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goodnow america's longest war

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its most costly war

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its first military the treaty and as[br]well as nightmares national problem

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people spell often what went wrong

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how it applied to the u_s_ get involved

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with vietnam a tragic mistake as[br]liberals crying

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did the u_s_ lose because of[br]self-imposed constraints as

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conservatives crying

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could we have won the war quijote[br]unleashed a military machine

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and bond the north vietnamese back to[br]the stone age what was the cost of

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vietnam the human cost the political[br]cost

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the economic cost about

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united states and the vietnamese

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one person who have been researching[br]these questions for over ten years is

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william gibson we've just published a[br]book the perfect war

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techno war in vietnam with atlantic[br]monthly press

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though is a graduate of the university[br]of texas where he did his undergraduate

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work

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and he got his p_h_d_ at yale university

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and is now a professor of sociology at[br]southern methodist university and

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dollars and we're very pleased to have[br]you with us today

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alternatives built a discussion of[br]vietnam dot

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this is an incredible book

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erbil

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uh...

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you have

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read a lot about vietnam or if you have[br]never read anything about vietnam

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this is the one you should read

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because uh... it shows

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the picture from the top from the bottom

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and it gives a explanation this to what[br]really happened there and quite things

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happen

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usually come back what kind of empty[br]feeling unwell frustration or not really

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knowing that you

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after reading your book yet you[br]understand him

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incredible and i were thinking and you[br]got the emotional feeling the impact

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as well as what was happening in the[br]mind

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an incredible stories like hell

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the north vietnamese were able to

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bring down american justice by lying on[br]the back and firing forty-five rifles

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weapons but i'm getting out of the story[br]doesn't know what they did and i talking

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about that in your opinion is[br]distinctive about

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the vietnam war what about that brought[br]about u_s_ involvement in this bill

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clinton adventure

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the most distinctive features of the[br]vietnam war

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but it was the first warren modern times

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to be taught from a managerial jisme[br]perspective

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during world war two u_s_ industry may[br]domestic contribution to the war african

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american military man and political[br]leaders

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fully appreciated that effort

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during world war two the military[br]partially adopted a business model

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organization put their supply operation

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after world war two they began to think[br]of combat

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there's also a production process

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the option of core racine otters[br]gladiator heroes who were meeting in

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combat but is a poor managers

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internally enlisted men

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we're no longer the citizens of the[br]nation but they were workers

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managers and workers that worked on the[br]production line to produce deaths

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and the product and was in the body[br]counts

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so just in american society st[br]supposedly

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was high technology

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capital-intensive business

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so too it we fight wars

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is high-technology capital-intensive[br]work there

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we would be able to drive the other side[br]bankrupt

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so if this production model of war or[br]what i call techno war

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that distinguishes

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at a primary structural level

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vietnam

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from other warfare

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and will bend and uh... in this way we[br]couldn't lose because we were fighting

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and ball underdeveloped uncritical

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third world country

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look has inspected

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exactly from an american perspective

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the only thing that counts in warfare

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is technology in economics

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welcome your economy and how you[br]translate our economy into your military

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dead week it was impossible for us to[br]loosen theoretically impossible

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who are going to develop hasn't economy

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to beat the united states it just[br]couldn't happen

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therefore

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whenever we ran into a problem

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in four fifty four or sixty or sixty[br]four

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every time you asked me to do this

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we always thought that if we cast[br]related to the next highest level we

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would win it's a closed system

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and there's always vietnam chosen at the[br]start

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for the first

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etna war

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uh... there's no

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stork will resume

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for vietnam it was really vietnam as a[br]country as a people as a culture didn't

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really matter to the americans

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so there was nothing about

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about the country per se

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to make despite their

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it was certainly the time winner of this[br]whole apparatus of warfare was

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developing

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vis-a-vis the time and

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situation in vietnam

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was deteriorating from an american[br]perspective

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techno war or

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this this production model of war got[br]its big push in the fifties

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because after world war two when we had[br]to hydrogen bomb atomic bomb newsletter

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the hydrogen bomb the russians didn't

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it seemed clear restaurant mastery of[br]the world was just unsurpassed we could

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not be challenged

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between the russians had the bomb we[br]were in a situation of potentially

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mutual destruction where they could[br]destroy our industrial apparatus

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then this may be americans feel good but

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so the question came as how can we[br]develop our form of warfare

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too

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into exercise our power in the world

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without threatening

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nuclear war

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in the idea developed by doctor henry[br]kissinger

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it with the time was a professor of[br]political science at harvard we what's

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called limited before

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and the idea was because our economy was[br]so big and powerful

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we could have guns and butter butter[br]m_t_v_'s in popcorn in drive-ins

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poured hula hoops for the americans at[br]home

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event

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limited war

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for an indefinite period of time that[br]they were all because we were so much

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richer we we just got the other side[br]bankrupt and there was a period where

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it's certainly guerrilla movements of[br]the national liberation

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lives were allegedly said cuban[br]revolution

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in nineteen fifty nine a network

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third-world revolutionary movement to[br]outline of the western the opposite side

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of the french and british empire could[br]deteriorate worldwide sitting behind yet

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not a classic case of the vietnam have[br]been a french colony will prolong

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crosses a revolt

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soviet noticeably it was ready we had[br]our theory

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for limited war we had our apparatus in[br]place

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at the time vietnam's was uh...

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well by the time difference had been[br]thrown out

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can you give us a brief at history

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uh... vietnam a nurse

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scrabble burst into chinese and the[br]french et cetera leading up to american

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intervention

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certainly the word vietnam initially[br]came seventeen newman yet

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and it was a uh...

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uh...

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part of china that

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weaponry break off it's like chinese[br]immigrated anna quindlen pulmonary

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racially-based ingrid

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and tried to ukraine claim independence

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chinese amperage would invade it now[br]hold the country for several hundred

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years it is amazing

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grows up riders we're booked by the[br]chinese after chinese within invading

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colder for another fifteen hundred years[br]limited means would throw them out

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and hold on for fifty years

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this is the struggle between vietnam and[br]china

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for vietnamese attendance went on for[br]hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and

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hundreds of years

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finally a bit

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kind of vietnamese had

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i repeat china

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they were improbable we thought

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in them because of the time of the west[br]was expanding

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and france was looking for a way to get[br]the china

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for the uh... spiced ratings and so on[br]ended up taking vietnam

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so perhaps took a vietnam's economy in[br]the eighteen nineties

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vietnamese often run against the french[br]were making earnings are not

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they just kept on putting with the new[br]world war two

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the communist

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uh... especially headed back which you[br]may remember million chapin

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pepto

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organized better

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they fought against the japanese

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and then after declared their[br]independence in forty five

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and ironically american uh...[br]intelligence operatives are supported

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that effort

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extensively

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and putting them as i understand it look[br]at that time the united states as a

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model to developers country not to the[br]soviet union position was that he had

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paid off whatever he had tempe[br]ideologically otr soviet union and that

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he was a free agent was not getting any[br]assistance

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and that the american over the[br]declaration of independence

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it stated time period this policy

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there's a far better possible that a lot

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at the bottom of the market's leaflet[br]and good at that part of the nationalist

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and a democrat to some extent

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so there are certainly a national osama[br]how much a democrat i'm not i'd i

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wouldn't

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prize-winner lip service there was no[br]values that walton trailer but certainly

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an actual club and they got to be amazed[br]if he did the french in fifty four after

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eight years of

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extensive work fare stand to grow up[br]there

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into court impressed understand

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the war in vietnam was one country

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if you'd be intended to be divided into[br]three administrators owned by the french

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but work there was going on all free

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when the war ended in fifty four the[br]country look like a checkerboard

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celebration in march tom gjelten the[br]soviet union or some french cities held

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in the south other areas held by the

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uh... by the company's communist

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more than seven hundred evenings this[br]was only checkerboard

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been at the geneva peace talks in[br]nineteen fifty four there was a land

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swap

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vietnamese forces move north french[br]consolidated their forces in the south

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awhile is drawing a provisional[br]administrative boundary nada national

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boundary not political boundary[br]administrators on a boundary

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the idea was the country would be[br]divided for two years now with the

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international election two fifty six

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there were no such an order uh...[br]elections

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united states meredith

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would support understand this idea of[br]north vietnam as a separate country

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saturday's south vietnam was wrong

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there was no more from south vietnam as[br]two separate countries

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that was uh...

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uh... obstet there was a checkerboard

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at the end at fifty four they got they[br]got changed

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that had happened at least out to be[br]getting the resistance struggle

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women

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the grill twenty eight fifty four

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the vietcong himself

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we're told to put down their guns and[br]that they were going to engage in

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political struggle

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for two years in preparation for fifty[br]six elections

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out that became extremely dangerous

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uh... dam

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demand the americans printout

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immediately went after and honey down[br]most of the communist leftist democrats

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nationalist meridian and his family will[br]get numb pretty much a dictatorship

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um...

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annexed by midnight for the late fifties

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the local

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communist entangled miller and socialist[br]in democratic apparatus

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was taking casualties so badly

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doubt they had to renew the armed[br]struggle to survive

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excessive bleeding and decide on[br]congress put pressure on the north

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former communist party

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to like reopen

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the military front

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and have a joint political and military[br]strategy as opposed to simply trying to

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wait for international

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uh...

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intervention are killed by the united[br]nations or something

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so that that's the origin of reserves to[br]the heart of the best response to this

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day

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for your response is quite simple verses[br]up

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wearing the green berets had originally[br]been formed a parachute into eastern

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europe

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uh... after

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to organize guerrilla movements in[br]eastern europe

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cotton reformulated

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ads counterinsurgency experts and they[br]were sent to vietnam by president

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kennedy in nineteen sixty euros on[br]massive increase in c_i_a_ operations

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the whole idea colour workday remembered

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and counterinsurgency war criminal we[br]failed at the bay of pigs in nineteen

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one sixty one

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and so the idea was we must become[br]experts say fighting these world wars of

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national liberation

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and that we must have new warrior[br]technicians who can intervene

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underdeveloped countries countries

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fix things

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and the green berets now were one[br]branches fix-it men

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c_i_a_ operatives were another

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various logistics people we cannot[br]economist

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well were others

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which memory

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understand the class structure of[br]vietnam in support of rule society

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most of the people of landless peasants[br]our own very small plots of land there

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under subsistence agriculture

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where a large part of the crop goes to[br]the landlord

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asmara land owning cleverest p presents[br]a buddhist with practiced elements of

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confucian isms well

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a small and an in-class like many of[br]them at every p_g_ eastman north

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many have been catholic

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controls the nation's wealth

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so

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d_m_ i'm

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the government d_m_ users in the army as[br]a mechanism to collect lips

0:13:27.530,0:13:31.100
and during the first war against the[br]french debit card will be distributed

0:13:31.100,0:13:33.110
the land to the peasantry

0:13:33.110,0:13:36.410
so indium came to power in fifty four[br]with the army

0:13:36.410,0:13:40.920
in a naked is agents of the landlord to[br]collect here's a bachlorette

0:13:40.920,0:13:44.040
notice intruding in total class

0:13:44.040,0:13:47.460
polarization increased one more time

0:13:47.460,0:13:51.049
adelphia cultivate part into[br]evolutionary perspective exactly

0:13:51.049,0:13:54.730
and then g_m_ had to use more more[br]repression

0:13:54.730,0:13:58.800
as a result of the dissatisfaction with[br]the regression internet the nurses at

0:13:58.800,0:14:02.920
the time that the get karke honors[br]courses felt like they had to resort or

0:14:02.920,0:14:03.759
something

0:14:03.759,0:14:07.730
so this is why you made your statement[br]in your book that the m had an army but

0:14:07.730,0:14:10.490
given that he was not a government

0:14:10.490,0:14:13.670
that's right knowed it was no expected[br]administration under the military

0:14:13.670,0:14:18.190
administration deliveries to replace all[br]forms of village council all forms of

0:14:18.190,0:14:20.010
intermediary powers that

0:14:20.010,0:14:22.200
any linkage to to below

0:14:22.200,0:14:26.570
were destroyed instead our loyalty was[br]from the potsdam

0:14:26.570,0:14:30.549
yet the american escalation didn't[br]really dramatically

0:14:30.549,0:14:34.869
accelerating talked again this[br]fascination what brought about this

0:14:34.869,0:14:36.160
dramatic

0:14:36.160,0:14:39.889
acceleration and what you call type of[br]work to vietnam

0:14:39.889,0:14:43.689
will be able to go on and all the other[br]vietnamese generals begin a power

0:14:43.689,0:14:45.620
struggle among themselves

0:14:45.620,0:14:50.180
consequently whatever government[br]repressive apparatus t_m_ had collapsed

0:14:50.180,0:14:52.390
desertion is increased radically

0:14:52.390,0:14:56.470
defections um... yet communist became[br]stronger and stronger

0:14:56.470,0:15:00.470
by sixty-four american policymakers[br]feared that there would be a provisional

0:15:00.470,0:15:03.430
will be revolutionary government open

0:15:03.430,0:15:06.000
provisional revolutionary government[br]much in the countryside

0:15:06.000,0:15:07.630
which we have lost

0:15:07.630,0:15:08.850
i mean it's good to say

0:15:08.850,0:15:11.479
u_s_ forces lost or the french lost him

0:15:11.479,0:15:12.780
forty five

0:15:12.780,0:15:17.550
we lost again in fifty four we lost[br]again sixty three sixty four we escalate

0:15:17.550,0:15:24.490
kenya nothing escalated and pasted eaten[br]not in the face of victory right

0:15:24.490,0:15:27.799
massive defeating sixty-three and[br]sixty-four broadband

0:15:27.799,0:15:29.809
yemeni put u_s_ ground troops

0:15:29.809,0:15:33.800
and sustained bombing of the north and[br]want to try to sell versace's reject why

0:15:33.800,0:15:38.940
couldn't you have to accept the decedent[br]has a small corner of the world

0:15:38.940,0:15:42.090
the united states has been unwilling to[br]deal with communism as a political

0:15:42.090,0:15:45.970
social economic movement instead if[br]you've seen that

0:15:45.970,0:15:50.680
we as americans are the natural beams of[br]the world of capitalism is the national

0:15:50.680,0:15:52.230
economic order

0:15:52.230,0:15:55.140
and i'm in our system innocently

0:15:55.140,0:15:56.249
the essence of

0:15:56.249,0:15:58.530
feeling good nursing absence of nature

0:15:58.530,0:16:01.040
therefore something very very different[br]from ours

0:16:01.040,0:16:04.949
is none other society within one[br]compares differences in extremes with

0:16:04.949,0:16:06.350
its own and so forth

0:16:06.350,0:16:08.160
but instead

0:16:08.160,0:16:11.569
intimidating presence where nature their[br]entire nature

0:16:11.569,0:16:15.460
or what i call the for another

0:16:15.460,0:16:17.460
during world war two

0:16:17.460,0:16:19.350
the soviet union

0:16:19.350,0:16:23.350
did take over right after world war two[br]did invading take over eastern europe

0:16:23.350,0:16:27.920
the red army didn't want to hold it as a[br]buffer zone and they didn't stop epic

0:16:27.920,0:16:29.740
dictatorships there

0:16:29.740,0:16:32.780
this became a model

0:16:32.780,0:16:36.510
all-american views of communist and[br]social severely cut

0:16:36.510,0:16:40.080
americans did not understand it to a[br]revolution they did not understand the

0:16:40.080,0:16:41.490
chinese revolution

0:16:41.490,0:16:44.590
in the forties that they were like[br]millions upon millions of poor peasants

0:16:44.590,0:16:47.110
who wanted land survive in a mouse a[br]toner

0:16:47.110,0:16:51.050
communist party offered in lance arrival[br]where's chiang kai-shek was a warlord

0:16:51.050,0:16:54.190
who offered and nothing

0:16:54.190,0:16:57.669
unable to see in total struggles for

0:16:57.669,0:16:59.180
uh...

0:16:59.180,0:17:01.700
socialism or communism or

0:17:01.700,0:17:04.430
while you are unable to see even in[br]cairo struggles for national

0:17:04.430,0:17:06.240
independence against queen elizabeth

0:17:06.240,0:17:09.619
the longest dividing to be an[br]interesting

0:17:09.619,0:17:13.339
and we have three guys who the bad guys[br]they are looking for another day trying

0:17:13.339,0:17:16.059
to move and so all forms of communism[br]kit

0:17:16.059,0:17:18.880
movements get scene in that

0:17:18.880,0:17:20.540
so in this incident

0:17:20.540,0:17:24.880
in particular limit in the world is not[br]just a particular moving up toward poor

0:17:24.880,0:17:28.650
country and it's really one hundred[br]poorly written on this matter

0:17:28.650,0:17:30.830
and we had uh... a little bit smith[br]there

0:17:30.830,0:17:35.330
is still any movement is a sign of a[br]global movement

0:17:35.330,0:17:39.500
there are so you know if you're poor[br]peasants with vietnam

0:17:39.500,0:17:42.610
that doesn't mean just that they have[br]little to a few more people have a few

0:17:42.610,0:17:43.669
more honest

0:17:43.669,0:17:44.970
instead that means

0:17:44.970,0:17:46.289
the before and other

0:17:46.289,0:17:49.770
monolithic machine his encroached one or[br]step

0:17:49.770,0:17:51.650
into each other step

0:17:51.650,0:17:55.299
the rest of the world becomes a pair of[br]this of course the dominant very sulekha

0:17:55.299,0:17:57.990
contagious disease sort of that sort of[br]like

0:17:57.990,0:18:02.130
each country having school his treatment[br]own culture in his own people

0:18:02.130,0:18:03.380
intercept

0:18:03.380,0:18:05.679
the world's leading to shell

0:18:05.679,0:18:08.860
i could just poured into the arson at[br]this time

0:18:08.860,0:18:13.200
once they get going to somehow i'm[br]making a stigma minimal propel cognizant

0:18:13.200,0:18:14.140
of victory

0:18:14.140,0:18:15.599
it's a billion

0:18:15.599,0:18:19.419
adequate mechanistic anticrime[br]initiative is a mechanistic framework of

0:18:19.419,0:18:21.630
the world make enemies

0:18:21.630,0:18:25.440
is for the other day are we doing it all[br]construction

0:18:25.440,0:18:30.390
but isn't that also water two sides of[br]this the other side of the people of

0:18:30.390,0:18:34.800
the big decision makers dave's[br]foreign-policy establishment retirement

0:18:34.800,0:18:38.480
looking at the world on a more realistic[br]basis

0:18:38.480,0:18:43.400
as uh... general maxwell taylor said in[br]his book we have to

0:18:43.400,0:18:47.179
keep an iron grip on the third world[br]country because they're poorer and they

0:18:47.179,0:18:50.390
want which is in the riches would have[br]to come from us

0:18:50.390,0:18:55.040
so they look at any type of victories[br]that unique as an he can such as in

0:18:55.040,0:18:58.159
vietnam

0:18:58.159,0:19:01.490
providing an example to other third[br]world countries

0:19:01.490,0:19:05.690
that if they can do it and get away with[br]in vietnam they can get away with it in

0:19:05.690,0:19:10.170
order to universal siddiqui vietnam's[br]universal sign of her

0:19:10.170,0:19:14.000
national liberation victory everywhere[br]defeated vietnam means that

0:19:14.000,0:19:17.200
all liberation movements will give up[br]their struggle

0:19:17.200,0:19:20.950
suburb given the fact that i have uh...[br]there is uh... that uh... that still

0:19:20.950,0:19:23.020
caught back to the united states

0:19:23.020,0:19:27.270
that have built up in the military[br]machine bottled water given a

0:19:27.270,0:19:32.970
mechanistic anti communism was motivated[br]the foreign policy decisions i have the

0:19:32.970,0:19:38.610
u_s_ foreign policy establishment and[br]given the clots began sake of these

0:19:38.610,0:19:43.370
government in vietnam there is almost[br]inevitable that u_s_ involvement would

0:19:43.370,0:19:46.800
intensify that this war was not an[br]accident

0:19:46.800,0:19:50.990
that is what i was not just uh... policy[br]mistake that was a consequence

0:19:50.990,0:19:55.340
basically u_s_ foreign policy u_s_[br]industrial military

0:19:55.340,0:19:59.550
uh... development since world war two[br]that this was a test case this is where

0:19:59.550,0:20:00.780
they

0:20:00.780,0:20:06.150
test of whether she needs dot communism[br]i really restriction together

0:20:06.150,0:20:07.000
i am

0:20:07.000,0:20:08.640
more than the crucial

0:20:08.640,0:20:10.950
arguments on trying to like

0:20:10.950,0:20:11.809
critique

0:20:11.809,0:20:15.460
in my book is this notion that that we[br]just made one mistake after another that

0:20:15.460,0:20:16.250
nobody

0:20:16.250,0:20:20.020
which really smart or breaking the bank[br]just sort of slipped up

0:20:20.020,0:20:24.130
you don't go to war that where you go to[br]work are far in advance

0:20:24.130,0:20:25.669
in sixty four oh one

0:20:25.669,0:20:29.190
johnson was making announcements about[br]the gulf of time canon just sort of like

0:20:29.190,0:20:31.279
i was surprised attack which

0:20:31.279,0:20:32.460
it wasn't

0:20:32.460,0:20:35.570
uh... in and early sixty five

0:20:35.570,0:20:38.690
when they were making goodness mister[br]naked public domain which in two

0:20:38.690,0:20:40.840
thousand more trips to vietnam

0:20:40.840,0:20:44.300
they fully expected kissing two hundred[br]thousand people bugging the sixty five

0:20:44.300,0:20:47.660
and another hundred sixty two and a[br]thousand sixty-six another hundred

0:20:47.660,0:20:51.060
thousand are sixty seven with the est[br]which were already there could be a

0:20:51.060,0:20:54.020
ticket happening in the end

0:20:54.020,0:20:59.810
but i had a bad it up and down towards a[br]plan warfare plant escalation

0:20:59.810,0:21:01.870
well let's talk about the war itself

0:21:01.870,0:21:04.600
and three others techno war actually

0:21:04.600,0:21:08.440
worked out itself in the ground in the[br]air by the use of helicopters the

0:21:08.440,0:21:12.590
helicopter warren search-and-destroy can[br]you describe the somehow they were

0:21:12.590,0:21:14.110
tonight

0:21:14.110,0:21:18.270
well not quite a bit there is general[br]junio

0:21:18.270,0:21:19.980
generals write books

0:21:19.980,0:21:23.510
they're kinda like academicians venita[br]like like to publish in order to get

0:21:23.510,0:21:27.500
poorer promoted at the hierarchy we[br]normally don't believe them but i think

0:21:27.500,0:21:32.590
that way but it is stripped of his death[br]by their actions justify their actions

0:21:32.590,0:21:36.530
are used book is called shopping the[br]combat engineers analysis to reinforce

0:21:36.530,0:21:41.480
military just uh... notre judgment it's[br]published by putnam the army

0:21:41.480,0:21:43.210
and in the first chapter

0:21:43.210,0:21:46.980
yourself that we can compare a[br]search-and-destroy operations in vietnam

0:21:46.980,0:21:50.050
to an assembly line

0:21:50.050,0:21:54.070
it was a pill angrily and what that[br]could be objectivity unlike a world war

0:21:54.070,0:21:57.600
two world war one would you have a[br]continuous fight going on thousands of

0:21:57.600,0:21:58.490
miles

0:21:58.490,0:22:02.280
you have a major offensive is in a[br]counter-offensive internal lol

0:22:02.280,0:22:03.200
in vietnam

0:22:03.200,0:22:07.529
it's back re economist backyards united[br]one full blast

0:22:07.529,0:22:11.230
all but i think that's the grand jury a[br]problem how do you just allocate your

0:22:11.230,0:22:14.029
resources given the fact that you've[br]already decided

0:22:14.029,0:22:14.849
to run

0:22:14.849,0:22:16.820
an actual capability

0:22:16.820,0:22:19.400
that that is bad and it is body count

0:22:19.400,0:22:21.330
search-and-destroy means that

0:22:21.330,0:22:25.840
settle somewhere between several hundred[br]and several thousand american soldiers

0:22:25.840,0:22:28.090
are going to search

0:22:28.090,0:22:29.960
a block of countryside

0:22:29.960,0:22:31.920
for viet cong

0:22:31.920,0:22:34.230
or north vietnamese troops

0:22:34.230,0:22:37.540
and they're going to try to engage them[br]in combat and of course and destroy

0:22:37.540,0:22:41.390
whatever troops or whatever supplies[br]they capture

0:22:41.390,0:22:44.330
imperious strategic often sick

0:22:44.330,0:22:47.980
meaning it's a way that could put the[br]viet cong

0:22:47.980,0:22:52.170
weaker at the moment to hunt them down

0:22:52.170,0:22:53.220
were hunters

0:22:53.220,0:22:55.980
democratic

0:22:55.980,0:22:57.400
the objective

0:22:57.400,0:23:00.320
used to cure all the enemy so fast

0:23:00.320,0:23:03.810
that we reach what's called we called[br]the crossover ports a general william

0:23:03.810,0:23:05.450
westmoreland st

0:23:05.450,0:23:07.059
the crossover point needs

0:23:07.059,0:23:09.440
you're killing me any faster

0:23:09.440,0:23:11.640
then they can replace their cash or[br]checks

0:23:11.640,0:23:14.830
like you to drive the other side[br]bankrupt

0:23:14.830,0:23:19.470
un saludo a high-technology without[br]helicopters are jet fighter bombers our

0:23:19.470,0:23:21.590
tanks

0:23:21.590,0:23:23.299
we don't put

0:23:23.299,0:23:25.450
condom up

0:23:25.450,0:23:27.750
now that's the theory

0:23:27.750,0:23:31.310
the practice of search-and-destroy often[br]turned out

0:23:31.310,0:23:33.320
very differently

0:23:33.320,0:23:34.620
in that part

0:23:34.620,0:23:36.370
a sickly

0:23:36.370,0:23:37.890
other factory

0:23:37.890,0:23:41.000
will decide the routine operations

0:23:41.000,0:23:45.530
and this routines we're quite visible to[br]the vietnamese

0:23:45.530,0:23:46.750
for example

0:23:46.750,0:23:49.850
we just didn't also didn't show up on[br]emails

0:23:49.850,0:23:51.039
into an area

0:23:51.039,0:23:51.799
in began

0:23:51.799,0:23:53.070
the search

0:23:53.070,0:23:54.440
instead

0:23:54.440,0:23:57.880
you had to like reconnaissance planes[br]had to go over it

0:23:57.880,0:24:03.460
artillery guns had to shoot smoke rounds[br]into the jungle into the landing zone

0:24:03.460,0:24:07.430
all the other artillery guns could side[br]and so they could like fire protective

0:24:07.430,0:24:10.570
artillery strikes around the landing[br]zone

0:24:10.570,0:24:12.640
if you really kind of unikom commander

0:24:12.640,0:24:15.300
if you see a smoke when i'm coming up in[br]the jungle

0:24:15.300,0:24:19.150
while you know that the americans are[br]getting ready to move on chat

0:24:19.150,0:24:22.330
um... a helicopter assault

0:24:22.330,0:24:26.540
there aren't that many clears out of it[br]clears in in nablus territory real

0:24:26.540,0:24:28.700
swamps ordinary

0:24:28.700,0:24:32.130
in jungle you can tell whether women's[br]own mazak

0:24:32.130,0:24:34.489
so many times the viet cong commanders

0:24:34.489,0:24:36.400
head of a very

0:24:36.400,0:24:41.390
substantial advance notice upon women[br]americans were going to begin operation

0:24:41.390,0:24:44.740
consulate they have a choice do we run[br]in height

0:24:44.740,0:24:46.930
are doing a bit

0:24:46.930,0:24:49.010
the americans we might

0:24:49.010,0:24:52.120
the secular pushed way takes the landing[br]zone

0:24:52.120,0:24:55.840
the second and third whereas bring in[br]more artillery

0:24:55.840,0:24:59.610
if you're a viet cong commander you get[br]out your compass in your map

0:24:59.610,0:25:02.460
you draw a circle of radius and on the[br]map

0:25:02.460,0:25:05.350
and that will tell you because you know[br]the dominican artillery hunting

0:25:05.350,0:25:08.990
five-millimeter howitzer has our two[br]thousand your radius

0:25:08.990,0:25:12.490
so you know that the americans will not[br]much broader outside the range of their

0:25:12.490,0:25:13.460
howitzers

0:25:13.460,0:25:15.820
so you can tell

0:25:15.820,0:25:17.649
where the americans are going to watch

0:25:17.649,0:25:21.280
do you run and hide dignified

0:25:21.280,0:25:24.800
this sort of thing kind of principle[br]goes on the it's in essence

0:25:24.800,0:25:27.750
they knew where we work but we did not[br]know where

0:25:27.750,0:25:28.619
they work

0:25:28.619,0:25:32.400
and they have the uh... they have been[br]issued a very heavy initiative

0:25:32.400,0:25:34.940
at that rate if you have to rain

0:25:34.940,0:25:38.320
so if you have the military's own[br]statistics

0:25:38.320,0:25:42.610
roughly three quarters of the battles in[br]vietnam were initiated by the economy in

0:25:42.610,0:25:43.419
the air

0:25:43.419,0:25:46.050
meaning they endorsed u_s_ forces

0:25:46.050,0:25:48.290
and can make a decision also

0:25:48.290,0:25:53.090
most battles immediately in the economy[br]in the a wanted them you need

0:25:53.090,0:25:56.169
they could like initiate contact him[br]break contact

0:25:56.169,0:25:59.570
and methods are two crucial definitions[br]of combat initiative

0:25:59.570,0:26:02.169
and your other statistic that only a m

0:26:02.169,0:26:05.630
to percent of the search-and-destroy[br]missions

0:26:05.630,0:26:06.990
did we actually

0:26:06.990,0:26:10.269
may contact uh... or original contact[br]with the vietnamese

0:26:10.269,0:26:14.360
so was their choice the whole time and[br]as i understand the soldiers themselves

0:26:14.360,0:26:16.909
on the ground they didn't like this[br]because they're the ones who would have

0:26:16.909,0:26:19.210
to take the casualties first

0:26:19.210,0:26:22.170
to lure the vietnamese into battle

0:26:22.170,0:26:25.920
so that then they uh... americans with[br]no word on the plane who worked on the

0:26:25.920,0:26:27.450
artillery

0:26:27.450,0:26:31.430
he sent out a patrolling in order to get[br]an ambushed

0:26:31.430,0:26:36.180
in order to market target with a smoke[br]rocket from the helicopter or such so

0:26:36.180,0:26:39.989
then the judge can come in and napalm in[br]the area in other words

0:26:39.989,0:26:41.690
you have to get ambushed

0:26:41.690,0:26:44.559
before you can find the enemy

0:26:44.559,0:26:47.639
you know when i began logan research i[br]had a hint

0:26:47.639,0:26:51.450
that i was going to find a very cavalier[br]attitude towards work an idea of

0:26:51.450,0:26:53.450
vietnamese later died

0:26:53.450,0:26:57.300
i was surprised to understand the[br]command attitude towards their own

0:26:57.300,0:26:58.910
saulters

0:26:58.910,0:27:02.830
but this think about it what kind of[br]production model organic techno war

0:27:02.830,0:27:05.440
either yes or no easiest one manager sir

0:27:05.440,0:27:09.760
we have a draft we can replace all the[br]calvo labor

0:27:09.760,0:27:11.990
that we loose can be replaced

0:27:11.990,0:27:15.690
and indeed it's like migrant labor force[br]chromosome alexei whereupon you bring an

0:27:15.690,0:27:19.450
end per year when you have heard a death[br]in chicago they were

0:27:19.450,0:27:24.040
qy dot well not much but a lot of our[br]other poor working-class

0:27:24.040,0:27:25.780
twice

0:27:25.780,0:27:28.490
the ideologues

0:27:28.490,0:27:29.600
so what

0:27:29.600,0:27:33.660
if they walk into an ambush we take some[br]casualties that way but they will call

0:27:33.660,0:27:38.650
in our airstrikes in colorado artillery[br]fire will use our technology and to do

0:27:38.650,0:27:40.940
to get the body count

0:27:40.940,0:27:43.040
sorrow in essence

0:27:43.040,0:27:45.890
the grant ritual bait

0:27:45.890,0:27:47.860
they will be sent out

0:27:47.860,0:27:51.440
on operations to being ambushed

0:27:51.440,0:27:53.800
and that not agood

0:27:53.800,0:27:55.770
wait to survive

0:27:55.770,0:27:58.230
and welfare

0:27:58.230,0:28:00.210
unites a movement

0:28:00.210,0:28:02.549
it was suicide

0:28:02.549,0:28:07.070
i was one of the worst patrols you could[br]ever go ahead

0:28:07.070,0:28:13.120
the purpose of it was four years walk up[br]on charlie and for him to hit you

0:28:13.120,0:28:16.990
and then for a hardware to wipe them out

0:28:16.990,0:28:20.560
we were used as scapegoats to find out[br]where they were

0:28:20.560,0:28:24.580
there was no we were

0:28:24.580,0:28:28.260
haley couldn't find charlie any other[br]way

0:28:28.260,0:28:31.690
so the locals around into a whole bunch[br]up mentally they could plastering than

0:28:31.690,0:28:36.669
it had a big body count mahendra general[br]gets another god damn metal in a big

0:28:36.669,0:28:39.490
promotion

0:28:39.490,0:28:40.940
uh...

0:28:40.940,0:28:43.000
let's also note again

0:28:43.000,0:28:46.359
the highest officer routinely on the[br]ground

0:28:46.359,0:28:49.130
during vietnam was a captain the[br]captain's

0:28:49.130,0:28:50.740
company commander

0:28:50.740,0:28:54.300
company had at noticed about a hundred[br]and forty people in it that would be at

0:28:54.300,0:28:55.890
full strength

0:28:55.890,0:29:00.110
most combat units never operate[br]upholstery

0:29:00.110,0:29:02.460
everyone above captains level

0:29:02.460,0:29:07.110
battalion commanders demand of kcl[br]commands four companies

0:29:07.110,0:29:11.940
all battalion level officers beginning[br]to gage commander several battalions

0:29:11.940,0:29:14.870
divisions has several regiments[br]abrogated

0:29:14.870,0:29:17.090
all the rest of those toppers

0:29:17.090,0:29:20.519
course for those commanders in[br]helicopters

0:29:20.519,0:29:23.010
trying at minimum of fifteen hundred[br]feet

0:29:23.010,0:29:26.010
because fifteen hundred feet is the[br]maximum range of the fifty caliber

0:29:26.010,0:29:29.730
machine gun when used as an antiaircraft[br]weapons which until the latter part of

0:29:29.730,0:29:30.549
the war

0:29:30.549,0:29:33.750
with the largest any aircraft weapon[br]that contact

0:29:33.750,0:29:36.880
so the managers were relatively state

0:29:36.880,0:29:39.440
in this process which is the workers

0:29:39.440,0:29:43.040
who are suffering the occupational[br]safety

0:29:43.040,0:29:47.360
uh... after-dinner hazards on on the[br]ground logistics taps

0:29:47.360,0:29:49.730
in terms of the numbers in the body[br]towns

0:29:49.730,0:29:54.900
did they actually uh... immunologic[br]succeed or where the costs greater than

0:29:54.900,0:30:00.080
the benefit even in terms of the logic

0:30:00.080,0:30:01.140
travel

0:30:01.140,0:30:02.889
things happened

0:30:02.889,0:30:04.720
for one

0:30:04.720,0:30:08.390
all the american commanders in[br]helicopters communicated in uncommitted

0:30:08.390,0:30:09.809
english

0:30:09.809,0:30:13.640
to their subordinate officers of ground[br]troops

0:30:13.640,0:30:15.880
the common in the a

0:30:15.880,0:30:17.480
were able to buy

0:30:17.480,0:30:21.200
american radios in the black market[br]capture others they routinely

0:30:21.200,0:30:22.990
listening to all the orders

0:30:22.990,0:30:26.480
there are many stories

0:30:26.480,0:30:30.100
keyboard appear calm hearing american[br]orders from him

0:30:30.100,0:30:33.970
taking actions to circumvent

0:30:33.970,0:30:36.370
the share arrogance of

0:30:36.370,0:30:40.179
nowhere in my helicopters we have all[br]the stuff we don't have to attempt

0:30:40.179,0:30:44.019
unit to pay attention to her in the and[br]end up costing american life span so

0:30:44.019,0:30:45.000
that part

0:30:45.000,0:30:46.630
didn't work

0:30:46.630,0:30:48.420
army took

0:30:48.420,0:30:51.790
within a year so by late sixty six or so

0:30:51.790,0:30:55.360
economy in the idea of how long it was[br]going to take an american air strike to

0:30:55.360,0:30:56.299
get there

0:30:56.299,0:31:00.430
sometimes they can make a terrible[br]miscalculation get caught up in open

0:31:00.430,0:31:01.539
but in the state

0:31:01.539,0:31:02.930
in the commander

0:31:02.930,0:31:04.510
it could

0:31:04.510,0:31:08.399
make a resort judgment how long he can[br]stay in combat before he had to run like

0:31:08.399,0:31:09.410
hell

0:31:09.410,0:31:12.700
because the uh... air force of again[br]look at the hearings are going to have

0:31:12.700,0:31:14.630
to come and go after him

0:31:14.630,0:31:16.429
so a lot of times

0:31:16.429,0:31:20.559
embassies would be quite brief community[br]would break off contact

0:31:20.559,0:31:24.080
well we've mentioned body count a couple[br]of times let's get into that kind of

0:31:24.080,0:31:26.600
whole framework of corruption and lies

0:31:26.600,0:31:30.279
and cover-ups that are curtail it's[br]simple portland

0:31:30.279,0:31:32.740
without so far

0:31:32.740,0:31:35.660
successor worst trillion anybody can

0:31:35.660,0:31:38.490
escrito try driving oversight bankrupt

0:31:38.490,0:31:40.490
and his presume that

0:31:40.490,0:31:44.590
uh... we humans does our was just on the[br]gentleman that night

0:31:44.590,0:31:49.350
your tenants are captain time and your[br]captain kirk company commander sailor

0:31:49.350,0:31:50.870
you're under pressure

0:31:50.870,0:31:54.500
under pressure to produce a body[br]captains of carmel semicolon battalion

0:31:54.500,0:31:58.220
commander if i don't leave my quota

0:31:58.220,0:31:59.730
my career's over with

0:31:59.730,0:32:03.500
obvi relieved of command if you really[br]the combat command

0:32:03.500,0:32:05.320
then you're going to take it

0:32:05.320,0:32:06.909
but the hierarchy

0:32:06.909,0:32:08.510
is is gone

0:32:08.510,0:32:11.190
saga squeeze you

0:32:11.190,0:32:13.660
and back in some units

0:32:13.660,0:32:18.040
it kind of where the informal rule was[br]if you don't meet your body count quota

0:32:18.040,0:32:21.810
and we're going to like they're not[br]going up to steal we'll just need your

0:32:21.810,0:32:25.720
help bring small ammount somewhat kuchma[br]water but don't expect you know you've

0:32:25.720,0:32:29.010
got like produced goods

0:32:29.010,0:32:34.880
and unify came back without a body count[br]or at least prisoner

0:32:34.880,0:32:38.090
and and get my hands to

0:32:38.090,0:32:43.000
so i kept the patrol out

0:32:43.000,0:32:44.389
like talk to uh...

0:32:44.389,0:32:49.210
leading to many soldiers who were[br]wounded they're the ones i saw in japan

0:32:49.210,0:32:54.320
and they told me that some units were[br]given a quota for the week

0:32:54.320,0:32:56.580
and if they didn't get it

0:32:56.580,0:33:00.940
but they were just sent right back out[br]again

0:33:00.940,0:33:04.510
uh... you're under pressure we severe[br]severe pressure

0:33:04.510,0:33:06.380
would you do

0:33:06.380,0:33:08.800
well you can do several things

0:33:08.800,0:33:10.950
one you can just to get a bike

0:33:10.950,0:33:13.909
you can just add up in the air just like[br]a a

0:33:13.909,0:33:17.570
say call up and have elected everyone in[br]your unit

0:33:17.570,0:33:21.790
kioto your entire class there you two[br]para frame sixteen for about uh... for

0:33:21.790,0:33:23.559
many common admit it

0:33:23.559,0:33:27.690
and i'll call up on the radio in the[br]report that i have a your body count of

0:33:27.690,0:33:28.370
thirty

0:33:28.370,0:33:32.190
articulate five or something like that

0:33:32.190,0:33:35.690
so you get in touch with a communal[br]company chambers

0:33:35.690,0:33:39.340
um... you call an air strike in calling[br]artillery strike

0:33:39.340,0:33:41.640
and the charming you nearby

0:33:41.640,0:33:42.690
um...

0:33:42.690,0:33:45.680
in you actually having kids when you[br]find too many bodies

0:33:45.680,0:33:47.440
well you know

0:33:47.440,0:33:51.860
needed it

0:33:51.860,0:33:55.600
if you've got to bodies and you've got[br]three different units

0:33:55.600,0:33:56.960
artillery air

0:33:56.960,0:33:58.900
in a country of ours

0:33:58.900,0:34:01.990
who is going to get the credit

0:34:01.990,0:34:05.900
what if you don't give credit to the[br]artillery

0:34:05.900,0:34:07.700
what do you think might happen

0:34:07.700,0:34:12.159
what did he say you fired that munis

0:34:12.159,0:34:16.319
does that sound like a large palestinian[br]artillery commanders dry giving support

0:34:16.319,0:34:21.188
to unite become sligo path that m around[br]how those air force pilots might have to

0:34:21.188,0:34:23.409
have a an inaugural solitude

0:34:23.409,0:34:24.780
it in your interest

0:34:24.780,0:34:29.250
to reward everyone inserts everyone is[br]under the same system everyone reads

0:34:29.250,0:34:30.309
body count

0:34:30.309,0:34:31.719
well sure

0:34:31.719,0:34:35.989
we give you fifty air force we give you[br]fifteen gunships we give you get the

0:34:35.989,0:34:38.289
autoimmune we on the ground

0:34:38.289,0:34:40.899
uh...

0:34:40.899,0:34:41.650
i've got

0:34:41.650,0:34:45.460
five bodies and i've got five rifles[br]were counting truck was a five persons

0:34:45.460,0:34:47.629
killed so i guess is twenty five

0:34:47.629,0:34:51.309
and while we were outstanding around[br]with continuing coverage

0:34:51.309,0:34:53.518
out i beg your pardon tim graves

0:34:53.518,0:34:55.188
or count them too

0:34:55.188,0:34:56.629
um...

0:34:56.629,0:35:00.769
everybody park in body parts a we fine[br]on my leg injury because sometimes

0:35:00.769,0:35:04.639
really whitman air strikes a deal yet[br]you can blow people smithereens unlike

0:35:04.639,0:35:09.349
the warm everywhere everyone is nice[br]discrete data yeah anne-marie award

0:35:09.349,0:35:11.829
it's quiet

0:35:11.829,0:35:15.709
there are stories of poor people from[br]different units had the fight over arms

0:35:15.709,0:35:16.869
and legs

0:35:16.869,0:35:20.499
to determine who is going to get the[br]kill cal

0:35:20.499,0:35:22.949
pregnant

0:35:22.949,0:35:26.719
and of course they got the getting more[br]pernicious because

0:35:26.719,0:35:30.679
they would slaughter vietnamese[br]civilians and include emini

0:35:30.679,0:35:35.359
children women all people include them[br]as part of the body count

0:35:35.359,0:35:38.709
who should get clear on on asking about

0:35:38.709,0:35:43.199
in some areas of the war whimper u_s_[br]forces were fighting uniform north

0:35:43.199,0:35:45.629
vietnamese troops

0:35:45.629,0:35:49.009
too many civilian casualties

0:35:49.009,0:35:53.459
a whole a whole lot of vietnam battles[br]occurred wait inside the country

0:35:53.459,0:35:57.799
where there were the economy a card and[br]the villagers were off will very much

0:35:57.799,0:36:00.569
the same people

0:36:00.569,0:36:06.729
went home search and destroy the nations[br]little-known stuckey limiting the moon

0:36:06.729,0:36:07.919
solely

0:36:07.919,0:36:14.359
killed everybody

0:36:14.359,0:36:15.559
he's happy to be

0:36:15.559,0:36:18.149
standing alongside officer

0:36:18.149,0:36:21.759
on the radio man said wexler we've got[br]some children rounded up what do you

0:36:21.759,0:36:23.269
want to do it

0:36:23.269,0:36:27.779
coming officer says god damn it bring in[br]a lot to do it and kill the bastards

0:36:27.779,0:36:30.930
you ain't got to god damn balls to kill[br]a marine i'll come down killed a bunch

0:36:30.930,0:36:32.679
of myself

0:36:32.679,0:36:34.569
marine said yes sir

0:36:34.569,0:36:37.869
and hung up the phone

0:36:37.869,0:36:43.139
at about two or three minutes later i[br]heard a lot of automatic fire

0:36:43.139,0:36:44.719
and a lot of

0:36:44.719,0:36:47.369
children screaming

0:36:47.369,0:36:50.599
hired babies crying

0:36:50.599,0:36:53.299
angered children

0:36:53.299,0:36:58.419
scream in her life

0:36:58.419,0:37:01.509
search-and-destroy we support whereas if[br]you say you

0:37:01.509,0:37:04.459
new units burned down villages routinely

0:37:04.459,0:37:07.529
um... continue going to be a legendary[br]again

0:37:07.529,0:37:08.670
and

0:37:08.670,0:37:12.819
you see the brokers there's only one in[br]vietnam had about providing it

0:37:12.819,0:37:17.129
you here in orange maybe maybe screaming[br]try get somebody out there that maybe

0:37:17.129,0:37:19.309
you just rather than a million

0:37:19.309,0:37:22.719
uh... more people start to wet away from[br]you

0:37:22.719,0:37:25.929
and well if they weren't community must[br]be ready

0:37:25.929,0:37:30.639
and so you shoot them in central running[br]becomes a sign of anatomy

0:37:30.639,0:37:33.539
we've been out for about three hours

0:37:33.539,0:37:36.809
and i'm really haven't seen anything was[br]too hot

0:37:36.809,0:37:40.659
but then i saw this figure of black[br]pajamas running along up and he died

0:37:40.659,0:37:42.410
about three hundred meters ahead

0:37:42.410,0:37:46.560
and to the left a flow how you know i[br]got what i mean i hollered ten o'clock

0:37:46.560,0:37:48.659
even mine

0:37:48.659,0:37:53.059
man i a matter of the warning to halt to[br]regulations

0:37:53.059,0:37:56.349
don't lie dont lie

0:37:56.349,0:37:58.479
so i got to learn me

0:37:58.479,0:38:02.019
squeezed the trigger

0:38:02.019,0:38:05.599
blackmun trying like a piece of paper[br]and augusta win

0:38:05.599,0:38:08.879
chlorine got stomped morgan shouted

0:38:08.879,0:38:12.409
not shot dead natasha nukem

0:38:12.409,0:38:16.559
when you reach the body and that's a[br]corp space up with my boot

0:38:16.559,0:38:18.319
the long run

0:38:18.319,0:38:20.729
uh... picked five to sixty

0:38:20.729,0:38:22.710
meanwhile he says

0:38:22.710,0:38:24.579
stupid goog

0:38:24.579,0:38:28.319
when she ran for

0:38:28.319,0:38:30.169
uh... we were run

0:38:30.169,0:38:32.049
and a free-fire zone

0:38:32.049,0:38:37.169
and we saw women a woman and child[br]running across them that captain says

0:38:37.169,0:38:39.709
well they're they're they're running

0:38:39.709,0:38:41.680
well free-fire zone

0:38:41.680,0:38:45.039
they're running the wrong and they're[br]the enemy

0:38:45.039,0:38:46.219
so he shot him

0:38:46.219,0:38:48.599
polls club opened up on

0:38:48.599,0:38:50.020
the next morning we went out

0:38:50.020,0:38:52.469
and we could see the cap of the child

0:38:52.469,0:38:54.199
that was bloody

0:38:54.199,0:39:01.119
and you can see where the mother dragged[br]a child away

0:39:01.119,0:39:02.980
prove separate they're afraid

0:39:02.980,0:39:04.620
they're trying to survive

0:39:04.620,0:39:11.620
and desperate situation but under high[br]pressure to produce a body count

0:39:11.939,0:39:15.059
so yes we got into sustained slaughter

0:39:15.059,0:39:16.049
uh...

0:39:16.049,0:39:16.990
it means

0:39:16.990,0:39:18.669
villagers

0:39:18.669,0:39:21.499
you go through the work in a man's hands

0:39:21.499,0:39:22.609
energy

0:39:22.609,0:39:25.919
if he's a true farmer he has campuses

0:39:25.919,0:39:28.160
any pisa grew up

0:39:28.160,0:39:31.759
he really fake farmer he doesn't see you[br]go when you look at the hands of those

0:39:31.759,0:39:35.489
if he doesn't have enough calluses when[br]you called in the way he seemed to

0:39:35.489,0:39:37.219
interrogation center

0:39:37.219,0:39:41.229
would you look at the ankles

0:39:41.229,0:39:45.410
a man he was a guerilla he must be and[br]when that dana julian is any causal

0:39:45.410,0:39:49.249
scratch where these are finally when you[br]have something scratches so people will

0:39:49.249,0:39:51.389
go american soldiers will go and look at

0:39:51.389,0:39:52.559
ankles

0:39:52.559,0:39:56.959
work is going to be actually a problem[br]identified about nine months time to get

0:39:56.959,0:39:58.289
much sleep

0:39:58.289,0:40:00.390
so you can answer those are your eyes

0:40:00.390,0:40:03.629
so u_s_ soldiers are going to look into[br]the act

0:40:03.629,0:40:07.309
of the vietnamese and try to send him an[br]incoming banks they hadn't been

0:40:07.309,0:40:10.009
convention did he get hauled off

0:40:10.009,0:40:11.879
when people in our country

0:40:11.879,0:40:13.439
it was not our culture

0:40:13.439,0:40:16.659
would not speak the language

0:40:16.659,0:40:19.079
imbaba netware looking at war

0:40:19.079,0:40:23.189
language culture history class structure[br]this matter student didn't matter what

0:40:23.189,0:40:26.539
matters we had the hollywood minute[br]didn't

0:40:26.539,0:40:27.540
well is that

0:40:27.540,0:40:30.899
part of a helicopter gunship we had a[br]rule

0:40:30.899,0:40:34.759
about the use of the day steve actually[br]met anyone taking dated action to be

0:40:34.759,0:40:36.259
fired upon

0:40:36.259,0:40:38.349
major explains why

0:40:38.349,0:40:41.319
or even what was going to know where[br]there is one answer that i recall where

0:40:41.319,0:40:43.699
we flew over a large rice paddy

0:40:43.699,0:40:47.329
and there were some people down they're[br]working on the rice paddy maybe dozens

0:40:47.329,0:40:48.809
fifteen individuals

0:40:48.809,0:40:51.430
and we passed over their heads

0:40:51.430,0:40:54.799
but in taking action who would you tell[br]the remembers

0:40:54.799,0:40:57.209
amarendra hyder anything

0:40:57.209,0:41:01.709
so we are covered by just a few feet off[br]the ground among about two helicopters

0:41:01.709,0:41:05.140
return on our police sirens and[br]eliminated at least fighters they

0:41:05.140,0:41:07.309
started to disperse

0:41:07.309,0:41:11.349
instantly open up on this channel nine

0:41:11.349,0:41:13.989
when i was six thirty in the evening

0:41:13.989,0:41:18.219
and uh... still daylight and they said[br]there was some greasy out there in the

0:41:18.219,0:41:19.789
call on us

0:41:19.789,0:41:24.159
so we fired out there until all seven of[br]them

0:41:24.159,0:41:28.819
wentworth comes back to us we killed[br]seven rice farmers care in their homes

0:41:28.819,0:41:31.349
they're trying to make it back to the[br]village

0:41:31.349,0:41:34.230
seaweed set up to this uh... cook for[br]you

0:41:34.230,0:41:37.949
six p_m_ to six a_m_

0:41:37.949,0:41:39.189
himself

0:41:39.189,0:41:42.279
he was up to them to be out of here by[br]that time

0:41:42.279,0:41:46.329
pale they didn't carry any wrist watches[br]they didn't have any idea what i mean a

0:41:46.329,0:41:49.279
lot

0:41:49.279,0:41:50.340
so yes

0:41:50.340,0:41:53.989
people got home away from traditional[br]never came back

0:41:53.989,0:41:56.440
uh...

0:41:56.440,0:41:59.380
really villagers were brought into the[br]ground

0:41:59.380,0:42:00.989
and blown up

0:42:00.989,0:42:02.609
and yes

0:42:02.609,0:42:05.829
meaning it means

0:42:05.829,0:42:07.659
men women children

0:42:07.659,0:42:10.619
chickens water buffalo

0:42:10.619,0:42:13.929
pigs complex

0:42:13.929,0:42:18.529
often who will care often times you into[br]village destroyed right shot everything

0:42:18.529,0:42:21.639
hamburger crops across and alcohol use

0:42:21.639,0:42:24.319
lieutenant and houses

0:42:24.319,0:42:27.920
the only you know for people who treat[br]you right when you walk through that

0:42:27.920,0:42:30.729
billy jean do you hate

0:42:30.729,0:42:33.809
you know they can be that's not even if[br]they can be read they won't say nothing

0:42:33.809,0:42:34.300
to eat

0:42:34.300,0:42:37.970
and we expect him to run out the welcome[br]those like at world war two type of

0:42:37.970,0:42:43.529
stuff you know how do you do you know i[br]havnt

0:42:43.529,0:42:47.329
seems we step outside the door leads the[br]captain radios them

0:42:47.329,0:42:49.439
where under heavy contact

0:42:49.439,0:42:53.579
and right away who who spent on jetstar[br]come in and dropping them five

0:42:53.579,0:42:57.189
hundred-pound bombs the whole villages[br]were leveled

0:42:57.189,0:42:59.739
and we go into the next election

0:42:59.739,0:43:03.679
and that is search and destroyed

0:43:03.679,0:43:08.749
all this was like a part of what you[br]call the miracle worker

0:43:08.749,0:43:10.619
it's essentially

0:43:10.619,0:43:13.719
if it's getting to get a new jersey city

0:43:13.719,0:43:14.959
in which hope

0:43:14.959,0:43:18.799
when it is just orange hat documents[br]call rules and gatien's they're supposed

0:43:18.799,0:43:25.799
to specify when you can open up by when[br]you can't on civilians bother anyone

0:43:26.729,0:43:29.130
used match at all new

0:43:29.130,0:43:33.190
instead of other kind of rules have to[br]let me say that they were under any okay

0:43:33.190,0:43:36.930
at but the job that was one looks[br]unusual containing the emmys wearing

0:43:36.930,0:43:38.009
black

0:43:38.009,0:43:41.259
uh... the heart was the enemy course all[br]peasants

0:43:41.259,0:43:45.339
that more that international address

0:43:45.339,0:43:50.439
soto all kinds of the state rules that[br]supposedly distinguish b imprint compo

0:43:50.439,0:43:54.319
the army's rules were wrong in that we[br]just didn't know the culture they were

0:43:54.319,0:43:57.279
kind of like fabrications that americans[br]invaded

0:43:57.279,0:44:00.399
to try to make themselves feel[br]legitimate

0:44:00.399,0:44:01.929
about who got shot

0:44:01.929,0:44:03.589
you know but honestly

0:44:03.589,0:44:05.759
people saw through this and said look

0:44:05.759,0:44:10.130
we listened to practices in the urban[br]google disability and he's just bc

0:44:10.130,0:44:12.150
immediate means wish you were talking[br]about

0:44:12.150,0:44:13.079
insulting

0:44:13.079,0:44:17.059
but also the factor of racism through[br]like sudden death how much they would

0:44:17.059,0:44:21.089
have done that they've been fighting[br]turbo ites probably much less

0:44:21.089,0:44:24.869
course for a chance to go to slopes[br]planted tank

0:44:24.869,0:44:27.589
one definition of the day vietnamese was

0:44:27.589,0:44:29.239
their leaders

0:44:29.239,0:44:33.409
if they've been napalm they were called[br]crispy critters

0:44:33.409,0:44:35.909
and made one minor went

0:44:35.909,0:44:37.810
when we killed a pregnant woman

0:44:37.810,0:44:40.399
we can do is to bc

0:44:40.399,0:44:41.609
one soldier

0:44:41.609,0:44:44.229
and one cadet

0:44:44.229,0:44:48.829
now what you do is you know with all the[br]friendly smith friendly vietnamese onto

0:44:48.829,0:44:49.890
ships

0:44:49.890,0:44:54.029
and taken out to the south china sea

0:44:54.029,0:44:59.249
and then you bomb the country flag

0:44:59.249,0:45:04.019
he asleep issued

0:45:04.019,0:45:06.669
i'd like to burn the whole country down

0:45:06.669,0:45:11.939
and then start again with americans

0:45:11.939,0:45:16.929
bombed the schools and churches bombed[br]iraq steals tuning

0:45:16.929,0:45:22.129
showed the children in the courtyard is[br]just what napalm candy too

0:45:22.129,0:45:26.799
strafed apana kill the people dropped[br]napalm and the square

0:45:26.799,0:45:32.229
and get out early ever sunday n ketchum[br]at the morning in prayer

0:45:32.229,0:45:37.769
broke and it to the are being gather[br]them all around they keep writing

0:45:37.769,0:45:43.589
millimeter canon and mold the bastards[br]and down

0:45:43.589,0:45:44.949
there's also

0:45:44.949,0:45:46.309
capped a certain

0:45:46.309,0:45:47.359
sadism

0:45:47.359,0:45:51.409
not only in soldiers on the field but[br]also intelligence people

0:45:51.409,0:45:52.629
people who would

0:45:52.629,0:45:55.819
collective years and

0:45:55.819,0:45:59.869
fingers and even heads and even[br]intelligence people with with admit that

0:45:59.869,0:46:01.969
they really got off to beating up

0:46:01.969,0:46:03.009
the uh...

0:46:03.009,0:46:05.269
people they were interrogating

0:46:05.269,0:46:06.480
if you don't get nice

0:46:06.480,0:46:09.629
bud thrill to do it

0:46:09.629,0:46:12.090
when you look for some reason i wore[br]them once

0:46:12.090,0:46:15.329
many had made valiant efforts to try to[br]talk about

0:46:15.329,0:46:18.399
the covers a lot of some sort of warfare

0:46:18.399,0:46:19.949
uh...

0:46:19.949,0:46:24.269
over there he said his arm clearly a[br]very strong statist

0:46:24.269,0:46:25.270
dimensions

0:46:25.270,0:46:26.999
a lot of right

0:46:26.999,0:46:31.549
uh... in the field as well as killing a[br]lot of rates followed by killings

0:46:31.549,0:46:34.109
and relations

0:46:34.109,0:46:36.259
when we do know

0:46:36.259,0:46:40.069
women only before five of us we go into[br]the village in take a girl

0:46:40.069,0:46:42.869
and bring her out to be into the jungle

0:46:42.869,0:46:47.929
we tell her to lie on the ground don't[br]scream otherwise weed killer immediately

0:46:47.929,0:46:49.029
and uh...

0:46:49.029,0:46:52.959
well how many regards there were well[br]they did what they want to do it

0:46:52.959,0:46:55.899
guys are a good mood they let her go

0:46:55.899,0:46:57.599
anyone

0:46:57.599,0:47:01.069
and killer

0:47:01.069,0:47:02.830
how the girls were

0:47:02.830,0:47:04.499
unconscious

0:47:04.499,0:47:07.939
that's a big band repeatedly raped

0:47:07.939,0:47:10.929
and then after we got your raping and[br]three of them

0:47:10.929,0:47:14.139
g_i_s type and the players and eighty

0:47:14.139,0:47:17.979
shot him in the girls vaginas

0:47:17.979,0:47:21.130
negroes were bleeding from their mouths[br]noses

0:47:21.130,0:47:23.969
spaces at the jonas

0:47:23.969,0:47:30.889
than the g_i_s uh... the plight of the[br]exterior portion of the players

0:47:30.889,0:47:32.150
they exploded

0:47:32.150,0:47:34.410
inside the girls click

0:47:34.410,0:47:41.409
their stomachs just exploded

0:47:41.409,0:47:43.380
well one day i was driving back

0:47:43.380,0:47:46.079
travel abroad and on about growth

0:47:46.079,0:47:50.829
and a guy comes over to me and he says[br]he needs some counseling

0:47:50.829,0:47:53.369
and say why

0:47:53.369,0:47:56.369
i look over and i see this girl when she[br]strapped

0:47:56.369,0:47:59.559
and she's tied the two mistakes

0:47:59.559,0:48:02.509
i don't know what they've done to her[br]before i got there

0:48:02.509,0:48:06.749
well they poured gasoline all over the[br]girl tabela why did it

0:48:06.749,0:48:07.390
they let it

0:48:07.390,0:48:08.399
and then they just

0:48:08.399,0:48:09.809
doug dare

0:48:09.809,0:48:14.789
and watched ur bernau

0:48:14.789,0:48:20.769
it if you look at the body consistently[br]see attached only thing that counts

0:48:20.769,0:48:26.649
the body can attached but that's what we[br]were to punishments are distributed by

0:48:26.649,0:48:29.439
if that's your etc

0:48:29.439,0:48:30.850
energy on command

0:48:30.850,0:48:32.680
does it really care

0:48:32.680,0:48:34.449
whether you survive

0:48:34.449,0:48:37.709
recruiting in a world where anything[br]goes

0:48:37.709,0:48:41.100
it becomes a good times will talk to you[br]all

0:48:41.100,0:48:42.560
it was a rival

0:48:42.560,0:48:45.349
or or to hold onto your ethics

0:48:45.349,0:48:48.369
i think a good example of this oliver[br]stone's movie platoon which is currently

0:48:48.369,0:48:54.010
in release which has a u_s_ military[br]unit which severely defied uh... divided

0:48:54.010,0:48:55.549
between one group

0:48:55.549,0:48:59.999
who commits atrocities and others who[br]thinks it's a horrible or war situation

0:48:59.999,0:49:03.299
and i think that's a good with the good[br]illustration of public on a dynamics

0:49:03.299,0:49:04.960
that could mean the years

0:49:04.960,0:49:06.699
illusions ep everyone

0:49:06.699,0:49:07.909
is a killer

0:49:07.909,0:49:09.979
or or or safe list

0:49:09.979,0:49:11.989
its rejection in a structure

0:49:11.989,0:49:13.949
wearer

0:49:13.949,0:49:15.909
a significant component

0:49:15.909,0:49:18.989
of your troops engage in such behavior[br]but none of it

0:49:18.989,0:49:21.859
so it seems that then you know we talk[br]about coffee

0:49:21.859,0:49:23.390
we talk about the line

0:49:23.390,0:49:26.069
when you use that term atrocity

0:49:26.069,0:49:29.739
it was an exception to a new law that's[br]not a good way to look at our world

0:49:29.739,0:49:30.960
let me lie

0:49:30.960,0:49:34.669
and atrocities we're just business as[br]usual

0:49:34.669,0:49:37.889
in in a life seems a little[br]well-organized in particular organized

0:49:37.889,0:49:38.989
but certainly

0:49:38.989,0:49:42.269
certainly mail i wasn't really village[br]in vietnam was burned out and everybody

0:49:42.269,0:49:45.839
in sight we shot that is that that is[br]that is not true at all

0:49:45.839,0:49:49.909
who said that is precisely the reason[br]ability on the ground war to distinguish

0:49:49.909,0:49:51.089
between

0:49:51.089,0:49:53.920
friend unfair obesity and peasant farmer

0:49:53.920,0:49:58.859
the lead to the next dimension uh... at[br]the world the participation

0:49:58.859,0:50:04.369
program the fact that they weren't able[br]to tell who the enemy lads that they had

0:50:04.369,0:50:08.200
to put out the whole country journey[br]company if you can't open from perot

0:50:08.200,0:50:12.300
the needy populate the countryside him[br]rudimentary few into concentration camps

0:50:12.300,0:50:15.559
and retreat urban slums

0:50:15.559,0:50:19.489
it's not easy to be popular countryside[br]for several major techniques were used

0:50:19.489,0:50:22.650
to kill podi asian should be destroyed a[br]third base of the country

0:50:22.650,0:50:25.269
this is where wage in orange county

0:50:25.269,0:50:29.089
agent orange in asian blue nationwide[br]were sprayed on

0:50:29.089,0:50:31.209
millions of acres of crop land

0:50:31.209,0:50:34.729
uh... other millions of acres a force[br]with affiliated

0:50:34.729,0:50:36.299
so if it based on

0:50:36.299,0:50:38.049
people have to work

0:50:38.049,0:50:39.069
secondly

0:50:39.069,0:50:41.429
certainly bottoming attacks

0:50:41.429,0:50:45.109
on villages which were quite quite[br]extensive discouraging courage people to

0:50:45.109,0:50:45.989
move

0:50:45.989,0:50:49.569
an employer actual search-and-destroy[br]operations were villages

0:50:49.569,0:50:53.340
sandwich everyone is killed others in[br]which you should be surrounded village

0:50:53.340,0:50:56.059
mood everyone out being burned at the[br]village

0:50:56.059,0:50:58.509
in mood in the middle east three minutes

0:50:58.509,0:50:59.829
uh...

0:50:59.829,0:51:03.689
millions and millions of years and[br]hospitals worse yet

0:51:03.689,0:51:04.739
too

0:51:04.739,0:51:07.309
concentration camps into urban slums

0:51:07.309,0:51:10.539
what's so interesting is the american[br]solicit progress this was our

0:51:10.539,0:51:11.749
organization

0:51:11.749,0:51:14.579
rural is bad berman is good

0:51:14.579,0:51:16.389
so

0:51:16.389,0:51:18.819
even though they have nothing

0:51:18.819,0:51:22.669
it was brought into the uh... sees a[br]sign of progress

0:51:22.669,0:51:25.539
through bring vietnamese and where

0:51:25.539,0:51:28.119
you could show them t_v_ and

0:51:28.119,0:51:29.919
uh...

0:51:29.919,0:51:32.790
and make them work in american uh...

0:51:32.790,0:51:34.769
bases and so on and so forth

0:51:34.769,0:51:38.269
was seen in setting up a more[br]sophisticated job and being a peasant

0:51:38.269,0:51:39.179
farmer

0:51:39.179,0:51:43.739
this is also part i think senator i'm[br]i'm not saying the enemy and a as

0:51:43.739,0:51:48.729
uh... culture or as individuals or[br]people the same time just as mirror

0:51:48.729,0:51:50.339
images of urself

0:51:50.339,0:51:54.429
like they'd bombing of north vietnam was[br]forced her to mcveigh's during their

0:51:54.429,0:51:57.379
capacity to have consumer goods

0:51:57.379,0:51:59.679
certainly interesting idea

0:51:59.679,0:52:04.339
you would take the numeric restricted

0:52:04.339,0:52:06.560
no getting scared about their hope

0:52:06.560,0:52:10.400
that they would care about their way[br]other than a dog in their ancestors

0:52:10.400,0:52:14.119
grave in their life's field to retrieve[br]it instead

0:52:14.119,0:52:18.239
simply just to have vishnu good have[br]this close to surrender deliver the

0:52:18.239,0:52:19.919
earlier

0:52:19.919,0:52:23.639
but that in itself was just unmitigated[br]good like people's lives were not

0:52:23.639,0:52:26.060
important part of the root of human[br]dimension

0:52:26.060,0:52:28.799
was completely lost listed america's bid

0:52:28.799,0:52:29.989
we can count

0:52:29.989,0:52:33.839
ham a_t_t_'s reported this month how[br]many hundreds and how they're by i think

0:52:33.839,0:52:36.369
that the war was applicable

0:52:36.369,0:52:37.809
the vietnam in a way

0:52:37.809,0:52:40.859
certainly hit exactly it could be in[br]many ways to create a tremendous

0:52:40.859,0:52:41.660
destruction

0:52:41.660,0:52:43.749
but he could not stop

0:52:43.749,0:52:46.680
a very powerful united people who

0:52:46.680,0:52:50.830
trying to change the law that this will[br]be a our topic then expelled them with

0:52:50.830,0:52:51.949
that at a time

0:52:51.949,0:52:56.489
for the day and next week we received[br]the limitations of that the world white

0:52:56.489,0:53:01.799
it failed in vietnam also discuss what's[br]wrong with the liberal and conservative

0:53:01.799,0:53:06.539
interpretations in vietnam we'll see[br]what lessons we can drop couldn't he had

0:53:06.539,0:53:10.859
not experienced we also will talk about[br]some other aspects of the vietnam war of

0:53:10.859,0:53:13.169
the tet offensive for instance

0:53:13.169,0:53:16.619
but uh... the big turning point in the[br]world body revisionist historians

0:53:16.619,0:53:20.289
particularly conservative said that it[br]was an american victory

0:53:20.289,0:53:23.189
whether there was it not also talk about[br]this

0:53:23.189,0:53:26.609
fascinating phenomenon which the[br]american army

0:53:26.609,0:53:29.179
refused to fight or many elements in our[br]bed

0:53:29.179,0:53:32.569
as a matter of fact they start attacking[br]their own officers and uh... senior

0:53:32.569,0:53:34.829
enlisted people

0:53:34.829,0:53:36.969
phenomenon is

0:53:36.969,0:53:40.080
and will conclude with a discussion of[br]some of the parallels

0:53:40.080,0:53:42.839
the central america of some of the[br]failures

0:53:42.839,0:53:48.810
of u_s_ policy in central america how[br]they can be eliminated by the failures

0:53:48.810,0:53:53.140
of the policy in vietnam so that thanks[br]for coming tonight denies that he had a

0:53:53.140,0:53:56.549
nice being informative discussion i will[br]look forward

0:53:56.549,0:53:59.969
through next week

0:53:59.969,0:54:04.219
welcomed alternative use them for the[br]second or two part series

0:54:04.219,0:54:06.889
about the vietnam war

0:54:06.889,0:54:12.290
bill gibson who wrote an incredible book[br]about vietnam war called the perfect war

0:54:12.290,0:54:13.440
technol war

0:54:13.440,0:54:16.910
and his blood the perfect lloyd cutler[br]war in vietnam

0:54:16.910,0:54:21.370
was recently published by a blanket[br]monthly press and itself i was there is

0:54:21.370,0:54:25.050
an extremely good reviews it was[br]favorably reviewed in the wall street

0:54:25.050,0:54:31.020
journal curtis review described it as a[br]perceptive coach insignificant

0:54:31.020,0:54:36.260
and so far the best analysis of the main[br]of america's on the military defeat

0:54:36.260,0:54:41.980
highly recommended gloria emerson in a[br]review described the broadcast although

0:54:41.980,0:54:46.930
many valuable books on the word fifty as[br]records obtained an endurance there's no

0:54:46.930,0:54:49.359
work through the cheese but this does

0:54:49.359,0:54:52.450
because he might just say this from our[br]most comfortable

0:54:52.450,0:54:57.819
life instead delusions william gibson[br]should the honored and john stockwell

0:54:57.819,0:54:59.900
describes his broadcast

0:54:59.900,0:55:03.799
and all of my research on the subject[br]that are not going to compare with

0:55:03.799,0:55:08.089
doctor gibson's perfect war her[br]invaluable insights in the u_s_

0:55:08.089,0:55:09.310
methodology

0:55:09.310,0:55:13.969
it's hideous the results of the war[br]tonight we're going to talk about

0:55:13.969,0:55:16.059
the things we didn't cover um...

0:55:16.059,0:55:17.490
we're going to talk about tet

0:55:17.490,0:55:19.889
the importance of appetite offensive

0:55:19.889,0:55:23.099
we're going to talk about cali united[br]states army

0:55:23.099,0:55:24.959
slot and and uh...

0:55:24.959,0:55:27.949
they decide they were not a fight that[br]war anymore

0:55:27.949,0:55:32.449
we're going to have an evaluation of the[br]vietnam war how many how the people look

0:55:32.449,0:55:33.509
at it

0:55:33.509,0:55:38.249
from various aspects and will also take[br]a final okay have we learned our lessons

0:55:38.249,0:55:40.929
are we still biting fighting techno war

0:55:40.929,0:55:44.849
and central america or at least planning[br]to

0:55:44.849,0:55:48.500
what is your interpretation of at the[br]water we get involved

0:55:48.500,0:55:50.269
in vietnam

0:55:50.269,0:55:53.649
techno warming to fight wars production[br]process

0:55:53.649,0:55:57.249
the military became deeply impressed[br]with big businesses contributions of

0:55:57.249,0:55:58.809
world war two

0:55:58.809,0:56:02.219
after world war two the military can[br]decided that not only would like to

0:56:02.219,0:56:06.129
supply operations be organized to a[br]corporate alliance but that actual

0:56:06.129,0:56:09.759
conduct the warfare will be organized[br]while corporate lines

0:56:09.759,0:56:13.059
the officer quoted managers they listed[br]meeting with the workers

0:56:13.059,0:56:15.299
the product was in the body count

0:56:15.299,0:56:18.819
just is american business prided itself[br]on high technology capital-intensive

0:56:18.819,0:56:20.339
production systems

0:56:20.339,0:56:25.019
so to our military have high-technology[br]capital intensive work there

0:56:25.019,0:56:27.279
to al produced

0:56:27.279,0:56:29.779
we would kill more them and they would[br]have us

0:56:29.779,0:56:31.909
stats technolo

0:56:31.909,0:56:34.179
why was it applied in vietnam

0:56:34.179,0:56:35.219
because

0:56:35.219,0:56:38.929
after world war two in the fifties the[br]soviets had the atomic bomb they could

0:56:38.929,0:56:41.049
be in destroy our economy

0:56:41.049,0:56:45.299
aka base a pop our if we intervene[br]militarily in the work in the world

0:56:45.299,0:56:49.259
with too much force the argue clear was[br]to fight limited war

0:56:49.259,0:56:51.420
indefinitely and the third world

0:56:51.420,0:56:55.140
we will use oddly just-in-time[br]production system over there and ride to

0:56:55.140,0:56:57.639
the other side bankrupt

0:56:57.639,0:56:58.710
why vietnam

0:56:58.710,0:57:00.799
beckons saw

0:57:00.799,0:57:04.459
communism not is another cut the social[br]organization is another culture as

0:57:04.459,0:57:05.489
another

0:57:05.489,0:57:06.839
political system

0:57:06.839,0:57:11.549
but instead they saw americans it has to[br]do it in the natural

0:57:11.549,0:57:14.690
she died like in congress will support[br]it other

0:57:14.690,0:57:18.309
and alien kind of being the world was[br]divided into super tuesday acts of

0:57:18.309,0:57:19.759
people communist

0:57:19.759,0:57:21.199
and non-communist

0:57:21.199,0:57:22.429
and therefore

0:57:22.429,0:57:26.409
if i get a good credit their side our[br]side

0:57:26.409,0:57:27.429
by the time

0:57:27.429,0:57:31.539
the credit in these over to the creation[br]of late fifties we had a period limited

0:57:31.539,0:57:34.080
warrant act we had a conventional forces

0:57:34.080,0:57:36.059
ready to go by the late fifties

0:57:36.059,0:57:37.599
vietnam should be convenient

0:57:37.599,0:57:39.659
load place to test out

0:57:39.659,0:57:42.079
this new theory of warfare techno war

0:57:42.079,0:57:44.840
and a place to drive before another[br]batch

0:57:44.840,0:57:49.059
kentucky but that's not been fascinated[br]in near a book about how

0:57:49.059,0:57:52.299
a major part of the u_s_ supported a[br]certain part

0:57:52.299,0:57:56.559
of the war was to win the hearts and[br]minds of the vietnamese through

0:57:56.559,0:58:00.819
important u_s_ commodities olympia that[br]u_s_ government actually put up the

0:58:00.819,0:58:01.709
money

0:58:01.709,0:58:06.899
to import these commodities and created[br]the whole infrastructure

0:58:06.899,0:58:11.349
and rather than win the hearts and minds[br]out of the overwhelming majority of the

0:58:11.349,0:58:15.389
vietnamese people the just created more[br]corruption in a quality you want to talk

0:58:15.389,0:58:16.589
about

0:58:16.589,0:58:21.759
that aspect of your details just hard to[br]us to realize how much money was poured

0:58:21.759,0:58:24.979
into the country and so many ways

0:58:24.979,0:58:27.339
if you're a high vietnamese

0:58:27.339,0:58:30.649
general crooner japanese government

0:58:30.649,0:58:33.319
army positions well business positions

0:58:33.319,0:58:36.710
and would most american aid was on the[br]list

0:58:36.710,0:58:40.089
for sale on the international market by[br]the time in iraq

0:58:40.089,0:58:42.029
the level of staffed

0:58:42.029,0:58:45.639
unbelievably high in the only reason you[br]decide whether to try to control with

0:58:45.639,0:58:46.809
that

0:58:46.809,0:58:50.379
the american government's issue every[br]decision

0:58:50.379,0:58:54.609
by the officer corps as the price we[br]have to pay for continuing the war

0:58:54.609,0:58:58.359
so therefore in order to get something[br]we choose the vietnamese people would

0:58:58.359,0:58:59.290
have seemed more

0:58:59.290,0:59:01.199
in more and more

0:59:01.199,0:59:04.689
and there's an element of truth in that[br]but also the greater truth was that

0:59:04.689,0:59:07.179
simply corruption became compounded

0:59:07.179,0:59:10.749
and uh... the riches became became[br]greater we're talking about

0:59:10.749,0:59:15.919
millions and millions upon hundreds of[br]millions of dollars may or even

0:59:15.919,0:59:19.139
currency manipulation currency fraud[br]wasn't gimmick

0:59:19.139,0:59:21.549
if you knew how to play the game

0:59:21.549,0:59:25.929
you could get rich simply by exchanging[br]your money from from dollars to be

0:59:25.929,0:59:30.069
esters to military scripting back again

0:59:30.069,0:59:36.439
just nothing just by playing play with[br]the rules a little bit

0:59:36.439,0:59:39.849
that you didn't

0:59:39.849,0:59:42.919
including massive inflation

0:59:42.919,0:59:47.239
admit little odd for most people got[br]worse its

0:59:47.239,0:59:50.319
what were your jobs available a few[br]people on top

0:59:50.319,0:59:54.049
were able to make money off this cluster[br]stealing the american editor of the

0:59:54.049,0:59:57.439
bottom of your jobs open for you

0:59:57.439,1:00:00.499
you can work for the american she could[br]work on the base

1:00:00.499,1:00:03.799
you could be an interpreter maybe if you[br]had minimal language skills resort

1:00:03.799,1:00:04.919
remain

1:00:04.919,1:00:05.949
hillerman

1:00:05.949,1:00:09.209
there has been set up like a half[br]million vietnamese women and gauge duke

1:00:09.209,1:00:11.629
some kind of commercial sex

1:00:11.629,1:00:15.209
prostitution massage parlors where ever[br]you want to call it which grossed of

1:00:15.209,1:00:16.309
there is hope

1:00:16.309,1:00:19.269
multilevel herb sexual marketplace

1:00:19.269,1:00:25.699
uh... threatening other drugs do drugs[br]subject huge huge caroline

1:00:25.699,1:00:29.029
importation coming from all places[br]coming from laos

1:00:29.029,1:00:32.729
and the c_i_a_ was running a warrant[br]last winter

1:00:32.729,1:00:36.289
the hills people and liberation[br]government

1:00:36.289,1:00:40.049
in order to buy it the leaders of the[br]kills people by the way ocean government

1:00:40.049,1:00:43.409
they had to acquiesce to the heroin[br]trade

1:00:43.409,1:00:47.659
tons of heroin were brought in a rare[br]america planes and limit means air force

1:00:47.659,1:00:52.929
planes we find in bangkok in other[br]places in seoul on in in in two u_s_

1:00:52.929,1:00:54.649
soldiers in vietnam

1:00:54.649,1:00:57.779
south you're going to use them in the[br]military leadership was also heavily

1:00:57.779,1:01:00.179
involved narcotics business

1:01:00.179,1:01:04.749
general and subsequent president of the[br]republic of vietnam when band to ran one

1:01:04.749,1:01:05.979
major operation

1:01:05.979,1:01:08.119
welwyn county

1:01:08.119,1:01:09.719
but i'm sure marshall

1:01:09.719,1:01:11.899
premier and vice president

1:01:11.899,1:01:14.699
ran another

1:01:14.699,1:01:16.579
for orphans what could you do

1:01:16.579,1:01:20.099
shoeshine business wasn't so i think[br]it's had to make money

1:01:20.099,1:01:23.789
on the side shining shoes was like a[br]definition

1:01:23.789,1:01:26.569
uh... going through garbage dumps

1:01:26.569,1:01:28.069
job today

1:01:28.069,1:01:33.039
dismal live in this new world in vietnam[br]not a consumer paradiso and then the

1:01:33.039,1:01:35.759
other hand you have the black market

1:01:35.759,1:01:39.849
where as you say in your book you could[br]buy a million by tank armored personnel

1:01:39.849,1:01:40.750
carriers

1:01:40.750,1:01:44.680
and of course viet cong where cabin on[br]the template themselves whenever they

1:01:44.680,1:01:47.810
need american goods they consider[br]themselves out the problem

1:01:47.810,1:01:50.230
the other aspect of the u_s_ policy

1:01:50.230,1:01:54.559
well as anti-war part of their your most[br]brilliant chapters in descriptions in

1:01:54.559,1:01:58.609
your book of the magnitude in nature of[br]the air war

1:01:58.609,1:02:03.019
and vietnam who was mentally i guess[br]directed against north vietnam

1:02:03.019,1:02:06.839
do i discussed on elements of anymore

1:02:06.839,1:02:10.539
therefore is a factory

1:02:10.539,1:02:13.060
then clearly when you look at their[br]their work

1:02:13.060,1:02:16.029
we got the biggest back we may have[br]nothing

1:02:16.029,1:02:19.949
by american reasoning you looked at me[br]shit given at the data first bombs

1:02:19.949,1:02:23.289
dropped on the market not because they[br]had such a small small industrial

1:02:23.289,1:02:25.069
apparatus

1:02:25.069,1:02:26.969
such a smoke

1:02:26.969,1:02:28.890
number of bridges and things

1:02:28.890,1:02:33.009
if you would think they would have just[br]given up

1:02:33.009,1:02:34.419
they didn't

1:02:34.419,1:02:36.109
um...

1:02:36.109,1:02:39.669
they were willing to sacrifice their[br]industrial apparatus billing to the

1:02:39.669,1:02:42.549
chips or the massive mention casualties

1:02:42.549,1:02:44.149
and indeed

1:02:44.149,1:02:46.029
contrary to american

1:02:46.029,1:02:51.129
mythology where the vietcong were simply[br]to being totally supported from

1:02:51.129,1:02:52.049
the north

1:02:52.049,1:02:53.179
rectly

1:02:53.179,1:02:56.699
eighty percent of supplies the viet cong[br]used to even have been eighty percent

1:02:56.699,1:03:01.479
supplies to india unusual raised himself[br]a small number supplies were sent out

1:03:01.479,1:03:04.859
it couldn't be stopped

1:03:04.859,1:03:07.559
no matter how hard the u_s_ bombed

1:03:07.559,1:03:11.499
no matter how hard you escalated his[br]campaigns

1:03:11.499,1:03:15.049
no matter even after the close the[br]pulitzer prize carmen distorted to

1:03:15.049,1:03:18.910
systematically bombing the railroad[br]lines between china and vietnam

1:03:18.910,1:03:20.399
he couldn't stop it

1:03:20.399,1:03:22.229
the number of supplies

1:03:22.229,1:03:23.849
wasn't that great

1:03:23.849,1:03:25.209
on that the other hand

1:03:25.209,1:03:28.869
air worded mobilizing north vietnamese[br]people

1:03:28.869,1:03:31.009
to exit considerable degree

1:03:31.009,1:03:32.019
uh...

1:03:32.019,1:03:34.869
everyone had a job of one kind or[br]another

1:03:34.869,1:03:38.779
either repairing the railroad repairing[br]the roads are taking over industry or

1:03:38.779,1:03:40.519
working in agriculture

1:03:40.519,1:03:45.259
so immobilized him consolidated that[br]society

1:03:45.259,1:03:47.639
too

1:03:47.639,1:03:51.049
terry on much like to nazi attack on[br]great britain

1:03:51.049,1:03:54.590
consolidated british morale which is[br]open on the other hand

1:03:54.590,1:03:58.580
the people you say well well obama back[br]to the stone age and we just practically

1:03:58.580,1:04:02.259
dead most people don't recognize yet

1:04:02.259,1:04:06.909
united states air force and navy drop[br]between eighteen fifty million tons of

1:04:06.909,1:04:11.619
bombs and rockets on southeast asia or[br]world war two united states dropped two

1:04:11.619,1:04:13.639
point one million tons

1:04:13.639,1:04:15.649
so the minimum s but then

1:04:15.649,1:04:19.069
it's about four times greater in world[br]war two amigos at almost eight times

1:04:19.069,1:04:20.899
greater than world war two

1:04:20.899,1:04:26.339
and u_s_ motives nineteen sixty-seven[br]report he has a party category summary

1:04:26.339,1:04:31.079
the largest category in after vehicles[br]is buildings

1:04:31.079,1:04:34.429
when you listen to the report support[br]observers on the ground with the report

1:04:34.429,1:04:37.450
is just about any modern cstaylor brick[br]structure

1:04:37.450,1:04:42.249
over to to store all but one story

1:04:42.249,1:04:45.779
because we're going to look like targets[br]unless there's a lot of those which are

1:04:45.779,1:04:49.979
just on a more hospitals a lot of more[br]schools yes book and i was bomb back the

1:04:49.979,1:04:51.809
stone age there's no doubt about that

1:04:51.809,1:04:55.299
but because they were not fighting a[br]technolo

1:04:55.299,1:04:58.199
at illegal implemented

1:04:58.199,1:05:00.829
now we saw in the previous program

1:05:00.829,1:05:03.299
where at this

1:05:03.299,1:05:06.549
uh... production assembly line type of[br]attitude

1:05:06.549,1:05:09.939
resulted in date demand for body count

1:05:09.939,1:05:12.089
or the land troops

1:05:12.089,1:05:13.669
in the air war

1:05:13.669,1:05:18.719
they also have production quotas but i'm[br]not going to organization of this

1:05:18.719,1:05:20.619
was right the unit of measurement

1:05:20.619,1:05:24.549
it's called a sortie want fight by one[br]airplane

1:05:24.549,1:05:27.219
and therefore squadrons queens

1:05:27.219,1:05:29.549
therefore it behold large units have

1:05:29.549,1:05:32.249
rates of production that they are[br]supposed to me

1:05:32.249,1:05:36.709
the navy the air force and indeed were[br]incumbent in competition with each other

1:05:36.709,1:05:39.649
to see you can quote you the most[br]productive

1:05:39.649,1:05:43.889
therefore the through the object was to[br]fly into many nations as possible

1:05:43.889,1:05:47.019
within a of finite period of time like a[br]week or a month

1:05:47.019,1:05:49.319
or whatever

1:05:49.319,1:05:54.119
so relevant and pay attention to really[br]what you were bombing or to pay

1:05:54.119,1:05:55.949
attention to

1:05:55.949,1:05:58.010
the safest way too

1:05:58.010,1:06:01.829
protect your pilots in the way to[br]minimize civilian casualties

1:06:01.829,1:06:02.919
instead

1:06:02.919,1:06:05.069
military war managers

1:06:05.069,1:06:08.129
devise ways to maximize sori rates

1:06:08.129,1:06:09.699
and consequently

1:06:09.699,1:06:12.169
entered into serious

1:06:12.169,1:06:14.359
irrational behavior

1:06:14.359,1:06:18.159
they black and grey award where u_s_[br]commander treated their own ground truth

1:06:18.159,1:06:19.329
is expendable

1:06:19.329,1:06:21.939
higher commensurate colleges expendable

1:06:21.939,1:06:24.239
they would often be center missions

1:06:24.239,1:06:27.390
alarm say looking for trucks in the[br]middle of rain storms when it's

1:06:27.390,1:06:29.009
impossible to see trucks

1:06:29.009,1:06:32.299
compiled into the ground you know you[br]can even see the ground when by thinking

1:06:32.299,1:06:33.410
about it

1:06:33.410,1:06:35.669
but that keeps the saudi rahi hai

1:06:35.669,1:06:39.790
or also say you're supposed to you know[br]which way we were given target

1:06:39.790,1:06:41.380
it is the targets crimean

1:06:41.380,1:06:44.210
but you still sing your planes up there[br]every day

1:06:44.210,1:06:47.369
five days in a robotic saxony murdered

1:06:47.369,1:06:48.589
in order so that

1:06:48.589,1:06:49.949
because that's simply

1:06:49.949,1:06:53.689
this like a factory you keep doing the[br]same retained

1:06:53.689,1:06:56.409
but we sure telegraphed punches

1:06:56.409,1:07:00.389
not all that many targets in that area[br]and i didn't take too many smarts to

1:07:00.389,1:07:02.079
figure out about

1:07:02.079,1:07:04.909
where they have forces headed

1:07:04.909,1:07:06.399
specially wen li

1:07:06.399,1:07:10.169
headed american date after a day

1:07:10.169,1:07:14.789
making them fly up to the target before[br]making a good or not go decision on the

1:07:14.789,1:07:18.309
weather that we already knew was not[br]acceptable

1:07:18.309,1:07:23.179
we turned over the target and came back[br]again the next day

1:07:23.179,1:07:25.729
to try again

1:07:25.729,1:07:28.329
but this miracle pilots does it

1:07:28.329,1:07:29.279
they died

1:07:29.279,1:07:32.699
because the vietnamese clearly[br]understood where the americans were from

1:07:32.699,1:07:37.609
flying the same pattern everyday and[br]they understood that

1:07:37.609,1:07:39.710
and then we just keep coming so

1:07:39.710,1:07:43.019
but often frequently vietnamese did was[br]simply move more and more antiaircraft

1:07:43.019,1:07:47.199
guns into an area that the americans for[br]some reason one of the bomb

1:07:47.199,1:07:48.439
in whatever happens

1:07:48.439,1:07:52.749
american pilots and that means fighting[br]uh...

1:07:52.749,1:07:56.509
violations against you pick our kids[br]surrounded by hundreds and hundreds of

1:07:56.509,1:07:58.129
any aircraft weapons

1:07:58.129,1:07:59.469
in in this way

1:07:59.469,1:08:02.839
uh... by telegraphing are both countries

1:08:02.839,1:08:06.059
uh... american pilots died

1:08:06.059,1:08:10.560
i talked with a couple of the new[br]apoplectic f_-four pilot to blame

1:08:10.560,1:08:14.630
who told me to end up with a gun at[br]recently and im before playing mission

1:08:14.630,1:08:17.658
carrying a very small bomb load

1:08:17.658,1:08:23.500
one pilot told me his goodness t_p_ was[br]so mad we risk eight guys he said

1:08:23.500,1:08:28.889
when we could have come to hold on one[br]plane risking only two people

1:08:28.889,1:08:30.959
and on the job better

1:08:30.959,1:08:36.189
well then i have scheme or why did they[br]send out four planes

1:08:36.189,1:08:39.219
the pilot said and if i know

1:08:39.219,1:08:42.229
blessed just to keep our sortie rate[br]high

1:08:42.229,1:08:47.059
but i'll tell you this if they got and[br]crime

1:08:47.059,1:08:49.969
we know what you heard about this orgy[br]business on an aircraft carrier

1:08:49.969,1:08:54.078
consolation the navy pilots who told me[br]that he could do a better job of the few

1:08:54.078,1:08:58.908
eighty six is operating in the safety of[br]darkness then with all those sky hawks

1:08:58.908,1:09:02.669
kidding around the world wide load in[br]daylight

1:09:02.669,1:09:06.939
so i wouldn't think possible appear that[br]the maybe was trying to alps or t_v_ air

1:09:06.939,1:09:07.559
force

1:09:07.559,1:09:11.029
an air force was tried on sorting the[br]navy

1:09:11.029,1:09:13.948
my guys who were flying the sorties

1:09:13.948,1:09:16.158
took a dim view of it

1:09:16.158,1:09:20.179
and we had uh... incredible story in[br]your book or

1:09:20.179,1:09:21.020
about

1:09:21.020,1:09:25.090
probably north vietnamese was actually[br]bring down the american jets with

1:09:25.090,1:09:27.359
handguns and rifles

1:09:27.359,1:09:29.710
seems unbelievable arsonists

1:09:29.710,1:09:33.120
in an advance group of american[br]standpoint it is unbelievable

1:09:33.120,1:09:36.899
in the acually c advanced technology[br]system like a jet fighter bomber needs

1:09:36.899,1:09:41.429
another advance technology like a sam[br]missile not to bring it down

1:09:41.429,1:09:43.890
and there is a lot of some interest in[br]that but

1:09:43.890,1:09:47.479
north vietnam underwent a tremendous[br]social mobilization

1:09:47.479,1:09:51.889
part of that mobilization group while[br]giving almost every one of god

1:09:51.889,1:09:56.919
me that there's still a submachine gun[br]arrive forever or light machine guns

1:09:56.919,1:10:01.960
the entire society was organizes a giant[br]in new york way any aircraft system

1:10:01.960,1:10:04.960
emmett clark really low level

1:10:04.960,1:10:07.540
vietnamese present were under[br]instructions

1:10:07.540,1:10:12.170
to simply get out in the field en masse[br]lie down and shoot up in the act to try

1:10:12.170,1:10:14.659
to provide barrage

1:10:14.659,1:10:15.770
with make

1:10:15.770,1:10:17.099
level

1:10:17.099,1:10:21.139
altitudes unsafe to american pilots and[br]it happened

1:10:21.139,1:10:22.870
curly hair but by the pilots

1:10:22.870,1:10:24.189
to report

1:10:24.189,1:10:30.110
that several remaining planes were shot[br]down an extremely low level by peasants

1:10:30.110,1:10:32.010
what this means for them

1:10:32.010,1:10:35.669
but level flight became so dangerous[br]that they had to move higher are pretty

1:10:35.669,1:10:39.099
consistently be picked up on radar

1:10:39.099,1:10:42.800
is it just depends as could shoot down[br]planes as that but they do not an air

1:10:42.800,1:10:44.260
space to americans

1:10:44.260,1:10:47.469
that made all their operations had more[br]hazardous

1:10:47.469,1:10:52.020
so social mobilization was able to[br]compensate the technological inferiority

1:10:52.020,1:10:56.020
there is another example of this uh...[br]in the whole team and trail when the

1:10:56.020,1:10:58.650
united states bill padding incredibly[br]expensive

1:10:58.650,1:11:00.920
electronic warfare area

1:11:00.920,1:11:02.499
which the uh...

1:11:02.499,1:11:03.219
they were able

1:11:03.219,1:11:04.510
which mania

1:11:04.510,1:11:08.369
uh... vietnamese in that little shins[br]were able to overcome with barry

1:11:08.369,1:11:09.269
simple tricks

1:11:09.269,1:11:13.639
the joint chiefs of staff always wanted[br]to invade north vietnam

1:11:13.639,1:11:17.999
insipid takeover handle an ipod or have[br]ground troops in laos there's a place

1:11:17.999,1:11:19.050
where

1:11:19.050,1:11:22.989
between laos and thailand between uh...[br]the south china sea in thailand

1:11:22.989,1:11:26.090
something like thirty five miles or so

1:11:26.090,1:11:27.780
for the effort is

1:11:27.780,1:11:31.860
linden visual for justice for most[br]magical line will keep before another

1:11:31.860,1:11:32.929
out rivals

1:11:32.929,1:11:35.929
bottom at the past cutting out literally

1:11:35.929,1:11:39.879
let's just uh... that was changed to[br]expensive in terms of truth lies they

1:11:39.879,1:11:42.729
stated that area with electronic sensors

1:11:42.729,1:11:46.050
listening devices sizes the pickups[br]metal

1:11:46.050,1:11:48.320
sensors of various kinds

1:11:48.320,1:11:52.100
uh... these devices internship radio[br]signals to circling it that the aircraft

1:11:52.100,1:11:57.510
intercept interest to computer banks in[br]thailand in thailand intern organized

1:11:57.510,1:11:59.760
air strikes over the trail

1:11:59.760,1:12:02.249
the two things happen

1:12:02.249,1:12:03.530
one

1:12:03.530,1:12:05.880
the sensors woody collect

1:12:05.880,1:12:08.199
uh... bags if you're in honey entries

1:12:08.199,1:12:11.599
tape recorders with cricket noises in[br]which to try to mask the movement of

1:12:11.599,1:12:12.480
trucks

1:12:12.480,1:12:15.840
you find a sensor and you could just[br]normal general knowledge is a tape of

1:12:15.840,1:12:18.130
normal general knowledge is next to it

1:12:18.130,1:12:19.239
uh...

1:12:19.239,1:12:22.570
so you master sensors in one area where[br]you actually seeing your troops in

1:12:22.570,1:12:24.929
operations on the other

1:12:24.929,1:12:28.649
and up so you get a taxing uh... you[br]world

1:12:28.649,1:12:30.519
convoy drivers truck drivers

1:12:30.519,1:12:35.449
north vietnamese had sexual zagreb aids[br]they had rocket players

1:12:35.449,1:12:37.949
a lot of this is cabanas occurring at[br]night

1:12:37.949,1:12:40.159
so the attorneys would throw out

1:12:40.159,1:12:43.090
explosives to make americans feel like

1:12:43.090,1:12:44.939
they were doing something

1:12:44.939,1:12:45.659
um...

1:12:45.659,1:12:50.719
and americans into wanted to believe[br]that they were destroying vietnamese

1:12:50.719,1:12:52.520
truck convoys y

1:12:52.520,1:12:56.269
pilots but we work on the basis of[br]productivity

1:12:56.269,1:12:59.719
their majors you lieutenant colonels[br]most of them walked before congress will

1:12:59.719,1:13:02.999
probably asylum or desperately want to[br]be brigadier general

1:13:02.999,1:13:06.280
they need to be productive

1:13:06.280,1:13:10.130
therefore they wrote their tendency is[br]to report

1:13:10.130,1:13:13.840
is high destruction of a trucks as[br]possible

1:13:13.840,1:13:17.510
and it's a big joke eventually became[br]the enemy intelligence

1:13:17.510,1:13:21.059
was that the next day when congress was[br]flights would fly along with what she

1:13:21.059,1:13:23.960
meant well they could never find the[br]truck carcasses

1:13:23.960,1:13:26.030
anywhere near the numbers

1:13:26.030,1:13:29.440
that uh... the pilots reported destroyed

1:13:29.440,1:13:33.689
so glad you began that deep in the[br]laotian jungles

1:13:33.689,1:13:34.989
the great

1:13:34.989,1:13:40.519
truck either yeah and my truck you there[br]was a monster that totally

1:13:40.519,1:13:45.030
loved dead trucks midday meal is not[br]only have to read every night

1:13:45.030,1:13:49.239
if he got up in the day the skeletons a[br]good bit drugs so that when the

1:13:49.239,1:13:51.399
reconnaissance planes came out

1:13:51.399,1:13:54.989
and in the morning there were simply be[br]no records

1:13:54.989,1:13:58.209
this is not the site and thousands[br]trucks were destroyed that never to the

1:13:58.209,1:13:59.670
extent

1:13:59.670,1:14:01.489
necessary

1:14:01.489,1:14:03.519
remember

1:14:03.519,1:14:08.550
relatively few supplies which himself by[br]american calculations

1:14:08.550,1:14:12.579
something like twelve times a day was[br]enough to support the warmest self you

1:14:12.579,1:14:16.919
can put twelve times boxer mike tractor[br]truck without any problem attachment to

1:14:16.919,1:14:18.130
spare

1:14:18.130,1:14:20.489
but even if you multiply it by figure

1:14:20.489,1:14:24.190
fifteen or twenty fold stacy equity[br]tractor trailer trucks a day

1:14:24.190,1:14:25.599
approaching the entrails

1:14:25.599,1:14:28.360
or forty pickups or whatever

1:14:28.360,1:14:32.719
that still such a small number of people[br]are very expensive air war has a hard

1:14:32.719,1:14:33.489
time

1:14:33.489,1:14:34.929
i cannot stop

1:14:34.929,1:14:36.130
that level of supply

1:14:36.130,1:14:40.360
for most of the military general because[br]that is that the war whose memoir

1:14:40.360,1:14:43.030
hewlett and documents seized by the

1:14:43.030,1:14:48.249
indicated to the u_s_ really one most of[br]the battles of the war that the u_s_

1:14:48.249,1:14:52.459
records yes light was on its way to[br]victory and in particular there's a

1:14:52.459,1:14:57.709
right wing revisionist view that the[br]u_s_ could've won the war at the time of

1:14:57.709,1:14:59.349
the cat offensive

1:14:59.349,1:15:00.949
at the u_s_ build up

1:15:00.949,1:15:05.399
of maine courtney porsche units ground[br]troops began in sixty five

1:15:05.399,1:15:07.360
by the end of sixty seven

1:15:07.360,1:15:10.199
we have someone over four hundred[br]thousand at four hundred fifty thousand

1:15:10.199,1:15:14.199
maybe in the past five hundred thousand[br]christian country

1:15:14.199,1:15:16.460
according to american records

1:15:16.460,1:15:19.739
the official records kept in the[br]pentagon and kept at military assistance

1:15:19.739,1:15:20.789
commanded nam

1:15:20.789,1:15:24.060
we just about destroyed altogether on[br]trips

1:15:24.060,1:15:26.929
they were all nearly decimated

1:15:26.929,1:15:29.820
now why was that because of weapons were[br]falsified

1:15:29.820,1:15:32.480
perhaps we begin a strike that all that[br]last time

1:15:32.480,1:15:36.799
once you move into wars production[br]process and the opposition managers

1:15:36.799,1:15:40.019
lose their students at the devotee to[br]their subordinates below answers for the

1:15:40.019,1:15:41.540
fidelity the trip

1:15:41.540,1:15:43.360
upward mobility just like

1:15:43.360,1:15:47.899
in business where maybe go up you know[br]up to the highlander is the main again

1:15:47.899,1:15:50.229
that was a letter in the military

1:15:50.229,1:15:53.120
the currency what that was to report the[br]body count

1:15:53.120,1:15:56.210
so everybody buck their body count

1:15:56.210,1:15:58.629
date body counts were routine

1:15:58.629,1:16:01.480
not that not exceptional

1:16:01.480,1:16:03.090
any trouble

1:16:03.090,1:16:06.959
they worry that the body casket getting[br]hired uses the reports went up the chain

1:16:06.959,1:16:10.340
of command a larger figures became

1:16:10.340,1:16:13.369
well the first report i would send them

1:16:13.369,1:16:17.119
was from the facts from the information[br]we collect intent was objective that it

1:16:17.119,1:16:19.400
would be if it could be

1:16:19.400,1:16:23.570
now we founded and but uh... that would[br]always come back doctored up from higher

1:16:23.570,1:16:24.580
headquarters

1:16:24.580,1:16:27.400
that was standard operating procedure

1:16:27.400,1:16:29.590
when i was repeated historian there

1:16:29.590,1:16:32.600
so the result is that the battle news

1:16:32.600,1:16:38.159
was edited and revised until it was[br]acceptable to the higher ups

1:16:38.159,1:16:42.279
hail and in order to write open relies[br]on our civil aid program such as

1:16:42.279,1:16:46.109
increasing the fifteen english classes[br]of three hundred to make it look good to

1:16:46.109,1:16:48.170
the politicians and people back home

1:16:48.170,1:16:51.520
and i've been ordered to raise the[br]figures for food distribution and uh...

1:16:51.520,1:16:54.229
refugee villages

1:16:54.229,1:16:58.869
but i've also had retired battle reports

1:16:58.869,1:17:02.060
the old meeting uh... certain facts

1:17:02.060,1:17:06.389
uh... and thereby turning in north[br]vietnam army victory over superior

1:17:06.389,1:17:08.619
american forces

1:17:08.619,1:17:11.349
into our u_s_ victory

1:17:11.349,1:17:12.679
so our paper

1:17:12.679,1:17:14.190
we had warren

1:17:14.190,1:17:15.429
but in reality

1:17:15.429,1:17:16.220
two things

1:17:16.220,1:17:19.689
fired that was part one of our victory[br]the second point was

1:17:19.689,1:17:21.379
in nineteen sixty seven

1:17:21.379,1:17:23.729
the american high command

1:17:23.729,1:17:28.050
decided that viet cong guerrillas no[br]longer existed

1:17:28.050,1:17:30.150
because

1:17:30.150,1:17:34.739
insulate the polish them on paper[br]answered because just like american

1:17:34.739,1:17:37.199
forces we don't have any part-time[br]guerrillas

1:17:37.199,1:17:38.579
are full-time guerrillas

1:17:38.579,1:17:41.969
and also to google rulers have to do to[br]have tanks to guerrillas have

1:17:41.969,1:17:43.939
helicopters to guerrillas have

1:17:43.939,1:17:46.020
uh... heavy artillery

1:17:46.020,1:17:48.449
they don't have as much hardware as we[br]did

1:17:48.449,1:17:51.749
so they are clearly a threat to american[br]units

1:17:51.749,1:17:54.980
so several hundred thousand

1:17:54.980,1:17:56.270
uh...

1:17:56.270,1:17:57.849
viet cong guerrillas

1:17:57.849,1:18:01.239
were abolished from what's called the[br]order battle

1:18:01.239,1:18:03.980
so what you would eliminate the[br]guerrillas on paper

1:18:03.980,1:18:05.449
and then you charged

1:18:05.449,1:18:08.599
so you have a hot lower total estimate

1:18:08.599,1:18:10.989
uh... enemy forces

1:18:10.989,1:18:14.949
can you have an inflated by uh...[br]estimate of how many of those you've

1:18:14.949,1:18:16.389
killed

1:18:16.389,1:18:18.079
well it worked

1:18:18.079,1:18:22.330
lyndon johnson desperately needed a[br]political victory to follow sixty seven

1:18:22.330,1:18:25.590
so he got your westward to come back and[br]say we're winning we're winning the war

1:18:25.590,1:18:28.170
student enter an interface three

1:18:28.170,1:18:31.469
and that is that we are mop up for a[br]couple of years

1:18:31.469,1:18:33.889
and what was having a reality

1:18:33.889,1:18:36.020
well reality the viet cong courses

1:18:36.020,1:18:40.620
debated the local forces had expanded[br]radically from nineteen sixty four three

1:18:40.620,1:18:43.090
late nineteen sixty seven

1:18:43.090,1:18:46.989
according to u_s_ figures they were only[br]about two hundred thousand yahoo com

1:18:46.989,1:18:51.409
but minimum c_i_a_ man started like[br]going profiles a primary figure things

1:18:51.409,1:18:55.809
he calculated about a half million with[br]understand what that means at the c_i_a_

1:18:55.809,1:18:57.770
man is doubling

1:18:57.770,1:19:00.989
hit the estimate but it seems to me they[br]don't have any idea

1:19:00.989,1:19:02.629
at how many of them are on there

1:19:02.629,1:19:06.209
but it means a double is probably the[br]highest figure he can get away with

1:19:06.209,1:19:07.639
and still

1:19:07.639,1:19:11.920
will be listened to by anyone

1:19:11.920,1:19:13.659
in reality the enemies

1:19:13.659,1:19:14.850
gaining strength

1:19:14.850,1:19:16.800
we have with the crew viet cong

1:19:16.800,1:19:17.710
we have

1:19:17.710,1:19:22.179
work at least dissipation still in fifty[br]thousand troops here being sent south in

1:19:22.179,1:19:26.559
the border zones along cambodian laotian[br]borders and in sonar showed us that the

1:19:26.559,1:19:27.030
other

1:19:27.030,1:19:30.269
satisfy co-wrote the book of the country

1:19:30.269,1:19:33.600
in the u_s_ strategic offensive failed[br]of search-and-destroy

1:19:33.600,1:19:37.249
the bombing operations had failed

1:19:37.249,1:19:40.040
in late january early february nineteen[br]sixty eight

1:19:40.040,1:19:44.760
newark the display department viet cong[br]forces attacked in mass

1:19:44.760,1:19:47.210
simultaneously for the first time

1:19:47.210,1:19:48.659
normally

1:19:48.659,1:19:49.659
they fought

1:19:49.659,1:19:51.530
they dispersed operations

1:19:51.530,1:19:54.000
they were not andrea under

1:19:54.000,1:19:59.650
that under no snow still first time in a[br]simultaneous national tax

1:19:59.650,1:20:02.449
the attack succeeded in driving

1:20:02.449,1:20:06.159
one it we needed to pass occasional our[br]audience involved in past occasional

1:20:06.159,1:20:08.239
griffin m a countryside in the cities

1:20:08.239,1:20:12.239
almost all of the vietnamese and[br]american ground force units were driven

1:20:12.239,1:20:16.320
out of the countryside back into the[br]cities

1:20:16.320,1:20:20.020
dip in the city's mayor and some viet[br]cong forces inner cities

1:20:20.020,1:20:22.159
and i've saigon way

1:20:22.159,1:20:23.560
uh... regional capitals

1:20:23.560,1:20:26.510
and we began to to battle in the cities

1:20:26.510,1:20:29.960
so what happens

1:20:29.960,1:20:32.070
after a few weeks

1:20:32.070,1:20:34.770
the viet cong withdrew from the cities

1:20:34.770,1:20:38.130
their casualties were extremely high[br]they had not anticipated that the

1:20:38.130,1:20:42.979
americans with bombing and conduct[br]artillery strikes inside the cities

1:20:42.979,1:20:44.510
uh... but they did

1:20:44.510,1:20:47.820
so i watch herself vietnam was reduced[br]to rubble

1:20:47.820,1:20:51.050
their casualties were high

1:20:51.050,1:20:55.629
the americans in sap in the meantime[br]units were gone from the countryside

1:20:55.629,1:20:57.889
uh... desertion to be a massive

1:20:57.889,1:20:59.100
and

1:20:59.100,1:21:00.610
the economy which recruit

1:21:00.610,1:21:03.780
many many many people now that they[br]would know opposing forces in the

1:21:03.780,1:21:07.179
countryside their political cadres were[br]able to surface

1:21:07.179,1:21:10.300
so they were weakened in many ways than[br]the other hand they have achieved a

1:21:10.300,1:21:11.619
decisive victory

1:21:11.619,1:21:12.849
inviting

1:21:12.849,1:21:17.049
their parents out of the countryside

1:21:17.049,1:21:18.780
what is the regiment

1:21:18.780,1:21:21.170
because american forces

1:21:21.170,1:21:23.429
were able to

1:21:23.429,1:21:28.230
kill many of the commandos in the[br]economy troops inside the cities

1:21:28.230,1:21:31.940
the americans have general westmoreland[br]court victory

1:21:31.940,1:21:32.909
uh...

1:21:32.909,1:21:35.389
of course this ignores the fact that

1:21:35.389,1:21:38.419
although he's going to the economy out[br]of the city's he himself isn't going to

1:21:38.419,1:21:41.849
have a countryside and it's made a[br]mockery out of his own previous claims

1:21:41.849,1:21:43.139
of victory

1:21:43.139,1:21:44.840
um...

1:21:44.840,1:21:47.530
also sparklers created many many people

1:21:47.530,1:21:50.150
that they were far more

1:21:50.150,1:21:53.959
and south vietnam than americans and[br]willing to admit

1:21:53.959,1:22:00.050
westmoreland and made a trip request for[br]another two hundred thousand soldiers

1:22:00.050,1:22:03.630
this week request within the city[br]analysis

1:22:03.630,1:22:05.610
were seriously what was found

1:22:05.610,1:22:08.289
was that even within the production[br]model of war if you would just come up

1:22:08.289,1:22:12.210
at the same kind of what they would[br]simply add more resources to do it

1:22:12.210,1:22:13.000
still

1:22:13.000,1:22:15.889
the viet cong around just to people in[br]this out

1:22:15.889,1:22:19.330
good fight on for another four or five[br]years at least three years

1:22:19.330,1:22:23.790
to four years and then with anymore or[br]significant looked at least dissipation

1:22:23.790,1:22:25.129
they could find on

1:22:25.129,1:22:27.030
ten to twenty years

1:22:27.030,1:22:30.840
and which he just we just could not[br]drive the other side bankrupt and you're

1:22:30.840,1:22:34.989
saying that the north vietnamese army[br]basically had participated nodded yes i

1:22:34.989,1:22:38.199
did get marketers army did not because[br]they don't care

1:22:38.199,1:22:40.219
the fact that most of the war

1:22:40.219,1:22:44.679
they were quite a minimal over you[br]consider the number of via car trips in

1:22:44.679,1:22:48.400
proportion to the number of north[br]feeling well that's true depth

1:22:48.400,1:22:51.760
up until sixty eight after sixty eight[br]they entered the war in larger numbers

1:22:51.760,1:22:52.409
sir

1:22:52.409,1:22:54.360
uh... the car were getting worse

1:22:54.360,1:22:56.079
certainly

1:22:56.079,1:22:59.429
the concern to claim your vehicle took[br]severe losses which it appeared to be

1:22:59.429,1:23:02.920
stripped the claim that they were[br]decimated indicated a spot in the claim

1:23:02.920,1:23:04.730
that the americans onecare

1:23:04.730,1:23:06.280
is false

1:23:06.280,1:23:09.290
canisters remain healthy miracle war[br]managers

1:23:09.290,1:23:13.640
cities department stated their strategy[br]was bankrupt and that there was no pac

1:23:13.640,1:23:15.690
decree

1:23:15.690,1:23:19.579
so this finally created ah...[br]religiosity time somewhere in this

1:23:19.579,1:23:21.869
period i try not to long after

1:23:21.869,1:23:23.590
with this

1:23:23.590,1:23:27.949
a break in their self delusion that[br]techno war would win every hotmail here

1:23:27.949,1:23:31.289
is a serious problem that people don't[br]understand it

1:23:31.289,1:23:33.209
american television news

1:23:33.209,1:23:37.029
began to bite from the late nineteen[br]sixty eight on began report the idea

1:23:37.029,1:23:39.020
that the war was winding down

1:23:39.020,1:23:41.589
and that we were on our way out

1:23:41.589,1:23:42.980
just not true

1:23:42.980,1:23:44.750
this is a false statement

1:23:44.750,1:23:47.889
you should never believe it's when you[br]look at the casualty figures

1:23:47.889,1:23:51.799
how many american soldiers were killed[br]from sixty-five to sixty-eight for sixty

1:23:51.799,1:23:53.290
three sixty seven

1:23:53.290,1:23:54.809
and then you take sixty eight

1:23:54.809,1:23:58.130
when you look sixty nine crew seventy[br]three

1:23:58.130,1:24:02.840
the sixty nine three seventy three just[br]about is within a couple of hundred

1:24:02.840,1:24:03.570
is high

1:24:03.570,1:24:06.329
is the number of kill

1:24:06.329,1:24:11.389
sixty doctor sixty-seven so-called week[br]search-and-destroy continued way way on

1:24:11.389,1:24:14.039
internal until

1:24:14.039,1:24:18.860
old mate seventy-one what was that then[br]they finally convinced

1:24:18.860,1:24:22.360
the u_s_ foreign policy is that was for[br]the u_s_ public

1:24:22.360,1:24:24.639
that vietnam could be one

1:24:24.639,1:24:27.010
plummeted sixty eight on

1:24:27.010,1:24:28.929
american military began to

1:24:28.929,1:24:32.139
wickham progressively more restaurants[br]and bars certainly bible eight sixty

1:24:32.139,1:24:37.060
nine seventy is inactive revolt against[br]his commanders

1:24:37.060,1:24:40.739
remembered at seventy five percent of[br]the battles in vietnam where new shit

1:24:40.739,1:24:44.860
about the enemy of the average american[br]grunge band used to have the that most

1:24:44.860,1:24:50.729
people combat troops pennies to didi[br]walking an ambitious

1:24:50.729,1:24:54.149
most mainline fairly quickly that while[br]they were walking an ambush is that

1:24:54.149,1:24:57.469
their generals were getting medals and[br]they were safe in helicopters runs on

1:24:57.469,1:24:59.139
and so forth

1:24:59.139,1:25:02.330
uh... subpoenaed to begin what's called[br]fragment ragging means

1:25:02.330,1:25:06.869
you take a fragmentation grenade and you[br]put it at your superior

1:25:06.869,1:25:10.699
whether it's a non-commissioned officer[br]arjun or a battalion or captain or

1:25:10.699,1:25:11.599
whatever

1:25:11.599,1:25:14.129
it was a way to tell higher command

1:25:14.129,1:25:15.210
not to treat

1:25:15.210,1:25:18.539
ground troops' lives frivolously that[br]they would not pursue

1:25:18.539,1:25:23.149
aggressively pursue dangers combat[br]situations

1:25:23.149,1:25:26.480
simply in order to make a visit to make[br]his superiors look good

1:25:26.480,1:25:29.530
okay let me tell you had workweek start[br]having more calls

1:25:29.530,1:25:33.270
which is like uh... dole will at[br]midnight everybody you know if it starts

1:25:33.270,1:25:37.640
open inspiring screaming books on the[br]wire books on the wiring barbed wire

1:25:37.640,1:25:38.709
fences you know

1:25:38.709,1:25:42.409
and then you try to kill any of the[br]lifers that he didn't like

1:25:42.409,1:25:46.959
so we tried to get to see all couple of[br]times machine-gun one time he was uh...

1:25:46.959,1:25:51.369
rack took nine holes his cock nine[br]bullet holes but you don't go out of it

1:25:51.369,1:25:54.949
and got away with that'd be shipment so[br]we couldn't check weapons they use your

1:25:54.949,1:25:55.979
name

1:25:55.979,1:26:00.059
so they'd be throwing grenades at the[br]wiring yelling and shopping books on my

1:26:00.059,1:26:03.859
wired brooks and they'd blow the siren[br]and then run around and have to guide to

1:26:03.859,1:26:08.869
be facing outward shooting men the other[br]half would be waiting for a wife her to

1:26:08.869,1:26:11.550
come out of his pet

1:26:11.550,1:26:14.089
yeah i've seen them

1:26:14.089,1:26:18.550
told officers executed five or six times

1:26:18.550,1:26:21.289
just put a price on his head

1:26:21.289,1:26:24.709
makes one accusing gets the money

1:26:24.709,1:26:26.979
next time he was out on a mission

1:26:26.979,1:26:30.780
that everybody knew it was good

1:26:30.780,1:26:31.599
they just wait

1:26:31.599,1:26:33.780
to humans

1:26:33.780,1:26:36.980
and the right position

1:26:36.980,1:26:40.500
and he estimates run quite high and it[br]was the official i'm accounts about six

1:26:40.500,1:26:42.829
hundred fifty faking incidents

1:26:42.829,1:26:44.499
and

1:26:44.499,1:26:47.899
real reasons to doubt that because i[br]think quite small and sure there are a

1:26:47.899,1:26:51.260
lot of network reporter all of course[br]because no no commander wants to have

1:26:51.260,1:26:54.379
when you say it's like i said my my[br]moment for a grenade at me

1:26:54.379,1:26:55.610
we'll try to shoot me

1:26:55.610,1:26:59.610
i mean how do i do a good on your record[br]either get promoted up that there is a

1:26:59.610,1:27:00.760
great leader

1:27:00.760,1:27:03.550
when you're reporting that there were[br]people are shooting at you

1:27:03.550,1:27:07.710
no i'm sure the records are not the[br]figures must be substantially higher

1:27:07.710,1:27:11.449
this totally inadequate pulls the bonnie[br]alexander contracts

1:27:11.449,1:27:15.999
her particularly unpopular officers but[br]there's also certified and felt

1:27:15.999,1:27:17.960
mutilation a-level too

1:27:17.960,1:27:21.469
people would not desperate if they were[br]just uh...

1:27:21.469,1:27:25.630
do disoriented and they were not being[br]cared for by the command of the actual

1:27:25.630,1:27:29.690
operations often while slaughter of[br]uh... innocence

1:27:29.690,1:27:32.189
suicide rates a fairly high

1:27:32.189,1:27:36.159
standing up until apartheid is one[br]payments um... cartoon book by uh...

1:27:36.159,1:27:39.659
banning tech forster

1:27:39.659,1:27:43.489
it shows a picture of a man oversold[br]regarding metal rock with his trigger

1:27:43.489,1:27:46.799
finger in the air looking for the[br]million-dollar weren't feeling like

1:27:46.799,1:27:50.469
expose this nice index finger shot off

1:27:50.469,1:27:54.340
he could get out of the worst or you[br]don't take your malaria pills

1:27:54.340,1:27:55.510
um...

1:27:55.510,1:27:57.050
we're going to do

1:27:57.050,1:28:01.290
therefore remove the kosher passionately[br]area there are many many ways out

1:28:01.290,1:28:03.360
or people shooting themselves in

1:28:03.360,1:28:07.749
the lots and lots of stories of self[br]mutilation or you do if your friend

1:28:07.749,1:28:10.449
and algebra fran decided will be twice

1:28:10.449,1:28:14.050
analytically days mission and he's had a[br]premonition of death

1:28:14.050,1:28:19.059
which is taken very very seriously all[br]combat soldiers are deeply superstitious

1:28:19.059,1:28:23.509
sometimes issued or u_s_ you could use[br]to add your friend not none of our place

1:28:23.509,1:28:25.869
but it with him enough to get them out

1:28:25.869,1:28:28.179
you described by the work its way

1:28:28.179,1:28:30.380
you cannot fight a war where people are

1:28:30.380,1:28:31.949
are you going to search you avoid

1:28:31.949,1:28:36.149
i'll tell you avoid that uh... but that[br]is a very prevalent than himself

1:28:36.149,1:28:39.169
thirteen destroyed searching the void[br]and as you do you go out and you keep

1:28:39.169,1:28:43.129
playing nuclear war you try like to go[br]out and you know smoke some dopamine

1:28:43.129,1:28:45.179
thanks radio reports or

1:28:45.179,1:28:49.730
he gently try not to engage the enemy

1:28:49.730,1:28:53.449
we talked about everyday

1:28:53.449,1:28:55.809
told the guys felt the same way

1:28:55.809,1:28:59.369
reduced more accomplishing anything

1:28:59.369,1:29:05.679
back some guys reselling depressed and[br]disgusted that he was killed themselves

1:29:05.679,1:29:08.719
some guys were taken hand grenades and

1:29:08.719,1:29:11.150
and blown themselves away

1:29:11.150,1:29:14.109
they couldn't take the strain anymore

1:29:14.109,1:29:16.710
cop who's really heavy

1:29:16.710,1:29:19.800
i don't think a lot of the stuff was[br]reported

1:29:19.800,1:29:24.099
do you guys would just kill themselves

1:29:24.099,1:29:26.110
they are made probably send

1:29:26.110,1:29:29.730
stats home with a guy who was killed or

1:29:29.730,1:29:34.260
missing-in-action

1:29:34.260,1:29:38.099
did the antiwar movement called[br]clinton's saulters

1:29:38.099,1:29:41.519
in creating a sense of what they were[br]they were doing was wrong that they

1:29:41.519,1:29:45.589
would victims that are making mistakes[br]that have impact you think that it's

1:29:45.589,1:29:49.549
going to live com coffeehouse g_i_[br]coffeehouse mimicking anti-woman try to

1:29:49.549,1:29:52.070
send a copy houses near u_s_ bases

1:29:52.070,1:29:52.959
to uh...

1:29:52.959,1:29:54.869
permit literature thanks

1:29:54.869,1:29:56.899
but obviously when you read

1:29:56.899,1:29:59.030
soldiers memoirs and novels

1:29:59.030,1:30:02.629
refusing to talk about the anti-war[br]movement very much it's not to say there

1:30:02.629,1:30:04.799
was an influence but they talk about

1:30:04.799,1:30:06.369
we hacking

1:30:06.369,1:30:08.199
to the situation of warfare

1:30:08.199,1:30:10.500
that there and the one and uh...

1:30:10.500,1:30:14.250
um... enemy in with the moral qualms and[br]moral qualms intercede on the

1:30:14.250,1:30:17.340
battlefield but one of the credentials[br]of the anti-war movement

1:30:17.340,1:30:21.099
nobody would be the last five years ago[br]i did not come in once it was

1:30:21.099,1:30:23.969
stated that the u_s_ was going to[br]withdraw eventually

1:30:23.969,1:30:26.260
that made it more difficult

1:30:26.260,1:30:29.639
there was one place in your book where[br]he said that this actually it was a

1:30:29.639,1:30:35.199
class war class warfare that was going[br]on that vitals are black soldiers

1:30:35.199,1:30:36.760
clerked for fatherhood

1:30:36.760,1:30:38.469
bragging ripple

1:30:38.469,1:30:40.550
let's remember who went to vietnam

1:30:40.550,1:30:43.639
after world war two the u_s_ military[br]decided that too many college-educated

1:30:43.639,1:30:47.949
men have been killed danger of this was[br]that it was going to hurt the scientific

1:30:47.949,1:30:51.539
base of the country decided thanks chris[br]over the country was for

1:30:51.539,1:30:54.070
we couldn't have the next generation of[br]weapons

1:30:54.070,1:30:57.159
so the idea to this deployment of the[br]college deferment

1:30:57.159,1:30:58.199
was to keep

1:30:58.199,1:31:00.679
the cool alive

1:31:00.679,1:31:04.749
what this meant was remember this is an[br]era of very few student loans very few

1:31:04.749,1:31:06.869
scholarships and so forth

1:31:06.869,1:31:10.179
it meant that the sons of the middle[br]class could go to college where the

1:31:10.179,1:31:12.689
sounds of the working class

1:31:12.689,1:31:13.729
too

1:31:13.729,1:31:15.360
the military

1:31:15.360,1:31:18.139
in the military itself

1:31:18.139,1:31:21.350
military needs vast numbers of[br]white-collar skills

1:31:21.350,1:31:24.980
so if you had any kind of like uh...[br]clerical skills like middle class people

1:31:24.980,1:31:28.880
do often do typing filing someone you[br]could ease more readily yet

1:31:28.880,1:31:32.119
uh... and unarmed combat job

1:31:32.119,1:31:36.049
what this translated into is that what[br]you study got them to the corner who is

1:31:36.049,1:31:37.290
in your infantry

1:31:37.290,1:31:39.599
units armor artillery

1:31:39.599,1:31:43.090
they were overwhelmed they were[br]disproportionately minorities in the

1:31:43.090,1:31:44.639
were white

1:31:44.639,1:31:47.510
who were whites poor urban life

1:31:47.510,1:31:49.889
so we had a a working-class

1:31:49.889,1:31:51.369
uh...

1:31:51.369,1:31:53.880
largely working-class

1:31:53.880,1:31:56.389
military combat military

1:31:56.389,1:31:58.039
whereas a more middle class

1:31:58.039,1:32:01.350
anti-war movement more middle-class[br]logistic apparatus

1:32:01.350,1:32:05.510
inherent in the military so the class[br]revolt a clash about not one cor

1:32:05.510,1:32:08.359
revolution we're not talking to voters[br]now

1:32:08.359,1:32:11.809
but it is sort of like uh... it was[br]revoked against the manager yes if not

1:32:11.809,1:32:16.369
in our interest exploded in new zealand[br]yes and yet and it certainly would among

1:32:16.369,1:32:19.989
black soldiers there do they they were[br]definitely influence but my carmen

1:32:19.989,1:32:22.599
racial consciousness and critical[br]consciousness but

1:32:22.599,1:32:23.800
prepare now

1:32:23.800,1:32:27.630
and where many of the type signs of[br]bonding signs of you know that

1:32:27.630,1:32:30.460
scanning special handshakes on so forth

1:32:30.460,1:32:34.559
i would be a value a plane that media[br]handling

1:32:34.559,1:32:37.749
the amount and and now

1:32:37.749,1:32:41.409
i've spent a lot of time looking at the[br]tapes and i have pushed closed if i

1:32:41.409,1:32:44.209
could finish my outline i was going to[br]write a book about television news

1:32:44.209,1:32:46.240
covers the water started to think well[br]what

1:32:46.240,1:32:48.610
was not on the news for me

1:32:48.610,1:32:52.850
but i saw in this country i wrote this[br]other book critic war

1:32:52.850,1:32:54.760
was on the news

1:32:54.760,1:32:58.040
is a lot of pictures and helicopters a[br]lot of pictures objects

1:32:58.040,1:33:01.000
a lot of pictures of tanks a lot of[br]hardware

1:33:01.000,1:33:06.329
and wish techno what was the major[br]representation to visual representation

1:33:06.329,1:33:09.719
along with his today that these these[br]please presentation to the people

1:33:09.719,1:33:10.580
weapons

1:33:10.580,1:33:12.199
i love my favorite

1:33:12.199,1:33:15.079
when a_b_c_ show a_b_c_ series

1:33:15.079,1:33:18.679
where at the first one outings may see[br]the battleship new jersey

1:33:18.679,1:33:21.820
that ocean new jersey just been recon[br]mission in sixty nine

1:33:21.820,1:33:25.820
and we see it here's the sixteen each[br]gun dealers is john thirty-foot balanced

1:33:25.820,1:33:28.880
at the camera looks down a guy starts[br]talking about you to two hundred

1:33:28.880,1:33:31.489
fifty-pound projectile sixty miles

1:33:31.489,1:33:34.860
had broken thirty two feet of reinforced[br]concrete amanda had at the other way at

1:33:34.860,1:33:36.289
least thirty two miles

1:33:36.289,1:33:40.289
sixty feet we push them back again if[br]the two identity or kill radius

1:33:40.289,1:33:44.749
it simply i committed a corresponding to[br]a salesperson

1:33:44.749,1:33:47.999
and i i think i should buy two more the[br]battleship new jersey analysis is

1:33:47.999,1:33:49.469
currently a m believe

1:33:49.469,1:33:52.290
and in the film patterns in other[br]correspondent

1:33:52.290,1:33:54.440
angel and uh... the bank of the river

1:33:54.440,1:33:57.879
it's about the bbc frankly offline trash[br]can

1:33:57.879,1:34:00.239
and he remember the uh... roadrunner

1:34:00.239,1:34:03.570
rockets mineral that want to cut it was[br]always getting something from acme

1:34:03.570,1:34:05.530
rocket company that i was kinda fucked[br]up

1:34:05.530,1:34:09.030
trash can on a stick with the kind of[br]like trying on top of it

1:34:09.030,1:34:10.610
exactly

1:34:10.610,1:34:14.790
what this rocket look like was obviously[br]have a homemade crude rocket

1:34:14.790,1:34:19.469
end of the contrast of subletting seems[br]like american victory so insured

1:34:19.469,1:34:22.860
because we love our technical[br]superiority court within a point out

1:34:22.860,1:34:25.950
the vehicle on the fires that rocket[br]knows exactly what he's shooting it was

1:34:25.950,1:34:27.739
a battleship new jersey

1:34:27.739,1:34:29.359
there where they may not

1:34:29.359,1:34:32.119
where it's much more fun

1:34:32.119,1:34:34.670
so that it would be pissed off people[br]sold out

1:34:34.670,1:34:38.700
people ought not to bring many dead[br]people who were very few ended they have

1:34:38.700,1:34:42.300
the death conditioners was much like a[br]warmer the elections

1:34:42.300,1:34:43.770
number will go on

1:34:43.770,1:34:46.239
three-star body count each week

1:34:46.239,1:34:47.210
which shared

1:34:47.210,1:34:50.570
we were always winning we saw one[br]village one village was born in nineteen

1:34:50.570,1:34:52.849
sixty five dash yet

1:34:52.849,1:34:55.790
and again the kind of course bonnie[br]guidance of air travel

1:34:55.790,1:35:00.300
uh... mail i appeared as its is remember[br]did not come from the news and it didn't

1:35:00.300,1:35:03.310
come from a normal networks a came from[br]a veteran who tried hard to get the

1:35:03.310,1:35:04.280
moves out

1:35:04.280,1:35:06.739
their little coverage of messages came[br]on

1:35:06.739,1:35:10.119
ordinary language of the war groups[br]slopes land bank

1:35:10.119,1:35:13.150
more american news correspondent ever[br]talked about those terms of what they

1:35:13.150,1:35:15.280
meant

1:35:15.280,1:35:19.699
it simply did not occur in status very[br]much official perspective

1:35:19.699,1:35:21.449
waco and got critical

1:35:21.449,1:35:25.270
from sixty eight on a case where you[br]would see reports

1:35:25.270,1:35:28.259
about failed technology

1:35:28.259,1:35:32.110
indication cutesy stories about tragic[br]american deaths

1:35:32.110,1:35:35.820
it was like a human interest tragedy[br]become permanent of criticism

1:35:35.820,1:35:37.969
rather than any kind of explanatory

1:35:37.969,1:35:39.819
notion of what i would not succeed

1:35:39.819,1:35:43.850
bill let's talk about a valuation of the[br]vietnam war a lot of people written

1:35:43.850,1:35:47.679
books about a historian generals and[br]etcetera

1:35:47.679,1:35:52.070
west coast image who's just come back to[br]where we start to disappoint

1:35:52.070,1:35:54.949
by nasa says the u_s_ head to get out[br]who couldn't fight

1:35:54.949,1:35:58.050
when i read it wouldn't do it in the[br]morning you could read it moved to the

1:35:58.050,1:36:02.170
air force campaigns but it was campaigns[br]have their problems to you can hold plan

1:36:02.170,1:36:03.460
with airplanes

1:36:03.460,1:36:06.900
silly money to the south vietnamese they[br]were corrupt they've just had more maybe

1:36:06.900,1:36:08.030
crap it

1:36:08.030,1:36:09.270
so we would hate it

1:36:09.270,1:36:11.979
my analysis and you know if it was[br]defeated

1:36:11.979,1:36:14.609
and that that's that's the stamp on to[br]the question is

1:36:14.609,1:36:16.929
how have the historians of a novelist

1:36:16.929,1:36:22.239
uh... so on treated this tragic of[br]american desi

1:36:22.239,1:36:24.929
the conditional path as a liberal[br]interpretation

1:36:24.929,1:36:26.570
that is it's just a strategy

1:36:26.570,1:36:30.139
it's just kind of a wrong out there[br]somewhere and lacking suspect were all

1:36:30.139,1:36:33.559
sorts of small mistakes are more[br]mimicking smallness moments later

1:36:33.559,1:36:37.849
schlesinger lovers i think it would be[br]the most famous the classical case

1:36:37.849,1:36:42.070
stanley cornell's book learning p_b_s_[br]series most recent example

1:36:42.070,1:36:45.159
the commotion presley's not an[br]explanation you know twenty years a

1:36:45.159,1:36:46.940
small mistakes doesn't explain

1:36:46.940,1:36:48.950
a war that has a very clear structure

1:36:48.950,1:36:51.419
which is my argument at the structural

1:36:51.419,1:36:56.050
contradictions about men who work there[br]and in its disillusioning failure

1:36:56.050,1:37:00.080
the second school the most prominent[br]right now is the cutest lost because a

1:37:00.080,1:37:01.969
self-imposed restraints

1:37:01.969,1:37:05.090
so bizarre experience of military term

1:37:05.090,1:37:09.810
often used in joint chiefs of staff[br]documents called for escalated air war

1:37:09.810,1:37:11.300
and vision is

1:37:11.300,1:37:15.489
gprs they should have invaded north[br]vietnam in nineteen sixty six

1:37:15.489,1:37:17.449
and taken handle an ipod

1:37:17.449,1:37:20.699
course telecom of that other one of[br]those persons who had those guns firing

1:37:20.699,1:37:22.869
again shooting against aircraft

1:37:22.869,1:37:26.769
the jet fighter pilots they were also[br]organized and prepared for invasions

1:37:26.769,1:37:30.529
argument you why do you know emission[br]factor north vietnamese didn't have any

1:37:30.529,1:37:33.260
troops himself that was one of the major[br]reasons

1:37:33.260,1:37:37.139
it wasn't that they didn't want to help[br]their comrades in their southern comment

1:37:37.139,1:37:39.269
it which which were being held back

1:37:39.269,1:37:43.710
any part of our project the home front[br]against a possible american invasion

1:37:43.710,1:37:45.560
stucco into jail

1:37:45.560,1:37:49.469
the plan for a year to fighting this[br]invasions let local militia and regional

1:37:49.469,1:37:52.820
forces fight for the first dated two[br]days

1:37:52.820,1:37:56.219
so once the americans are tired

1:37:56.219,1:37:59.159
after twenty four to forty eight hours[br]across the conduct

1:37:59.159,1:38:01.900
damen north vietnamese army waiting to[br]see

1:38:01.900,1:38:07.859
and we did this notion that the u_s_[br]could've had a successful invasion

1:38:07.859,1:38:09.520
thus far

1:38:09.520,1:38:13.699
o'neill fantasy unworthy of any kind of[br]serious consideration

1:38:13.699,1:38:17.219
and that they had been expeditionary[br]force in handling high phone we still

1:38:17.219,1:38:20.959
that would change the class structure in[br]south vietnam that would change the fact

1:38:20.959,1:38:23.969
that you had a peasant renewal in[br]atlanta that you want to do this to

1:38:23.969,1:38:27.349
wanted uh... self determination letter[br]in capital

1:38:27.349,1:38:30.280
and he warned that the whole country[br]were national unification 'cause the

1:38:30.280,1:38:32.969
whole basis of the culture was growing[br]up before debater

1:38:32.969,1:38:35.750
and that's all they don't all their[br]lives for two thousand years first

1:38:35.750,1:38:37.469
throughout the chinese to french

1:38:37.469,1:38:40.499
and now the american soldier it would[br]have changed at the self-imposed

1:38:40.499,1:38:41.750
restrain still

1:38:41.750,1:38:44.550
this fall will have we learned anything[br]fence line

1:38:44.550,1:38:47.399
we you've point out they total

1:38:47.399,1:38:51.789
corruption and self-delusion of the[br]military and the civilian leaders

1:38:51.789,1:38:53.329
throughout this

1:38:53.329,1:38:57.039
first of all thank you naked wages[br]technol war and secondly

1:38:57.039,1:39:00.919
having uh... not paying attention to[br]being realities

1:39:00.919,1:39:01.929
which like

1:39:01.929,1:39:04.449
uh... try to sleep up from the[br]intelligence

1:39:04.449,1:39:05.610
field

1:39:05.610,1:39:10.010
suppressing any intelligence that would[br]uh... contrary to the contrary to what

1:39:10.010,1:39:11.239
they wanted

1:39:11.239,1:39:12.569
on it

1:39:12.569,1:39:14.219
still in that thing

1:39:14.219,1:39:18.810
motivating n do where you probably think[br]you applying it to you

1:39:18.810,1:39:22.120
well i have a couple questions certainly[br]there was one example which has been a

1:39:22.120,1:39:22.929
tip

1:39:22.929,1:39:26.650
and we just barely took it even though[br]there was a minimum opposition most of

1:39:26.650,1:39:30.400
the u_s_ special forces command as bit[br]the dust in various operations governor

1:39:30.400,1:39:32.480
various mishaps one kind or another

1:39:32.480,1:39:33.540
also

1:39:33.540,1:39:37.190
the military's analysis is well not only[br]do we fight with one hand tied behind

1:39:37.190,1:39:41.000
our back a week or two slightly more[br]rapid escalation

1:39:41.000,1:39:44.060
so honduras has been prepared a series[br]of airfields and ports have been

1:39:44.060,1:39:45.710
prepared in honduras

1:39:45.710,1:39:49.260
in order to bring forty fifty thousand[br]troops into battle within a week

1:39:49.260,1:39:50.210
um...

1:39:50.210,1:39:52.729
they had to the subtleties fortress

1:39:52.729,1:39:55.869
and they still have million military had[br]the vision that they could probably take

1:39:55.869,1:39:59.010
when i won a few other places and a[br]couple weeks

1:39:59.010,1:40:01.199
rather than an extensive

1:40:01.199,1:40:04.289
central america war which was escalate

1:40:04.289,1:40:07.510
tremendously because the nicaraguan[br]today i have no choice except to expand

1:40:07.510,1:40:10.270
the war outside nicaragua to make the[br]battlefield bigger

1:40:10.270,1:40:13.929
the battlefields bigger than united[br]states has to disperse its troops it's

1:40:13.929,1:40:15.900
this virtues are dispersed

1:40:15.900,1:40:17.179
kit cheap decree

1:40:17.179,1:40:20.519
activated them back to vietnam but i'd[br]like to have one other thing i have not

1:40:20.519,1:40:22.189
learned a thing

1:40:22.189,1:40:24.230
with an author

1:40:24.230,1:40:28.190
most feminist anger many veterans of[br]course when you have sooo

1:40:28.190,1:40:29.670
mail

1:40:29.670,1:40:32.929
certainly don't want to see this they're[br]probably parts of the military inverse

1:40:32.929,1:40:36.169
mornin positions we don't want to see a[br]major escalation

1:40:36.169,1:40:37.939
but then we're on track

1:40:37.939,1:40:42.010
for another kind of of major[br]intervention whether or not will be

1:40:42.010,1:40:46.169
since the iran artwork crisis has[br]emerged

1:40:46.169,1:40:50.379
that may be off for a while i don't know[br]but they're certainly philippines

1:40:50.379,1:40:52.510
there's another growing insurgency there

1:40:52.510,1:40:53.639
um...

1:40:53.639,1:40:56.320
the chair of the chances for another[br]major intervention

1:40:56.320,1:40:58.449
in another series of self delusions

1:40:58.449,1:41:02.310
are very very high because the people[br]that officer corps who were successful

1:41:02.310,1:41:05.249
in vietnam or the people who were in[br]charge now

1:41:05.249,1:41:07.949
the people who would be dissonance

1:41:07.949,1:41:12.560
the to him for lieutenant colonels and[br]majors who would be the risk of repulsed

1:41:12.560,1:41:14.310
they got out

1:41:14.310,1:41:16.639
they reside most of it

1:41:16.639,1:41:21.729
ironically the arm yourself recognize[br]this nineteen seventy war college study

1:41:21.729,1:41:23.849
which indicated ah... that

1:41:23.849,1:41:27.690
there was a significant difference[br]between the ideal army values such as

1:41:27.690,1:41:32.039
honesty integrity bravery justice and[br]responsibility

1:41:32.039,1:41:37.409
and the real values which are practiced[br]by the military inorder to promote

1:41:37.409,1:41:39.449
career advancement

1:41:39.449,1:41:42.040
here is the studies conclusion

1:41:42.040,1:41:45.810
the present climate does not appear to[br]be self-correcting

1:41:45.810,1:41:49.969
the human drives for success and[br]recognition by singers

1:41:49.969,1:41:54.630
sustained if not inflamed and by the[br]system that rewards and management which

1:41:54.630,1:41:57.639
cater to media personal success

1:41:57.639,1:42:02.449
at the expense of moral and epochal[br]values

1:42:02.449,1:42:05.469
would appear to only be perpetuated

1:42:05.469,1:42:07.800
by the current environment

1:42:07.800,1:42:12.349
the fact alone that the leaders of the[br]future by those who survived and

1:42:12.349,1:42:16.139
excelled within the rules of the present[br]system

1:42:16.139,1:42:20.659
militates in part against any self[br]starting incremental return toward the

1:42:20.659,1:42:26.760
practical application of ideal army[br]values

1:42:26.760,1:42:29.489
and in the final reason and that the[br]problem of learning

1:42:29.489,1:42:32.929
is that there are cultural reasons that[br]make the american people want to believe

1:42:32.929,1:42:34.820
the self-reproach restrain school

1:42:34.820,1:42:39.440
and that is we are used to petition the[br]cowboy who comes and stays a society

1:42:39.440,1:42:40.600
against the enemies

1:42:40.600,1:42:43.379
and the power structure cannot defend[br]itself

1:42:43.379,1:42:48.039
the idea of a week authority that has to[br]be saved by a warrior shows that in many

1:42:48.039,1:42:50.530
places in american cultures in the[br]western

1:42:50.530,1:42:54.249
into detective you have the detective[br]you know is outside the law all the

1:42:54.249,1:42:58.429
super man in the nasty danger figures of[br]the twenties and thirties certainly

1:42:58.429,1:43:01.899
are able to portal criminals

1:43:01.899,1:43:04.059
legal authorities cannot

1:43:04.059,1:43:08.669
uh... but also that is that the police[br]technology cannot self-serving

1:43:08.669,1:43:11.339
embarrassed to talk to that if we have[br]enough

1:43:11.339,1:43:16.300
technological military force we can help[br]the win the war

1:43:16.300,1:43:19.409
if you have people it's hard not to[br]believe in your hardware americans don't

1:43:19.409,1:43:22.879
worry about social relations they don't[br]learn about class structure everyday in

1:43:22.879,1:43:23.820
the newspaper

1:43:23.820,1:43:26.270
or about cultural history every daily[br]newspaper

1:43:26.270,1:43:28.820
they learn about what's for sale

1:43:28.820,1:43:33.249
then part of the lesson of vietnam[br]concerning the limits of at the water

1:43:33.249,1:43:37.539
the situations in which technolo but[br]well i but it cannot achieve victory

1:43:37.539,1:43:41.589
they can destroy lenny can destroy[br]people but he can't create a government

1:43:41.589,1:43:43.149
cranky recreate a culture

1:43:43.149,1:43:45.800
it can create a society

1:43:45.800,1:43:48.550
and this is another thing we try to do[br]in vietnam

1:43:48.550,1:43:53.650
to oppose the model of the consumer[br]society are then add american-style

1:43:53.650,1:43:58.650
suppose democracy would it be elections[br]in situations where these just couldn't

1:43:58.650,1:44:01.780
work

1:44:01.780,1:44:04.729
it did work in a way you know what you[br]have people can become corrupted they

1:44:04.729,1:44:07.559
did get into their consular under some[br]things but

1:44:07.559,1:44:11.469
it just doesn't have a stable society it[br]doesn't builder

1:44:11.469,1:44:15.090
dad will people willing to die for that[br]society that was a hope i'll let you

1:44:15.090,1:44:18.570
have to be a crappy vietnamese that what[br]it looks like things we know they were

1:44:18.570,1:44:21.590
willing to go out and if insight on the[br]gap are not

1:44:21.590,1:44:24.969
biggest did they bought their tickets[br]out united states that the patrons were

1:44:24.969,1:44:27.520
divided that just collect

1:44:27.520,1:44:31.570
and jess four are getting rid of the[br]landlord to local oppressors here to

1:44:31.570,1:44:33.289
make perfect sense to them

1:44:33.289,1:44:36.949
and there's been this problem the[br]so-called vietnam syndrome which are

1:44:36.949,1:44:40.429
leaders have been complaining about all[br]these years

1:44:40.429,1:44:41.310
sensitive

1:44:41.310,1:44:43.019
there was a fitness in the land

1:44:43.019,1:44:45.649
quickly if i lost the will to fight yet

1:44:45.649,1:44:48.449
and uh... but it looks like the american

1:44:48.449,1:44:49.879
public

1:44:49.879,1:44:50.980
had a clearer

1:44:50.980,1:44:55.330
picture of what uh... the war was all[br]about them the than the leaders

1:44:55.330,1:44:58.100
but uh... acute how would you expect[br]that can do you think they were

1:44:58.100,1:45:01.429
overcoming that vietnam syndrome now so[br]that they can but i don't think the

1:45:01.429,1:45:04.960
american public ever had an idea what[br]with raw images knew something was wrong

1:45:04.960,1:45:07.260
and it wasn't getting better

1:45:07.260,1:45:11.020
contracting a leader fighting this

1:45:11.020,1:45:15.020
may be easier for people to believe the[br]self-imposed restrain school to believe

1:45:15.020,1:45:17.480
that we lost because we didn't fight[br]hard enough

1:45:17.480,1:45:21.889
um...

1:45:21.889,1:45:25.610
for the package that the package proctor[br]cultures presented here a bit of the

1:45:25.610,1:45:29.929
warrior imagery is well mined grammars[br]strong on the rise because many

1:45:29.929,1:45:34.119
classical war movies made in several[br]kind of very warm and he's made

1:45:34.119,1:45:38.030
um... it's definitely a war culture

1:45:38.030,1:45:40.699
how people go

1:45:40.699,1:45:43.629
clearly though there's there's still a[br]resistance there still a certain level

1:45:43.629,1:45:47.750
which disaster vietnam detached in at[br]least on people's memories

1:45:47.750,1:45:52.000
either merrill lynch say they'll have[br]understanding of why it failed a welder

1:45:52.000,1:45:53.830
structural reasons

1:45:53.830,1:45:56.090
there is a fear that

1:45:56.090,1:45:56.820
it will happen again