WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.000 Good afternoon my name is Dr Ubergi I'm the coordinator of the graduate programs 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:08.000 Here and counsel in psychology and psychotherapy 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.870 I want to welcome everyone, specifically our guest Dr. Lance McWilliams 00:00:13.870 --> 00:00:19.370 who is here for the third time, and Dr Kernberg that we have the great 00:00:19.370 --> 00:00:22.020 honor of hosting here at the college. 00:00:22.020 --> 00:00:24.350 I have to say that I'm actually personally 00:00:24.350 --> 00:00:26.870 moved because, as a graduate student in New York 00:00:26.870 --> 00:00:30.990 I felt very proud I had the chance to see one of your lectures. 00:00:30.990 --> 00:00:33.140 And I never thought that I would get the chance again 00:00:33.140 --> 00:00:34.920 so, [laughs] I have been very honored to have that 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:37.170 privilege for a second time. 00:00:37.170 --> 00:00:44.010 I want to invite the provost to the podium so that he can introduce our guests. 00:00:44.010 --> 00:00:46.400 Thank you, everyone for coming and enjoy the lecture 00:00:46.400 --> 00:00:52.130 [applause] 00:00:53.595 --> 00:00:57.215 Wow, this is a wonderful crowd. 00:00:57.215 --> 00:01:01.965 Welcome, to the American College of Greece Delighted to see you all. 00:01:01.965 --> 00:01:06.965 I want to welcome you on my behalf as well as our president who could not 00:01:06.965 --> 00:01:10.465 be here today due to an emergency meeting. 00:01:10.465 --> 00:01:13.905 It's always nice to have people on this campus 00:01:13.905 --> 00:01:16.805 besides, of course, our students who are here and 00:01:16.805 --> 00:01:19.735 always here and [...] here night and day I think 00:01:19.735 --> 00:01:22.485 But we're here to uh to partake in this important 00:01:22.485 --> 00:01:25.205 event because we have two distinguished people 00:01:25.205 --> 00:01:29.495 visiting us. Of course, uh, Lance McWilliams is here 00:01:29.495 --> 00:01:33.005 for the third time and we're delighted to have you, 00:01:33.005 --> 00:01:36.275 thank you. And of course Otto Kernberg 00:01:36.275 --> 00:01:40.275 Who is, of course an scholar in the field. 00:01:40.275 --> 00:01:46.185 As I was looking at the some of his background I-I noticed that we had something 00:01:46.185 --> 00:01:50.475 in common. Uh, which is that we spent, not at the 00:01:50.475 --> 00:01:52.495 same time, but at different times 00:01:52.495 --> 00:01:53.865 a number of years ago 00:01:53.865 --> 00:01:55.515 Topeka, Kansas, both of us 00:01:55.515 --> 00:01:59.155 Uh, and I had actually visited 00:01:59.155 --> 00:02:01.285 the, uh, medical clinic 00:02:01.285 --> 00:02:04.325 because I had two friends 00:02:04.325 --> 00:02:06.985 good friends, who actually were doctors there 00:02:06.985 --> 00:02:09.265 and they were a bad influence on me 00:02:09.265 --> 00:02:12.465 because they, uh, told me how to smoke cigars. 00:02:12.465 --> 00:02:14.525 Anyway. Uh, 00:02:15.115 --> 00:02:21.635 This is one of the important reasons why educational institutions exist 00:02:21.635 --> 00:02:24.285 , to add to the body of knowledge and to share 00:02:24.285 --> 00:02:30.645 knowledge. That's what we're doing this next two days tonight, next two days. 00:02:30.645 --> 00:02:34.495 Uh, you probably know much 00:02:34.495 --> 00:02:40.935 about Professor Kernberg but, uh, I should tell you that he's the 00:02:40.935 --> 00:02:43.645 director of personality disorders institute 00:02:43.645 --> 00:02:46.705 at the New York Presbyterian hospital 00:02:46.705 --> 00:02:51.185 Of course Professor Meritas, of psychiatry at Yale Medical College 00:02:51.185 --> 00:02:55.335 Cornell. And, you know I can go on and on. 00:02:55.335 --> 00:02:58.125 You are here because you know all of that 00:02:58.125 --> 00:02:59.675 We're delighted to have you. 00:02:59.675 --> 00:03:03.165 Uh, next McWilliams teaches at Rutgers University 00:03:03.165 --> 00:03:06.495 graduate school of professional psychology 00:03:06.495 --> 00:03:10.495 and has of course a practice as well in New Jersey 00:03:10.495 --> 00:03:13.885 as he told me he's originally Massachusetts, 00:03:13.885 --> 00:03:18.635 as is also renowned author and scholar. 00:03:18.635 --> 00:03:22.635 We're delighted to have you to come up and 00:03:22.635 --> 00:03:29.155 speak and introduce our honored guest. Welcome, thank you. 00:03:29.155 --> 00:03:34.275 [applause] 00:03:40.826 --> 00:03:43.806 Hello..[different language] 00:03:43.806 --> 00:03:50.386 Thank you. Um, I see many familiar faces and it's 00:03:50.386 --> 00:03:53.246 wonderful to be back 00:03:53.246 --> 00:03:55.046 Uh, here's the plan for tonight 00:03:55.046 --> 00:03:58.886 I'm going to say a few words about Dr. Kernberg. Uh, he is going 00:03:58.886 --> 00:04:02.506 to talk for about an hour, uh, then we will 00:04:02.506 --> 00:04:04.736 open it up for discussion. I find that I 00:04:04.736 --> 00:04:08.736 often learn more when I'm engaged with 00:04:08.736 --> 00:04:12.736 dialogue and that's often true with Dr. Kernberg. I've 00:04:12.736 --> 00:04:15.766 learned more from him when he has an opportunity 00:04:15.766 --> 00:04:18.106 to respond to questions and comments. 00:04:18.443 --> 00:04:23.432 Uh, what I want to say about him is that he is 00:04:23.432 --> 00:04:27.612 a great integrator, this probably has something to do 00:04:27.612 --> 00:04:30.742 with the fact that he was both European 00:04:30.742 --> 00:04:34.552 or all three, European, South American, and North 00:04:34.552 --> 00:04:37.992 American. He's got very wide interests 00:04:37.992 --> 00:04:41.992 in the science and the social sciences and especially 00:04:41.992 --> 00:04:46.272 the arts. Um, many of you know his writings 00:04:46.272 --> 00:04:48.762 but perhaps you don't know as much about 00:04:48.762 --> 00:04:51.882 his longstanding interest in supervising 00:04:51.882 --> 00:04:57.532 and engaging with creative others, whether students or colleagues. 00:04:57.532 --> 00:05:02.012 He's been tireless politically in challenging 00:05:02.012 --> 00:05:04.492 training procedures that deaden therapists' 00:05:04.492 --> 00:05:08.152 natural vitality and subdue their 00:05:08.152 --> 00:05:11.542 curiosity, and their creativity. 00:05:11.542 --> 00:05:13.552 He enjoys differences of opinion, 00:05:13.552 --> 00:05:15.612 and never takes them personally. 00:05:16.227 --> 00:05:18.437 And, he never loses the differentiation 00:05:18.437 --> 00:05:21.627 between ideas that he may not like 00:05:21.627 --> 00:05:25.317 and thinkers that he may like very much as people. 00:05:25.317 --> 00:05:31.327 So he's a very easy person to have an interesting argument with. 00:05:31.327 --> 00:05:35.607 I won't go on too long because I'm going to start embarrassing him, but one 00:05:35.607 --> 00:05:38.007 thing I do want to say is that is that unlike 00:05:38.007 --> 00:05:40.047 many important theorists, 00:05:40.047 --> 00:05:44.047 he is allergic to being idealized. 00:05:44.047 --> 00:05:49.717 Uh, my personal debt to him though is very great, and I just wanted 00:05:49.717 --> 00:05:52.097 to take this opportunity to say something 00:05:52.097 --> 00:05:55.757 about that. When I got the idea to write the diagnosis 00:05:55.757 --> 00:05:57.857 that I know many of you have read 00:05:57.857 --> 00:06:03.707 I was an unknown in the field and I went to him and he gave me 00:06:03.707 --> 00:06:06.027 of his time, he shared his lunch with me, 00:06:06.027 --> 00:06:10.367 and he encouraged me to write that book. 00:06:10.367 --> 00:06:13.507 I don't know if you remember that meeting, but 00:06:13.507 --> 00:06:15.457 it made a great deal of difference 00:06:15.457 --> 00:06:19.987 to me, and he's done that with numerous people 00:06:19.987 --> 00:06:22.187 uh, throughout the field. 00:06:22.187 --> 00:06:25.077 I also wanted to acknowledge his wife 00:06:25.077 --> 00:06:28.337 Kay Heran and his longtime colleague 00:06:28.337 --> 00:06:32.726 whom I've been pleased to know for more than 20 years. 00:06:32.726 --> 00:06:38.436 So, having said all that, I will turn the program over to Dr. Kernberg 00:06:38.436 --> 00:06:43.236 who's gonna be talking about components and functions 00:06:43.236 --> 00:06:53.686 of a normal personality, the nature of personality disorders, their overall symptyomology and underlying structure, and the relationship between 00:06:53.686 --> 00:06:57.686 neural-biological, interpsychic, and behavioral aspects 00:06:57.686 --> 00:07:01.686 of normal and pathological personality organization. 00:07:01.686 --> 00:07:11.416 [applause] 00:07:16.283 --> 00:07:20.283 Thank you, Nancy, for your kind introduction 00:07:20.283 --> 00:07:24.553 Uh, I'm impressed by the fact that I 00:07:24.553 --> 00:07:27.143 imagine that everyone speaks english here 00:07:27.143 --> 00:07:29.423 although that I assume that this college 00:07:29.423 --> 00:07:31.323 can you hear me in the last row? 00:07:31.323 --> 00:07:32.543 Yes? Okay. 00:07:32.543 --> 00:07:36.543 Um, So I would like to 00:07:36.543 --> 00:07:40.543 review with you the concept of personality- 00:07:40.565 --> 00:07:43.605 personality disorder. 00:07:43.605 --> 00:07:50.855 Um, it, um, it is a an actual issue, because, 00:07:50.855 --> 00:07:55.865 there is so much confusion about it in the field. 00:07:55.865 --> 00:07:59.865 There is so much controversy because different researchers 00:07:59.865 --> 00:08:02.465 have studied different aspects of personality. 00:08:02.465 --> 00:08:06.895 Both normal and abnormal. And each of them 00:08:06.895 --> 00:08:10.545 classifies and organizes things according to his 00:08:10.545 --> 00:08:15.845 own field. Um you have Cloniger who started 00:08:15.845 --> 00:08:21.165 affect systems and um then, classifies personality 00:08:21.165 --> 00:08:24.265 according to the predominant pathology 00:08:24.265 --> 00:08:28.265 one of the major[....] that determine 00:08:28.265 --> 00:08:32.265 major affect activation. 00:08:32.265 --> 00:08:36.265 Uh, you have um, social physiologists 00:08:36.265 --> 00:08:40.265 along with Benjamin who is interested in the 00:08:40.265 --> 00:08:46.445 social [...] aspects of personality. 00:08:46.445 --> 00:08:50.445 Organize into concepts of affiliative versus 00:08:50.445 --> 00:09:00.835 aversive or hostile behavior. Dominants and submission 00:09:00.835 --> 00:09:03.575 and that creates a structure of personality 00:09:03.575 --> 00:09:07.575 builds on the inter-personal functions of it. 00:09:07.575 --> 00:09:11.575 You have the psycho annalists who will use 00:09:11.575 --> 00:09:15.575 classifications of the bases of prodominant 00:09:15.575 --> 00:09:22.435 drive. The drive conflicts the oral, anal phallic 00:09:22.435 --> 00:09:23.930 personality structure. 00:09:23.930 --> 00:09:27.930 It's central. And then of course 00:09:27.930 --> 00:09:33.210 the Epidemiologists, who study, um, large 00:09:33.210 --> 00:09:38.850 groups of normal popluations. Make endless lists of 00:09:38.850 --> 00:09:41.789 personality traits. About 150 and submit 00:09:41.789 --> 00:09:44.539 thousands of individuals to them. And find out 00:09:44.539 --> 00:09:48.959 which one by factor, by ethic status. 00:09:48.959 --> 00:09:51.689 Group together and classify personality 00:09:51.689 --> 00:09:54.639 according to the grouping of personality 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:59.429 traits of those tests. Of those instruments. 00:09:59.429 --> 00:10:03.429 This leads to the 5 factor theory that I'm sure that everybody knows.