it still up Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa. Bellencer) Cuz, I was told \Nthat if you do Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the get Windows 10 thing and then \Nyou roll it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back you're always set you can always \Nre-download it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) Oh! yeah, yeah this is for \Nnew installs. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words you have never \Ndone this before Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a key you can do a clean \NWindows 10 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now and it would still work. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa. Bellencer) Wait! What? That's not how Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's suppose to work. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-jo) Yep\N(Paul) I know, and by the way Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one day it won't, I mean maybe \Nthis weekend Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the weekend after that, someday,\NI'm gonna Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wake up, I'm gonna test it and\Nit's not gonna work Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know it's just.. It's going to \Nhappen eventually. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, um, I wrote an article about this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not working probably a month ago\Nin anticipation Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of it not working and it's just \Nkept working Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the things been sitting here at \Nmy desktop since Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,August. (Fa Ballencer) So you just try and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do an update everyday just to make \Nsure it still goes? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) not everyday and least once a week. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Now does this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) Yesterday, I said to him can you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still do it? And he's like, Yep you can! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-So does this now increase the \Nvalue of the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows 10 upgrade, because now \Nyou can't get Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it except maybe if you know this \Nsuper secret, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now do people actually want it? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) I.. No.. I suppose.. \NI think the issue Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is.. Well if you wanted to save some money Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suppose you could go buy Windows 8.1 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,product key and you know, well you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wouldn't actually buy Windows 8.1 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should say, it's possibly you can \Nbuy a copy of it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somewhere cheaper because nobody wants it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anymore and than you could upgrade \Nnow for less money Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than buying Windows 10. Or maybe you just Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had keys for some reason, maybe a \Ncompany that has Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keys allotted or you bought the \Npackage version Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at some point, maybe you bought \Nthe Windows 7 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,family pack back in the day and you \Nonly used Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two of the three keys and you've got \Nan extra Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one sitting around for what ever reason. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have a key it will work. If you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got them from TechNet that will work. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, and someday it won't. So, we'll see. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Microsoft won't say when they think Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will no longer work in fact they aren't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really publicly saying that it still works Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you ask them, they just don't answer Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you ask about this. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I assume it's the same thing \Nthat they said Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the get Window 10 app Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it might take some time for them Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to shut it off. But the other \Ntheory is they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are just leaving it open for those laggers Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who didn't get around to updating by \NJuly 29th Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they can say to them "You know what, \Npsst Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the way." Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It doesn't hurt anybody, I think \Nthat's the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,point that if they are people out there \Nin the world Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Windows 7 install that they've \Nnever done Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft would much rather see them be on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows 10, if they're going to do a \Nnew Windows Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,install. Why wouldn't they want that. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I can also see this heading off a lot of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,complaints from people who said "oh man Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tried to upgrade and I totally forgot \Nand I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did it in August and it didn't \Nwork anymore" Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No that's not actually a valid excuse. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know September 21st, October 21st, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's starting to get to the point where Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't pretend you've been Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,procrastinating and than just forgot \NI mean, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know at some point it's just. . . Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their just leaving it open, its fine. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no problem with this. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- This is actually a huge opportunity \Nfor us Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I know Alex has been trying to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,update the Tri caster to Windows 10 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) Actually Padre, Let me correct you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you shouldn't run Windows update on the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tri caster, New Tech doesn't say \Nyou should Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I really hope that nothing. . . Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh Crap! (Laughing) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- This is what happens, You get a \Nnag screen Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the middle of Windows weekly Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's oddly blocking me out entirely, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's different (Mary-Jo) It is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know we're going to have to live \Nwith this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the next 20 -30 minutes because Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfortunately, click the initiated \Nand it'll Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take that much time to install and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uninstall it. (Mary-Jo) They'll see \Nus though Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're off to the sides. Not when you zoom Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on us, but the big picture you can see us. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) How do I know that this \Ngraphic hasn't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been used more gleefully on \NMacbreak weekly Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and whatever morning show I'm sure you do? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa Ballencer) Uh, this weeks it's Google, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this is actually the \Nnew title card Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Floss Weekly. Um Floss Weekly will Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never reserve your copy. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do either of you still have Windows 7,\N8 & 10 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Machines in your environment? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) Yes, I have 7, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa Ballencer) So no 10 at all? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) Yeah I have 10 and 7, but no 8 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa Ballencer) Really? I have 7, 8.1 \Nand 10 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) You have all of them. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa Ballencer) Well because I mean 10 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does still kill some of my USB devices Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so my production machines have to stay 8 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have one laptop and that just works Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better at 7. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) I just have the desktop I still Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use because it's just an older machine, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Dell that I've had for awhile \NI just left Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it on 7, cuz I'm like Eh, when I need to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,replace the machine Ill just get Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows 10 machine. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) But what about all those \Ngotta have it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apps you can't run? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Um?! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa Ballencer) Now a quick question, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this really did hurt Microsoft's \Nreputation, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right? I mean Yes, That number of how Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many deployments they have of Windows 10 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is forever going to be asterisk. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People said "Well how many of those were Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accidental upgrades or how many of those Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were installs and then rollbacks almost Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,immediately. This. . Will people \Nforget this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or will Windows 10 upgrade nag screen Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be the butt of jokes for the next two Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decades. (Paul) Honestly I think they've Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,irreparably harmed their reputation with Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this and not just Microsoft generally but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the reputation of Windows as well. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The forced upgrade thing was a \Nhuge mistake Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on their part and a very risky gamble and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the recent people aren't going to forget Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is because they came out and said we're Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to hit a billion within two to three Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years and then right before Windows the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,windows ten free upgrade ended they said Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know what we're not going to make that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,goal and so even though they did that they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were unable to you know meet \Nthis reasonable Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,goal, I thought, of reaching a billion Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,users in that timeframe.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- You know Mary Jo there's two ways to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at this. There's one way and \Nthis would, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this is where Paul lines up, there Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was an executive or some marketing person Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who said you know what we want to hit a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,billion because it sounds like a \Ngreat number. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let's just force this on people. The Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other way to think of this is that some Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,engineers said you know what people Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will like ten if they just try it if \Nwe just Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get it on the machine they will understand Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what all the hoopla is about. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which of those do you fall with? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So I also, like Paul, think this was a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big mistake and the part that really Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of riled me the most was when Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft was taking the tack of saying Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's for users own good that were doing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this and you know I was like wait this is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so paternalistic How can you say what's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for my good or my mother's good who Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accidently got Windows ten and \Nlike flipped Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out when she got it you know I just think Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that argument didn't work. I'm happy. They Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,made a free upgrade available very easily Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to people but I don't think they should Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have rammed it down people's throat. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's also, I don’t know \Nif it qualifies Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as ironic but, You know one of the kind of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contracts you enter into with Microsoft Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you do install or get Windows 10 is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're accepting a constant stream of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,upgrades and you really can't do anything Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as an individual to befriend that from Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening. Least not elegantly or easily Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and your introduction to this new world is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft seamlessly and inelegantly Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,jamming Windows 10 down your throat Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know it's it's kind of a nasty preview Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what the future holds for you when you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do this and it's just the wrong first step Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know to resent, it was a \Nterrible mistake Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah and then the, you hiding of the way Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you would actually accept the upgrade Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where people were closing the window. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was really bad. That made like a bad Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,situation worse. So yeah not a good look. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- In writing about this topic today Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I decided not to go back and hit on every Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,single little milestone in this because Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,frankly it's kind of depressing. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, when you go back to look at the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sheer amount of stuff that both of us I'm Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sure have written about this get \NWindows 10 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing since last year and the various ways Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they changed it silently some Windows Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Update, or group of Windows Updates would Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go out, some of them would prevent the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blockers from, you know or the un-blockers Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess from you know working. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of them would change the way the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dialog looked or worked. You know in the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,past when you close the window, it would Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just go away but at one point when you\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,close the window you silently \Nhave accepted Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the upgrade and that's purposefully evil. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's terrible. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-For me I think that hurt more \Nthan anything Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,else because I understand wanting to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,force out the update. Especially since Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they believe it's going to be much more Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,secure, it's going to be much more feature Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rich. But the fact that they kept playing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cat and mouse with people who just didn't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to be nagged anymore. That's the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reputation strike it's like ok \Nif I went to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the trouble of removing that nag screen Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then obviously I'm a savvy user if I can Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do that. So the fact that you're trying to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work around what I did. Now I feel as if Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're playing Microsoft nanny state. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Right -Yeah, yeah Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of times you know they keep saying Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know what, we're letting people get Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around it, if they go in and edit the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,registry settings. I'm like, wait a second Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hold on, that's not something most people Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should do. In fact, probably very few Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should do it. And so when that was Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like “Hey were give you an alternative Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get out of it. I was like uh, that's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not a good option. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-That's not an alternative. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–No Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I mean the funny thing they get looking Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back over a year of articles \Nfor this topic. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I reminded myself of was in late June Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one month before the free offer ended. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They finally added something to that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,box that said I don't want this please Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stop asking me. It took them eleven of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the twelve months to get to that point. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how it should have been on day one. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know it's just uh, you just can't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recover from this. We don't know, we may Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never know the psychological impact that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had on what may or may not have been Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very good to Microsoft customers that day, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who upon looking for a new computer at Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some time in the future may decide they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need, they are going to get a pro book Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,instead or a mac book or well probably not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Linux computer that's crazy. \NBut you know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I'm saying. That they're \Ngoing to look Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at an iPad even or something, whatever. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And just make that decision because they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't want to be harassed which is a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,completely reasonable request. You know. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Let's close the book on this bad chapter. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–Yeah, yeah I think so. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not a mulligan but it's since you say Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK you know what, you kind of hit some Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the numbers you wanted not the big one Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but now actually show us that our faith in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you is not misplaced. But to be fair, we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could look at other companies in the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,industry, like Google that are doing the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,same sort of strong arm tactics. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Google right now is making a big push for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,HTTPS, they want everything to be encypted Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,end to end on the internet, that's a good Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,goal, but some people feel that their Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approach is heavy handed. Now, the new Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,updates to Chrome are going \Nto automatically Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mark any site that doesn't have \NHTTPS built Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into it as insecure so that little icon is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to pop up, warning people that maybe Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they shouldn't visit the site. \NPeople think Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's heavy handed, but those looking at Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it say, "well this is ultimately going to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lead to a better internet." you could make Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same call here. You could say "Look, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this was heavy handed, this was Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft being the worst of the nannies, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but a more secure OS ultimately is a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better experience." Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-All of the goals that Microsoft had for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this were valid right. Even the \Nself-serving Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ones you know, the notion that we would Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all be better off if more of us run the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very latest version of the O. S. and were Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always updated to be on that version would Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make us all more secure because it's less Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work for Microsoft to do to fix \Nthe problems Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, are going to occur down the road Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone benefits from that there's no. . Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't really dispute it. But the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem is when they say oh good, everyone Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agrees? Good! Now you're all getting the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new upgrade is like whoa whoa hold on a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,second, you know, you mention for example Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you have U.S.B. devices that don't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work on Windows 10. I'm sure anyone. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,listening to this has some examples of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some things whatever might be, uh… Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that don't work you know or some reason Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever it may be that they couldn't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,upgrade. I mean you can't. . . I don't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,believe you can I mean they \Ntried you can't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really just jam this kind of thing down Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people's throats. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-And for our few fruit flans in \Nthe chat room Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now. Why is it that Microsoft trying Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to force Windows 10 on people was a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,boondoggle. Whereas another company's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decision to remove a standard \Nport was brave? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo laughs) Courage Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) Good marketing. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa. Ballencer) Maybe this was just Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft’s courage, and we’re all just Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,misunderstanding it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Uhm –Ok (Laughter) -Well OK\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) It was courageous of them \Nto attempt. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa. Ballencer) It was, it was. Although Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will say something I really don't like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the fact that they've disabled \Nsomething Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from 8 because if you do Windows stacked Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,side by side it's pretty seamless but if Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do one on top of the other there's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always a hard break as you move between Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,screens. In 8 you used to be able to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disable that sticky window, you just move Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right through it. You can do the same Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,registry edit in 10 but it doesn't fix it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That never goes away and that's why I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't understand that, Go figure. \NAll right. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we come back. We need to talk about Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something a bit more cheery because we've Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've been hammering on Microsoft \Nso rather Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than talking about a forced \NWindows 10 update Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think maybe we should talk about some Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Layoffs -Yeah. (laughter)\N-Oh boy! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–Yay let’s get pumped. But first let's go Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ahead and take a moment to thank the first Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sponsor of this episode of Windows weekly. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey folks do you worry about bandwidth Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we don't because here at the new Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Eastside studio. We've got 10gig. Yeah Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exactly 10gig provided to us by Sonic. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sonics 10gig fiber internet service \Nis what Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we use to get out to the Internet and in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other words some sponsors we say the show Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was brought to you by them. This was Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,literally brought to you by \NSonic if you're Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watching the show right now. You're Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watching us over a sonic connection Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because well we just love them. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Internet infrastructure in the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,United States needs fixing and Sonic Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understands that they're not \Njust a company Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that wants to sell you something \Nevery month. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're a company that wants to roll out Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,service where service doesn't exist they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deliver fast affordable internet phone and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,T.V. to homes and businesses all over Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,California now their mission is to bring Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Internet freedom to all with on limited Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and uncapped Internet they deliver Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,residential and business fiber to the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,premise networks with gigabit connectivity Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in San Francisco the North. Bay and the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,East Bay They've got internet service that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,includes fifteen email accounts and one Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gigabyte of storage personal web hosting Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a new domain and fax line service Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for those people who still need that now Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for only $40 a month Sonic offers Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you download speeds of up to one gigabit Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's one thousand megabits per second. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Compare that to whoever you have right Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now a home phone connection \Nwith unlimited Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,local and long distance calling \Nis included Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in all of their service and switching from Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your current carrier is easy and you can Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keep your existing phone number just with Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the flick of a button. Now by standing up Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for privacy friendly and local customer Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,support uncapped bandwidth an affordable Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pricing for all Sonic's c\Nustomer advocacies Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paving the way for a better state of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet access in America. As we've seen Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughout the industry in these last few Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years when you have a provider who is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,willing to invest who is willing to come Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a market that was previously closed Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,off who is willing to will be an advocate Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for customers. 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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK this is one of these stories that it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost feels as if a \Ncontinuation of stories Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we've already covered but who Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wants to talk about the bad news for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pink slips over at Microsoft. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) Oh wait, can we talk about the \NSkype thing first. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa Bellencer) OK sure. OK You know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what that's hold off on the super awesome Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) I mean it's related but we can Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we could kind of mix it up a little. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-The people getting pink slips got \Nthem over Skype. (laughter) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) That would have been interesting Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) Which explains why some of them Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been home. Some of them got it \Nseventeen times. (laughing) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) Burn, burn\N(Fa Bellencer) ok Skype, let’s do Skype. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Ok so this um, Paul should the S.M.S. \Nrelate because you, I think you've Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually looked at it, right? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-No, well not exactly, so, Err,\Nhow do I explain this, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but earlier this year Microsoft announced\Na feature that was going to come Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Windows 10 anniversary\Nupdate called messaging everywhere Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the idea is that you have a Windows \NPhone or an Android phone Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can use your computer to send\Ntext messages and receive text messages Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right like you can do in a Mac if you\Nhave an iPhone as well. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And everyone was really excited about it, \Nsome insiders started testing it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then very late in the game they said\Nyou know what. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually we're not going to put\Nthis in Windows ten. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This makes more sense for Skype\Nwe'll put it in the Skype preview app Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but sometime later in the year they \Nyanked it out of Windows 10 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some people were disappointed you \Nknow because they were using it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you know I think we can agree that\Na messaging feature makes more sense for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft's messaging solution than it \Ndoes for Windows specifically so Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's going to be part of Skype. So\Nin the most recent Windows insider build Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was released last week I think \NMicrosoft's added this feature in for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first time and now they're calling it\NS.M.S. relay actually been calling Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about for some time but it's a slightly \Nmore technical and less interesting name Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the functionality is supposed to work \Nthe same way in this initial version Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however you need to have the latest fast \Nring version of Windows 10 from Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,windows insiders. I think 14 9 23 or \Nsomething like that. And you also need Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have that same build on Windows 10 \Nmobile it only works on those two systems Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I have both of these things \Nbut I couldn't get it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not seeing it on my phone \NI don't know why. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the idea again is that you can from \Nthe Skype preview app on Windows 10 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for P.C.'s send and receive text messages\Nand so if your phone is over the corner Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,charging somebody sends you a text message\Nyou get a notification on your P.C. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,click on it you can reply to it right \Nthere. It sends out over your phone Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you would expect so it's coming. \NAnd it will come as part of Skype, right? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we won't have to wait for the next \Nmajor version of Windows 10 to get it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which by the way is another one of \Nthe advantages of putting it on Skype. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You know what's weird though I think I \Nmessaged you about this that I have an Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Android phone. I have a Windows 10 P.C. \Nand I am seeing my text messages Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from my phone show up on my Windows 10 \NP.C. and I'm not on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the insider program right! \N–Which is really interesting. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah, So I think it's because of Cortana \Nthough because I have Cortana on both Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I believe that also gives you some of \Nthat functionality but that then Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm like OK So is this in the future \Ngoing to be taken out of Cortana? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yes so, right. Actually it's kind of \Nconfusing because this is hum, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wrote a book about Windows 10 that I'm\Nstill updating for the anniversary update Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one of the things I put off literally\Nto the very end that I will wrote right Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the last of all the new content is \Nphone integration because it's actually a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little convoluted there are three ways \Nright now that you can get information Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back and forth from your phone through \NWindows 10 as I understand it. One is this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new S.M.S. relay feature in the Skype\Npreview. One is the thing you're seeing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the Cortana integration but \Nthere's also like a Windows phone Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,integration I will get Windows Phone \Nnotifications in Action Center on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows 10that are notifications that\Ncame from Windows 10 in the phone and so Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they could be about anything it will be \Nlike Facebook updates. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know different things from different \Napps on the phone and those things will Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually surface in Windows 10 of my P.C. \Nas well. So I'm still trying to kind of.. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where and how all these things happen\Nand why you know it's interesting I have Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three different phones, so I have and \NAndroid phone like you do and I have the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows Phone and also an iPhone\NSo the iPhone doesn't really do anything Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the expectation is that you'll have a \Npretty decent level of functionality Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through Android if you have Windows 10\Nand then obviously if you have Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows 10 mobile you would have\Nthe best experience Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because those two things would\Nbe tightly integrated. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You know that's something in a \Nfeature I actually would really like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something in Windows that shows me how\Nthe various services integrate because Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's always an crapshoot for me about what\Nnotifications I get on what devices like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you I've got I.O.'s devices I've got \NWindows devices I've got Android I think Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows Mobile and it always, I’m never\Nreally sure what is syncing and what's not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-It's like a roulette wheel and I just was\Nspeaking Skype specifically, this morning Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was chatting with Brad on Skype & we're\Nyou know we're texting back and forth Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he writes, I write you know five minutes \Ngoes by, 15 minutes and all of a sudden Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of my three phones in this case it \Nwas my iPhone the screen lights up and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I look over and it's a Skype notification\Nof something. Brad had written me on Skype Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about two minutes earlier. And so for\Nsome reason that one version of the app Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on that one phone lit up. It was like all\Nmy devices or weight are in the back and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of those are like I got it. I got it, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it just kind of like I'm having an \Nactive conversation in Skype on Windows. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know why? Why would these other \Nthings? You know how it is, if I go to my Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Android phone and I turn them on right \Nnow and I go into Skype. You know thus Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,waking it up which is a mistake. It's like\NJason from Friday the 13th or something Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if I do wake it up briefly it will \Nflash those one two three conversations Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are marked unread the conversations\NI had earlier with Brad actually this one Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Twit and the conversations I had \Nwith Mary Jo according to this version of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the app these conversations are unread.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I know, that happens to me too. Yet when \NI when I've had my Windows 10 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,laptop off for a while I turn on you know \Nthey all the messages filtered through Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then some show up as unread \Nand some show up as read. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yep. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-So I'm not sure what makes \Nboth of those things happen. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah I ended up going into Windows 10 \Nnotification I just turning off everything Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I was so tired of \Nreceiving the same notifications 15 times Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yep Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Actually there's something else that I\Ndo love the syncing across accounts Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that actually does work nicely except\Nfor the fact that at home. I've got this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,monster set up with two 4K. monitors\Nand a bunch of little monitors around the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,periphery and it tries to import those \Npreferences into my laptop and it doesn't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,matter how many times I tell it not to do\Nthat it. There's always an update in the, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the switch gets turned back on & suddenly\Nall the text on my laptop is tiny. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it's adjusting with what it thinks\NI want to the desktop, which that's again Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want some sort of central control panel\Nthat shows all my devices and which Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,settings are moving between which devices.\NIt sounds like that's an absolute Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,necessity now with all the different\Ndevices that we use. And with all the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,syncing that Microsoft trying to build\Ninto the products. That's a necessity. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah you know obviously Microsoft doesn't\Nhave a big presence slash Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any presence in Mobile and so one of the \Nconcerns that they have that maybe Apple Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't have and Google only has to a \Nlesser extent say with IOS Devices is the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cross-platform stuff you know Bart W on \NTwitter's ask Mary-Jo and I if S.M.S. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,relay is coming to the Skype apps on IOS\Nand Android as Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well and it's a reasonable expectation\Nthat it would but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know of course on Android you have\Na Microsoft has a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much easier way of getting into the\Nsystem and making Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this more seamless whereas in IOS, \Nif you think about how Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cortana works you kind of have to go \Nin and run the app Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for some things to happen. You know it's \Nnever going to be as. . Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though it can you know, it can sort \Nof run in the background a little bit Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can never be sure that it will always\Nbe there. This is more easily done on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Android and Windows Phone So if you… \NMary-Jo do you know off the top you head Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has Microsoft ever spoke to S.M.S relay \Non IOS Android? \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I don't remember them saying that. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–It seems like it would have to the right? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) I know it does seemed like it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would have to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-What would be the point of S.M.S relay Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Windows 10 mobile? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Right. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Mary Jo I've got an enterprise question Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for you. Do we know how many versions of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,messaging Windows has.. uh Microsoft has Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you've got Skype. You've got Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skype for business. You've got Skype for \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadcast and then you've got the link \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff which was actually supposed to take \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over for the Skype stuff but then that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seems to be flipped. Now that we've got \Nthe Dela Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you see what's in the strategy going Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forward or we just keep getting fractured Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,off into different types of Skype \Nand do they still have Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that artificial delineation \Nbetween consumer and enterprise? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-They do. They still have the delineation Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is still Skype consumer and Skype Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for business are not the same product Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though they're both called Skype and \Nyou're right. Link is still kind of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hanging around for some on promise the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff but ultimately Link, the Link name Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will totally go away and link will be Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,completely superseded by Skype for \Nbusiness that will happen. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Because that was going the other way. I \Nmean Skype was going to go to go away and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were going to keep Link and so now \Nthey've reversed on that. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yes So I think they're being pretty Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consistent on length being supplanted by \NSkype for business. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-OK. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I think next week which is Microsoft Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ignite we might hear some new things Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about Skype for business and kind of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where that's going because every time we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ask Microsoft about Skype they'll answer Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skype consumer questions but they won't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk at all about Skype for business. And Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think next week's show because it's a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very I T pro focus show we probably will Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hear some new things about Skype for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,business and hopefully about how it's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to be syncing soon with OneDrive Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and OneDrive for business. That's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something people are really waiting Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anxiously for and last we heard that was Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to happen in the final calendar Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quarter of this year. So we're almost in \Nthe final calendar quarter. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Seems like we should get some new\NNews on that next week. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Wait Skype for business will sync with \NOneDrive? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-With OneDrive for business, yes! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-How does that.. Wait what is it syncing? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- They’ll be integration. Sorry. Am I \Nsaying OneDrive business or Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,am I thinking Share Point. \NI’m thinking about Share Point. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-OK, OK that makes sense Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Sorry I'm thinking about Share Point Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I'm saying OneDrive for business but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, it may, Microsoft talked about Share \NPoint and OneDrive business being able to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually have better sync across those Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two products and they said that was going Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to counter Q four and I think that's what Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we might hear about next week. But yeah Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know every time we ask about Skype. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know we've heard recently that Skype Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is moving to this new kind of universal Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,next generation client and when I asked Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft you know does that also mean Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skype for businesses is going to be on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that same universal client. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They said we're not really talking\Nabout Skype for Business. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You're like whoa. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Don't get ahead of yourself here. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And don't forget the upcoming Skype for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Web R.T.C. because I mean that's also Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another universal client and universal, \Nuniversal. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-But we should talk about this thing that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surfaced this week called Skype for life. \NSpeaking of . Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Oh good I was just hoping we would have \Nanother Skype. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Speaking of Jason from Friday the 13th. \N(laughing) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-OK what is Skype For Life? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-OK So ARS Technica Dr Pizza over there Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got a tip from one of his sources or Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe multiple sources that Microsoft was Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working on a product called Skype For \NLife and he and a lot of us have first Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of thought maybe this was a name for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the universal Skype client that would Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work across all different platforms that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be kind of like what Microsoft has Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,described as the universal Windows Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,platform equivalent but for the other Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,platforms like IOS and Android. But then Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul dug around a little and thought it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through and he says no but that is not \Nwhat that it is. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-No! No I mean I talked Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Peter about it., Skype, Ironically. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I don't doubt that he was told this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't doubt that the person who Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,told him saw this and thought that they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understood what they were seeing but you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know I talked to the Skype guys back in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,June or July about the strategy Mary Jo Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just discussed where they're moving to a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new generation clients they have updated \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their back end infrastructure they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,temporarily have to maintain the old Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,P.D.P. infrastructure for certain Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,applications or services but that's going Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be going away. The combination of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these two back end services explains the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skype reliability issues that we've all Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seen over the past you know several Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,months I was told. And I thought you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, Skype For Life and making yet again Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new, some new client that would somehow Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,run across all those platforms didn't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make any sense to me and if you look at Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that next to their previously stated Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strategy it's clear to me that Skype For Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Life is just a marketing term and what Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're describing internally I think is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the culmination of that previous existing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strategy that the new infrastructures Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,switched over to their new clients are Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all available. They all interact and all Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have the new features and it's not that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's one client's I mean obviously Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows will have P.W.P. clients, IOS and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Android will have native apps there, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Linux will have what they have and there Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be the web version as well. And Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these things will have some baseline of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,functionality that works across all of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them on this new infrastructure that's \Nthe point of it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You know what I'm going to still be a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doubter here. OK I don't think, I think Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more I think about this the more I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think you're right that it isn't a new Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,totally new Skype client. I think that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would just be crazy and kind of going Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back to what they just got away from but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think Skype For Life is something else Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the reason I'm thinking that it's a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,marketing slogan but, maybe it's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like you know they call Skype Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,translator a feature of Skype like that. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how they brand that and Skype for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,teams which is what they're going to be Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing to compete with Slack. I also think Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they'll call that a feature of Skype. I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't think they'll call of a new version Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Skype. So I'm thinking Skype For Life Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might be something like using Skype to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,improve your life in some way. So maybe Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's like I don't know I'm just I'm Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,totally reaching here but Skype like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe Skype and the Microsoft Health Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,platforms somehow connected or you know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skype being used for some specific thing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's more about health and welfare and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe a very specific almost like a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vertical I'm just guessing here again but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's something else. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I mean that seems very far reaching. It Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might be simpler that you know it's funny Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were just kind of joking around and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,slash complaining about how you know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skype will ring on various devices and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever because we have various devices Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we're nerds and so Skype For Life Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could be as simple as what I think of a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skype everywhere this this feature you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know that a normal person with a computer Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a phone or a tablet and a phone would Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to get messages everywhere and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the For Life. In other words. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatever your life is whatever your Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,habits are whatever devices you choose to \Nuse Skype will be there. You know. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-That could be Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I just you know regardless of what it is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean I think it's mostly a marketing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,term. Right. Not so much a product. And Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's almost just a way to describe \Nfunctionality to normal people. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I'd be down with the marketing term. I \Nspoke with a rep a Microsoft rep over at Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IFA in Berlin last month and or no this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,month and of course didn't want to talk Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about it but what he was describing was Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this is Skype UC this is the unified Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communication promised the idea of we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't want Skype to be an app. It \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shouldn't be something you start up it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be something that is just Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everywhere. They're using Microsoft Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,products. You should be able to say Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cortana call Paul Thurrott and it will Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,automatically kick out Skype and it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't even call a Skype it just Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connects. Hum, and I can see that I mean Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that UC promises has been something Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's been around for ten years maybe Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is Microsoft finally saying let's do. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Or saying we finally have enough pieces Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in place for it makes sense right. I mean Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even the things like integrating Skype Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into Outlook.com and OneDrive.com on the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,web or the Outlook 2016 Mail clients in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,office 2016 which you know depending on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your view of things you might find Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,incredibly useful or incredibly annoying Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it certainly on the web, they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't do a good job with that but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that these things are all part of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,… how do you describe a bunch of little Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things? It's a.. what's the theme? You Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know universal communications is how we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would say it in the enterprise and maybe Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skype For Life is how they want to say it \Nto people. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You know what Padre just gave me a crazy \Nidea another crazy idea. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Oh good Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-What if Skype For Life is a bot? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Oh Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Now they’re intergrading more bots into Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skype right and there's been all this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk about a concierge bot that Bing was Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working on for a while to be kind of like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your personal assistant for a life. You Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know somebody who you could say hey what Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,movies are playing can you get me some Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tickets. Maybe this is Skype For Life? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-But then Skype for life would have to \Nfight Cortana to the death. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I know. Yeah. BOTS and Cortana they... Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think they're siblings I think they're \Nfriends but yeah Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Their twins, Skype For Life is the twin Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they kept in the closet until he was a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,teenager so he’s a little stunted. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've actually got people in the chat \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,room, we've got ‘hey it's Todd’ who Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suggested that Skype For Life is actually Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the name of a new form of judicial Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,punishment and then you see the really Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really bad, you only get to use Skype \N(Laughing) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-It sounds like a big punishment. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-And a guy could be like oh I’ve been \NSkyped. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Should it just be Skype 10? I mean, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cause that was the whole idea of Windows \N10. It is the last Windows you will ever Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,own is this Skype 10 is it like look it \Nwill always be this way. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-And what you're supposed to do Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything to ensure it. That’s windows. \NGod bless Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-The ultimate Skype. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Honestly Windows 10 is a terrible name Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right. That should have just been Windows Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think we need to go 10 I think if Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anything we should be stripping the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,numbers off of the products that still \Nhave numbers. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Maybe they really want it to be \NWindows X. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Apple's doing that right? Apple's \Nchanging back Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-They've kind of moved to the right Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they still have version numbers Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obviously you have to have the stuff Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,behind the scenes but you know they talk Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the new version MacOS as Sierra. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know and they've been doing that for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years. I guess but they really they \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emphasize that you know it's a friendly Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,name and I think that's a nicer approach Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than some godly book like H.P. product Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,names or version or just not version Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,numbers because numbers or even using the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,version number the name is just it's just Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's I think that's just old fashioned Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah it's kind of I mean because you \Nhave to… Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I know especially if its the last right Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last version of something, supposedly Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-It should have just been Windows \Nultimate, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh wait, we've already used \Nthat. Never mind! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Calling something the last version of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this product is like the worst way to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,market something ever invented. You know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the last version we're ever going Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make a Windows. Oh know we’re gonna Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keep updating it, but this is the last \None. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–There’ll be some serious updates to it \Nbut no, this is it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-So it really is just not smart mart. \N(Sigh) I'm going to be… Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,\NI'm going to change my name to Padre 10. \NI will be the last Padre, you’ll ever know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Actually if you can change it to 10.01. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-There'll be updates to Padre, but this \Nis really the final version.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) There will always be that \Nlittle hidden miss. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary-Jo) Padre Hena-versary. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Don't we… the Padre anniversary edition. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's ten pounds lighter but has all the \Nfeatures. (laughing) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right, we're going to bog down a bit Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,too much and it is a fun story, but there Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is one more story that has so much fun it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has to be dispelled. Paul. There were Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people screaming all over the Internet Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Microsoft is being the big bad by Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to lock Linux out of new P.C.'s Is \Nthis true? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–No! And that's all we need to say about Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that. If I could somehow make a career Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of just debunking stupidity. Right. I \Nmean I just… you get into these Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conversations of people on Twitter who Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see these stories and they.. I think it's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way conspiracy theories work right. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's.. it hits on your internal beliefs Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so you instantly throw common sense Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the wind and say oh course their doing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this. Microsoft is evil. It's like guys Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not 1998 anymore it could be maybe Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,upgrade the way we think about Microsoft Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and their relationship with Linux in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particular. The topic and if you don't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know what it is I guess we should Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably step back a second and say that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody had discovered that a Lenovo Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,P.C. bought from the Microsoft store so Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a signature P.C. and thus is running Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something called Windows 10 signature Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,edition which doesn't exist. Somehow has Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the magic capability of preventing Linux Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from ever being installed in that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,computer. That's not a capability of an Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,operating system that’s something that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would have to be built into the firmware Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess of the computer I mean I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obviously there's always going to be some Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way to brute stall anything on there but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, read it happens. There’s one of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the guys from ZD Net wrote a very calm Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and collected article but anyway I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,appreciated that. But here's the thing, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,signature P.C. is as I describe it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the smallest province of the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,windows empire that exists in Microsoft. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have no power at all the very notion Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they could require a P.C. maker to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do anything is ludicrous. Let alone the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world's number one P.C. maker. Microsoft Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not the business of blocking Linux. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They never really were. But it's one of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those things like a lot of people kind of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like want to believe is the case. Some Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guy supposedly from Lenovo got into a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,support forum somewhere and said Yeah. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This might this is part of our agreement Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Microsoft. That's not true. By the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way because Lenovo came out with a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,statement and said no that's not what's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening. It's one of those things like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't actually have to know the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,answer to know the answer. It's a little Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bit like the Skype For Life thing like if Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you think it through. It's like this is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not what's happening and so I ... I'm not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one that got the statement so I think Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's Tech Republic. They've got the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,statement but I did a write up about it \Nand uh debating it… Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-This is just secure boot on the UEFI \Nright?. I mean that's all it is. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-It's not exactly but it's that exact Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of topic yes but Lenovo has a one Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of, it's probably just one Lenovo Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,computer actually but there is a Lenovo Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,computer that has a very strange raid Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S.S.D. configuration and as people are Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discovering if they try to clean install Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows 10 on that computer it won't work Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either. It's. It's a very unique Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,configuration. It's not part of a secret Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cabal with Microsoft to screw Linux users Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of their new computer but you know I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think I said this to Mary Jo privately or Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe Brad we were I was chatting with Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody earlier today and so consider Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the market out there for people who are Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to buy a Windows based computer and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,install Linux on it right and there is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some number it's a small number but the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some group of people do that. And now Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's consider the subset of those people Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are going to drive to a Microsoft Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,store pick it lovingly pick out their… Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know favorite signature P.C. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,configuration from the store, buy it from Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft. You know their favorite Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company. And then put Linux on it. I mean Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not saying it's not going to happen but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,c'mon. I mean and this is Microsoft's. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Path to world domination we're going to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do it through the signature pieces that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nobody even knows exists at the stores Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can't even find there where you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,live. It's just the whole thing is loaded Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's just typical. Watching this cascade Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,across the Internet today. It's just as Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,depressing. That's just so typical. You Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know it destroys your faith in humanity Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or reconfirms my belief that we're all \Nidiots. I mean it's just it's sad. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-And he thought Lenovo did show. I mean I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can't remember what they call it it's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like software services but then on boot Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up you actually get the option of what Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,packages you want to install. So you \Ncould make it a signature… Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You mean..? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-All the crapware. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-That’s interesting. So Lenovo not the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only P.C. makers starting to do that kind Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a thing and I really like this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approach it's because it's something P.C. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,makers are not familiar with called \Ncustomer centricity. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know H.P.’s newer machines will do Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same thing and in the past you get a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bunch of utilities and things running in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the tray and whatever was. Now you have Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to seek out those applications and at the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time that you run it. It says hey we have Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this tray thing we can put it and you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to use it and if you say no that's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the end of it you know and that's the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way things should be you know don't you \Nthink. Yeah so. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Well it sure beats me having to spend the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first thirty minutes of my new P.C.’s life Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uninstalling everything that came \Npre-installed. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yes right. Actually we will never be Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deemed intelligent beings by future Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,civilizations because of things like this. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like when you buy an electronic Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,device and spend the first thirty minutes Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,updating the software or when you buy a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smartphone and you install apps and you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spend the next seven days removing or Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changing notifications or like what you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just said you buy a new P.C. and the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first thing you do is take things away Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from it. It's like this is so counter Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intuitive and counterproductive and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yet we just sort of sort of accept that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the way it is you know. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-That's what makes me so sad that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,signature seems to be kind of not an Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emphasis anymore because I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remember when I got my Acer S7 it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came to me as a signature device and I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't even know it was going to and it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was such a different experience. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Oh yes by the way. So let's see four Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years ago this month. Microsoft opened Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their store in Boston and I bought the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very first computer that was sold at that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,store which is a fifteen inch \NSamsung Ultra Book. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was one of the last Windows 7 computers Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they sold right because Windows 8 \Ncame out. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thirty or forty five days later \Nand to this day Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I restore that thing and it goes back Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to that clean Windows 7 signature edition Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing with beautiful wallpaper and you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know no crap anywhere it's still like this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,calming almost transcendental moment like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you open the thing up And you’re like nice! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know and that's not the reaction Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,typically happen with P.C. right? \NIt's too bad Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I mean seriously there is something about Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having to do a hard restore where you to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go back to the factory disks and you know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah when any time you do that there's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to be hours and hours if not days of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,updates it's going to have to go through Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,round and round and round but that's not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the infuriating part for me because that I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can just leave off in the corner. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The infuriating part is I know I'm already Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to have an anti-virus it's going to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take five restarts to fully get rid of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it just sticks in there and you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to do a little bit of registry \Nediting Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get rid of the stuff that doesn't\Nuninstall at all. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I know we've talked about this on the pod Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cast whatever. You know some months ago Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as part of the Windows 10 anniversary Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,update there's a new tool\Nit's not actually Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,included in the O. S. but it's linked to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the O. S. And so I think people are Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably familiar with the reset your P.C. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,functionality of that they viewed \Nin Windows 8 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also available in Windows 10. Thing is if Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you use that on a P.C. that came from a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,P.C. maker which is you know most P.C.'s. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The P.C. maker can edit that image that's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,installed so the crap all comes back right Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you reset the P.C. you get the crap. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's a separate tool called refresh Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows it's linked to from the same place Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the settings up in Windows 10 with the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anniversary update. You download the tool Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it downloads Windows 10 \Nit's a clean version Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Windows 10 and then you can install Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that and then so instead of getting the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crapware laden version you might get from Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say whatever peace maker Dell, HP, Lenovo Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever you get Microsoft's clean image Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right. And so the pro there is you don't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get the stuff you're talking about \Nlike the Anti-Virus Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever stupid utilities people\Nput on there. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The minus side is you may not get the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,driver you know Lenovo, HPNO and probably Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dell have decent utilities for keeping Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that particular machine up to date with Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drivers for example you don't \Nget that thing. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so you might have to do a little bit Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of extra work if you want some of that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff or if you need it you know if you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look in device manager and some of your Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff hasn't been recognized you know you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might find yourself going to the HP\Nor Dell or Lenovo or whatever you get Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft's clean image right. And so the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pro there is you don't get the stuff Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're talking about like the Anti-Virus Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever stupid utilities people \Nput on there. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The minus side is you may not get the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,driver you know Lenovo, HPNO and probably Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dell have decent utilities for keeping Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that particular machine up to date with Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drivers for example you don't\Nget that thing. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so you might have to do a little bit Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of extra work if you want some of that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff or if you need it you know if you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look in device manager and some of your Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff hasn't been recognized you know you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might find yourself going to the H.P. or Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dell or Lenovo or whatever website and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,downloading the drivers but at least you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have that option now. \NAnd so I think that's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot closer to a signature P.C. \Ntype experience Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except that it's not fine tuned for YOUR Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exact computer which was the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,point of signature. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-If anyone wants an almost \NSignature Series Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just buy the retail version of the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,operating system and that's what you get Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yeah it sounds stupid but it really Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is something that is so nice about Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,starting the P.C. and realizing the only Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing on here is the bare O. S. everything Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that gets added on is my choice. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-And that's by the way another thing I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think we all do with these devices doesn't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,matter what you're talking about a phone, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tablet, computer. That first day you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,install the things you know you need right Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just the absolute necessity. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah for example I need to\Ninstall chrome. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yes exactly which I believe it’s the only Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reason it exist. Over time as you use the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,device whatever it is you know P.C. tablet Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever you realize oh wait I need this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing too and it spirals right so over Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time you fill the thing up and you. You Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know there's a bunch of junk on there but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those first couple days are wonderful. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like the. You know the out of box Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing is kind of like it should be. I mean Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not always with the P.C. If you get Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the wrong kind but you know\Nthat's what it is. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we kind of try to recapture that magic Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every once in a while. \NLet's reset it back a little. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-But we do have to talk about the layoffs Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at some point because it is a big story Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's not it's not it's not \Ntotally unexpected right? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–Right! -We saw this. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah we did and you know I think a lot of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people forgot but in July Microsoft Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,announced during S.E.C. filing\Nthat they're Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to be laying off. Almost 3,000 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more people this fiscal year which is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their fiscal 2017. Over the weekend there Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a report by the Financial Times that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft was closing Skype London and I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saw some people report this says and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,laying off 400 people but actually the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,number that Microsoft is laying off is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,closer to 230, I think?! I called them and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asked them how many people is it and they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said it's about 230 and that's a \Ncombination Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people who work for both \NSkype and yammer in London. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people be moved to the Paddington Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,office some are just going to be let go. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They also last week. Paul and I kinda were Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,catching bits and pieces of this through Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook because we saw different people Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we knew posting to Facebook that they had Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been cut but they cut another 300 people Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on top of that mostly from the Puget Sound Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Redmond area and a few people from other Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,geographies around the world. These 500+ Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,layoffs that happened last week are part Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of that 2850 that they announced in July. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This isn't a new group of people who Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't you know who Microsoft said and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we’re adding another 500. These are people Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all different divisions not \Nall concentrated Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in one division. Except for the Skype and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yammer part that are being let go across Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the company. Microsoft's definitely Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,continuing to tighten, you know belt Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tight, doing belt tightening across the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company getting rid of people before the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,layoffs were largely Windows phone related Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Windows Mobile these new ones are not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they pretty much laid off all of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those people originally it was a bunch of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Microsoft sales people because they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had a sales reorg this year when Kevin Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Turner left. Now we're getting into the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,product areas some people in Windows, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some in , people across different parts of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the company. So if you hear \Nabout layoffs that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happened recently that is what happened. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah a lot of my Microsoft contacts are Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,heads down right now. Not necessarily Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they're fearing this round but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they realize you know what Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft is actually, they're not doing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the cutthroat competition anymore but they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are looking to the various departments and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,finding out “Do you have any personnel Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have not really contributed anything Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the last five years?” Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I think the H.R. term for these\Npeople is dead wood?! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah and it's always difficult to talk Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about someone like that but if you've been Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at a company for twenty years. And you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,haven't really been challenged or maybe Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've become really really cynical it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might be time to move on. I've seen that. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-In over the past year or two as we talk Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about layoffs obviously there's the human Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,side to it. It's always very tragic people Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to lose their jobs but looking at the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company from sort of a Microsoft watching Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perspective I think Mary Jo would agree Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a very big and in some ways still Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bloated company with lots of levels of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hierarchy and management so forth and… Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know the people I know personally for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft are to one very smart people Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they do want to change the world but I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think the system they're in might be a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little too big and complex. You know for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things to happen so it's possible that the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dell is making these changes like many of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the changes is made to speed response time Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make sure they're focusing on the right Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things and all that kind of stuff so. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-SCR 1 in the chat room is saying how all Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their downsizing their way to success and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know it's very easy to see it that way Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there's another view and if you take a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,step back. You can actually see it. I know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mary Jo and Paul you've both seen this is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you cover Microsoft so deeply but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially during the Bomber years. There Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were little fiefdoms that developed in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft and the fiefdoms were all about Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how many employees were under your Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thumb and so you had these…\N(Paul) That was awesome wasn’t it? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You had these little princes who are Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accumulating kingdoms not really caring Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the productivity they were getting Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of people they were just cared about Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how many people they were in charge \Nof and .. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-There's actually another side to this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with power comes the ability to influence Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,direction and I always think back to this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one example. I'm not saying that this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,product would have been successful but at Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time when Steven Sinofsky was running Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Office group there was a project that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came up from I don't remember what group Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was but it was in Office but it was basically Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an attempt to put Office in the Cloud at Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time they didn’t it called the cloud Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's called Net docs and he killed it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it competed with Office right and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the theory here is that Microsoft might Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have come out with something that was Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Google Docs and all that stuff \Nyears earlier. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they just hadn't been so or \Nif the people Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in power hadn't been so concerned about Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protecting their products. You know that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you couldn't compete with something like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows or Office if you did that you were Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out you had to support that right. Now, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's possible and probable that Net Docs Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a joke that it was based on Active-X. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it was stupid. Whatever I don't know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you know but that's the type of thing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that happens in that kind of organization. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Plus you know we've talked about this a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot but the emphasis of Microsoft these. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Days is very different from the\Nold Microsoft you know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows was the main cash cow of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft for years now everything has to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be about the Cloud for them and the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shareholders want that, The Wall Street Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,analysts want that. So if you're working Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a group that's Windows related. You Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know they're definitely kind of putting Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the squeeze to you. I think. And if you're Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing something that's more Cloud focus Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Enterprise focused. Something that's about Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collaboration teamwork that kind of gives Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you an edge and I think it's \Nalso just about Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,job kind of… not restructuring but more Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like changing of the emphasis set at Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what matters. And what's going to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make the money for Microsoft right. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So some of that's a play too. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You know I think we talked about this on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows weekly. The notion you know the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new newer surface devices say Microsoft on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the right. And this one Microsoft notion Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're moving forward as one company Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not as the you know the guns pointed at Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,each other all the little fiefdoms that we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were just talking about you know it's a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new way for Microsoft. You know a new \Nway of doing things Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Right and that's why I actually still I'm Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very bullish on Microsoft I love what Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nadella has done that idea of taking down Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ramparts and making the little princes Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually work with one another. Yeah it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't work any other way. Although… Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) Change is hard though because you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know externally. I agree with you right. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this stuff is necessary.\NIt's exciting for Microsoft as Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a company that in many ways to become so Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,calcified you know for to see \Nthem reacting Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to things quickly and moving quickly as it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's very exciting in hitting that the \Nright Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,products and things but I know from Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,personal experience with different people Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this change is very hard for some of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the people there's. And not just the ones Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who've been let go now. But just people Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who see projects just disappearing. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-But then there's some other people who Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the opposites true like they've been Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,champing at the bit for ever to like work Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with teams across teams and they're like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh finally they're letting us talk to each Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other before and that wasn't really Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,encouraged or even allowed right. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So those people are really happy. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not to hammer on Steven Sinofsky Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what the heck. You know when they did Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows 8 right. They went to the Windows Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Phone team and said show us the Metro Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff and they say here you go and for the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows Phone perspectives thought great! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're going to collaborate with these guys Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're going to come out with this cohesive Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,system. Nope they never talked again you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know the Windows Phone guys are always Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the B. team to the Windows guys now in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows 10 with him gone and you know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different people in place that is what's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening but it happens. \NThree to five years too late. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is stuff that should have happened Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on day one. These thing should have Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,evolved together. You know you could have Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,made the case back in I guess we're Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking 2010 -2011, 2012 certainly that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows Phone had been in market at Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mature to some point. If you're going to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go to market with an R. T. style\Ntablet device. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It should have been Windows Phone O.S. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was already there. It had to Apps. It Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was all there but no they started over Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from scratch. They created another Windows Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,system that ran out arm. Instead of you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know basing it on the thing they really \Nhad very strange. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-About ten years ago I had a contact in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Xbox division and a contact in the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows division and we had a weird Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exchange of the course of six weeks where Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically they were using me as an Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intermediary to pass messages. I was like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you work literally 400 yards away \Nfrom each other Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's going on here? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Oh by the way if they're still there and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on same teams they all work for the same Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guy I know -Exactly, exactly. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-That's one organization now. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-That's why they were emailing through me. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're like we can't be seen \Nto be emailing Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one another. Someone will see it and get Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really upset I was thinking that is so Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dysfunctional. That is the worst kind of \Ntriangulation ever. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Even you know like Ray Ozzie remember Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when he was the chief scientist \Nor whatever Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the chief software architect. You know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know he allowed teams to compete on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know file sync technologies and things Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like that and instead of determining you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know that you're the best ideas from each Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,group let's make one thing you know you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allow this internal competition to occur Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what happens on the outside is you see Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they have three different file sync Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solutions at the time or four and which Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one do I take a bet on and why are there Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so many and doesn't the show a lack of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leadership. You know and I'm sure there Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are management strategies or theories that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a good way to do things but we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know from experience with this particular Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,subject that you know that didn't go very Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well. And eventually it all became \NOneDrive Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know but for several years there were Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many, many different solutions. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-There were. I remember when all those Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think engines were out there and it was Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like it was a time I should think you like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which one are they talking about right now Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I'm not going to remember all of them. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-No there are a lot Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I mean now there is Windows Live Sync, \Nand uhh.. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-There’s a Sequel one, Sequel team was Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing a whole different sync thing. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You know it's like a mosh pits theory of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,management like let them fight it out Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I prefer the days of active sync where \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was active sync and then active sync Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for mobile and active scene for enterprise Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,active sync for exchange because\Nthat really Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,made it. You know very easy to understand. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-What do you call it when you reuse an Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,acronym? What is that called? Uh, You Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,double it up or whatever it's like they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did that with active sync was which is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ever used. You know as a term. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Someone just thought it sounded like a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really cool name so they wanted to use it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on as many products as possible and it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,took me a while to realize that \Ntwo products Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were called Active Sync actually Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had… it was no sharing of the code \Nbase between them Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Those guys probably hated each other. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yes. Well because it was the exchange Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,side and then it was the mobile side \Nand they didn't, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, they were competing \Nwith each other. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I remember the spinning green circle \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very well I still have nightmares about \Nit. (Laughing) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's what happens when you build a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dysfunctional company. All right. When we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come back. What's going to be? Wearables? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ignite?. What do we want to talk about?\NIgnite? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You mean like the Note 7? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah (Laughing) It's too soon, \Ntoo soon man. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, let's do wearables because Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody wants to know what's\Ngoing on with the Band Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Of course. So we'll be banding up in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just a bit but first let's go and take Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another break. Because we need to thank Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another sponsor of Windows Weekly.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey folks, do you read? Of course you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,read but you probably don't read as much Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you want to. I know I don't. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There came a time when my schedule just Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got so full that I don't have those free Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,evenings to curl up with a book I can't Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do that hour of reading in the mid-day. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have the breaks. I'd like to, to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pick up my favorite pieces of fiction and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nonfiction. Well there's a new way to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,read with your ears. That's right, it's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called Audible. Now I spend a lot of time Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the car probably about two hours every Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,day coming up and down from San Francisco Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Petaluma and I spend a lot of time in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the air in fact I just spent 27 hours in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the air coming going to and from \NEphraim, Berlin. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to spend another 30 hours Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going over to Rome at the \Nend of this month. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's nice to have my favorite books, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the books that I want to read that are on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my wish list ready to go with a touch Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a button. Well that's exactly Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you get with Audible. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audible is a leading provider of audio \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,books across all types of literature \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including fiction nonfiction and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,periodicals they offer a language \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,instruction in foreign language course in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,audio book format so you can always be \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,improving yourself no matter what you're \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing. No matter where you're going no \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,matter how busy your schedule might be. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For listeners of Windows Weekly Audible \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is offering a free audio book to give you \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a chance to try out their service. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One audio book that I absolutely \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recommend, I recommended to everybody, in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fact I've been recommending it since it \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first came out and that is The Martian by \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Andy Weir. This book is absolutely \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fantastic. If you liked the movie you \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will love the audio book. I'm actually \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,addicted to this. I do a lot of trips \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the last Vegas and this is just \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the right length to get me from \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here to there. It's all about a man \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to survive on his own with nothing \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but his wits and his biology skills. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want to find out what it's like to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,live on the red planet, if you want to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,listen to a premise that is fresh that is \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not based off of a comic book that is not \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based off of a series. You've got to try \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Martian it's free. Because you're a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,listener of Windows Weekly. Now to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,download this audio book for free or \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another one of your choice you can go to \Naudible.com/windows. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's audible.com/windows, of course, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to give you just my pick. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know this is supposed to come later Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the show but Paul, you're a big Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,audio book listener as well, Yes? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) Maybe?! (Fa Bellencer) Maybe?! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You were teasing me with a pick that was \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to change my life.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Well you know I liked, uh, I like \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,personal tech industry picks from \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possible there really aren't that many \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really good ones. We talked about \NMasters of Doom, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is story about the ID software Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guys read by Wil Wheaton, which \Nis fantastic. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had recommended that one sometime ago. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone who listened to it loved it, and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recommended one back to me, I bought it.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't actually started it yet but \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the next book it's called \NConsole Wars. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sega, Nintendo and the battle that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to find a generation and if you think \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back to the history of video games in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particular I think the, I think, I mean \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe I'm wrong here but the Nintendo \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sega stuff of the late 80’s, early 90's \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is kind of the second major generation of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,video games you know Atari, Odyssey, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Intellivision, Coleco Vision, etc being \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first generation. And so it's the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,story of these companies and you know how \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nintendo and then eventually, uh, Sega \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and assume Sony you know kind of just \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changed things through the early 90’s.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well there you have it. You've got an \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,older fiction pick for me. You've got a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nonfiction pick for Paul you can pretty \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much find everything in between at \NAudible.com. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now this offer works for one credit \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,books there are very few that are two \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,credit that won't work with the software \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if you want to try out Paul's book, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you want to try out mine. You need to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try Audible.com and we thank Audible for \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their support of Windows Weekly. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, So we've got some Wearables I did see \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a few of these in Berlin and they looked, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they looked wearable, they looked \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting. But should I be\Nexcited Mary Jo? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I you know I still I'm, I don't have a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smart watch. I did use the Microsoft band \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a bit of time and I thought it was \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, I use the band too but I'm I still \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,haven't really seen any wearable device \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm like, Yes, I would pay that, I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would wear that. And now if you are a fan \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Microsoft band. We talked last week on \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the show that we had heard some rumors \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Microsoft may be no longer making \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the band after band two. Right after the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,show ended, a day later we found out that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft was rebranding the Microsoft \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Health application to Band. So people who \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are downloading the Microsoft updates to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Microsoft Health application for IOS, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Android and Windows, were seeing suddenly Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it was called Band instead of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Health. Microsoft hasn't really said \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's going on with that but my sources \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said to me that what they think is that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft's rebranding Health to Band \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because right now Microsoft, the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft health app that exists really \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just is meant to sync with the Band. It's \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supposed to work with Microsoft band. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think what they're going to do is \Ncome out \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with another new app that will be called \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft Health. And that will work with \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Microsoft Health Service on all \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different kinds of devices not just the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Band. They'll be able to work with. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Android devices different kinds of phone \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,platforms and all, all different kinds of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things and I think the reason they're \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing this is Microsoft's priority going \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forward in the space is the health, the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,health service and the health \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,applications and not so much the actual \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,band hardware which has been something \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a lot of people love but has had \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of mixed success. And in fact the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Band 2 a lot of people have had problems \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with it splitting and they've had to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,return it and I just, I just think Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft's kind of in a place right now \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where maybe they're thinking about a new \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wearable at some point maybe it'll be \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another kind of a fitness band that'll be \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,branded Surface someday but I think the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Band line as we know it is done and now \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're going to see them talk about how \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the health service and the help app and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not so much the Band. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa Bellencer) I think are going to call\Nit Band For Life. I think is… Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-No don't give them any ideas please.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) How did you find out about our \Nsecret plans? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Actually, maybe Mary Jo is right. Maybe \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Band is now called Skype For Life. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're going to wear Skype. Because that \Nmakes sense. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do either of you wear a band? I like the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,band, I did try it out. But do you \Nwear it on a daily basis? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary Jo) No\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) I mean well I switched to Fit Bit Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three months ago ish. I mean you know I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really I like the Microsoft Band for what \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is I think it makes a great \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compromise. Compromise? Is the wrong \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,phrase. It's a nice middle ground between \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an expensive and complex smartwatch and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a lower end kind of fitness tracker \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right it I think it's got the right mix \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of functionality. I think the thing that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really kills it be on the reliability \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,issues which you know came to light over \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time is just you looking at one day \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,battery life. That's the problem with the\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Apple Watch, it's a problem with a lot of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these devices. You know a FitBit, Ulta. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think is the one I have the thing lasts \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for seven or eight days on a charge it's \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,incredible and. It accomplishes the same \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basic things that I like the most about \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wearables today which is somebody texts \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you and you can see what it is you get \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know reminders to get up and move \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around. It's it does the fitness tracking \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of stuff so I think I think they \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just running into a marketing issue and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the one hand where you know no one \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even knew this thing existed they didn't \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do good job of selling it and just a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,battery life limitation you know an Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Apple. I know wanted to put solar kind of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activity on the new Apple Watch and they \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't because of the battery life stuff \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was no way to cram a thing \Nin there make it work. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well let's, let's not say that because \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Samsung did. So Samsung’s got their new \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gear S3, which does have a cell radio in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it, and Bluetooth and WiFi and it runs \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for four days. So it’s posssible\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) What I meant was Apple \Ncouldn't do it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Apple couldn’t do it, Right!\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So uhm, one of the things that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft did with the original Microsoft \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Band that was pretty impressive was just \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put that much in there in a sensor sense \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think there were eleven sensors in the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first device. You know the second one \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,added one or two other sensors you know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were Barometer for altitude and so \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forth you know that kind of data \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collection is really exciting you know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's see what we can do with that, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,promise. They never really did much with \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it. You know and of course we don't do a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good job of selling it and then as Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mary Jo pointed out sadly the second one Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the same exact reliability issues as Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first and that's if there was this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of the end of it right there. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-They also at least at some point were at \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of contemplating the idea of putting \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows, some variant of Windows 10 \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inside the Band. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Bands, the Band on and two both had \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,firmware inside. It was not Windows \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inside. And right before..\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) It’s basically Linux by the way.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Is it really? (Paul) Yeah\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um right before we get all these tips \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about Microsoft, maybe ceasing work on \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Band I had heard from one of my \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contacts that they are the team that was \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put to try to get Windows 10 to work on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Band had been disbanded. So I think. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yeah I think I think you know that the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,idea was let's make this part of the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows 10 family right. Like everything \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,else has everything else is running what \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the core of Windows 10 the Common Core. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So why not have the band do that too but \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for whatever reasons they decided that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was going to work not feasible. And so \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe it's they go back to the drawing \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,board. Now come up with a new wearable \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is Windows 10 core from the get go.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) Yeah I was thinking as you were \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about other wearables which Brad \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who I work with has heard as well. I was \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinking you know they have to be looking \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at Window 10 this is the point you know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the universal platform that they can add Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that to the list of targets you can have \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a developer. I think that has to…\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary Jo) Me too!\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'm just I'm still not really sold on \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the wearable tech and I've covered it \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extensively. I’ve had a bunch of really \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good pieces of tech in my lab but \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ultimately I don't want anything on my \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wrist in fact this is you mentioned \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,battery life this is the problem with \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the technology that was \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generously donated by Leo Laporte. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically because I waited for him to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remove things from his office to go on \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the free table and I just followed ‘em \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I got myself a modem 360. It's a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fantastic piece of tech but because I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take it off and because you have to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,charge it on that little awkward docking \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,station. I sometimes forget it \Non my lap table. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So you were just saying do you have a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,band and I went upstairs and change I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually took the FitBit off and left it \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up to my bedroom. So I actually normally \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have it on but right now it's not. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's just a coincidence but the problem \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have with that exact advice you're \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about. I have one as well. The \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moto 360 or the Apple Watch is that these \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are you would get you would get used to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it because if you just use the one device \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's as a kind of a strap that you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have. Kind of connected everything it's a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fairly you know you balance the thing on \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your wrist and you turn to try and not \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know it it's because I test different \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,devices like I sometimes don't spend \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enough time with any one device like the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fitbit is very simple to class the Apple \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Watch I find in the Moto 360. You know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to get used to it right. It's \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of like tying shoes you have to do \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it a bunch of times you know so you can \Nget good at it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I have to think adventurously I would \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get used to it because I wore a watch for \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first 20 years of my life but since \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I just I don't want to hitting on my \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wrist it just feels weird even, even \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after a couple of hours of it being on my \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wrist I still feel it there. I still want \Nto take it off. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I wear regular watch still and I feel \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weird when I don't have it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) What do you do with that?\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I actually use it to tell time. I know \Nwhat a thought. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-And I thought watches only do things \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like give you really abbreviated versions \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the text messages so that you have to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reach in your pocket to take out \Nyour phone Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary Jo) And that’s why I don’t need one\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I used to, you know. When people got \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,laptops and then smart phones. You know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get into that kind of meeting joke \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where like people are sitting there doing \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their own thing on their devices and not \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paying attention to whatever the person \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is speaking or saying. And that's \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,considered rude it might be \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unprofessional whatever and so you know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the big defenses about a wearable \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is like you know if you're a smart watch \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can casually glance down at your \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watch it’s not as obvious or as terrible \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as looking at like a phone screen or \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tablet or a P.C. or whatever but you know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think nothing signals to the people Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're talking to that your not attention \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than when you do this kind of thing, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like really. And now you know I mean it's \Njust…\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Or it looks like you're bored right and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're like ugh is this over yet?\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-We almost done here? We'll\Nwrap this up soon. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I do. I love sitting at a table when \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone's wearing a smartwatch and I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think, you could tell they don't want to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be rude but their eyes keep going down in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their wrists like this, you know like I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know what you're doing just take out \Nyour phone man. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You should just start asking Siri \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions. (laughing) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Siri delete that e-mail. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah. As my daughter once did she walked \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into my office and she said Xbox off. \N(laughing) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-And actually across the Internet there \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are cries of anguish because people are \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watching Windows Weekly while playing \NGears Of War. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) Cortana, What’s the weather? \N(laughing) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Oh, no! You know, I don’t know. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand that wearables have a bright \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,future I understand that it's a big \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,profit center. I understand it has to be \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a part of any cloud strategy because it's \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a great way to get data metrics but I'm \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still not completely sold. Go figure! \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything else about wearables or should \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,move on to Cloud?\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) Sorry I was just looking at my \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smart watch I missed what you just said. \N(laughing) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- That's about right. Are we done \Nwith wearables? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah, let's talk cloud Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Let's talk cloud because this actually \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is exciting interesting and worthy of a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,post-mortem. What happened?. Microsoft \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suffered a major cloud hic up and a few \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people picked up on it quickly and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually Mary Jo, you were one of the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very first who was able to confirm that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was outages of various Azure \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,services. What happened?\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah I didn't, it wasn't any kind of a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,great, great thing that I did. Also I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came on Twitter last Thursday morning and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody was tweeting to me like as \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Azure is down. It's a huge outage so I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,looked at the status page and they were \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having a giant D.M.S. outage for Azure So \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that took down ended up taking down like \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost every Azure service or at least Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,limiting service on it. I mean everything \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was going down as Azure media services, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Azure search HDInsight, everything, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything was it was like a cascading \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing and then there were no workarounds \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being posted and people were just saying \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can’t do anything. I'm like totally \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuck. I cannot do anything. I'm just \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sitting here twiddling my thumbs. So \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after a couple of hours. Microsoft got \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DNS back up but then in the central part \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the United States. People were still \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having sequel outages. Then after \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything seemed to be solved. I started \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting people tweeting me about OneDrive \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being down and I don't know if the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OneDrive part was connected to the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,original DNS outage because parts of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OneDrive do run on Azure. I never could \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confirm that was connected but it seemed \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be right around the same time and that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outage hit a number of people in Europe \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the US, I think also India for \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,number, a number of hours and Microsoft \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wouldn't say anything about that one and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't get anything just that we know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some customers are experiencing problems \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're working on it. That's it. So if \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you if you want to know more about the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specifics about what happened and what \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft saying they're going to do \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going forward to try to prevent this. If \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you go to the as Azure status page that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could you could just search for that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as your status page and you look up in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the history September 15th. You'll be \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,able to see the whole poll postmortem and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dissection of what went wrong and what \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they intend to do to try to sure that up \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going forward. It wasn't a good day.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It wasn't a good day and I think the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,official position was that it was a spike \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Network traffic that brought down DNS \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I mean suspiciously sounds like \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's was attacked and that's what \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially some people thought. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Some people thought that. Some people \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were like it must be a denial service? \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m like well I don't know if it is but \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're not saying it that's what it is \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but who knows? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'm with you at the far more \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting part of the story is not that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there could have been a denial of service \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against Microsoft DNS because that could \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happen anywhere. The more interesting \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part is the services that are actually \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,linked together by Azure. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-It does give you a sneak peek into some Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the inner workings that Microsoft Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been very recalcitrant to explain. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary Jo) Right. We know there are tons Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of services available on Azure if you go Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on at the Azure page you can see they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have so many different products now Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working on Azure plus a bunch of other Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,services that are parts of things like not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of Xbox Live runs on Azure but some Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pieces of it do to so when Azure has a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,major problem. It affects pretty much Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything. Office 365. I mean they're Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connected in there too, so you know when Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have something like a DNS outage Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pretty dire and something they needed to\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fix as quickly as possible. I will give \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them credit that they were giving people\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very regular updates but the updates \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weren't very encouraging. It's like yeah\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we know this is down and we're trying \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fix it. That was kind of it. Least, at\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,least they were acknowledging they knew\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they were working on it because \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes the health dashboard goes down\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to in Azure then you, it looks, when you \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at it like everything's good. But \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nothing's working so at least this time. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was not the case. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Right and the thing about Azure is, it \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a self healing network and it should \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be able to route around problems and the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fact that it did come back up relatively \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quickly for such a large network that is \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a testament to the technology but there \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is no such thing as a network that cannot \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be brought down. There's always going to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be and as long as it's using the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,networking protocols that we have today. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can take it down, if you want if you \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had enough resources but, but Paul let me \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ask you about this. There was a saying in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the early days of cloud computing in the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,early days of say like the Google \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chromebook that. Oh this sounds like a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good idea to move everything into the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cloud until you lose internet Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connectivity and then that one bad day \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,makes the entire investment worthless. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was the bad day. This was business \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the middle of the workday not being \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,able to access Office 365, their OneDrive \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to different degrees. Does this, did this \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kill it, did this make it an incredibly \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bad day and now it makes the \Ninvestment useless? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-No I, you know the thing that's always \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lost in these discussions is that. Cloud \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,computing is not an all or nothing affair \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you talk about things like e-mail or \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obviously if it's cloud hosted I mean it \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is Cloud Hosted, even before we had a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cloud. If that thing is down, its down. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s nothing to do about that but you \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know your data should be synced to your \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,client, your application should be \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,running on your P.C. I mean as an \NOffice 365 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,user you should have access to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,functionality and so it's not that it's \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not all or nothing. You know and I still \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think that the promise of the cloud is \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,met by today's infrastructure you know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that it can only get better with more \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pervasive contact of it sort of course Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I don't know. Honestly for all of the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of Chicken Little stuff that goes on \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with cloud computing even today these \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things are kind of rare aren't they. I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mean we don't really have weekly \NOffice 365 Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or Gmail outages it doesn't really \Nwork that way. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-No. I think one thing the bug a bunch of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people in Europe about this one last week \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the week before that there had been a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pretty not, not as pervasive but another \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outage that affected Azure and people \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like wow twice and two weeks what the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,heck Microsoft you know come on. So I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agree it isn't something happens every \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,day and I don't think it's a reason to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just abandon cloud computing or say oh \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's why I'm not doing the cloud \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you know your own company's \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,servers go down to it if you're running \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your own servers. But I think I think the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fact that those two things happen back to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back got some of the people especially in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Europe kind of agitated and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understandably so. Yeah. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You know this is why you've got a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company like VMware which has admittedly \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had some bad years as they've, as people \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been moving away from virtual machines \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into containers. But they're betting \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything on their N S X platform and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the NSX platform ensures a way for \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enterprises to be able to do hybrid \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deployment so On-Premise and not just \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On-Premise and cloud but On-Premise and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in multi cloud in other words they want \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make it as easy to run in Azure and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AWS and Google Web services and the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,premise at the same time so that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,theoretically as long as your network is \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up has some sort of connectivity. You \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should still be able to continue working \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I, you know I think we're going to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see more of the big players including \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft who will take that that view of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we will let you run your Azure services \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on another web service to give you that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,measure of security that you will always Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be able to get to it even if one of these \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,services goes, goes down. I see that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being becoming popular. Or no? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah, I hadn’t heard about that actually \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that's kind of an interesting thing \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something to listen for next week. See if \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft talks about that at Ignited\Nat all. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah it will be uh. It will be a brave, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,brave new world. Speaking of a brave new \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world. There was a story that we actually \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talked about the last time I stepped in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Leo I think it was back in June of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft announcing a new Azure service \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was in Germany and the big news \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about that was it would be entirely in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Germany. So all the data would be stored \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Germany they would never allow any of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the data to go to a data center that was \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not in Germany because Germany has really \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good privacy laws and Microsoft is saying \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we will not even have access to it. We're \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to give everything to a caretaker \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,third party in Germany. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Can I say Ick bin ein Berliner \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Ick bin ein.. yeah if you were a citizen \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the cloud you were a citizen of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Germany and I say to you, Ick bin ein \NAzurler. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Azulier (laughing)\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-But Paul what's…what’s this all about. \NIt's finally out?\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- This is..oh I don't, I have no idea \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what this is. This is Mary\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah this is me.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) I’ve heard of Germany Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-So right. You've heard of Germany. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughing) So today is the day that this \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new Microsoft region in Germany. There's \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two data centers that and that it \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually was turned on an open for \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,business. So um, yeah it's a big data \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sovereignty story like you just said \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Padre it's something you know Microsoft \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hasn't been able to completely block \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access to customer's data from \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,governments when requested and that's \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what their whole Ireland case is about \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they've been fighting there but \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're trying to kind of get around this \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in different ways and this German data \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,center idea where T. systems which is a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Deutsche Telecom subsidiary is acting as \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the data trustee in this data center is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coming to play. So if you, you can decide \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you want Microsoft to be the one \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accessing the data there or you can say \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no I don't even want Microsoft in here. I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want, I want T systems to be my \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,administration here in Germany. So any \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Azure service that can run in these data \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,centers is going to have the same \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protection. So for example IOT. IOT is \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,running in these data centers I believe \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Office 365 also so you'll still have that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,benefit an offer of having an external \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trustee be the one administering your \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,data and the data will stay on premises \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there in Germany. So kind of cool, kind \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of like a workaround for Microsoft to try \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say you know what we're taking your Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,privacy seriously people and here's what \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're trying to do to get to kind of. Not \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get around the law but find another \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creative way to ensure data sovereignty. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I don't think they're getting around \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the law. I think they're trying to fill \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the void where the law has \Nnot caught up Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary Jo) Exactly! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The great some very high profile cases \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involving Microsoft and data security \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the most high profile of them would \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be the case in Ireland about whether or \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not a U.S. court could compel Microsoft \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to give them information that was stored \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a server that was on the land of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another sovereign country. And Ireland \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a little bit iffy because they were \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going back and forth about what was \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allowed by treaty and what was not but \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Germany. It's very clear. You cannot \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,step onto German sovereign soil and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,demand something from a data center and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's why Microsoft's set this up. But \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's going to, who's going to buy this? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who's, who's going to want the service? \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who's going to demand the service? \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I think a lot of customers in Europe, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right? For sure. I've even had people \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asking me if I'm not based in Germany \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could I transfer my data from another \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,data center to this one and I don't know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the answer to that I think I did ask \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft that but I haven't heard back. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So people, I think people are very Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested and curious about \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how that's going to work.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'd be surprised a lot. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary Jo) I would too but, yeah we’ll see\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Actually P.S. chops in the chat room \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has an interesting point. He says as the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,law catches up. We could have a data \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,privacy Cold War you have different Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,countries saying well I mean if you let \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them into the data for our citizens we’ll \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let them into the data for your citizens. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh I would say right. It will also have \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a situation where who's going to be the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cayman Islands of or the Switzerland of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know data storage Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa Bellencer) Data’s the new curtsey. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–They not gonna let anyone in. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-And then you'll have, you'll have the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,country saying well if we didn't do this. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another country would so we're just \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,providing a service that's necessary . \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wait did we just come up with a new data \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,laundering scheme?\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah -I think we did\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Will I have to declare my data for a, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for tax purposes? Is this is how this is \Ngoing to work? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-They may. -I don't like this. All right. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know what we talked enough about \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enterprise I want to get into some gaming \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and only, if only there was a member of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this panel who knew something \Nabout gaming. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I'm ready. Let's go. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,– Go, Mary Jo I understand you're \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a big uh, Gears of War fan right Mary Jo? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh yes I am Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-You're all about the shooting and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what weapons do they have in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gears of War? I don't even know this game.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) What weapons? -I'm assuming \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's some guns and some knifes right?\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary Jo) Cats. I think there are cats. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I get Cats. Cats are ultimate weapon. \NNo but Paul... Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) And some chainsaws.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Can you tell me a little bit about the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Xbox S and their Minecraft bundle because \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft has been conquering the\Nworld with Minecraft. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Mine.. Yes they are. You know since the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Xbox One S. came out in early August \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they've been kind of bulking out the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lineup with different bundles you know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have a Gears of War 4 bundle for \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example which is ridiculous looking but \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Minecraft one looks really good \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually. Especially if you haven't \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bought into this yet in the Microsoft \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ecosystem because it's no much. It's no \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more expensive than the normal console. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you get the game for free. Obviously \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an Xbox 1, you get the game for free on \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows 10 and then you get a bunch of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,favorites and builders packs just you \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know downloadable content that you \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,normally would have to pay for. All \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bundled into this thing and so for $300 \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bucks I mean this is actually it's a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,great deals and then Minecraft is amazing \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so if you've never experienced \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Minecraft I mean this is a great way to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get into it. So that's kind of a cool \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one. And then the Gears of War 4 news is \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the game was completed this week. So \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's gone gold. It's being released in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,October and if you preorder it. You can \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,play it. I think it's four days early so \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe it comes out on October 11th \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those who preordered it. I don't know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if probably digitally obviously. Can \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,start playing it on the 7th and so this \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a new kind of a rejiggering of the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,story you know so there was a trilogy of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gears of War games that came out on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Xbox 360 was made by a third party Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,developer Who, why can’t I think of the\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,name of the company? That's crazy! \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't matter they sold\Nit to Microsoft Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so now Microsoft and using this. \NSay again? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–Oh Mojang Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-No Gears of War – Oh Gears of War, Oh!\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wasn’t that just 360 studios? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–No it was the Cliff Bleszinski guys. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh it kills me when I can’t think of stuff Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary Jo) \NBungee? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–No, Bungee’s Halo Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–I’m just guessing.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–Oh, um was it the same studio that did \NBio Shock? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Nope. (laughing) this is embarrassing. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So anyway whoever it was. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary Jo) Let’s just keep guessing. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Fa Bellencer) Atari? \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mary Jo) Epic games? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) Wow! Epic Games. So they did the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,original trilogy on the 360, it was \Na 360 exclusive. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well it was a Microsoft, it's a, the first Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gears of War game actually shipped on \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows and then they did the 360 version \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so now on the Xbox 1, we have the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,original game is available remastered the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other games are available backwards Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compatibility and now we're getting a new \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Forth game which takes place you know 20 \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years later there's you know, you know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the story. All hell breaks loose etc, etc Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's a pretty big deal because \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know exclusives kind of drive console \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sells and so forth so Microsoft has had \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Halo and Gears two and so Gears have a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new series of Gears games coming out for \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Xbox 1 is kind of a big deal. So we \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shall see. Someone included with us in \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software. Nope!\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It's kind of interesting that's \NOctober 11th Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that's also a big day for \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dynamics 365. I’m just saying. \N-Yikes. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah I'm sure that's not coincidental. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'm sure it's not. (laughing)\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Well I mean dynamics is one of the most \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,profitable division in Microsoft \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,currently has. So, I mean naturally. ou \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see the tie in, right? Well let me ask\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you this we're thinking about doing a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little Gears of War thing here at the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,studio because Lee has got his Xbox. I've \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually got an Xbox 1S on its way along \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Gears of War when it comes out but I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be in Rome. So it's shipping to me \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Rome. We're all going to have our \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little Kingston Gears of War branded \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,headsets. I think we need a death match. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Yeah OK. I'm not great at death match I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will say um.. Gears of War, those games, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the single player stuff has been really \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good, a story has been good for the most \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part. The death match stuff, if you're \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really used to the fast moving kind of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,twitchy. You know Call of Duty type stuff \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a little more grounded. They've got \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it a little bit more vertical over the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years but you know especially the first \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,game, you kinda crouch low to the ground \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that was pretty much where you stayed \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I'm not I'm not great at it but. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Well I mean if you play with us. I'll \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try to get Pope Francis on the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,controller. I've heard that he can frag \Nlike nobody else. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-I just want to hear him swear like a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sailor. That will be the best part. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Gears of War is pretty good but the one \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I was most impressed with at E3 and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one that I really, really want to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,play is Cup Head because that looks \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fantastic. And I know, I know Paul that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you love that game. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well actually I will say even Mary Jo \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is looking forward to it.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I was curious about that one, actually.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I kind of you know like forty style \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,animation. Things like that.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It's steam boat Willy.\N–Yeah \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- There were a few. There was the ship of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thieves or ship of, yeah ship of,\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ship of Thieves or Sea of Thieves?! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) I’m not sure. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-There were a few at E3 that \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually were kind of interesting. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) -3D Realms. No it wasn't 3D Realms,\Nsorry. (laughing) Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Are we back to just naming off studios?\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–Yeah I don’t know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-All right, well when we come back it's \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time for tips and picks to close out the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,show but first let's go ahead and thank \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another sponsor of this episode of \NWindows Weekly. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now let me ask a question. Do you need Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,money? of course you need money. Everyone \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,needs money maybe it's to buy a new \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,house. Maybe it's to start a business and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way that you normally get that is by \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leveraging what you already own with a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mortgage. Now a mortgage is the most fun \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you will ever have No I'm just kidding it \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a horrible process. The idea of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gathering together all your receipts, all Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you little financial transactions. So Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you could bring them into a bank lay Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them out on a desk and try to prove to a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,passionate bank manager that you're a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good investment that you're worthy of a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mortgage that's probably the worst \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possible thing that you could do with a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weekend. Well folks don't do that anymore \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there's a new way and that way is \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans. Now \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rocket Mortgage brings the mortgage \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approval process into the 21st century. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, it's fast, it's powerful \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's completely online I mean this is \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way that it should be Rocket Mortgages\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taken all of the complicated time \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consuming parts of applying for a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mortgage out of the equation. Do you hate \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,searching for those stacks of old files \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and paperwork? You don't have to do with \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rocket mortgage you can easily share your \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bank statements and your pay stubs a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,touch of a button. It helps you get \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approval in minutes instead of days, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weeks and months that gives you a custom \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mortgage solution that's been tailored \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for you. No longer do you have to fit \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into this cookie cutter template of what \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a mortgage will be. 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I always get confused by \Nthe Q. and A Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's the Q. and who does the A.? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I don't even know if we need to \Ndo a Q. and A today Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we have so much in the picks.\N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh yeah actually I love your picks this \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was an interesting one. I saw this and I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was wondering where we were going to go \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with it but let’s just find out. D. Apple \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find your iPhone, I don't even know\Nwhat that means. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh well let me explain. \NI'm a Microsoft guy Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obviously right? I’ve been writing \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about Microsoft technology products for \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,20 something years. I approached things \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from kind of a Microsoft standpoint but I \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think it's fair to say that in the \Nmobile world. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Things have gone in a slightly \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different direction and so like Microsoft \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,itself you know we kind of have to adapt \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know before Microsoft shipped \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows Phone I was an iPhone user \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because Windows Mobile was so terrible. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used Windows phone for several years \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obviously things have kind of fallen \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apart over the past couple years and so \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've spent a lot of time looking at \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Android and iPhone and I would say to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who are Microsoft people you know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft fans, or Microsoft users, \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,customers whatever. Android is probably \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the closest thing you're going to get to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Microsoft type experience but more \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important because the system can be, you \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know adapted and customize so much you \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can change the lock screen, the launcher \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,screen. I mean it basically everything \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about it. It affords you the opportunity \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have a real Microsoft experience Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because Microsoft makes lock screens and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,launchers and you know keyboards and all \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kinds of things for Android so you can \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a real Microsoft experience on the \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet but people who use iPhones do so \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a reason. There are good reasons to \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,own an iPhone you might get one from \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work, you might have to have one and so \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been using an iPhone for years \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really. In fact I've owned I've owned \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost every iPhone model that Apple has \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ever ship I've only didn't purchase two \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of them but I've always worked very hard \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to kind of keep the distance from some of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Apple products and services. I don't \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use things like Apple music or iCloud or \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Siri or any of that kind of stuff and so \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wrote an article about this but I've \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been doing a series of tips about using \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Android from kind of the perspective of a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft guy. I have written a few \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,articles like this for iPhone but not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nearly as many and so recently I kind of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,summarized a bunch of thoughts around \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what it's like to use an iPhone from a \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Windows or Microsoft user perspective and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know again you can't, there's not \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much, you can't change the launcher \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,screen, you can't, you know there's no \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft lock screen that you can \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,install you kind of stuck with some \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aspects of it because that's you know \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what Apple does but actually iOS is open \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up you can change the keyboard you can do \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,swift key which Microsoft owns you want \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do that and Microsoft, all of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft's high profile apps are on \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,iPhone as well. And so the point of this \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is just that you don't have to give up \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your soul. Per se to use an iPhone. \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-No I think buying an iPhone you kind of \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gave it up already. But I’m just saying. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Actually, so by the way that's more fair \Nthan ever because with this version of \Nthe iPhone the availability was so \Nlimited that I had to get a gold version \Nand uh I can tell you that was not a \Nproud moment. \N-Rose gold or just plain gold? \N-No I didn’t go rose gold but I do end up \Nbuying gold. \N-Isn’t that actually part of the price? \NYou do give your credit card and a piece \Nof your soul.\N–And a piece of your soul, yeah I guess. \NLiterally one pound you know. \N-How much does the human soul weigh? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) One pound. – Is it one pound? Well \Ngood because I know I can give away a \Ncouple of grams and still be good. \N-Yeah mine's a little fatty. But it's \Ngood eating. -Actually I just got all my \Nbloodwork back and I am surprisingly in \Ngood health and I didn't expect that. \N(Mary Jo) That's good. -Except for my \Ntriglycerides I guess pork rinds are \Nreally bad for you. \N(Paul) I'm somewhat surprised by that. Do \Nyou eat them in like a cheese bath or? – \NNo, I bathe in them. (Paul) Oh,yes! - I \Nsleep in a bed of pork rinds. (laughing)\N(Paul) That's it's good for the skin. \N-It's for that fresh pork smell you know. \NAll right so we've got a D. Apple find \Nyour iPhone. We've got an app pick of the \Nweek. Who's got fire watch? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) I do. So, I have a bunch of epics. \NSo the big one is yes fire watch. So fire \Nwatch is a game that ship like I think \Nlast year on PlayStation 4 and also in \NP.C. through Steam. I played through day \None on Raphael’s PlayStation just to kind \Nof give it a shot. I really, really enjoy \Nthis game and so just today. Literally it \Nshipped on Xbox 1 you can get it now on \NMicrosoft's platform and so same exact \Ngame it's a wonderful game it's kind of a \Nit's kind of a like interactive adventure \Nbasically it is there's a mystery and \Nit's got beautiful graphics and you know \Nimmersive sound and all that kind of \Nstuff but it's I mention that when I \Ntalked about this on the podcast just a \Nfew weeks ago I said I'm going to try to \Nget my wife and daughter to play this I \Nthink this is a game that would, is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compelling to people who don't play video \Ngames in the same way that a you know a \Nmystery series or something which is \Ninteresting to people I think people can \Nget into this. So it's a great, great \Nstory. It's a really neat game and the \NXbox One version has some unique stuff as \Nan audio tour and when you finish the \Ngame you can actually free roam around \Nthe environment you can see the whole \Nworld that they created for the game. \N(Fa. Bellencer) This looks a little like \Nmist. It's got, it's looks like it's got \Nthat same sort of artistic. (Paul) Don't \Never compare this to mist again. \N(laughing) No it’s a.. OK well I guess \Nwhat I would say is, you know mist for \Nthe day was seemed photo realistic I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guess I'm sure we would look at the quite \Nsame way today. This obviously has a bit \Nof a I don't want to say cartoon but it's \Nclearly graphics like they don't attempt \Nto pull you into thinking that this is \Nyou know real photograph quality graphics \Nbut that the graphics are beautiful. It's \Na beautiful game. You know really really \Nwell done the whole thing, the whole \Npresentation is great .\N(Fa. Bellencer) It's not a horror game is \Nit?\N(Paul ) No but this is a mystery. It's \Nlike ,it's the type of thing where you \Nknow you show up at your new job out in \Nthe woods and you go investigate what's \Ngoing on when you come back. Someone has \Nransacked the tower that you live in and \Nyou know the music kind of kicks in like \Ntick, tick, tick, you know. You can tell \Nit's like it's getting a little stressful \Nlike what's going on here. And so it's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just it's a mystery that you uncover.\N(Fa Bellencer) As long as the Slender man \Ndoesn’t jump out. \N-Well it's sort of, sort of does.\N-Oh really? (Paul laughs) Not exactly. \NJust a few other things I want to throw \Nout for apps because a bunch of stuff \Nhappened this week. I do an app race and \Nmobile app pick of the week, and a Skype \Npreview app. We’ve already talked about \Nthis but if you're on the insider program \Nit's certainly worth looking at. I \Nhaven't gotten it to work but I know \Npeople have if you're interested in the \NSMS relay stuff that is available if you \Nhave both Windows 10 and Windows 10 \Nmobile. Microsoft has also updated a \Nbunch of its mobile apps on the Internet \NIOS and so on Android, Word, Excel and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Power Point, the kind of the core apps \Nhave much simpler sharing capabilities \Nnow and also I can’t … here and \Ncollaboration features and in OneDrive. I \Ndon't actually, it's funny I read the \Ndescription of the new OneDrive app on \NIOS and I don't think the graph. I don't \Nthink graphically looks any different. \NThat they're calling it a file centric \NU.I. or whatever but it looks the same to \Nme but there's a new me tab and a U.I. \Nthat lets you access all of your account \Ninformation and a bunch of other stuff \Nthat was just hidden away before so \Nthat's kind of cool and then the new \NOutlook.com which by the way I still \Ndon't have I think I'm on what are we on \Nthe day 457 or something. If you have it. \NI know Mary Jo does. They've added Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,integrated support for a Google Drive and \NFacebook photos meaning that if you're \Ngoing to, if you're sending out an e-mail \N“Hey I just went on this great vacation. \NHere are some photos.” You can pull those \Nphotos in from other services now include \Nyou know the Google Drive and Facebook \Nphoto. I'd love to test that feature \NMicrosoft. If you're listening. \N-They're calling it OneDrive For Life. \N-Yep. (laughing)\N(Mary Jo) You're going to be the last one \Nthe very, very last one to get the new \NOutlook.\N- Now that you've asked for it, that's \Nhow that works. Sorry it's a rule. (Mary \NJo) Yep\N(Paul) I observed on Twitter, the other \Nday that hearing that other people have Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the new Outlook.com is like when you're \Nat war and you find out that the buddy \Nyou're in a foxhole with is going home \Nand you're happy for him and in one way \Nbut you're also like you're really upset \Nwith him you know because he's leaving \Nand you're not you know I mean it's the \Nsame kind of weird mixed feeling.\N-So what Paul is telling us is if any of \Nyou get the new outlook. He will (Paul \Nand Fa Bellencer) Shoot you in the back.\N(Mary Jo) He wants to know immediately. \N-This is good. This is good to know good \Ninformation. Mary Jo fully your \Nenterprise picks of the week. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-OK so my enterprise pick is going to be \Nwhat to think about and look for next \Nweek at the Ignite show that Microsoft's \Nhaving in Atlanta. Paul and I are going \Nto be there a lot of other journalists \Nwill be there but looking ahead I'll tell \Nyou what I think we're going to hear a \Nlot about. So it's very interesting to, \Nat Ignite this year, there is only one \Nday of keynotes. The morning keynote \Nstarts at 9:00 A.M. on Monday September \N26th. It goes till 10:30. Microsoft's \Ngoing to be webcasting that and then \Nthere's an afternoon keynote which is 4 \Nto 5 on the same day. That's it for \Nkeynotes. So there's going to be a lot of \Nrecording of all the different sessions \Nof Ignite and it'll be up on Channel Nine \NMicrosoft Channel Nine. I think we're Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to hear this is this is kind of a \Nno brainer. A lot about Windows Server \N2016 there because that's where \NMicrosoft's going to quote launch the \Nproduct. It won't be available that week, \Nwhich is next week but right after it. I \Nthink you know first second week of \NOctober. You'll see it starting to be \Ngenerally available. So expect a lot of \NWindows Server 2016 all the new stuff \Nthat's happening with containers in \NWindows 7 2016 we’ll hear a lot. We’ll \Nprobably also hear a lot about nano \Nserver which is a new role for a stripped \Ndown role in Windows 7 2016 next week. \NWe're going to hear a lot about Azure \Nstack. Azure stack is basically Azure \Nthat you can run in your own data center \Nor that your club provider can run in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their data center for you. I think maybe \Nwe'll hear about Technical Preview two of \NAzure stack next week it will be around \Nthe right time and Microsoft said \Nrecently that Azure stack won't actually \Nbe available until mid-2017. So it's \Nrunning late. But I think, I think they \Ndo want to get the Technical Preview out \Nthere there's a lot of sessions about \NAzure stack. I think there's going to be \Nsome meet ups and they'll be a big \Nrepresentation for Azure stack. Also we \Nhaven't said this word on Windows Weekly \Nlately, Data Lake's I know every wanted \Nto hear it. So I think next week. \NExactly. You're going to hear a lot about \NData Lakes. Everyone drink! Data Lake is \Nthe big data repository technology that \NMicrosoft had in previews since last Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,September. I think maybe at Ignite we're \Ngoing to hear them talk about Data Lake \Ntechnologies being generally available so \Nwe'll hear a lot of big data talk a lot \Nof Hadoop talk probably will be tied in \Nwith some of the data summit \Npresentations that are happening \Nsimultaneously with that Ignite in \NAtlanta next week. More probably more \Nabout Microsoft's data scientists degree \Nprogram which they gave a little sneak \Npeek of at the world wide Partner \NConference. I think the first class they \Ngraduated from that degree program is \Ngoing to be announced or somehow \Nrepresented at Ignite. That's my guess, \Nbecause Microsoft said that that group of \Npeople would be graduating in September. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we're in September. Still I think that \Ncould happen next week and then there's a \Nthing that I've talked about before in \Nthe show called open mind studio which I \Nthink is kind of like Visual Studio \Nexcept for machine learning. I would be \Nvery surprised if we don't hear about \Nthat next week too. So all of these \Nthings and more. I'm sure. Probably a lot \Nof office Content Officer 365, Office \NCrack, Share Point all your favorite \NOffice topics will be there as well and \Nwe've said this before. Paul and I are \Ndoing Windows Weekly live next week with \NPadre from Ignite at our usual time 2:00 \NP.M. on September 28th, 2:00 P.M. Eastern \Nand then we finally know a better meet up Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or meet up is going to be held on the \N28th right after the show. It's going to \Nbe 5:00 to 8:00 P.M. It's at a bar craft \Nbeer bar called Argosy A R G O S Y in \NAtlanta. And I guess it's the Argosy East \Nversion of Argosy So if even if you \Naren't at Ignite and you don't have a \Nbadge you can still come to our meet up \Nat 5:00 to 8:00 P.M We've tweeted out \Nabout it a couple times more about it. So \Ndefinitely if you're an Atlanta or near. \NYou can come and join us there. And while \NI'm talking about events. I want to throw \None more Paul and I also are going to be \Nin Las Vegas the last week of October. At \Na couple of shows that are held together \Ncalled DEVintersection and IT Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intersection. We're going to be speaking \Nthere too and probably will have a meet \Nup there. If you want to know more about \Nthat there's a lot of really good \NMicrosoft speakers. Stephen Guggenheim is \Ngoing to be there. Scott Hanselman and \Nwho else. Brad Anderson a lot of big \NMicrosoft names plus a lot of the \NM.V.P.'s and big well known speakers in \Nthe community there. DVEintersection.com \NYou can find out more there. So that's my \Nmega enterprise pick for the week.\N- That is a lot of picks. Of course we've \Ngot Ignite coming up. So that's expected. \NAnd it close us out we've got the code \Nname Pick of the week and the beer pick \Nof the week which I'm actually looking \Nforward to because we're going to be \Ndoing a beer episode of know how. I may \Nnot drink beer but I do like the smell. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing) OK so, should I do code name \Nnow? \N-Do it\N-Code name pick of the week is project \NBletchley and yes it is named after that \NBletchley if you know what I'm talking \Nabout here. Let's see the one in \NBletchley Park in England. So this, what \Nproject Bletchley is… is Microsoft's code \Nname for Azure block chain as a service \Nmiddleware. So, since last year, \NMicrosoft's been trying to work out a way \Nto make Azure blocked, Azure block chain \Nas a service be something that people \Nmight use in various industries not just \Nfor bitcoin mining and all but also in a \Nlot of enterprises especially banking and \Nfinance because what is blocked chain \Nit's actually a distributed Ledger Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology so that makes sense in a lot \Nof different enterprise type \Napplications. What they decided to do was \Nto try to use Azure technologies to make \Nit easier for people to build \Napplications that could take advantage of \Nblock chain as a service. So they came up \Nwith this idea of project Bletchley in \NJuly. They put out a white paper and said \N“This is how we think this might work.” \NThis week they actually put out what they \Nare calling version one of project \NBletchley. What it is…is a template. So \Nversion one's just a template basically, \Nbut it's a pretty powerful template. It's \Na template that is made to help people \Nfigure out how to kind of on board into \NProject Bletchley. I wrote a blog post Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about this. I have a whole bunch of links \Nwith different things about The Cryptlets \Ntechnology that's part of the Project \NBletchley, how that works and \Narchitectural diagrams for people like \Nthat stuff. And Microsoft has a \Nwalk-through of how to use this template \Nso if you want to just start kicking the \Ntires now and seeing what is this thing \Nas you're blotching as a service. You can \Nstart doing that now through this \Ntemplate that is available through the \NAzure Resource Manager portal. That's the \Ncode name. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Whoot, fantastic. And of course we got \Nto do the beer pick of the week right?\N- Yeah so this is a very interesting bear \Npick. Stone Brewing, San Diego area, \Nmakes a lot of excellent beers of all \Nkinds. They have a very famous series of \Nbeers that they've done called the \NVertical Epic series. So every year like \Non February second. The second of \NFebruary which is 2/2/2002 they put out a \Nbeer. That was called the Stone Vertical \NEpic series 2/22 they did one in 3/33, \N4/44 and these are huge collector's items \Nlike people pay hundreds of dollars to \Ntry to get these old very rare beers from \NStone so that they can have different \Ntaste from the Vertical Epic series so Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stone being the smart burgers that they \Nare decided on their 20th anniversary to \Nremake some of these famous beers that \Nthey've brewed over the years and one of \Nthe first that they remade is the 2/22 \NVertical Epic. So they call this the \Nstone 20th anniversary encore series this \Nis 2/22 and 2/22 I've had it a couple of \Ntimes I've had the original and I've also \Nhad this remake. It's really good Paul \Nwould love this. I know strong Belgian \NGolden Ale like all the things you love \Nin a Belgian beer. It's almost like a \Nstrong wheat beer. (Paul) It’s pretty \Nmuch all the things I love period. (Mary \NJo) It is pretty much, right? Orange Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flavoring very effervescent, very it's \Nnot light like a lot of wheats because \Nit's a strong Belgian but around 7%, \Nreally good really, really good and the \Nremake I can tell you is equally good. So \Nif you see this Vertical Epic. Series \Ncalled The Encore Series, definitely give \Nit a try and know 88/8 is also available \Nnow and I think will be others coming out.\N-There you have it. All the news that's \Nworth having if you're a Microsoft fan. \NPaul Thurrott, Mary Jo Foley, thank you \Nvery much for making this an entertaining \Nenjoyable and very informative two hours. \NPaul Thurrott of course again behind \Nthurrott.com. Paul, what are you working \Non, what should people be heading over \Nthurrott.com to find? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Paul) What am I working on? I can't \Ntell you that. (laughing)\N(Fa Bellencer) Can you hint? (Paul) No I \Nmean I… No. (laughing) (Fa Bellencer) \NYour silence says it all. (Paul) We’re in \Nthe middle of a… we're rolling out like a \Npremium service on the site and so I've \Nbeen a little preoccupied with a bunch of \Nthat stuff lately so it's coming soon. \NThat's all I can say. (Fa Bellencer) So \Njust go to thurrott.com and find \Neverything there is to know about the man \Nwho writes the book. And that would be a \Nslogan. If I were making slogans that \Nwould be the slogan I would come up for \Nyou.\N(Paul) Not quite as good as the Man With \NNo Name but yeah. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- A woman who does have a name is Mary Jo \NFoley of course of the “All About…” I \Nalways say Android but it really is \NWindows. “All About Windows” blog over at \NZ.D.Net. Mary Jo you always are my source \Nfor Microsoft happenings in the \Nenterprise anything interesting going on \Nyour side that you're particularly jazzed \Nabout?\N-I'm just I'm like really jazzed about \NIgnite next week because I think they'll \Nbe some pretty cool enterprise \Nannouncements. And it's going to be great \Nthat we're right there on the ground with \Nall the big guys like Mark Russinovich, \Nand Snover all the who's who. So I think \Nwe'll have some really good news stories \Nnext week. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Fantastic! Again thank you for making my \Njob that much easier by being absolutely \Nbrilliant and entertaining hosts. Don't \Nforget that we do Windows Weekly here on \NTwit T.V. every Wednesday at 11:00 \No'clock P.M. Pacific. 1:00, no 2:00 \NEastern. I'm not good at this Leo does \Nall the time zones. All I know is come to \Nlive.twit.tv and you can watch and as \Nlong as you're watching live why not jump \Ninto the chat room at irc.twit.tv \NIt's a good way to talk to the host, \Ntalk to me and just enjoy the experiment \Nthat is Twit T.V. Also don't forget that \Nyou can find us at our show page \Ntwit.tv/ww In case you want to download \Nsome back episodes check the show notes \Nor maybe even subscribe. If you want to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,support the show that really is the best \Nway to do it. Of course you can also find \NWindows Weekly wherever fine podcasts are \Naggregated till next time and Father \NRobert Bellencer in for Leo Laporte we're \Ngoing to be coming to you live from \NMicrosoft Ignite next week but until then \Ntake your with Newsweek. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,