WEBVTT 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:03.576 我最後一次聽到我仔把聲 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:05.936 佢出緊前門 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:07.240 去返學 00:00:08.100 --> 00:00:10.300 門口好黑,佢就講咗一個字 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:12.520 「拜。」 NOTE Paragraph 00:00:12.980 --> 00:00:13.980 1999 年 00:00:13.980 --> 00:00:16.550 4 月 20 號朝早 00:00:16.550 --> 00:00:19.606 我個仔迪倫同佢朋友艾瑞克 00:00:19.936 --> 00:00:22.872 喺科倫拜高中 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.240 殺咗 12 個學生同一個老師 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:29.960 傷咗 20 幾個人之後自殺 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:34.216 13 個無辜嘅人被殺 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:37.440 留畀佢哋嘅親友 無限悲痛同創傷 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:40.176 其他傷者 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:44.240 有人毁咗容,有人終生殘廢 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:47.656 但係,呢個慘案嘅危害性 00:00:47.680 --> 00:00:51.800 唔可以用傷亡人數來衡量 00:00:52.720 --> 00:00:56.136 我哋亦冇辦法去衡量佢 00:00:56.160 --> 00:00:58.096 對喺學校嘅目擊人同參與救援 00:00:58.120 --> 00:01:01.480 同清理嘅人造成嘅心裡創傷 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:03.680 亦冇辦法估量其他人模仿 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:08.936 呢個槍殺案 00:01:08.960 --> 00:01:12.400 會造成嘅影響 00:01:13.600 --> 00:01:15.440 科倫拜慘案係個大浪 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:17.456 風波之後,社會需要好耐來 00:01:21.440 --> 00:01:23.160 消化、理解同認識佢嘅影響 NOTE Paragraph 00:01:24.720 --> 00:01:26.760 我用咗好多年來接受 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:29.760 我個仔留低嘅問題 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.896 暴行定義咗佢最後嘅人生 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:36.480 佢已經唔係我識嗰個人 00:01:37.600 --> 00:01:39.976 修尾有人問我 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:41.760 「你點解會唔知? 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:44.120 你到底點做媽咪?」 00:01:45.240 --> 00:01:47.880 我都猛咁問自己 NOTE Paragraph 00:01:49.080 --> 00:01:51.960 槍擊案之前,我自認係個好媽咪 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:55.216 幫助我啲仔女成為體貼 00:01:55.240 --> 00:01:57.576 健康、負責嘅成年人 00:01:57.600 --> 00:02:01.080 係我一世人最重要嘅角色 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:05.080 但係呢個悲劇話我知 我做媽咪好失敗 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:09.560 挫敗感使我今日企喺呢度 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:12.496 除咗佢嘅爸爸 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:16.080 我係最了解同最愛迪倫嘅人 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:19.056 假使有人可以預料到呢件事 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:20.800 嗰個人應該係我,係咪? 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:23.200 但係我唔知 NOTE Paragraph 00:02:25.440 --> 00:02:27.336 今日,我想分享下我作為 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:31.080 一個殺人兇手嘅媽咪嘅感受 00:02:32.200 --> 00:02:33.200 慘案之後好多年 00:02:33.200 --> 00:02:36.080 我猛咁梳理我啲記憶 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:39.680 諗我到底做錯咗咩 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.016 我揾唔到明確嘅答案 00:02:43.040 --> 00:02:44.960 亦冇任何解決方案 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:46.720 我可以做嘅,唯有 00:02:47.760 --> 00:02:50.120 同你哋分享我嘅經驗同教訓 NOTE Paragraph 00:02:51.440 --> 00:02:55.056 同槍擊案之後 先識我嘅人傾偈時 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:56.880 我要面對三個挑戰 00:02:57.640 --> 00:03:00.840 第一,我行入類似宜家間房時 00:03:01.480 --> 00:03:05.056 我冇辦法知道,有冇人因為我嘅仔 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:06.800 受到過傷害 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:12.216 我要承認我個仔 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:14.440 造成咗嘅災難 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:17.640 首先,我誠摯咁 00:03:18.320 --> 00:03:21.560 為我個仔對你哋 造成嘅傷害道歉 NOTE Paragraph 00:03:23.640 --> 00:03:25.400 第二個挑戰 00:03:26.040 --> 00:03:29.760 係我講我個仔 係死於自殺時 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.800 我需要你哋嘅諒解,甚至同情 00:03:34.480 --> 00:03:36.616 喺佢過身前兩年 00:03:36.640 --> 00:03:38.856 佢曾經喺本日記度寫 00:03:38.880 --> 00:03:40.440 佢係度自殘 00:03:41.200 --> 00:03:42.816 佢話佢好痛苦 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.480 想摞把槍了結自己 00:03:46.160 --> 00:03:49.920 我喺佢死後幾個月先知道 00:03:50.720 --> 00:03:54.136 我講我個仔係自殺時 00:03:54.160 --> 00:03:58.200 唔係想減輕佢嘅罪過 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:00.816 我只係試圖去理解 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:02.936 點解佢自殺嘅意圖 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:04.400 會導致一場屠殺 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:08.296 讀咗好多文章,同資訊專家之後 00:04:08.320 --> 00:04:09.976 我逐漸相信 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:14.720 佢策劃槍擊案唔係想殺人 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:17.160 而係想自殺 NOTE Paragraph 00:04:18.320 --> 00:04:23.616 講我個仔嘅自殺謀殺時 第三個挑戰 00:04:23.640 --> 00:04:26.560 就係講心理健康 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:28.896 唔好意思 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:31.536 就係講心理健康 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:35.736 稱為大腦健康會更準確 00:04:35.760 --> 00:04:39.496 同时,我亦係度講緊暴力 00:04:39.520 --> 00:04:43.096 我當然唔想加重 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:46.336 大家對心理疾病嘅誤解 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:51.136 只有好少有心理疾病嘅人 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:53.400 對其他人有暴力傾向 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:57.936 但係,自殺嘅群體 00:04:57.960 --> 00:05:02.176 有 75%,甚至 90% 00:05:02.200 --> 00:05:05.600 有可以被診斷嘅心理健康狀況 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:07.936 眾所周知,我哋嘅心理健康 00:05:07.960 --> 00:05:10.920 醫療機制照顧唔到每一個人 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:14.496 同時,唔係每個有破壞性傾向嘅人 00:05:14.520 --> 00:05:16.256 都會診斷到嘅 00:05:16.280 --> 00:05:18.440 心理病 00:05:19.200 --> 00:05:21.216 好多覺得恐懼、憤怒、或者絕望嘅人 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:24.976 從來都冇 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:26.880 俾診斷或者治療過 00:05:27.640 --> 00:05:32.280 等到有行為危機時 我哋先注意到佢哋 00:05:33.400 --> 00:05:35.456 根據統計數據 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:38.416 大概百分之一到二嘅自殺 00:05:38.440 --> 00:05:40.520 會導致另一個人嘅死亡 00:05:42.080 --> 00:05:46.000 一個群體嘅自殺率上升時 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.400 佢嘅自殺加謀殺率亦會上升 NOTE Paragraph 00:05:50.520 --> 00:05:56.016 我好想了解,迪倫喺死前諗緊咩 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:59.760 於是我去研究啲自殺未遂嘅人 00:06:01.640 --> 00:06:06.176 我做調查,又幫手籌款 00:06:06.200 --> 00:06:07.976 一有機會 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:12.496 就同啲自殺未遂 00:06:12.520 --> 00:06:13.720 或者有自殺傾向嘅人倾偈 NOTE Paragraph 00:06:14.840 --> 00:06:17.056 我一個同事 00:06:17.080 --> 00:06:18.536 畀我好大嘅啟發 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:20.465 佢之前喺辦公室 00:06:20.489 --> 00:06:21.689 偶然聽到我同人講 00:06:22.760 --> 00:06:26.176 迪倫肯定唔愛我,唔係嘅話 00:06:26.200 --> 00:06:28.960 佢點會做出咁恐怖嘅事 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:31.800 之後,我呢個同事單獨嚟搵我 00:06:32.760 --> 00:06:35.216 佢話,唔好意思,無意中聽到我講嘢 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:36.800 同時間話我知,我係錯嘅 00:06:37.880 --> 00:06:40.496 佢係個後生嘅單身媽咪時 00:06:40.520 --> 00:06:41.960 佢要湊住三個細蚊仔 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:47.240 佢變得好抑鬱,需要住院來確保安全 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.296 嗰個時候,佢堅信 00:06:50.320 --> 00:06:53.576 如果佢死咗,佢嘅细路仔會更好 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:55.840 於是佢準備自殺 00:06:56.880 --> 00:07:00.936 佢話,母愛係世界上最堅韌嘅紐帶 00:07:00.960 --> 00:07:04.000 佢愛佢嘅仔女,多於世上嘅一切 00:07:04.640 --> 00:07:06.856 但係因為佢個病 00:07:06.880 --> 00:07:09.720 佢堅信佢啲仔女冇佢仲好 NOTE Paragraph 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:14.056 我從佢同其他人身上學到 00:07:14.080 --> 00:07:18.816 我哋對自殺嘅抉擇 00:07:18.840 --> 00:07:20.416 同我哋諗買邊駕車 00:07:20.440 --> 00:07:23.296 或者星期六去邊度玩嘅嗰種選擇 00:07:23.320 --> 00:07:25.440 係好唔同 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.456 喺一個人極度想自殺時 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:34.000 佢處於最嚴重嘅醫學緊急狀態 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:39.160 佢嘅思考能力受損,冇曬自律能力 00:07:40.320 --> 00:07:43.496 儘管佢哋計劃同執行時好有逻辑 00:07:43.520 --> 00:07:47.456 佢嘅是非觀已經俾痛苦扭曲 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.080 呢種痛苦改變咗 佢哋對現實嘅理解 00:07:50.880 --> 00:07:54.536 有哋人好識掩飾自己 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:56.920 因為迫不得已 00:07:58.840 --> 00:08:02.016 好多人都諗過自殺 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:05.536 如果呢個念頭揮之唔去 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:07.776 仲會諗點去執行 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:10.136 呢就好似其他疾病 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.056 係一種病態 00:08:12.080 --> 00:08:14.840 呢種病況需要、喺仲有得救時 00:08:15.520 --> 00:08:17.040 辨認同治療 NOTE Paragraph 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:21.440 但係我個仔唔單止自殺 00:08:22.200 --> 00:08:23.960 佢仲導致咗一場屠殺 00:08:25.080 --> 00:08:30.960 我想知,佢嘅自殺傾向 點變成謀殺傾向 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:33.240 呢方面嘅研究好少 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.240 冇簡單同直接嘅答案 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:39.159 冇錯,佢一直都有抑鬱症 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:46.240 佢係個完美主義者,唔鍾意依靠人 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:50.880 佢嘅性格使佢 好少向其他人求助 00:08:51.880 --> 00:08:55.336 佢曾經喺學校經歷過使佢覺得 00:08:55.360 --> 00:09:00.760 羞愧,屈辱同憤怒嘅觸發事件 00:09:02.160 --> 00:09:05.416 而且,佢同一個 係憤怒同孤獨嘅男仔 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:09.776 有個複雜嘅關係 00:09:09.800 --> 00:09:12.896 呢個男仔處於極度不安嘅狀態 00:09:12.920 --> 00:09:14.800 有強烈嘅控制慾同嗜殺慾 00:09:16.280 --> 00:09:19.136 喺佢哋人生裡邊 00:09:19.160 --> 00:09:22.320 最脆弱嘅時候 00:09:23.280 --> 00:09:25.656 即使我哋屋企冇槍 00:09:25.680 --> 00:09:27.840 迪倫都有其他渠道摞到咗槍支 00:09:28.800 --> 00:09:34.016 一個十七歲嘅男仔,合法或者非法 00:09:34.040 --> 00:09:36.880 唔使我知道或允許 就輕易摞到槍支 00:09:39.880 --> 00:09:44.400 過去十七年嚟嘅校園槍擊 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:46.880 買賣槍支依然係 令人膽寒嘅容易 NOTE Paragraph 00:09:49.160 --> 00:09:51.880 迪倫嗰日做嘅嘢令我心碎 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:55.096 創傷就係有咁嘅後果 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:58.080 時刻折磨住我嘅身心 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.800 槍擊事件後兩年,我得咗乳腺癌 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.560 再過咗两年,我得咗心理病 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:11.896 同永久嘅悲哀 00:10:11.920 --> 00:10:15.496 我好驚我會撞見 00:10:15.520 --> 00:10:17.576 被害人嘅家屬 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:19.976 或者媒體 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:21.480 或者一個憤怒嘅市民 00:10:22.920 --> 00:10:25.496 我怕開電視睇新聞 00:10:25.520 --> 00:10:30.480 驚人哋鬧我衰,鬧我核突 NOTE Paragraph 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.360 我開始有恐慌發作 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:41.416 第一發作喺槍擊案後四年 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.976 我準備去法庭作證 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.800 要面對被害人家屬嗰 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.976 第二次發作,喺槍擊案後六年 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:54.456 我生來第一次 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.480 公開參加討論自殺加謀殺 00:10:57.520 --> 00:10:59.920 兩次發作,每次延續幾個星期 00:11:02.160 --> 00:11:04.296 恐慌發作隨時會發生 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:07.616 喺五金店,喺寫字樓 00:11:07.640 --> 00:11:09.680 甚至喺床上睇書嗰時 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:15.656 我會突然充滿恐懼 00:11:15.680 --> 00:11:17.776 無論我點試住 00:11:17.800 --> 00:11:21.856 冷靜落來 00:11:21.880 --> 00:11:23.160 我做唔到 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:27.000 感覺好似,我嘅大腦整死我 00:11:27.920 --> 00:11:30.496 之後,我一直 00:11:30.520 --> 00:11:32.320 好驚自己咁驚 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.096 呢個就係我嘅 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.560 大腦失常嘅親身經歷 00:11:38.640 --> 00:11:42.120 所以,我係大腦健康嘅擁護者 00:11:43.760 --> 00:11:46.736 用藥物治療同自我護理 00:11:46.760 --> 00:11:48.576 我嘅生活慢慢返到正軌 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:52.080 變到相對嘅正常 NOTE Paragraph 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:55.296 我諗下過去, 逐漸明白 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:58.880 我個仔臨死前兩年可能 00:11:59.680 --> 00:12:03.176 因為機能失調過得好辛苦 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:05.360 嗰時,哪怕有一個人知道佢需要幫助 00:12:06.280 --> 00:12:09.296 又知道點做 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:10.640 兩年時間咁長,肯定有機會幫到佢 NOTE Paragraph 00:12:15.680 --> 00:12:18.256 每一次有人問我 00:12:18.280 --> 00:12:20.736 「你點會唔知?」 00:12:20.760 --> 00:12:22.760 好似重重一拳打落我個心度 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:28.376 指責我,引發我嘅負罪感 00:12:28.400 --> 00:12:30.896 無論我接受幾多治療 00:12:30.920 --> 00:12:32.840 永遠都唔會完全好返 00:12:33.880 --> 00:12:35.500 從中我學到 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:38.576 如果愛就夠曬 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:40.736 去打消一個人自殺 00:12:40.760 --> 00:12:42.200 同傷人嘅念頭 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.200 咁自殺就幾乎唔會發生 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:48.120 但係如果有愛仲唔夠 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:51.000 咁自殺會普遍咁發生 00:12:51.680 --> 00:12:54.496 自殺喺 10 至 34 歲嘅群體 00:12:54.520 --> 00:12:56.720 係第二大致死原因 00:12:56.960 --> 00:12:59.616 舊年 2016 年 00:13:00.976 --> 00:13:01.976 百分之十五嘅美國青少年 00:13:02.986 --> 00:13:04.746 話自己計劃過自殺 00:13:05.860 --> 00:13:07.060 我認識到,無論我哋幾想做到 00:13:07.060 --> 00:13:10.220 我哋永遠都唔知道,亦控制唔到 00:13:12.774 --> 00:13:15.080 我哋愛嘅人嘅所有諗法同感覺 00:13:15.300 --> 00:13:17.260 我哋堅信,我哋同其他人唔同 00:13:19.954 --> 00:13:23.074 所以我愛嘅人唔會去自殘 00:13:23.088 --> 00:13:25.934 或者傷害其他人 00:13:25.934 --> 00:13:27.134 呢個觀念會導致我哋忽視 00:13:27.294 --> 00:13:29.310 平靜嘅表面下邊嘅嘢 00:13:31.140 --> 00:13:32.940 假使最壞嘅事發生咗 00:13:36.028 --> 00:13:39.468 我哋要學識 原諒自己唔知嘅嘢 00:13:39.468 --> 00:13:43.364 原諒自己冇發現嘅問題 00:13:43.364 --> 00:13:46.060 原諒自己冇搵到對策 00:13:47.210 --> 00:13:49.140 我哋應該假設 00:13:49.140 --> 00:13:50.396 我哋所愛嘅人可能受緊折磨 00:13:52.784 --> 00:13:55.534 即使佢嘅言行 00:13:55.534 --> 00:13:57.730 好正常 00:13:57.730 --> 00:13:58.970 我哋應該用成個身心咁 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.120 唔帶任何偏見咁 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:02.320 未必畀到解決方法咁去傾聽 00:14:07.358 --> 00:14:09.478 我好清楚,我成世都 NOTE Paragraph 00:14:09.798 --> 00:14:11.514 會帶著呢個悲劇 00:14:12.474 --> 00:14:14.410 呢幾個悲劇,一直行落去 00:14:15.290 --> 00:14:16.850 我知道,好多人諗 00:14:21.050 --> 00:14:23.050 我嘅損失嘅 遠唔及受害者家屬 00:14:25.930 --> 00:14:29.690 我嘅掙扎 唔會減輕佢哋嘅痛苦 00:14:30.560 --> 00:14:33.160 有人認為,我冇痛苦嘅權利 00:14:35.274 --> 00:14:38.490 只有用成世去贖罪 00:14:41.030 --> 00:14:42.850 我嘅總結係 NOTE Paragraph 00:14:45.324 --> 00:14:47.794 我哋就算再負責再警覺 00:14:51.588 --> 00:14:53.984 最尾都可能 防止唔到悲劇嘅發生 00:14:54.864 --> 00:14:57.040 但係為咗愛 00:14:57.040 --> 00:14:59.216 我哋絕唔可以放棄嘗試 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:00.720 去了解現實背後嘅未知 NOTE Paragraph 00:15:01.560 --> 00:15:02.776 多謝 NOTE Paragraph 00:15:02.800 --> 00:15:04.960 (掌聲)