1 00:00:00,380 --> 00:00:02,787 So, before I became a dermatologist, 2 00:00:02,787 --> 00:00:05,339 I started in general medicine, 3 00:00:05,339 --> 00:00:07,555 as most dermatologists do in Britain. 4 00:00:07,555 --> 00:00:09,603 At the end of that time, I went off to Australia, 5 00:00:09,603 --> 00:00:11,499 about 20 years ago. 6 00:00:11,499 --> 00:00:13,620 What you learn when you go to Australia 7 00:00:13,620 --> 00:00:16,346 is the Australians are very competitive. 8 00:00:16,346 --> 00:00:18,403 And they are not magnanimous in victory. 9 00:00:18,403 --> 00:00:20,467 And that happened a lot: 10 00:00:20,467 --> 00:00:22,899 "You pommies, you can't play cricket, rugby." 11 00:00:22,899 --> 00:00:25,017 I could accept that. 12 00:00:25,017 --> 00:00:27,347 But moving into work -- 13 00:00:27,347 --> 00:00:29,885 and we have each week what's called a journal club, 14 00:00:29,885 --> 00:00:32,343 when you'd sit down with the other doctors 15 00:00:32,343 --> 00:00:34,463 and you'd study a scientific paper 16 00:00:34,463 --> 00:00:36,304 in relation to medicine. 17 00:00:36,304 --> 00:00:39,053 And after week one, it was about cardiovascular mortality, 18 00:00:39,053 --> 00:00:42,733 a dry subject -- how many people die of heart disease, 19 00:00:42,733 --> 00:00:44,117 what the rates are. 20 00:00:44,117 --> 00:00:46,093 And they were competitive about this: 21 00:00:46,093 --> 00:00:49,189 "You pommies, your rates of heart disease are shocking." 22 00:00:49,189 --> 00:00:51,085 And of course, they were right. 23 00:00:51,085 --> 00:00:55,066 Australians have about a third less heart disease than we do -- 24 00:00:55,066 --> 00:00:58,857 less deaths from heart attacks, heart failure, less strokes -- 25 00:00:58,857 --> 00:01:00,917 they're generally a healthier bunch. 26 00:01:00,917 --> 00:01:02,608 And of course they said this was because of 27 00:01:02,608 --> 00:01:04,672 their fine moral standing, their exercise, 28 00:01:04,672 --> 00:01:08,740 because they're Australians and we're weedy pommies, and so on. 29 00:01:08,740 --> 00:01:13,771 But it's not just Australia that has better health than Britain. 30 00:01:13,771 --> 00:01:17,299 Within Britain, there is a gradient of health -- 31 00:01:17,299 --> 00:01:19,235 and this is what's called standardized mortality, 32 00:01:19,235 --> 00:01:21,323 basically your chances of dying. 33 00:01:21,323 --> 00:01:24,667 This is looking at data from the paper about 20 years ago, 34 00:01:24,667 --> 00:01:26,142 but it's true today. 35 00:01:26,142 --> 00:01:29,232 Comparing your rates of dying 50 degrees north -- 36 00:01:29,232 --> 00:01:31,499 that's the South, that's London and places -- 37 00:01:31,499 --> 00:01:34,851 by latitude, and 55 degrees -- 38 00:01:34,851 --> 00:01:37,235 the bad news is that's here, Glasgow. 39 00:01:37,235 --> 00:01:40,083 I'm from Edinburgh. Worse news, that's even Edinburgh. 40 00:01:40,083 --> 00:01:44,207 (Laughter) 41 00:01:44,207 --> 00:01:47,513 So what accounts for this horrible space here 42 00:01:47,513 --> 00:01:49,717 between us up here in southern Scotland 43 00:01:49,717 --> 00:01:50,727 and the South? 44 00:01:50,727 --> 00:01:52,145 Now, we know about smoking, 45 00:01:52,145 --> 00:01:54,847 deep-fried Mars bars, chips -- the Glasgow diet. 46 00:01:54,847 --> 00:01:56,175 All of these things. 47 00:01:56,175 --> 00:01:58,967 But this graph is after taking into account 48 00:01:58,967 --> 00:02:01,031 all of these known risk factors. 49 00:02:01,031 --> 00:02:04,800 This is after accounting for smoking, social class, diet, 50 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,543 all those other known risk factors. 51 00:02:06,543 --> 00:02:08,767 We are left with this missing space 52 00:02:08,767 --> 00:02:12,627 of increased deaths the further north you go. 53 00:02:12,627 --> 00:02:15,264 Now, sunlight, of course, comes into this. 54 00:02:15,264 --> 00:02:17,584 And vitamin D has had a great deal of press, 55 00:02:17,584 --> 00:02:19,586 and a lot of people get concerned about it. 56 00:02:19,586 --> 00:02:23,578 And we need vitamin D. It's now a requirement that children have a certain amount. 57 00:02:23,578 --> 00:02:25,810 My grandmother grew up in Glasgow, 58 00:02:25,810 --> 00:02:29,396 back in the 1920s and '30s when rickets was a real problem 59 00:02:29,396 --> 00:02:31,594 and cod liver oil was brought in. 60 00:02:31,594 --> 00:02:35,538 And that really prevented the rickets that used to be common in this city. 61 00:02:35,538 --> 00:02:39,458 And I as a child was fed cod liver oil by my grandmother. 62 00:02:39,458 --> 00:02:42,482 I distinctly -- nobody forgets cod liver oil. 63 00:02:42,482 --> 00:02:47,264 But an association: The higher people's blood levels of vitamin D are, 64 00:02:47,264 --> 00:02:50,591 the less heart disease they have, the less cancer. 65 00:02:50,591 --> 00:02:54,433 There seems to be a lot of data suggesting that vitamin D is very good for you. 66 00:02:54,433 --> 00:02:56,727 And it is, to prevent rickets and so on. 67 00:02:56,727 --> 00:02:59,447 But if you give people vitamin D supplements, 68 00:02:59,447 --> 00:03:02,879 you don't change that high rate of heart disease. 69 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:06,607 And the evidence for it preventing cancers is not yet great. 70 00:03:06,607 --> 00:03:11,464 So what I'm going to suggest is that vitamin D is not the only story in town. 71 00:03:11,464 --> 00:03:14,775 It's not the only reason preventing heart disease. 72 00:03:14,775 --> 00:03:19,144 High vitamin D levels, I think, are a marker for sunlight exposure, 73 00:03:19,144 --> 00:03:22,359 and sunlight exposure, in methods I'm going to show, 74 00:03:22,359 --> 00:03:24,798 is good for heart disease. 75 00:03:24,798 --> 00:03:26,759 Anyway, I came back from Australia, 76 00:03:26,759 --> 00:03:30,255 and despite the obvious risks to my health, I moved to Aberdeen. 77 00:03:30,255 --> 00:03:32,807 (Laughter) 78 00:03:32,807 --> 00:03:35,958 Now, in Aberdeen, I started my dermatology training. 79 00:03:35,958 --> 00:03:37,903 But I also became interested in research, 80 00:03:37,903 --> 00:03:41,078 and in particular I became interested in this substance, nitric oxide. 81 00:03:41,078 --> 00:03:42,454 Now these three guys up here, 82 00:03:42,454 --> 00:03:44,024 Furchgott, Ignarro and Murad, 83 00:03:44,024 --> 00:03:47,286 won the Nobel Prize for medicine back in 1998. 84 00:03:47,286 --> 00:03:49,429 And they were the first people to describe 85 00:03:49,429 --> 00:03:52,774 this new chemical transmitter, nitric oxide. 86 00:03:52,774 --> 00:03:55,799 What nitric oxide does is it dilates blood vessels, 87 00:03:55,799 --> 00:03:57,670 so it lowers your blood pressure. 88 00:03:57,670 --> 00:04:01,837 It also dilates the coronary arteries, so it stops angina. 89 00:04:01,837 --> 00:04:03,223 And what was remarkable about it 90 00:04:03,223 --> 00:04:07,294 was in the past when we think of chemical messengers within the body, 91 00:04:07,294 --> 00:04:10,464 we thought of complicated things like estrogen and insulin, 92 00:04:10,464 --> 00:04:11,934 or nerve transmission. 93 00:04:11,934 --> 00:04:15,229 Very complex processes with very complex chemicals 94 00:04:15,229 --> 00:04:17,517 that fit into very complex receptors. 95 00:04:17,517 --> 00:04:19,878 And here's this incredibly simple molecule, 96 00:04:19,878 --> 00:04:23,216 a nitrogen and an oxygen that are stuck together, 97 00:04:23,216 --> 00:04:27,846 and yet these are hugely important for [unclear] our low blood pressure, 98 00:04:27,846 --> 00:04:30,452 for neurotransmission, for many, many things, 99 00:04:30,452 --> 00:04:33,854 but particularly cardiovascular health. 100 00:04:33,854 --> 00:04:37,156 And I started doing research, and we found, very excitingly, 101 00:04:37,156 --> 00:04:39,766 that the skin produces nitric oxide. 102 00:04:39,766 --> 00:04:42,663 So it's not just in the cardiovascular system it arises. 103 00:04:42,663 --> 00:04:44,530 It arises in the skin. 104 00:04:44,530 --> 00:04:46,396 Well, having found that and published that, 105 00:04:46,396 --> 00:04:48,452 I thought, well, what's it doing? 106 00:04:48,452 --> 00:04:49,932 How do you have low blood pressure in your skin? 107 00:04:49,932 --> 00:04:52,023 It's not the heart. What do you do? 108 00:04:52,023 --> 00:04:56,094 So I went off to the States, as many people do if they're going to do research, 109 00:04:56,094 --> 00:04:59,831 and I spent a few years in Pittsburgh. This is Pittsburgh. 110 00:04:59,831 --> 00:05:02,444 And I was interested in these really complex systems. 111 00:05:02,444 --> 00:05:06,485 We thought that maybe nitric oxide affected cell death, 112 00:05:06,485 --> 00:05:08,965 and how cells survive, and their resistance to other things. 113 00:05:08,965 --> 00:05:12,332 And I first off started work in cell culture, growing cells, 114 00:05:12,332 --> 00:05:14,452 and then I was using knockout mouse models -- 115 00:05:14,452 --> 00:05:16,189 mice that couldn't make the gene. 116 00:05:16,189 --> 00:05:20,599 We worked out a mechanism, which -- NO was helping cells survive. 117 00:05:20,599 --> 00:05:24,420 And I then moved back to Edinburgh. 118 00:05:24,420 --> 00:05:27,202 And in Edinburgh, the experimental animal we use is the medical student. 119 00:05:27,202 --> 00:05:29,260 It's a species close to human, 120 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:31,162 with several advantages over mice: 121 00:05:31,162 --> 00:05:34,618 They're free, you don't shave them, they feed themselves, 122 00:05:34,618 --> 00:05:36,738 and nobody pickets your office saying, 123 00:05:36,738 --> 00:05:39,138 "Save the lab medical student." 124 00:05:39,138 --> 00:05:42,401 So they're really an ideal model. 125 00:05:42,401 --> 00:05:44,362 But what we found 126 00:05:44,362 --> 00:05:48,979 was that we couldn't reproduce in man the data we had shown in mice. 127 00:05:48,979 --> 00:05:52,219 It seemed we couldn't turn off the production 128 00:05:52,219 --> 00:05:55,299 of nitric oxide in the skin of humans. 129 00:05:55,299 --> 00:05:58,091 We put on creams that blocked the enzyme that made it, 130 00:05:58,091 --> 00:06:02,475 we injected things. We couldn't turn off the nitric oxide. 131 00:06:02,475 --> 00:06:05,739 And the reason for this, it turned out, after two or three years' work, 132 00:06:05,739 --> 00:06:09,787 was that in the skin we have huge stores 133 00:06:09,787 --> 00:06:12,875 not of nitric oxide, because nitric oxide is a gas, 134 00:06:12,875 --> 00:06:16,027 and it's released -- (Poof!) -- and in a few seconds it's away, 135 00:06:16,027 --> 00:06:19,251 but it can be turned into these forms of nitric oxide -- 136 00:06:19,251 --> 00:06:22,883 nitrate, NO3; nitrite, NO2; nitrosothiols. 137 00:06:22,883 --> 00:06:24,299 And these are more stable, 138 00:06:24,299 --> 00:06:28,459 and your skin has got really large stores of NO. 139 00:06:28,459 --> 00:06:31,284 And we then thought to ourselves, with those big stores, 140 00:06:31,284 --> 00:06:34,595 I wonder if sunlight might activate those stores 141 00:06:34,595 --> 00:06:36,339 and release them from the skin, 142 00:06:36,339 --> 00:06:39,731 where the stores are about 10 times as big as what's in the circulation. 143 00:06:39,731 --> 00:06:42,571 Could the sun activate those stores into the circulation, 144 00:06:42,571 --> 00:06:47,811 and there in the circulation do its good things for your cardiovascular system? 145 00:06:47,811 --> 00:06:50,339 Well, I'm an experimental dermatologist, 146 00:06:50,339 --> 00:06:51,644 so what we did was we thought 147 00:06:51,644 --> 00:06:55,171 we'd have to expose our experimental animals to sunlight. 148 00:06:55,171 --> 00:06:59,251 And so what we did was we took a bunch of volunteers 149 00:06:59,251 --> 00:07:01,949 and we exposed them to ultraviolet light. 150 00:07:01,949 --> 00:07:03,678 So these are kind of sunlamps. 151 00:07:03,678 --> 00:07:06,374 Now, what we were careful to do was, 152 00:07:06,374 --> 00:07:09,334 vitamin D is made by ultraviolet B rays 153 00:07:09,334 --> 00:07:13,310 and we wanted to separate our story from the vitamin D story. 154 00:07:13,310 --> 00:07:17,157 So we used ultraviolet A, which doesn't make vitamin D. 155 00:07:17,157 --> 00:07:19,438 When we put people under a lamp 156 00:07:19,438 --> 00:07:24,514 for the equivalent of about 30 minutes of sunshine in summer in Edinburgh, 157 00:07:24,514 --> 00:07:27,054 what we produced was, we produced a rise 158 00:07:27,054 --> 00:07:29,046 in circulating nitric oxide. 159 00:07:29,046 --> 00:07:31,894 So we put patients with these subjects under the UV, 160 00:07:31,894 --> 00:07:34,310 and their NO levels do go up, 161 00:07:34,310 --> 00:07:36,446 and their blood pressure goes down. 162 00:07:36,446 --> 00:07:38,823 Not by much, as an individual level, 163 00:07:38,823 --> 00:07:41,190 but enough at a population level 164 00:07:41,190 --> 00:07:44,910 to shift the rates of heart disease in a whole population. 165 00:07:44,910 --> 00:07:47,334 And when we shone UV at them, 166 00:07:47,334 --> 00:07:50,996 or when we warmed them up to the same level as the lamps, 167 00:07:50,996 --> 00:07:54,258 but didn't actually let the rays hit the skin, this didn't happen. 168 00:07:54,258 --> 00:07:58,122 So this seems to be a feature of ultraviolet rays hitting the skin. 169 00:07:58,122 --> 00:07:59,946 Now, we're still collecting data. 170 00:07:59,946 --> 00:08:01,394 A few good things here: 171 00:08:01,394 --> 00:08:04,541 This appeared to be more marked in older people. 172 00:08:04,541 --> 00:08:06,154 I'm not sure exactly how much. 173 00:08:06,154 --> 00:08:07,927 One of the subjects here was my mother-in-law, 174 00:08:07,927 --> 00:08:10,879 and clearly I do not know her age. 175 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:14,311 But certainly in people older than my wife, 176 00:08:14,311 --> 00:08:17,444 this appears to be a more marked effect. 177 00:08:17,444 --> 00:08:18,695 And the other thing I should mention 178 00:08:18,695 --> 00:08:20,751 was there was no change in vitamin D. 179 00:08:20,751 --> 00:08:22,871 This is separate from vitamin D. 180 00:08:22,871 --> 00:08:24,407 So vitamin D is good for you -- it stops rickets, 181 00:08:24,407 --> 00:08:26,647 it prevents calcium metabolism, important stuff. 182 00:08:26,647 --> 00:08:29,679 But this is a separate mechanism from vitamin D. 183 00:08:29,679 --> 00:08:32,255 Now, one of the problems with looking at blood pressure 184 00:08:32,255 --> 00:08:33,807 is your body does everything it can 185 00:08:33,807 --> 00:08:35,390 to keep your blood pressure at the same place. 186 00:08:35,390 --> 00:08:37,039 If your leg is chopped off and you lose blood, 187 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:39,944 your body will clamp down, increase the heart rate, 188 00:08:39,944 --> 00:08:42,168 do everything it can to keep your blood pressure up. 189 00:08:42,168 --> 00:08:45,144 That is an absolutely fundamental physiological principle. 190 00:08:45,144 --> 00:08:46,951 So what we've next done 191 00:08:46,951 --> 00:08:50,607 is we've moved on to looking at blood vessel dilatation. 192 00:08:50,607 --> 00:08:52,104 So we've measured -- this is again, 193 00:08:52,104 --> 00:08:57,432 notice no tail and hairless, this is a medical student. 194 00:08:57,432 --> 00:09:00,050 In the arm, you can measure blood flow in the arm 195 00:09:00,050 --> 00:09:03,282 by how much it swells up as some blood flows into it. 196 00:09:03,282 --> 00:09:06,757 And what we've shown is that doing a sham irradiation -- 197 00:09:06,757 --> 00:09:08,226 this is the thick line here -- 198 00:09:08,226 --> 00:09:10,626 this is shining UV on the arm so it warms up 199 00:09:10,626 --> 00:09:13,450 but keeping it covered so the rays don't hit the skin. 200 00:09:13,450 --> 00:09:17,362 There is no change in blood flow, in dilatation of the blood vessels. 201 00:09:17,362 --> 00:09:19,211 But the active irradiation, 202 00:09:19,211 --> 00:09:22,563 during the UV and for an hour after it, 203 00:09:22,563 --> 00:09:24,660 there is dilation of the blood vessels. 204 00:09:24,660 --> 00:09:27,260 This is the mechanism by which you lower blood pressure, 205 00:09:27,260 --> 00:09:29,636 by which you dilate the coronary arteries also, 206 00:09:29,636 --> 00:09:31,347 to let the blood be supplied with the heart. 207 00:09:31,347 --> 00:09:35,740 So here, further data that ultraviolet -- that's sunlight -- 208 00:09:35,740 --> 00:09:40,619 has benefits on the blood flow and the cardiovascular system. 209 00:09:40,619 --> 00:09:42,962 So we thought we'd just kind of model -- 210 00:09:42,962 --> 00:09:49,211 Different amounts of UV hit different parts of the Earth at different times of year, 211 00:09:49,211 --> 00:09:53,235 so you can actually work out those stores of nitric oxide -- 212 00:09:53,235 --> 00:09:55,491 the nitrates, nitrites, nitrosothiols in the skin -- 213 00:09:55,491 --> 00:09:58,363 cleave to release NO. 214 00:09:58,363 --> 00:10:02,188 Different wavelengths of light have different activities of doing that. 215 00:10:02,188 --> 00:10:04,267 So you can look at the wavelengths of light that do that. 216 00:10:04,267 --> 00:10:08,252 And you can look -- So, if you live on the equator, the sun comes straight overhead, 217 00:10:08,252 --> 00:10:10,068 it comes through a very thin bit of atmosphere. 218 00:10:10,068 --> 00:10:12,507 In winter or summer, it's the same amount of light. 219 00:10:12,507 --> 00:10:15,020 If you live up here, in summer 220 00:10:15,020 --> 00:10:17,676 the sun is coming fairly directly down, 221 00:10:17,676 --> 00:10:20,983 but in winter it's coming through a huge amount of atmosphere, 222 00:10:20,983 --> 00:10:24,204 and much of the ultraviolet is weeded out, 223 00:10:24,204 --> 00:10:26,556 and the range of wavelengths that hit the Earth 224 00:10:26,556 --> 00:10:28,884 are different from summer to winter. 225 00:10:28,884 --> 00:10:30,826 So what you can do is you can multiply those data 226 00:10:30,826 --> 00:10:32,819 by the NO that's released 227 00:10:32,819 --> 00:10:36,003 and you can calculate how much nitric oxide 228 00:10:36,003 --> 00:10:39,172 would be released from the skin into the circulation. 229 00:10:39,172 --> 00:10:41,172 Now, if you're on the equator here -- 230 00:10:41,172 --> 00:10:44,599 that's these two lines here, the red line and the purple line -- 231 00:10:44,599 --> 00:10:48,996 the amount of nitric oxide that's released is the area under the curve, 232 00:10:48,996 --> 00:10:51,027 it's the area in this space here. 233 00:10:51,027 --> 00:10:53,724 So if you're on the equator, December or June, 234 00:10:53,724 --> 00:10:56,980 you've got masses of NO being released from the skin. 235 00:10:56,980 --> 00:10:59,444 So Ventura is in southern California. 236 00:10:59,444 --> 00:11:01,660 In summer, you might as well be at the equator. 237 00:11:01,660 --> 00:11:03,716 It's great. Lots of NO is released. 238 00:11:03,716 --> 00:11:07,659 Ventura mid-winter, well, there's still a decent amount. 239 00:11:07,659 --> 00:11:11,620 Edinburgh in summer, the area beneath the curve is pretty good, 240 00:11:11,620 --> 00:11:15,835 but Edinburgh in winter, the amount of NO that can be released 241 00:11:15,835 --> 00:11:19,693 is next to nothing, tiny amounts. 242 00:11:19,693 --> 00:11:21,498 So what do we think? 243 00:11:21,498 --> 00:11:23,090 We're still working at this story, 244 00:11:23,090 --> 00:11:25,002 we're still developing it, we're still expanding it. 245 00:11:25,002 --> 00:11:26,650 We think it's very important. 246 00:11:26,650 --> 00:11:30,243 We think it probably accounts for a lot of the north-south health divide within Britain, 247 00:11:30,243 --> 00:11:31,874 It's of relevance to us. 248 00:11:31,874 --> 00:11:33,562 We think that the skin -- 249 00:11:33,562 --> 00:11:36,450 well, we know that the skin has got very large stores 250 00:11:36,450 --> 00:11:38,674 of nitric oxide as these various other forms. 251 00:11:38,674 --> 00:11:40,547 We suspect a lot of these come from diet, 252 00:11:40,547 --> 00:11:42,818 green leafy vegetables, beetroot, lettuce 253 00:11:42,818 --> 00:11:46,138 has a lot of these nitric oxides that we think go to the skin. 254 00:11:46,138 --> 00:11:48,282 We think they're then stored in the skin, 255 00:11:48,282 --> 00:11:50,682 and we think the sunlight releases this 256 00:11:50,682 --> 00:11:53,315 where it has generally beneficial effects. 257 00:11:53,315 --> 00:11:55,794 And this is ongoing work, but dermatologists -- 258 00:11:55,794 --> 00:11:57,514 I mean, I'm a dermatologist. 259 00:11:57,514 --> 00:12:00,042 My day job is saying to people, "You've got skin cancer, 260 00:12:00,042 --> 00:12:01,922 it's caused by sunlight, don't go in the sun." 261 00:12:01,922 --> 00:12:04,658 I actually think a far more important message 262 00:12:04,658 --> 00:12:08,082 is that there are benefits as well as risks to sunlight. 263 00:12:08,082 --> 00:12:13,835 Yes, sunlight is the major alterable risk factor for skin cancer, 264 00:12:13,835 --> 00:12:16,706 but deaths from heart disease are a hundred times higher 265 00:12:16,706 --> 00:12:18,658 than deaths from skin cancer. 266 00:12:18,658 --> 00:12:21,307 And I think that we need to be more aware of, 267 00:12:21,307 --> 00:12:23,386 and we need to find the risk-benefit ratio. 268 00:12:23,386 --> 00:12:24,858 How much sunlight is safe, 269 00:12:24,858 --> 00:12:29,058 and how can we finesse this best for our general health? 270 00:12:29,058 --> 00:12:31,238 So, thank you very much indeed. 271 00:12:31,238 --> 00:12:38,135 (Applause)