[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.98,0:00:23.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, I am Shekhar Kapur and welcome everybody, Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.63,0:00:28.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wherever you are in the world; welcome. We are in Mumbai Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.27,0:00:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are here to launch a set of DVDs with Sadhguru that Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.56,0:00:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I interviewed Sadhguru, called My conversations with the Mystic. Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.84,0:00:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am a film director; you may well ask why a film director is sitting here. Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.51,0:00:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that in the course of asking the right questions about cinema Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.78,0:00:56.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and storytelling and the creation of stories, ultimately there is one story that Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.26,0:01:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always refer to is the my stories are always an attempt to take Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.50,0:01:09.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to connect what is finite to the infinite because Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.71,0:01:15.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,otherwise you live in a kind of limbo of being finite with everything Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.04,0:01:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is measurable and then you look out at the sky and you say, Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.50,0:01:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, nothing is measurable, and since time thats what man has done, Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.86,0:01:30.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he has ultimately created stories as a survival kit of how he can handle that Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.25,0:01:36.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is infinite with his or her own life that seems finite. Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.23,0:01:43.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think a step in the direction of searching for that connection or that bridge Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.09,0:01:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the two is quite natural with the filmmakers. Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.27,0:01:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thats where I lead into my conversations with this incredible man Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.16,0:01:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called Sadhguru who I just happened to meet but then they say nothing really happens; Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.94,0:02:01.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything is coordinated by a series of karmas. Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.71,0:02:06.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it was my destiny and karma to meet Sadhguru a few years ago Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.29,0:02:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a place called Puerto Rico where we both at the same Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.96,0:02:17.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,same conference and I met this man that everybody was getting attracted to Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.93,0:02:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and naturally I was, so I went in we were supposed to go somewhere, Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.63,0:02:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he offered to drive me there. I think if you ever meet Sadhguru Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.76,0:02:34.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if he offers to drive you somewhere, I would highly recommend that you decline Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.17,0:02:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it will be because there is only that in which you know Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.67,0:02:41.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you trust your guru, okay? Yet when he is Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.84,0:02:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): This man is the safest driver. Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.14,0:02:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, of course you trust your guru, but when hes taken a corner Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.56,0:02:52.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at about 85 kilometers or 85 miles an hour, you kind of taenn Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.19,0:02:55.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, youre just at the crux of, Do I really trust him? Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.73,0:02:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, Will I really survive this, and then you have to convince yourself, Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.35,0:03:02.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Sadhguru, you know, he knows, you trust him, but be careful Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.90,0:03:05.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be careful of his driving and thats how I met him and Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.69,0:03:08.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that set off a great, great relationship and Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.74,0:03:12.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ive often been asked as I was today. Is Sadhguru your friend? Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.38,0:03:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I say, Yeah, hes probably one of my best friends, Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.64,0:03:23.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, is he your guru?I say, Yeah, but guru, friend, mystic, a man Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.35,0:03:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I turn to when I want to talk about those things that I know less about, Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.16,0:03:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a man whos in whose presence I feel vulnerable but it's being Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.80,0:03:41.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thats the strange thing Great relationship for me with Sadhguru Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.15,0:03:45.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is about the fact that I feel completely vulnerable and completely Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.67,0:03:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comfortable in that vulnerability. In fact theres no other relationship I have Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.56,0:03:55.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I can feel so comfortable with a great sense of being completely Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.35,0:03:58.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vulnerable and I think thats probably because Sadh Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.55,0:04:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but well talk more about that because some of these questions go that way Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.68,0:04:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what does it mean to be completely vulnerable and so vulnerable Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.08,0:04:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is the greatest power in the world is vulnerability. Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.87,0:04:14.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have four tapes here. The tapes are when we say, Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.43,0:04:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is Is Love a Chemical Hijack? I mean is it your hormones Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.40,0:04:23.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that suddenly take you across and give you a great sense of love that we say, Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.97,0:04:27.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh it's love, but its actually just hormones. And if its hormones Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.55,0:04:32.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, it probably is - what lies beyond hormones? Can love exist beyond hormones? Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.28,0:04:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can relationships exist beyond hormones? Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.60,0:04:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you would be probably surprised because each tape goes Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.64,0:04:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in from talking about hormones and love and then starts to get into Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.91,0:04:46.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost everything because everything is interconnected and it gets into Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.09,0:04:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,naturally into life and death and children and Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.36,0:04:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,theres a separate one on education, but that is also about love. Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.34,0:04:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why would it not be? Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.08,0:05:03.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have, Is Love a Chemical Hijack, Guru - a Roadmap Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.16,0:05:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where does a guru come into your life? What does a guru really lay out for you? Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.36,0:05:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why a guru? How do you find your guru? Do you need to find a guru? Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.56,0:05:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can your guru be sitting in the house next door without you realizing it? Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.40,0:05:19.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it your destiny to meet your guru? But also in very practical way Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.07,0:05:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you search for a guru, why are you searching and Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.14,0:05:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are you searching for because thats fundamental. Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.22,0:05:28.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of us are not asking the right question and thats one of the things that Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.81,0:05:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I learnt from Sadhguru is, Shekhar, youre not asking the right question. Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.59,0:05:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, is this right? Shekhar, youre not asking the right question, Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.95,0:05:38.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay no Shekhar, youre not really Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.26,0:05:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,youre too scared to ask the right question, Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.50,0:05:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I say, Yeah, Im not being vulnerable enough. Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.21,0:05:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway we will come to that. Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.96,0:05:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The third one is called, A Miracle of Life which must be a miracle, Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.34,0:05:52.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I guess if life is miracle then death must be a miracle. Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.25,0:05:54.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can one not to be a miracle against the other? Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.100,0:05:58.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is a lot of discussion on that DVD, and Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.10,0:06:02.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Education and Child Blossoming. Is education as we see it now Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.65,0:06:09.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an imposition or is it an encouragement. Where does education lie? Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.93,0:06:13.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you go to Isha Foundation, youll find an amazing, an absolutely Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.89,0:06:19.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amazing attitude towards education and the most amazing curious, wonderful, Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.06,0:06:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,joyful kids Ive ever seen in my life, but enough of me and my views Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.42,0:06:28.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we are really here to talk to Sadhguru and his views. Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.39,0:06:32.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So please may I introduce to all of you all over the world wherever you are Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.34,0:06:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Im sorry I apologize, and we both apologize for the fact Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.21,0:06:41.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our connections are not two-way right now, next time they will be, Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.19,0:06:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I will turn this over to Sadhguru and very happy to meet you, Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.70,0:06:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very happy to be here bit embarrassed because I have to ask you Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.53,0:06:55.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all these questions on behalf other people because these questions Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.39,0:07:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reverberate with me. Would you like to say a few words to Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.32,0:07:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the audience all over the world and then we can start with the questions? Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.44,0:07:10.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Like you were saying, film making is about exploring Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.86,0:07:15.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the relationship between the finite and the infinite, Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.51,0:07:22.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my work is to transport people from the finite to the infinite, to create the necessary tools, Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.57,0:07:27.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to build a necessary vehicle for them so that they can transport themselves Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.09,0:07:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the finite to the infinite. The whole spiritual process is just that. Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.84,0:07:37.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or in other words what Im saying is, whether it's filmmaking or Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.04,0:07:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cooking or anything mundane that one can do, in all those aspects Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.24,0:07:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you look deep enough it's the same journey. Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.48,0:07:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is just that in one or in certain type of activity it may be more apparent, Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.00,0:07:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if you look deep enough whether you are gardening or cooking or Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.50,0:08:03.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kicking a ball or making a film, essentially its the same thing Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.32,0:08:06.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to move from finite to the infinite. Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.30,0:08:09.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The very journey of a human being is just that; Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.67,0:08:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whoever you are right now you want to be something more. Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.66,0:08:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If that happens, you want to be something more. Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.20,0:08:18.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an endless something more which is a longing for the infinite, Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.54,0:08:21.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,finding expression in installments. Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.77,0:08:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So my work is just to help people to understand that going in installments is not going to get you to infinite. Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.42,0:08:31.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Though the direction is right, Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.94,0:08:35.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the vehicle that you are employing is too limited, it can't get you there. Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.63,0:08:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are other ways to make it. Everybody has the aspiration Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.16,0:08:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they dont have the means. So my essential work and my life is Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.76,0:08:47.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to provide them the means for their fundamental aspiration of every human being. Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.38,0:08:51.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): So I have to stop myself from just exploring because Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.05,0:08:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every time you talk to me, Sadhguru, I have another question, Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.28,0:08:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you talk to me and I have another question and I am sure like Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.20,0:09:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): It's time to transport yourself. Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.68,0:09:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Yes, transport transport because at so what youre saying is at one time Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.27,0:09:09.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to go beyond telling stories of duality and just transform myself into singularity. Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.79,0:09:12.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, Im sorry I am not going to do this because it's about your questions today Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.83,0:09:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not just about my questions, Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.76,0:09:22.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but just one more question on this. That vehicle This question of Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.08,0:09:28.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I write a story it's always a conflict between two things, Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.37,0:09:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's good or evil, man/woman, destiny/fighting your destiny, Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.00,0:09:39.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I create a conflict to solve a conflict in telling a story Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.53,0:09:45.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): See, when you make a film or write a story for that matter, Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.71,0:09:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what youre doing is, youre just taking a segment of life as you see it, Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.01,0:09:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe slightly dramatized, but youre taking a segment of life. Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.18,0:10:01.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that segment of life there is no solution, there is only conflict Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.70,0:10:06.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because every everything if you theres one way of looking at it is Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.37,0:10:11.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just about everything on this planet or anywhere in the existence is conflict. Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.61,0:10:19.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right now, earth is revolving around the sun. Sun is holding it in some ways, Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.37,0:10:28.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but earth is trying to go away. It has centrifugal force, going away, this is holding it. It's a conflict. Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.59,0:10:31.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So like this if you look at it, a plant is trying to grow; Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.70,0:10:34.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you look at it theres a tremendous conflict in the earth. Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.71,0:10:38.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a worm is eaten by an insect, an insect is eaten by a bird, a bird is eaten Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.81,0:10:42.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by an animal, an animal is eaten by something else, this is going on. Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.54,0:10:46.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is all a conflict if you look at it one way, or Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.41,0:10:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another way of looking at it is it is just harmonious, Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.11,0:10:52.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything is eating itself. Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.05,0:10:55.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The most beautiful story that comes out of the yogic lore is Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.87,0:10:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the most beautiful stories that comes out of the yogic lore is Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.22,0:11:03.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you enter any temple, at the entrance you would see a kind of a demons face Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.61,0:11:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with two hands sticking out of his mouth. This is the face of Keertimukha, Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.60,0:11:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he is called. Keertimukha means a glorious face. This was Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.04,0:11:22.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hes referred to as a demon and Shiva had trouble with somebody. Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.91,0:11:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he created a demon and said, Go, deal with this guy, Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.36,0:11:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the moment he created this demon that man fell at his feet and Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.73,0:11:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,begged for mercy. Then he said, Okay, spare him. Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.84,0:11:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then the demon said, You created me to eat this man and Im hungry. Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.49,0:11:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What am I supposed to do? So Shiva was in one of those moods, Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.08,0:11:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he said, You eat yourself, and he ate himself up. By the time Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.46,0:11:56.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shiva looked at him he had eaten himself up completely except for his hands and his face, everything was eaten up. Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.03,0:12:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only the face was left. So Shiva looked at this and said, Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.53,0:12:06.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are the most glorious face. So you must be above all gods. Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.42,0:12:10.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So every temple, before you enter, above the gods level Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.16,0:12:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you will see a face, a demons face with hands sticking out Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.51,0:12:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that is the last part that hes eating up. Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.69,0:12:23.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone who is able to consume himself is the ultimate glorious face. Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.58,0:12:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So essentially life is just that. Either youre consumed by something else, Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.60,0:12:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if you have the necessary intelligence and awareness, you consume yourself. Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.84,0:12:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you consume yourself you become a glorious face. Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.86,0:12:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you let somebody else consume you, youre just Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.10,0:12:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebodys breakfast maybe. (Laughter) Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.48,0:12:50.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. All right. Its okay Sadhguru. Im going to stop myself from asking you Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.06,0:12:54.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another question for myself and I may ask you some of the questions, Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.07,0:12:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am not sure where these questions have come from, but Im sure anybody Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.78,0:13:01.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is there will recognize the questions. His first question Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.41,0:13:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many spiritual leaders are working towards creating a peaceful world Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.60,0:13:10.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bringing down violence. What steps have you taken in that direction? Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.95,0:13:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think you can impact the leaders of the warring nations and bring Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.24,0:13:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about peace using your spiritual teachings or methods? Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.05,0:13:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): See, there are conflicts which have been hanging upon the planet for decades for the same reasons. Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.22,0:13:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Different types of conflicts have happened. Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.02,0:13:41.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The spiritual leaders or spiritual process essentially focus on Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.43,0:13:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,focuses on bringing peacefulness and blissfulness to an individual human being. Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.08,0:13:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when I say an individual human being, it does not matter who he is, Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.38,0:13:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether he is a leader of a nation or a business leader or a Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.92,0:14:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just a man on the street or whatever it is, it works for every human being. Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.24,0:14:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So definitely spiritual process has to touch everybody, particularly people Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.40,0:14:12.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are in positions of responsibility and power Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.01,0:14:15.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they can make a huge difference for lots of people because they Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.93,0:14:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When youre a leader When youre a leader of a nation or Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.96,0:14:25.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even these days large businesses, every thought, every emotion, every action Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.75,0:14:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you generate is impacting millions of people. Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.34,0:14:32.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just the very thought that you generate is impacting people in Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.07,0:14:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so many different ways. Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.12,0:14:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When such a responsibility has been placed in your hands Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.66,0:14:42.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's extremely important the leaders of nations, large business corporations, Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.38,0:14:50.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they must take these steps to ensure as to how they are within themselves, Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.07,0:14:54.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what kind of beings are they. Some work has to be done upon themselves Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.95,0:14:58.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because every thought and emotion that they generate is Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.05,0:15:01.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,impacting millions of people. When such a privilege has been given to you, Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.94,0:15:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you just think something is going to happen to million people, it's extremely important Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.96,0:15:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you conduct this privilege in a responsible manner, and Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.88,0:15:15.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can only conduct this responsibly if there is a spiritual process within you. Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.65,0:15:20.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I say a spiritual process, maybe not everybody understands what Im Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.43,0:15:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, what it means. So one way of putting it is, Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.78,0:15:27.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a certain sense of inclusiveness that youre not an exclusive entity, Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.63,0:15:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are an inclusive process and this inclusiveness if it does not arise and Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.15,0:15:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have the nec you have a certain level of power in your hands, then definitely Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.66,0:15:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will lead to various kinds of conflicts; theres no question about that. Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.68,0:15:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we have worked with millions of people, we have worked in the prisons in Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.83,0:15:50.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, it's mandatory now in all the central prisons in South India and Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.99,0:15:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are various other things we are doing to make this happen. Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.94,0:15:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Definitely we have also tried to work with very major leaders; particularly Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.11,0:16:03.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have focused upon the business leaders because 100 years ago Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.87,0:16:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you looked at this world, military leadership was the most powerful leadership. Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.00,0:16:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the last 100 years it has evolved into a situation where democratically Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.81,0:16:19.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,elected leaders, political leaders, are the most powerful people, Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.37,0:16:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that is going to change. Thats already beginning to change Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.94,0:16:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's going to change very rapidly in the next 10 to 15 years. Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.10,0:16:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You will see in the future the economic leaders are going to be the most important people. Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.89,0:16:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Seeing this, I have started working with Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.60,0:16:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,economic leaders individually on certain levels and we have definitely Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.76,0:16:42.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,made a difference in the way they make their decisions, Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.72,0:16:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way they conduct their businesses this is being done, Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.80,0:16:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this is being done very discreetly because it is not something Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.16,0:16:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that needs to be handled in public. Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.26,0:16:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Sadhguru, just one thing we didnt talk about the Outreach programs of Isha. Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.88,0:17:02.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Im not sure I will result come if theres a question thats fine Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.71,0:17:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well be answering it now, but Id like I know, I mean people are aware Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.44,0:17:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Im not sure if everybody is aware that Isha is not a religious organization. Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.68,0:17:15.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Isha is a spiritual organization but it's far more than that. Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.43,0:17:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Its educational organization coming up with different ideas Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.51,0:17:25.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but very innovative ideas on education yet conforming them to the standards Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.23,0:17:29.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that every child has to meet to get on in life. But something thats really important to me, Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.41,0:17:36.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's its an outreach program on something like Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.30,0:17:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reforestation of all of Tamil Nadu. It's a water outreach program but Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.91,0:17:46.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before I say, Id like Sadhguru to talk a little bit about that Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.47,0:17:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the volunteer work, about of Isha and all the specific work that Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.23,0:17:55.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Isha is doing to tackle some of the great problems that are facing education, Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.21,0:18:03.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,medical medicine and environment that Isha is taking on. Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.69,0:18:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): See, what I see is, right now in India, Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.71,0:18:11.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,India is sitting on a threshold of economic prosperity. Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.97,0:18:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now the question is will we sit on the threshold forever Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.11,0:18:20.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or are we going to cross it? Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.82,0:18:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Much economic boom is happening in the country Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.52,0:18:30.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unlike various other countries particularly western nations, today Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.23,0:18:35.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so much economic activity is happening, but what we need to realize is, Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.05,0:18:39.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,economic activity is happening at this level whatever percentages Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.39,0:18:43.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were talking about, 8%, 9% is happening because a large mass of people Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.57,0:18:49.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been in such depths of poverty that now whatever little happens, Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.89,0:18:54.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,percentages are showing big, but the actual quality of life of the people, Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.58,0:19:06.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a large number, is still not in any great condition. So almost 65% of India Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.15,0:19:09.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lives in the villages, and the life in the village has you cannot say Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.12,0:19:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it has improved in any great sense. Yes, of course, now they have cell phones, Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.02,0:19:18.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now they have bore wells, it has improved, you cannot say it is not improved either Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.91,0:19:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at the same time you must understand this that India is not a Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.04,0:19:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,India as people is not a helpless population. It's a hugely enterprising population. Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.84,0:19:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, some people tell me this statistic, Im not 100% sure, they say Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.80,0:19:48.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only 7% of Indians are employed; 93% are self-employed. This was in 2000; Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.91,0:19:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe that percentage is little less now. Maybe 10% is employed, Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.83,0:19:58.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,90% is self-employed. Maybe hes just selling a small heap of vegetables Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.47,0:20:06.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in street corner but hes an entrepreneur; he understands the market, he needs Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.23,0:20:08.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he knows how he has to make his own propaganda by shouting a certain thing; Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.66,0:20:10.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he knows where to place himself. He has a certain thought process Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.100,0:20:15.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I see is very, very unique; you dont see this anywhere else in the world. Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.22,0:20:18.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are such fabulous entrepreneurs. Every Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.47,0:20:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even the street kids are such wonderful entrepreneurs, you know. Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.69,0:20:27.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That entrepreneurship is just there everywhere, but it is Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.62,0:20:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not going where it should naturally go simply Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.02,0:20:35.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the agencies which should facilitate this process, Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.39,0:20:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by building the necessary infrastructure, creating things around Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.64,0:20:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are necessary for them to progress like this; more than anything Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.42,0:20:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are any number of hurdles which dont allow a person to, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.26,0:20:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be truly enterprising in this country unless you have a certain pull. Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.80,0:21:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So one aspect of what were trying to do is one thing is nourishment and health is a serious, serious problem Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.35,0:21:06.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this effort to shift from subsistence farming to cash farming Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.89,0:21:09.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When people were doing subsistence farming, Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.33,0:21:13.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you went into a village 25, 30 years ago they were in tatters, Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.69,0:21:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was no drinking water, there would be no electricity, there would be Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.98,0:21:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not a single automobile in the whole village, thats how it used to be. Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.67,0:21:23.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today if you go theres electricity, theres drinking water, Dialogue: 0,0:21:23.54,0:21:26.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody has cell phones, therere internet kiosks, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.91,0:21:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet connectivity has come to remote villages. Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.38,0:21:34.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All these things are there but one thing thats happened is Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.55,0:21:38.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at that time the individual human being a rural person means Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.34,0:21:41.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was a sturdy person. Today if you go and see, Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.39,0:21:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,60% of the male population has not even grown to its full size; Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.04,0:21:49.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his skeletal system has not grown to full size. Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.72,0:21:54.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The condition of the female population is even worse, you dont see them much, Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.10,0:21:58.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the male population you can clearly see, or in other words Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.51,0:22:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are producing a whole underdeveloped population. Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.24,0:22:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If your body is not fully developed, even your brain will not develop Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.36,0:22:12.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a substandard humanity youre producing and youre hoping Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.57,0:22:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to take the country somewhere. Unless you attend to these things Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.00,0:22:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will be very, very difficult. This This is not a pessimistic approach to the nation Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.70,0:22:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but all I am saying is when we have goals to fulfill, Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.80,0:22:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we are thinking of becoming a certain kind of economic power in the world, Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.76,0:22:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is very important the fundamentals are handled. Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.64,0:22:36.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you dont handle the fundamentals, you dont have the legs Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.81,0:22:39.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you want to go up the mountain, it's not going to work. Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.73,0:22:43.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in this context we started the Action for Rural Rejuvenation Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.16,0:22:47.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fundamentally on one level to rejuvenate the rural spirit. Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.21,0:22:53.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we started off with yoga and sports which became a huge, phenomenal movement. Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.78,0:22:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's been one of the most incredible things to watch Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.40,0:23:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because when we did this annual you know like village Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.12,0:23:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we call this Gramotsavam where all the village teams come and play Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.12,0:23:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some 814 teams 814 teams from across Tamil Nadu come and participate, Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.80,0:23:17.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all kinds of age groups. Women over 70 years of age coming and Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.81,0:23:24.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,playing ball, in public, in front of every in competitive levels. (Laughs) Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.74,0:23:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Such a thing has never happened and when this festival happened, Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.63,0:23:36.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were over 500,000 people attending and the governor of Tamil Nadu was there, Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.90,0:23:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he looked at this and said, Sadhguru, this happened only when Mahatma came. Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.38,0:23:42.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Wow! Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.81,0:23:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Because we are not paying for transportation, we are not paying for food; Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.96,0:23:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody is spending their own money. On bicycles, bullock carts, tractors, Dialogue: 0,0:23:50.80,0:23:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all kinds of transport, they are just coming by themselves. Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.96,0:24:00.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably a nonreligious, nonpolitical movement has never gathered Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.34,0:24:04.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this kind of momentum as it has right now, this whole process. Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.61,0:24:08.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So as a part of that there are many children who are first time, school-going children, Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.100,0:24:12.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is the first generation their parents have never been to school. Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.55,0:24:15.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So fundamentally aimed at them we started these Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.38,0:24:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Isha Vidhya schools which are going on wonderfully well, right now. Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.00,0:24:24.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the ecological project started because in 1998 some Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.02,0:24:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN agencies came and made a prediction that by 2025, 60% of Tamil Nadu Dialogue: 0,0:24:31.18,0:24:34.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will become a desert. I dont like any kind of predictions because Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.75,0:24:38.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you make a prediction youre only taking cold facts into account. Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.86,0:24:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are never considering what is beating in the human heart. Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.31,0:24:45.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The human aspirations are ignored and youre making predictions. Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.85,0:24:49.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I didnt like this prediction and I didnt believe it either. Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.96,0:24:53.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just drove around Tamil Nadu just to see if this is true and Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.69,0:24:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I found out it's not true. I realized that its not going to go till 2025, Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.11,0:25:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its going to happen must faster. So I thought what is thing to do. Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.23,0:25:08.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know we can complain, we can protest, we can write letters to the government. Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.18,0:25:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For whatever reasons maybe they lack the organization, Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.76,0:25:15.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe they dont have the people, maybe they dont have the resources, Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.53,0:25:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever it is for whatever reason administrations are not able to fulfill this, Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.58,0:25:26.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than protesting about it I thought it's best we give them a hand. Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.45,0:25:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After all thiss a democracy, that means you are also a participant in the government in some way. Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.88,0:25:37.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You also have a stake in the government, it's not imposed upon you, it is your choice. Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.94,0:25:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe you are making a lousy choice but its your choice. (Laughter) Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.68,0:25:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Okay. All right. Yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.92,0:25:48.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): It's our choice we are it's the governments that we have is essentially our choice. Dialogue: 0,0:25:48.95,0:25:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have made the choice, we better support them for five years Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.17,0:25:55.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than pulling them down all the time. Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.77,0:25:59.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we just made a I just looked at it, what is it that we can do? Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.85,0:26:05.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I realized Tamil Nadu had only 16.5% green cover. Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.12,0:26:12.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then the national aspiration is 33%. So I made a simple, barefoot calculation. Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.46,0:26:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we plant like 114 million trees in the next six to eight years time, Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.84,0:26:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in 15 years time we will have 33% green cover. So I just told the meditators, Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.20,0:26:26.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should just plant 114 million trees. Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.37,0:26:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Hundred and fourteen million? Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.00,0:26:32.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Yeah. They said, Sadhguru, do you know what that number is? Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.97,0:26:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Hmm, yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.66,0:26:41.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): They know Im poor on arithmetic. So I said, I know what the number is. Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.36,0:26:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They said, It's impossible! Who can plant 114 million trees? Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.74,0:26:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I asked them a simple question, What is Tamil Nadu population? Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.24,0:26:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They said, Sixty-two million. I said, If all of us plant one tree today, Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.56,0:26:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take care of it for two years and plant one more, we got the number. Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.92,0:27:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the difficulty? Can't you plant one tree? Even a beggar on the street Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.06,0:27:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can plant one tree. He will have an office growing for himself. Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.83,0:27:10.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.47,0:27:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): So we started this movement and it took off Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.92,0:27:19.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I spent almost six years planting trees in peoples heads; Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.77,0:27:24.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the most different terrain. Once thats been done; now it's Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.13,0:27:28.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only replanting which is happening very easily. Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.84,0:27:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think we have planted close to 14 million trees out of which about Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.38,0:27:33.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Oh really! Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.90,0:27:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Yeah. About 10 million trees or little over 10 millions trees have survived. Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.08,0:27:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The official figures say that the green cover in Tamil Nadu has gone up Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.23,0:27:46.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by 5.2% in five-and-half, six years time of work and Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.79,0:27:54.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Google maps show much more than that. So this is a tribute to the people because the spirit Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.87,0:27:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with which they have done all this is fantastic. Our work has been Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.48,0:28:02.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to raise the nurseries, organize and inspire them but essentially Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.16,0:28:05.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the ground it is them who are doing it and its them Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.09,0:28:10.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are taking care of the trees. So these are peoples movements Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.47,0:28:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we are launching so that without the participation of the people Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.04,0:28:18.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you cannot change anything here and India is a kind of nation Dialogue: 0,0:28:18.23,0:28:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you cannot change this country just by policy, you need a movement Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.04,0:28:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekapr Kapoor): Yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.08,0:28:25.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): otherwise nothing will change in this country. Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.29,0:28:32.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Right. Okay Sadhguru, Rajasthan next. Yeah? Okay, all right. Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.39,0:28:37.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Do I resemble a camel or something? (Laughter) Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.38,0:28:41.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we got a question coming - question for both speakers. Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.66,0:28:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How visual and interactive media like films and internet is impacting Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.52,0:28:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the thought process of human beings and their emotions? Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.22,0:28:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think we (can?) use it as a medium to cultivate awareness Dialogue: 0,0:28:53.23,0:28:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amongst the masses? I gonna hand this to you first, except to say Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.35,0:29:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one thing about the word masses. When we used to make films Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.24,0:29:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I used to make films in India there was all this questionnaires Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.63,0:29:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who are the masses? Because if you ask anybody, Who are you? Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.92,0:29:16.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Theyll say, Well the mass is always somebody else. Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.10,0:29:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so Ive never been able to find out who the masses are and Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.58,0:29:23.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole idea of the masses assumes that you are not the masses. Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.74,0:29:27.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): I think only the Left parties know whore the masses. Dialogue: 0,0:29:27.07,0:29:30.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): All these Left parties except the ones who run the left parties are not the masses. Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.69,0:29:34.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They know who they are, thats okay. But Sadhguru, Ill let you Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.05,0:29:40.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then Ill talk about it, about both the dangers and the idea, I mean, Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.46,0:29:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interactive media like films and internet specially is a brilliantly democratic medium. Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.48,0:29:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wish that when I started filmmaking I had the internet because Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.08,0:29:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my desire to make films was not just to make films but to express myself, and Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.76,0:30:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only express myself sitting at home but express myself in a way that Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.56,0:30:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could reach people and what better way for me to be able to express Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.25,0:30:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,myself through little film, a five minute film, through my Twitter, through my blog, Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.20,0:30:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put on a film that I shoot, put it on my blog. The time now when somebody Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.40,0:30:25.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can spend a hundred dollars, make a film, put it on the internet, put it on you tube Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.45,0:30:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get 50 million heads, I mean it's a dream, but people are doing that. Dialogue: 0,0:30:29.13,0:30:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you could start what you say in India, start a movement. Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.86,0:30:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes I wonder how wonderful it would have been if Gandhi, Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.44,0:30:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mahatma Gandhi, had mobile phones to talk on or the internet, yeah and Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.76,0:30:48.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I wonder, I said, yeah, but on the other end what if Hitler had the internet, Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.28,0:30:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, it's a double-head sword but Ill let you take that question. Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.07,0:30:54.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): I have a surprise for you. Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.27,0:30:58.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have just launched an Online Inner Engineering Program, a seven day, Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.69,0:31:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ten-hour session which is which is having such a tremendous impact on people. Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.90,0:31:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are yet to market it in a big way. The very intention of this is, Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.73,0:31:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as theyre asking the question Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.46,0:31:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See for the first time, for the very first time in the history of this planet Dialogue: 0,0:31:22.36,0:31:28.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can speak to the whole world, if you have something valuable to say and Dialogue: 0,0:31:28.02,0:31:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thats not a simple thing; thats not a simple thing. Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.94,0:31:36.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you said Mahatma Gandhi, I want you to look back further like Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.31,0:31:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Gautam Buddha or a Krishna when they wanted to communicate something Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.54,0:31:45.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they travelled from village to village by foot trying to transmit this, and Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.75,0:31:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,today you can sit here and talk to the whole world. Dialogue: 0,0:31:49.85,0:31:53.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If what youre talking makes sense to people, you are able to talk Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.51,0:31:57.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the whole world just sitting in this place and thats not a simple thing, Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.45,0:32:02.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thats a tremendous thing. Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.09,0:32:06.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So to raise human consciousness should we use it? Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.09,0:32:09.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For sure we should, theres no question about it. Dialogue: 0,0:32:09.63,0:32:13.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): I agree; I am just Im a great believer in the internet; Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.97,0:32:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Im a great believer that it is Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.39,0:32:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru); Im not a believer in the internet, Dialogue: 0,0:32:18.79,0:32:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Im a believer in Everybody should know this. Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.54,0:32:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Yeah. No, okay Im a believer in, yeah, in the medium and Dialogue: 0,0:32:25.42,0:32:29.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Im a believer that finally because the internet brings people like Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.35,0:32:33.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are doing right now, voices from all over the word together. Dialogue: 0,0:32:33.54,0:32:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A large part of the politics, I feel, I mean its political answer Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.92,0:32:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Im giving, a large part of the politics of this world survive on keeping people Dialogue: 0,0:32:44.67,0:32:49.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the jaws of ignorance and the access to the internet also takes people away, Dialogue: 0,0:32:49.72,0:32:53.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gives them a chance to come out and give them information and knowledge, Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.71,0:32:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their ability to communicate with the rest of the world and open their minds Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.68,0:33:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and discuss with the rest of the world and open themselves out to a world wisdom if you like Dialogue: 0,0:33:07.24,0:33:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fear, of course, is it could be world wisdom of Hitler, you don't know, Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.51,0:33:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at least it allows people to come out of ignorance of Dialogue: 0,0:33:15.00,0:33:19.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then even filmmakers who (would?) make Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.39,0:33:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): No, when you say this Hitler double-edged thing, Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.06,0:33:27.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you must see that it was not only him who would have done propaganda Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.07,0:33:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the internet, even the Jewish community also would have done it. Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.58,0:33:33.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Yes, thats true; thats completely right. Dialogue: 0,0:33:33.51,0:33:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): They could have spoken to the whole world what was happening to them. Dialogue: 0,0:33:37.96,0:33:43.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now they can only talk about it after it's been done. They could Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.27,0:33:45.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At that time nobody heard them. Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.40,0:33:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): No, no, completely right; like we are hearing voices from war areas right now Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.72,0:33:51.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Yes. Dialogue: 0,0:33:51.94,0:33:58.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): An individual blog will come out and WikiLeaks and yeah, Dialogue: 0,0:33:58.06,0:34:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you really want to get political. Okay, Sadhguru question to you. Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.56,0:34:06.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hooo. Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.39,0:34:09.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We see a lot of agricultural families gradually moving to cities Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.98,0:34:13.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to avoid continuous famine or for better education to the children. Dialogue: 0,0:34:13.71,0:34:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This creates an imbalance in the society in terms of economy and nature. Dialogue: 0,0:34:17.94,0:34:21.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How could we balance this together? I think this has probably come as a Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.37,0:34:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of what all you talked about the rural areas. Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.08,0:34:30.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): So this is this is a effort we are making on all levels. We are Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.73,0:34:32.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are trying to do various things. Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.95,0:34:36.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One thing is sport which has made village little vibrant. Dialogue: 0,0:34:36.89,0:34:41.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wherever the sport has come the village has become quite vibrant; village life has become vibrant. Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.86,0:34:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now for many of them their lives revolve around that one volleyball match Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.23,0:34:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thats going to happen on the Saturday evening; theres a certain sense of pride. Dialogue: 0,0:34:49.35,0:34:53.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead of Saturday evenings going to the city, theyre staying back in the village Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.47,0:34:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because their village is playing a match - this kind of things. Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.52,0:35:00.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are also trying to bring folk music back folk music and Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.07,0:35:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dance back into the village. Just a generation ago, every agricultural activity Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.46,0:35:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had music and dance with it. Even today in some parts of the country Dialogue: 0,0:35:12.26,0:35:15.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see, but mostly it is dead. All the dancing and singing is Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.90,0:35:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,done by the film stars; you you guys are doing everything. (Laughs) Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.34,0:35:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The common people are neither dancing nor singing, nor nothing. Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.88,0:35:29.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Theyre just sitting there and eating potato chips and watching you guys. Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.11,0:35:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Or just dancing to our tune. Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.53,0:35:39.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): So Because working in the field, agriculture as an activity, Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.18,0:35:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you are doing it only for economic purpose it's a heartbreaking activity. Dialogue: 0,0:35:44.14,0:35:48.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All this suicides that you are hearing of right now in the villages, Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.49,0:35:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the farmers suicides one reason is, definitely the economic reasons are there, Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.70,0:35:59.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but above all it's when you work on the field just for economic reasons,t is naturally frustrating. Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.25,0:36:01.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unless there is a bonding with the land Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.53,0:36:05.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is certain love for what youre doing, there is a certain connection Dialogue: 0,0:36:05.47,0:36:08.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the man and the soil with which he is working Dialogue: 0,0:36:08.48,0:36:12.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is what all these folk songs were trying to build, always Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.45,0:36:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was there in the tradition. Without that song, just going there, Dialogue: 0,0:36:15.97,0:36:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,morning to evening working and coming home where theres Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.12,0:36:24.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no sense of community, theres no sense of togetherness, it's a pretty bad life. Dialogue: 0,0:36:24.62,0:36:29.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So making village life worthwhile, that it's worth living in the village, Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.23,0:36:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creating the necessary hygiene, creating the necessary health atmosphere, Dialogue: 0,0:36:33.18,0:36:37.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creating necessary education facilities for the children of tomorrow and Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.74,0:36:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,above all making life in the village joyful enough, vibrant enough so that Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.52,0:36:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any vibrance means you have to go to the city street, not necessary Dialogue: 0,0:36:47.08,0:36:49.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the village itself something is happening. Dialogue: 0,0:36:49.33,0:36:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a part of this we are trying to bring folk music and dance and sport, Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.26,0:37:00.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all these things to village but still we have close to 700,000 villages in the country. Dialogue: 0,0:37:00.17,0:37:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are covering some three to four thousand villages now, Dialogue: 0,0:37:03.92,0:37:08.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but still it's a drop in the ocean. This needs to be funded, Dialogue: 0,0:37:08.06,0:37:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this needs to be activated on a major scale. Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.72,0:37:15.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to understand if we want to build a nation Dialogue: 0,0:37:15.26,0:37:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are certain fundamental things that you have to do with the people which we have never done. Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.44,0:37:23.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just building a road, just building a thing is not going to make the nation; Dialogue: 0,0:37:23.97,0:37:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to do something about the people that they must feel strongly about the nation. Dialogue: 0,0:37:28.78,0:37:32.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right now their sense of caste, creed, religion is stronger Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.25,0:37:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the idea of the nation in their mind. Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.07,0:37:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After all your nationhood is just an idea; Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.04,0:37:42.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless you reinforce that idea in individual human beings mind Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.71,0:37:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't really have a nation, you are sitting on a time bomb in many ways. Dialogue: 0,0:37:48.48,0:37:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So bringing a certain cultural integrity to the whole thing, not just playing it on the television Dialogue: 0,0:37:53.36,0:37:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but bringing it down to the street and making this happen on that level Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.24,0:38:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is what we are trying to do but people think Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.68,0:38:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we are doing is massive because were talking of a few thousand villages Dialogue: 0,0:38:05.02,0:38:08.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but compared to what needs to be done it's just a drop in the ocean. Dialogue: 0,0:38:08.75,0:38:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Yeah. Theres also in this case I was going to talk about that. Dialogue: 0,0:38:14.72,0:38:17.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somebody has telepathy? Dialogue: 0,0:38:17.01,0:38:22.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr Kapur, could you please talk about your upcoming movie, Pani (Water), and how do you think Dialogue: 0,0:38:22.70,0:38:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is going to bring actionable impact on society? Dialogue: 0,0:38:26.08,0:38:32.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My God it's kind of (a?) burden for me to make a film that has actionable impact on society Dialogue: 0,0:38:32.28,0:38:37.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but okay we will try, but right from the last question Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.01,0:38:43.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the big problems in villages in India is that water is not readily available. Dialogue: 0,0:38:43.62,0:38:49.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sixty to seventy percent of Indian agriculture relies on ground water. Dialogue: 0,0:38:49.43,0:38:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody is quite decided who the ground water belongs to and as Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.26,0:38:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more and more factories are moving into the village and urban areas are leaking in, Dialogue: 0,0:38:58.48,0:39:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have the power and the money to use more powerful pumps to take the ground water. Dialogue: 0,0:39:05.40,0:39:08.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So ground water well water is going down Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.24,0:39:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then ground water is being taken up and then Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.96,0:39:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being priced out of the village Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.43,0:39:16.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): This is a resource that I can steal from your land without coming into your land. Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.91,0:39:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Absolutely. Dialogue: 0,0:39:18.21,0:39:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Thats something people need to understand. Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.70,0:39:24.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Absolutely. But thats whats happening and so while people say, Dialogue: 0,0:39:24.99,0:39:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, water is not privatized, It is effectively privatized because it's Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.14,0:39:31.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being taken out of the ground and then because of people with more money Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.82,0:39:34.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take it out of the ground and then effectively something Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.87,0:39:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very meticulous happening is water is traveling away from the Dialogue: 0,0:39:38.40,0:39:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and water is now following not where it's needed most, but where it gets the best price. Dialogue: 0,0:39:46.16,0:39:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact water is following greed not need and as it (its?) going into the urban areas Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.82,0:39:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it gets the best price, everybody in the village, as the village dries up, Dialogue: 0,0:39:54.83,0:39:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people move into the urban areas creating huge problems of urban infrastructure. Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.76,0:40:03.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the reason Im saying is thats exactly what my film Pani is about. Dialogue: 0,0:40:03.82,0:40:04.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pani is about Dialogue: 0,0:40:04.76,0:40:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Even Mahatma Gandhi said, You can't even tax salt that comes out of water Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.28,0:40:13.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the ocean, but now we are going to a place where a bottle of water Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.71,0:40:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a liter of water costs more than a liter of milk Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.76,0:40:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sekhar Kapoor): Absolutely, completely; and so that is what Pani is about. Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.16,0:40:27.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For that question it is about a slightly slightly in the future, although Dialogue: 0,0:40:27.73,0:40:33.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I keep saying its in the future, only because I want to bring all the elements together Dialogue: 0,0:40:33.11,0:40:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but really what Im going to be talking about is happening Dialogue: 0,0:40:36.29,0:40:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in some place somewhere in the world already and it's about a time Dialogue: 0,0:40:39.88,0:40:44.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when were living in mega cities and now the water is running out in the cities Dialogue: 0,0:40:44.35,0:40:47.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the cities are divided between those that have water, Dialogue: 0,0:40:47.93,0:40:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is very few - about 15%, and the 85% of the people Dialogue: 0,0:40:51.80,0:40:54.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who dont have water and the conflict has started Dialogue: 0,0:40:54.79,0:40:57.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): It's a new description of haves and have nots. Dialogue: 0,0:40:57.59,0:41:02.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Yeah. Absolutely - Pani and no pani. And democracy is pretty simple; Dialogue: 0,0:41:02.98,0:41:07.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,democracy has become so simple that all it means is Dialogue: 0,0:41:07.69,0:41:12.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you give us votes and we will give you water. So it's the simplest form of democracy but Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.37,0:41:14.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,water is the metaphor for exploitation. Dialogue: 0,0:41:14.79,0:41:20.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the question actionable impact on the society, Dialogue: 0,0:41:20.04,0:41:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that what youre doing is an outreach program Dialogue: 0,0:41:24.34,0:41:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I as a film maker in a film can try my best to raise awareness of these issues. Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.56,0:41:33.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if I can raise awareness in people coming out of the film Dialogue: 0,0:41:33.91,0:41:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very, very interesting structure, the art of storytelling. Dialogue: 0,0:41:37.86,0:41:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most commercial films end to sublimate the emotion that they have created. Dialogue: 0,0:41:44.24,0:41:48.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So theyll create anger in you but in the end if you walk out angry, people say, Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.54,0:41:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh what's happened? Im just walking out angry, and if it's a love story Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.16,0:41:59.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then all the lovers meet but if the lovers dont meet, you come out dissatisfied. Dialogue: 0,0:41:59.47,0:42:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is an art of storytelling that on one level you bring people out satisfied Dialogue: 0,0:42:05.02,0:42:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the lovers meet; yet in my story theres an underlying thing Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.19,0:42:11.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): I dont think you should reveal the plot right now. Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.15,0:42:15.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Oh okay, all right. No plot, over. Mind you everybody walks into a film Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.43,0:42:20.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowing theres a love story and the lovers meet but thats essentially so Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.15,0:42:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you come out of the film feeling angry about the fundamental issues, Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.59,0:42:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though on a plot level it's fine. It's like youre going from A to B Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.78,0:42:36.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a very heavily trafficked road, you can get from A to B and Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.22,0:42:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thats your plot, but because the traffic is so bad you come out angry about the about the traffic you know. Dialogue: 0,0:42:41.09,0:42:43.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So theres something like that we do in plot. Dialogue: 0,0:42:43.49,0:42:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yes hopefully it's changed. Somebody said, Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.04,0:42:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is talking too much about his own film. Move on. Okay. Dialogue: 0,0:42:52.80,0:42:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sadhguru its a question to you. Everybody says, Do not go spiritual shopping. Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.38,0:43:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what that means but anyway, spiritual shopping in a mall? Dialogue: 0,0:43:02.60,0:43:06.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then I want to ask when one knows something is not working for you Dialogue: 0,0:43:06.86,0:43:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least in your own experience and try to look for another path Dialogue: 0,0:43:12.73,0:43:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's from somebody called Unorthodox, Dayton, Ohio. Unorthodox, Dialogue: 0,0:43:20.00,0:43:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spiritual shopping, looking for it in a mall; thats pretty unorthodox. Yes. Okay Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.76,0:43:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): See if the seeker has to decide whether this works for me or not Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.93,0:43:40.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he will make this decision from the wrong parameters. Dialogue: 0,0:43:40.84,0:43:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it becomes difficult for him he will quit, Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.42,0:43:52.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when he thinks he is stagnant he will quit. If we have to use a analogy it's like youre digging a well, Dialogue: 0,0:43:52.65,0:43:56.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know we are pani, you know, youre digging a well for water Dialogue: 0,0:43:56.72,0:43:59.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor):You can't talk about my film. Okay, somebodys saying no. Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.17,0:44:05.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): I was the one who stopped you from revealing the plot. Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.01,0:44:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if youre digging a well... I have I have personally been in this, Dialogue: 0,0:44:11.24,0:44:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if I have spoken to you. I actually personally got about Dialogue: 0,0:44:15.06,0:44:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,six to eight labor (labors?) together and I dug a well myself, Dialogue: 0,0:44:19.04,0:44:23.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with my own hands, I worked eight to ten hours and dug a well. Dialogue: 0,0:44:23.51,0:44:28.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I learnt to use the dynamite and I made a well and I hit water. Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.58,0:44:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Really? Dialogue: 0,0:44:30.30,0:44:35.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru) Yeah. So this was an incredible experience for me because as it went in, Dialogue: 0,0:44:35.71,0:44:40.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you sink in, after some time you just have a piece of sky and just this Dialogue: 0,0:44:40.44,0:44:45.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,six guys with me, three of us are handling crowbars, other three guys Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.26,0:44:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are filling up the earth and somebody pulls it up every time. Dialogue: 0,0:44:48.15,0:44:51.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you go up, the whole bonding of being there in that little hole Dialogue: 0,0:44:51.95,0:44:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,continuously and when you look up only that piece of sky and Dialogue: 0,0:44:55.98,0:44:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are all the guys that are there. I just worked with them for Dialogue: 0,0:44:59.22,0:45:06.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost four months digging this well, see my hands. (Laughs) Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.74,0:45:12.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when you are digging a well every day this thought will come to you, Dialogue: 0,0:45:12.47,0:45:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I hitting the wrong place? It was such a continuous process for me. Dialogue: 0,0:45:18.18,0:45:26.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Weve Weve gone to 30 feet, 35 feet, weve gone and no trace of water, Dialogue: 0,0:45:26.01,0:45:29.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are like every day, every moment youre thinking Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.68,0:45:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because your effort is involved, your money is involved and Dialogue: 0,0:45:32.66,0:45:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,above all in the village you will become a fool, okay? Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.07,0:45:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have picked up a challenging spot to hit the well and Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.22,0:45:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every time you hit your crowbar or your pickaxe youre thinking, Dialogue: 0,0:45:46.56,0:45:49.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is this the really the place, maybe? Somebody else comes and Dialogue: 0,0:45:49.79,0:45:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,says some other wise guy will come and say, Dialogue: 0,0:45:53.01,0:45:57.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are not going to hit anything here. You come there, you do that part, Dialogue: 0,0:45:57.04,0:46:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can feel it, I can feel the water gurgling there. You come and hit there. Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.40,0:46:05.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But thats on the surface, now I have to again dig. Dialogue: 0,0:46:05.99,0:46:09.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So just that thought continuously torments you when youre digging, Dialogue: 0,0:46:09.82,0:46:13.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,till you hit the water. Dialogue: 0,0:46:13.35,0:46:18.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now what I say is, first of all you have gone on a spiritual path with Dialogue: 0,0:46:18.67,0:46:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some group or some guru or whatever, cause at at one point Dialogue: 0,0:46:23.39,0:46:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you made the decision you saw the value of it. Dialogue: 0,0:46:26.75,0:46:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thats why you have invested your life there, otherwise you wouldnt. Dialogue: 0,0:46:31.12,0:46:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe so unless you are you just throw your life wherever you go, Dialogue: 0,0:46:35.84,0:46:40.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know about that but otherwise I believe because you sensed something, Dialogue: 0,0:46:40.17,0:46:44.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you tasted something, something touched you and you thought this is it and you went for it. Dialogue: 0,0:46:44.60,0:46:49.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say you persist for some more time Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.03,0:46:54.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless you find something seriously wrong with what theyre doing, okay? Dialogue: 0,0:46:54.75,0:46:58.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unless you find its something totally a hoax that you got fooled into it, Dialogue: 0,0:46:58.42,0:47:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes you have to change your decision, otherwise Dialogue: 0,0:47:01.61,0:47:04.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you dont find any change in them, they are stable, they are good Dialogue: 0,0:47:04.90,0:47:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are doing their work properly, I would suggest wherever you are, Dialogue: 0,0:47:08.86,0:47:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you continue to dig. If you keep changing your mind every other day Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.61,0:47:18.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,youll have lot of holes in your land but no well; pani will not happen. Dialogue: 0,0:47:18.100,0:47:23.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's best to persist unless you have discovered something seriously Dialogue: 0,0:47:23.30,0:47:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wrong with them. Dialogue: 0,0:47:24.94,0:47:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Yeah. I do have friends in California who do spiritual shopping. Dialogue: 0,0:47:29.32,0:47:35.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every time I go back to California and they found new society or Dialogue: 0,0:47:35.04,0:47:39.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new guru or new thing. Its like you found a new girlfriend or Dialogue: 0,0:47:39.38,0:47:43.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a new boyfriend or youve changed your house and I just and yet Dialogue: 0,0:47:43.19,0:47:46.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that theyre looking for some kind of spiritual search? Dialogue: 0,0:47:46.63,0:47:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what I I mean what is that inside them that is provoking this constant desire Dialogue: 0,0:47:53.63,0:47:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to find something new, what is that restlessness that provokes that? Dialogue: 0,0:47:58.16,0:48:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru); See, one thing is the wrong ideas about spiritual process; Dialogue: 0,0:48:03.94,0:48:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not understanding that when you are looking for something so profound Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.76,0:48:13.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need to invest a certain amount of your time, energies and life to find results. Dialogue: 0,0:48:17.78,0:48:22.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fanciful commercial books on spirituality, they read that Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.28,0:48:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some instant gratification should happen; if thats not happening Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.19,0:48:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they want to quit or it is just they dont have a mind of their own, Dialogue: 0,0:48:30.56,0:48:34.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,theyre just guided by whatever is the fashion in the local area. Dialogue: 0,0:48:34.37,0:48:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Theyre all various reasons, but essentially lack of profoundness, Dialogue: 0,0:48:37.93,0:48:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are becoming flaky in everything. Dialogue: 0,0:48:40.03,0:48:44.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Yeah, I know. I I was really cursed for this statement that Dialogue: 0,0:48:44.01,0:48:46.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I made once with somebody very important said, Dialogue: 0,0:48:46.69,0:48:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do I find peace very quickly? I said, Take a sleeping pill. Dialogue: 0,0:48:50.96,0:48:53.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is no way because the journey Dialogue: 0,0:48:53.47,0:48:56.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Even that takes an hour-and-a-half. Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.11,0:48:59.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): What? Even that takes an hour-and-a-half, right. Dialogue: 0,0:48:59.49,0:49:03.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was just because Im in my experience the journey to spirituality Dialogue: 0,0:49:03.31,0:49:07.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually goes through the path of your own demons and there is no Dialogue: 0,0:49:07.01,0:49:12.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,greater danger or theres no greater fear path than your own demons are, Dialogue: 0,0:49:12.25,0:49:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but how can you go there without actually walking through that? Dialogue: 0,0:49:17.88,0:49:21.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean thats my experience, maybe some people find it without that. Dialogue: 0,0:49:21.33,0:49:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe I have more demons than others. Dialogue: 0,0:49:23.40,0:49:26.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): It need not be so because all the demons are your making, Dialogue: 0,0:49:26.26,0:49:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can put them sleep in no time. Dialogue: 0,0:49:29.24,0:49:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor):How do I put my demons to sleep? Im sorry I have to ask you that. Dialogue: 0,0:49:33.42,0:49:34.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, how? Dialogue: 0,0:49:34.51,0:49:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Somebody is asking, Dear Shekhar Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.07,0:49:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Oh, can we just talk about demons for a second? Dialogue: 0,0:49:40.58,0:49:43.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please. I promise you Sandeep from Santiago, Im going Dialogue: 0,0:49:43.81,0:49:47.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sandeep? I think I know you. All right, Sandeep Santiago Ill come back to that, Dialogue: 0,0:49:47.95,0:49:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but let's just talk about demons. How do you put your demons to sleep? Dialogue: 0,0:49:51.64,0:49:55.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): You stop creating them. Dialogue: 0,0:49:55.55,0:49:58.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): But I have created them already. Dialogue: 0,0:49:58.22,0:50:01.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): No, no, you have to actually, see anything that Dialogue: 0,0:50:01.37,0:50:05.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is your making which is your psychological making, Dialogue: 0,0:50:05.37,0:50:08.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to actively keep them up, otherwise theyll die. Dialogue: 0,0:50:08.100,0:50:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you dont invest a certain amount of energy, theyll just die. Dialogue: 0,0:50:12.34,0:50:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you do not invest anything in their direction theyll just die Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.26,0:50:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by themselves, you dont have to kill them. Theres no need to Dialogue: 0,0:50:21.76,0:50:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no need to slay demons which are imaginary, isn't it? Dialogue: 0,0:50:26.03,0:50:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You will become a Don Quixote. Dialogue: 0,0:50:28.44,0:50:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): All right. Okay. Dialogue: 0,0:50:33.12,0:50:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dear Shekhar Kapur, youre a pro in filmmaking okay. Dialogue: 0,0:50:36.07,0:50:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Youre a pro in filmmaking and given us so many wonderful films, Dialogue: 0,0:50:39.64,0:50:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now you also have come in touch with the inner science. Dialogue: 0,0:50:42.46,0:50:47.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there a possibility for using filmmaking as a means to raise human consciousness? Dialogue: 0,0:50:47.43,0:50:54.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IYes! I dont I mean I ask this question so often; Dialogue: 0,0:50:54.99,0:51:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I dont think I need to make a film on Buddha to talk about Buddhism. Dialogue: 0,0:51:00.06,0:51:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I dont think I need to make a film on Krishna to talk about Dialogue: 0,0:51:04.85,0:51:10.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the philosophy of duality or of maya of Krishna, or Krishna-Leela. Dialogue: 0,0:51:10.37,0:51:18.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel that almost any story that you make, if there is an underlying subtext inside you Dialogue: 0,0:51:18.52,0:51:23.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a search for any kind of spirituality and youre honest Dialogue: 0,0:51:23.38,0:51:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now whether you are a filmmaker or an artist or a poet, Dialogue: 0,0:51:26.59,0:51:30.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if youre honest in what you do, that spirituality naturally touches your characters? Dialogue: 0,0:51:30.97,0:51:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): It has to find expression. Dialogue: 0,0:51:33.10,0:51:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): It has to find expression, and if it doesnt find expression youre merely Dialogue: 0,0:51:36.79,0:51:40.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making a film from an intellect, not really from the heart. Dialogue: 0,0:51:40.79,0:51:45.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And quite honestly I have found and when I made some films that have lasted Dialogue: 0,0:51:45.41,0:51:48.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,20 twenty years later people are still watching them. Dialogue: 0,0:51:48.71,0:51:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Twenty-five years later theyre still watching them. Dialogue: 0,0:51:51.47,0:51:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the only explanation I can give is that their relevance somewhere Dialogue: 0,0:51:56.01,0:52:03.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,touches something that is deeply mythic and therefore deeply spiritual Dialogue: 0,0:52:03.36,0:52:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you found in yourself at that time and therefore the audience is Dialogue: 0,0:52:07.04,0:52:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still discovering, because that doesnt change. People change, actors change, Dialogue: 0,0:52:11.04,0:52:16.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fashion change, plot change, ideas change, something that is deeply mythic Dialogue: 0,0:52:16.36,0:52:19.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and deeply spiritual does not change. So yeah, I mean, Dialogue: 0,0:52:19.71,0:52:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think films should be spiritual, they must be they should be. Dialogue: 0,0:52:28.36,0:52:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question I got Dialogue: 0,0:52:30.28,0:52:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the western world, the talk is of love and truth, that the ultimate truth is love Dialogue: 0,0:52:35.88,0:52:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that we dont have love, but rather we are love Dialogue: 0,0:52:40.11,0:52:43.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we dont have love, but rather we are love, and Dialogue: 0,0:52:43.02,0:52:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is how we connect to our purpose on the highest selves. Dialogue: 0,0:52:46.48,0:53:00.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you agree? Sadhguru - love, truth, highest selves, purpose, connect Dialogue: 0,0:53:00.41,0:53:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, Im so glad this question is for you, yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:53:04.36,0:53:17.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): See, if a society is hungry, in that society food will be the ultimate quantum, Dialogue: 0,0:53:17.29,0:53:21.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ultimate value. Dialogue: 0,0:53:21.55,0:53:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are ill, health will be the ultimate value for you. Dialogue: 0,0:53:28.65,0:53:34.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are in poverty, wealth will be the ultimate value for you. Dialogue: 0,0:53:34.33,0:53:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are deprived of love, love will be the ultimate value for you. Dialogue: 0,0:53:40.30,0:53:44.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are deprived of happiness, happiness will be the ultimate value for you. Dialogue: 0,0:53:44.53,0:53:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatever youre deprived of, at that moment you think this is the highest thing, Dialogue: 0,0:53:51.10,0:53:59.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but even if that happens people will realize, after it happens that it is not so. Dialogue: 0,0:53:59.10,0:54:03.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So right now in the western world having been through this industrial revolution, Dialogue: 0,0:54:03.36,0:54:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the first time women moving out of the house and that generation Dialogue: 0,0:54:10.53,0:54:13.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which could not today women are moving out of the house, but Dialogue: 0,0:54:13.62,0:54:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are able to make the necessary arrangements and man has probably Dialogue: 0,0:54:17.44,0:54:20.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adjusted to fill in certain gaps that she left and maybe Dialogue: 0,0:54:20.43,0:54:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things are getting little better but that generation when suddenly Dialogue: 0,0:54:23.52,0:54:28.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the changes happened, a whole generation of children went without Dialogue: 0,0:54:28.68,0:54:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much expression of love towards them, because it's a Dialogue: 0,0:54:34.79,0:54:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a flux that people were still trying to come to terms with how to handle this. Dialogue: 0,0:54:38.78,0:54:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Always it was assured the woman of the house will be there and Dialogue: 0,0:54:42.18,0:54:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shell love the children and this is it; but once that changed, Dialogue: 0,0:54:45.56,0:54:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before we could adjust to that, one generation or two generations of people Dialogue: 0,0:54:49.60,0:54:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suffered from lack of attention and lack of love and this kind of things. Dialogue: 0,0:54:53.40,0:54:57.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today various things are happening. As there is maternity leave, Dialogue: 0,0:54:57.06,0:55:00.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is paternity leave, the man will stay back and take care of the child Dialogue: 0,0:55:00.38,0:55:04.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and attitudes have changed, various things in the world have changed Dialogue: 0,0:55:04.39,0:55:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and access to various things have changed, Dialogue: 0,0:55:08.28,0:55:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,various facilities have come up in the social structure to cater to these things, otherwise that Dialogue: 0,0:55:13.92,0:55:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one or two generations in many ways were very much deprived of love. Dialogue: 0,0:55:19.33,0:55:24.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because of that I think there is so much talk about love; Dialogue: 0,0:55:24.09,0:55:29.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Im not trying to demean love. Love is a very essential ingredient in your life. Dialogue: 0,0:55:29.100,0:55:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like you to look at it this way. You are looking for pleasantness Dialogue: 0,0:55:34.40,0:55:41.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,essentially in your life. Pleasantness means, if your body becomes pleasant Dialogue: 0,0:55:41.75,0:55:47.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we normally call it health, if it becomes very pleasant it becomes pleasure. Dialogue: 0,0:55:47.90,0:55:51.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If your mind becomes pleasant we call it peace, Dialogue: 0,0:55:51.05,0:55:56.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it becomes very pleasant we call it joy. Dialogue: 0,0:55:56.26,0:55:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If your emotions become pleasant we call it love, Dialogue: 0,0:55:59.76,0:56:02.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it becomes very pleasant we call it compassion. Dialogue: 0,0:56:02.57,0:56:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If your life energies become pleasant we call this bliss, Dialogue: 0,0:56:06.71,0:56:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it becomes very pleasant we call it ecstasy. Dialogue: 0,0:56:09.18,0:56:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If your external situations become pleasant we call it success. Dialogue: 0,0:56:15.56,0:56:20.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is all the human being is looking for. So only if emotionally Dialogue: 0,0:56:20.94,0:56:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he is in a sweet place which is what love is - it's human emotions turning sweet Dialogue: 0,0:56:26.31,0:56:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either towards somebody or just like that, whichever way it happens. Dialogue: 0,0:56:30.22,0:56:34.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now just your emotions being sweet, is it enough for you? Dialogue: 0,0:56:34.99,0:56:39.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dont you need health, dont you need well-being, dont you need food, Dialogue: 0,0:56:39.38,0:56:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dont you need peacefulness, dont you need competence, dont you need capability? Dialogue: 0,0:56:42.73,0:56:47.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have lot of love and you become incompetent, Dialogue: 0,0:56:47.39,0:56:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which happens to lots of people unfortunately, Dialogue: 0,0:56:54.16,0:56:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I dont think people will enjoy that or relish that. Dialogue: 0,0:56:58.84,0:57:02.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this talk about love being the core of the universe, Dialogue: 0,0:57:02.13,0:57:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all this is simply coming from a certain state of deprivation within oneself. Dialogue: 0,0:57:09.26,0:57:12.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People who have grown up in traditional families in India, Dialogue: 0,0:57:12.88,0:57:16.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we never think of love, because we didnt have to think. Dialogue: 0,0:57:16.37,0:57:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody told us they love us. My mother never ever told me that Dialogue: 0,0:57:20.29,0:57:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she loves me nor did that question arise whether she loves me or not. Dialogue: 0,0:57:24.25,0:57:29.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did not even realize that I need to be loved because the whole atmosphere Dialogue: 0,0:57:29.22,0:57:34.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was such that there was Such a question never arose in me, Dialogue: 0,0:57:34.11,0:57:36.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do I need to be loved by somebody, Dialogue: 0,0:57:36.28,0:57:40.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they set such an atmosphere, such thoughts never came to us. Dialogue: 0,0:57:40.55,0:57:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Its just like - only if there is poverty in the house and theres not enough food, Dialogue: 0,0:57:45.73,0:57:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably you will think so much about food and how to get it. Dialogue: 0,0:57:48.79,0:57:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it's there every day you dont think about it, Dialogue: 0,0:57:51.25,0:57:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you dont think about making an arrangement for it. Dialogue: 0,0:57:53.94,0:57:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly when love is simply there all around you in every possible way, Dialogue: 0,0:57:57.84,0:58:00.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you never even thought that it is some it's a Dialogue: 0,0:58:00.73,0:58:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that has to be bought from somewhere or Dialogue: 0,0:58:03.24,0:58:05.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gotten from somewhere, you know. Dialogue: 0,0:58:05.68,0:58:10.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these things are coming from certain levels of deprivation. Dialogue: 0,0:58:10.63,0:58:16.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Love is the sweetest way to be for a human being, it's a good way to be, Dialogue: 0,0:58:16.89,0:58:20.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its a wonderful way to be, but at the same time it's not necessary Dialogue: 0,0:58:20.49,0:58:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to exaggerate this beyond limitation. Now you are talking about Dialogue: 0,0:58:24.96,0:58:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the questioner is talking about love and truth. Dialogue: 0,0:58:28.63,0:58:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what kind of truth youre talking about. Dialogue: 0,0:58:31.50,0:58:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If youre talking about the ultimate nature of the truth, it is universality, Dialogue: 0,0:58:36.87,0:58:42.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is absolute inclusiveness. Love means to love you need two. Dialogue: 0,0:58:42.10,0:58:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Youre trying to include with love, moments of inclusion will happen Dialogue: 0,0:58:46.95,0:58:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you fall apart. No lovers anywhere have found continuous Dialogue: 0,0:58:51.50,0:58:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,state of inclusiveness. Moments of inclusiveness and then falling apart, Dialogue: 0,0:58:55.56,0:58:59.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moments of inclusiveness then falling apart; this is how people experience it. Dialogue: 0,0:58:59.70,0:59:04.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So ultimate truth is absolute state of inclusiveness, which you can Dialogue: 0,0:59:04.47,0:59:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which cannot be termed as love. Love is an effort in that direction. Dialogue: 0,0:59:08.68,0:59:12.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So is joy, so is peacefulness; when youre peaceful Dialogue: 0,0:59:12.55,0:59:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are actually one with everything. When youre joyful youre actually Dialogue: 0,0:59:16.83,0:59:20.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you sit and laugh with each other, aren't you in some way bonded as one? Dialogue: 0,0:59:20.71,0:59:25.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thats why the drinking buddies going on too well. Dialogue: 0,0:59:25.29,0:59:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Okay. Question from me before I go thats to me Dialogue: 0,0:59:32.82,0:59:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram, what does that really mean? Dialogue: 0,0:59:35.96,0:59:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): The movie is already made, you can't Dialogue: 0,0:59:39.70,0:59:41.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Oh, come on. Dialogue: 0,0:59:41.85,0:59:44.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): It's already a done thing, Shekhar. Dialogue: 0,0:59:44.25,0:59:45.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): I know, I know. Dialogue: 0,0:59:45.95,0:59:47.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Another Kapur. Dialogue: 0,0:59:47.44,0:59:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Yeah, okay. Okay. All right, okay. Ill come back to that one. Dialogue: 0,0:59:52.48,0:59:56.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah. Oh I just want to Many Isha practitioner around the world Dialogue: 0,0:59:56.83,0:59:59.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have benefited from the practices and being with Sadhguru. Dialogue: 0,0:59:59.26,1:00:03.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you care to share your experience and the impact it has had Dialogue: 0,1:00:03.03,1:00:06.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on you and your work? What message would you convey to budding Dialogue: 0,1:00:06.73,1:00:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,young directors around the world? Dialogue: 0,1:00:08.76,1:00:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am not Sadhgurus best disciple - no Im his best disciple; Dialogue: 0,1:00:16.08,1:00:20.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Im not his most disciplined disciple. All I would say is that Dialogue: 0,1:00:20.41,1:00:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I follow the practices, a little more discipline Dialogue: 0,1:00:23.70,1:00:27.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come on why you putting me in this because I have to say Dialogue: 0,1:00:27.33,1:00:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in front of him and I cannot say a lie, I have to tell the truth and Dialogue: 0,1:00:29.92,1:00:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here I am getting caught in this whirlwind. So Ill take the last part. Dialogue: 0,1:00:33.56,1:00:36.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What message would you like to convey to the other directors? Dialogue: 0,1:00:36.70,1:00:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, fantastic! You have to do this! I mean theres no doubt Dialogue: 0,1:00:40.20,1:00:44.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the practices that are there Ive seen my friends benefit from it. Dialogue: 0,1:00:44.23,1:00:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ive seen Okay, so heres what Ill say. Ive seen a sense of giving and Dialogue: 0,1:00:51.67,1:00:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a sense of service where what the people that have done the practice Dialogue: 0,1:00:56.28,1:01:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find that in their work, they give to the work more passionately and more completely Dialogue: 0,1:01:02.32,1:01:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with less stress and prejudice and less conflict Dialogue: 0,1:01:07.65,1:01:10.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than anybody else and Ive always wondered at that. Dialogue: 0,1:01:10.61,1:01:15.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thats one of the most amazing experiences I have when I go to Isha Dialogue: 0,1:01:15.47,1:01:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the people whove done the practice or are doing the practice, Dialogue: 0,1:01:20.89,1:01:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their attitudes to what they do. It doesnt matter, they dont have Dialogue: 0,1:01:24.29,1:01:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do anything as big as filmmaking and I sometimes wonder Dialogue: 0,1:01:27.44,1:01:34.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I bring that to my filmmaking, that sense of absolute giving, passion, Dialogue: 0,1:01:34.63,1:01:40.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compassion, humility to my filmmaking, Id probably make a lot more films. Dialogue: 0,1:01:40.02,1:01:46.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would get into less conflict, I would be less afraid of the failure of the film; Dialogue: 0,1:01:46.14,1:01:49.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now Im talking to all those young directors out there; Dialogue: 0,1:01:49.19,1:01:51.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I make many, many more films. I Yeah, Dialogue: 0,1:01:51.71,1:01:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Im a little embarrassed here because Im not the most disciplined disciple of Isha, Dialogue: 0,1:01:57.38,1:02:07.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of -sorry. Next question. Yeah, okay. Dialogue: 0,1:02:07.34,1:02:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Intensity Theres a question for you, Sadhguru; thank you very much, Dialogue: 0,1:02:11.20,1:02:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank God for that - on intensity. Spirituality is to be perceived with intensity. Dialogue: 0,1:02:18.37,1:02:22.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Im very intense in many things but Im not always sure if the thing Dialogue: 0,1:02:22.82,1:02:27.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Im pursuing indeed leads to further my spirituality or my ego. Dialogue: 0,1:02:27.58,1:02:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, yeah. It leads to further my spirituality or my ego? Dialogue: 0,1:02:32.74,1:02:37.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do I let myself in the path I am pursuing intensely is wrong? Dialogue: 0,1:02:37.63,1:02:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do I do it? Dialogue: 0,1:02:39.28,1:02:41.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): No, I don't know where he got this, Dialogue: 0,1:02:41.86,1:02:45.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you should not pursue anything intensely. It is Dialogue: 0,1:02:45.35,1:02:46.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Nothing. Dialogue: 0,1:02:46.94,1:02:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): No. There is no need to pursue anything intensely. Dialogue: 0,1:02:50.08,1:02:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you say I am pursuing something intensely, probably what youre trying to say is Im pursuing something madly. Dialogue: 0,1:02:57.84,1:03:01.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You should be intense. You must see how to raise the intensity of your being, Dialogue: 0,1:03:01.91,1:03:07.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your mind, your way of existence. If you make this very intense, Dialogue: 0,1:03:07.01,1:03:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anything that you do will be naturally intense, Dialogue: 0,1:03:10.08,1:03:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if you try to do something intense Dialogue: 0,1:03:13.68,1:03:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one thing is you may end up doing it senselessly, Dialogue: 0,1:03:16.68,1:03:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another thing is you will exhaust yourself and expend yourself too quickly. Dialogue: 0,1:03:21.12,1:03:25.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you try to do anything intensely, you will expend yourself too quickly. Dialogue: 0,1:03:25.95,1:03:28.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no need to do anything intensely but you must make Dialogue: 0,1:03:28.91,1:03:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this one absolutely intense to the life process. If that is so, every action that you do, Dialogue: 0,1:03:34.72,1:03:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there will be ease and intensity at the same time. Without ease, if intensity comes, Dialogue: 0,1:03:41.09,1:03:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you will burn yourself out. Dialogue: 0,1:03:43.28,1:03:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Thats fascinating. Im putting that right now to my filmmaking and Dialogue: 0,1:03:48.98,1:03:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Im trying to evaluate how that works. I agree with you, Dialogue: 0,1:03:51.92,1:03:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to be very intense. Dialogue: 0,1:03:53.68,1:03:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): You as a person should become very intense. Dialogue: 0,1:03:57.48,1:04:00.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You dont have to pursue something intensely. Dialogue: 0,1:04:00.72,1:04:09.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Yeah that makes a lot of sense. So does everything you say but Dialogue: 0,1:04:09.20,1:04:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question for Shekhar if there is a documentary on Sadhguru, Dialogue: 0,1:04:13.21,1:04:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will you direct it? Dialogue: 0,1:04:14.44,1:04:15.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Who is this? Dialogue: 0,1:04:15.74,1:04:19.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): From Preeti in Mumbai. Of course I will direct it, Dialogue: 0,1:04:19.43,1:04:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but somebody, you know, somebody sitting right next to me Dialogue: 0,1:04:22.69,1:04:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has to agree to subject himself to the documentary. Dialogue: 0,1:04:25.43,1:04:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on, its difficult enough to get him here and answer a few questions, Dialogue: 0,1:04:28.32,1:04:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are you talking about? Of course I will. Dialogue: 0,1:04:30.68,1:04:34.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course I will, but where do you end it? Ah, so Preeti, Dialogue: 0,1:04:34.45,1:04:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if youre there, where do you end the documentary? Dialogue: 0,1:04:36.42,1:04:39.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If somebody could write the end of the documentary for me, Dialogue: 0,1:04:39.12,1:04:41.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I promise Im going to make it, but I promise Dialogue: 0,1:04:41.32,1:04:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you will not be able to write the end right now. Dialogue: 0,1:04:45.28,1:04:49.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that was my question; that was an easy one. Let me find one. Dialogue: 0,1:04:54.26,1:05:01.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. There are so many gurus, so many methods, Dialogue: 0,1:05:01.09,1:05:04.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so many followers but so few realized beings. Dialogue: 0,1:05:04.73,1:05:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is the path very tough or our pursuit weak? Dialogue: 0,1:05:10.12,1:05:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's from Usha Sonam. So many gurus, so many methods, so many followers, Dialogue: 0,1:05:15.25,1:05:21.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but so few realized beings - is the path very tough or just our pursuit thats weak? Dialogue: 0,1:05:27.83,1:05:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru) I would disagree with the question, that is, there aren't so many gurus Dialogue: 0,1:05:34.35,1:05:38.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are scholars, there are teachers, there are charlatans, Dialogue: 0,1:05:38.83,1:05:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are god-men but therere not too many gurus, theyre very few, Dialogue: 0,1:05:45.31,1:05:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are there very few realized beings? Not true; there are many, many realized beings. Dialogue: 0,1:05:51.50,1:05:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is just that they dont carry a banner around themselves that they are realized. Dialogue: 0,1:05:56.60,1:06:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are not that gross and they may not fit into your idea of Dialogue: 0,1:06:02.32,1:06:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what a realized being is. They may not fit into your ideas of Dialogue: 0,1:06:06.60,1:06:12.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what realized being is because your ideas have nothing to do with realization. Dialogue: 0,1:06:12.02,1:06:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So definitely the number of gurus are not enough, they have dwindled down Dialogue: 0,1:06:17.16,1:06:22.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe there are any number claiming; anybody who reads one chapter of Gita, Dialogue: 0,1:06:22.89,1:06:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,claims himself to be a guru without any knowledge about himself, okay? Dialogue: 0,1:06:27.36,1:06:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anybody who reads half a book can become a guru, thats a different thing. Dialogue: 0,1:06:30.83,1:06:33.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anybody who can Especially in the western world Dialogue: 0,1:06:33.66,1:06:36.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you can chant two mantras you can become a guru, okay? Dialogue: 0,1:06:36.49,1:06:40.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Thank you; I know what to do when my film flops now. Dialogue: 0,1:06:40.23,1:06:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Yes; you just have to stop cutting your beard and learn a couple of mantras. Dialogue: 0,1:06:45.44,1:06:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Thank you, Sadhguru. Ill carry your books Dialogue: 0,1:06:48.69,1:06:54.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): So at the same time there are any number of realized beings. Dialogue: 0,1:06:54.35,1:06:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are any number with us; different levels of realization. Dialogue: 0,1:06:58.68,1:07:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is just that they will not carry a banner on their head that they are realized. Dialogue: 0,1:07:03.84,1:07:07.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are in fantastic states of experience and perception, Dialogue: 0,1:07:07.51,1:07:13.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but theres no need to carry a banner and Dialogue: 0,1:07:13.57,1:07:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I said they may not fit into your ideas because that is realization. Dialogue: 0,1:07:19.26,1:07:24.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every time a guru comes he naturally faces persecution at some point or the other Dialogue: 0,1:07:24.57,1:07:30.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,simply because he doesnt fit into your ideas of what a realized being should be Dialogue: 0,1:07:30.67,1:07:33.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because your ideas have been formed Dialogue: 0,1:07:33.03,1:07:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the one who had come yesterday. The yesterday one also you Dialogue: 0,1:07:37.64,1:07:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you persecuted him because he did not match with the day-before-yesterday guru. Dialogue: 0,1:07:42.32,1:07:45.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the today one also youre having the same problems. Dialogue: 0,1:07:45.67,1:07:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now once this has become accepted, youre looking for other realized beings. Dialogue: 0,1:07:50.32,1:07:54.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You think they will be just like me. People who are around me Dialogue: 0,1:07:54.23,1:07:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in case theyre realized, you believe theyll be just like me? Dialogue: 0,1:07:57.48,1:08:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not at all; that is not the quali Realization is not about Dialogue: 0,1:08:00.62,1:08:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making carbon copies; realization is like like a garden-full of flowers. Dialogue: 0,1:08:07.43,1:08:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is rose flower, there is a lotus, there is a jasmine, Dialogue: 0,1:08:11.20,1:08:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is one tiny tumbe which is the dearest to Shiva, you know, tiny little flower. Dialogue: 0,1:08:17.76,1:08:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you think you see a lotus flower and you accept that as realized. Dialogue: 0,1:08:23.23,1:08:28.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, you have no way to judge; for example, let me put myself into the example. Dialogue: 0,1:08:28.73,1:08:33.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You do not know whether I am realized or not. There is no way for you know. Dialogue: 0,1:08:33.62,1:08:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you should not even believe that I am realized or not realized. Dialogue: 0,1:08:37.95,1:08:44.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You just have to see whether being with me is useful for your growth or not. Dialogue: 0,1:08:44.05,1:08:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it is, hang around, what does it matter whether I am realized or not? Dialogue: 0,1:08:47.88,1:08:51.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you will not know, how will you judge; Dialogue: 0,1:08:51.24,1:08:55.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how will you judge of a dimension that you do not even know, Dialogue: 0,1:08:55.23,1:08:59.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have not even tasted? So there is no need to make up your mind Dialogue: 0,1:08:59.68,1:09:04.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether I am realized or not. Whether I am useful to you or not, that's all. Dialogue: 0,1:09:04.26,1:09:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Okay. People often ask me because Im a filmmaker and Dialogue: 0,1:09:08.98,1:09:13.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like science fiction, and you always read about the idea of looking for Dialogue: 0,1:09:13.95,1:09:18.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,life outside earth. So I keep saying were not looking for life, Dialogue: 0,1:09:18.48,1:09:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were looking for clones. We look around ourselves and Dialogue: 0,1:09:21.34,1:09:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well find life all around us. Then you ask them, describe and then they say Dialogue: 0,1:09:25.43,1:09:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): Dont we already have enough clowns; do we want to clown them Dialogue: 0,1:09:29.64,1:09:31.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clone them? You want to clone them also? Dialogue: 0,1:09:31.70,1:09:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shekar Kapoor): Yeah, were just looking for ourselves, were not looking for intelligence. Dialogue: 0,1:09:36.54,1:09:44.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. Before we end Oh, that was short? Okay, before we end; Dialogue: 0,1:09:44.57,1:09:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any last comments from Sadhguru and Shekhar? My last comments are about Dialogue: 0,1:09:48.69,1:09:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shekar Kapoor): No. I just made them. I made my comments about us being Dialogue: 0,1:09:55.59,1:10:00.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the arrogance of our individuality. It's So let me ask you a last question. Dialogue: 0,1:10:00.90,1:10:05.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me ask the last question to you and thats the last comment is Dialogue: 0,1:10:05.59,1:10:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is individuality? Dialogue: 0,1:10:15.00,1:10:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sadhguru): It is something that comes out of your instinct of Dialogue: 0,1:10:18.20,1:10:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for self-preservation because unless you are Dialogue: 0,1:10:23.46,1:10:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you develop a certain individuality you cannot protect yourself, Dialogue: 0,1:10:27.36,1:10:34.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you cannot preserve yourself. So this individuality gets built up initially Dialogue: 0,1:10:34.54,1:10:41.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for physical survival, after some time due to misunderstanding of life Dialogue: 0,1:10:41.43,1:10:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or due to a very strong identification with the individual body. Dialogue: 0,1:10:46.96,1:10:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See the bodies are individual - this is one body, that is another body. Dialogue: 0,1:10:51.64,1:10:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatever you do this is a separate body, thats a separate body. Dialogue: 0,1:10:55.04,1:10:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is one organism, thats another organism, though it is functioning Dialogue: 0,1:10:59.65,1:11:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in tandem with the larger organism of the planet and the solar system Dialogue: 0,1:11:03.42,1:11:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the cosmos which nobody can deny. Today modern science can prove it Dialogue: 0,1:11:08.16,1:11:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to you how every cell and every atom in your body is transacting with Dialogue: 0,1:11:12.04,1:11:15.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything else for it to exist right now the way it is. Dialogue: 0,1:11:15.34,1:11:21.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the individuality is formed essentially for self-preservation. Dialogue: 0,1:11:21.55,1:11:24.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we come to self-preservation the only thing that needs Dialogue: 0,1:11:24.99,1:11:29.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,preservation in you is your physical body. Physical body has to be preserved. Dialogue: 0,1:11:29.75,1:11:35.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right now if I trample upon every idea you have in your head, next moment Dialogue: 0,1:11:35.09,1:11:41.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can come up with totally brand new ideas, but if I trample upon Dialogue: 0,1:11:41.42,1:11:45.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one idea of yours you could feel threatened because you feel Dialogue: 0,1:11:45.12,1:11:51.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your survival is being attacked. Your survival is never in question except Dialogue: 0,1:11:51.99,1:11:57.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the physical body. If I trample upon every emotion you have, Dialogue: 0,1:11:57.35,1:12:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every idea you have, your belief systems, your ideologies, everything, Dialogue: 0,1:12:00.88,1:12:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I beat it down right now actually your intelligence is Dialogue: 0,1:12:04.44,1:12:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capable of coming up with something totally new the next moment, Dialogue: 0,1:12:08.25,1:12:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but because you cling to this, the next one will never happen. Dialogue: 0,1:12:11.88,1:12:17.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People cling to the stronger they cling to it, the less creative and less Dialogue: 0,1:12:17.37,1:12:20.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concretized they become in their individuality. Dialogue: 0,1:12:20.57,1:12:25.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Individual essentially means - it comes from the word indivisible, Dialogue: 0,1:12:25.100,1:12:31.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is youre not further divisible, but now in your search for survival Dialogue: 0,1:12:31.79,1:12:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of psychological survival and emotional survival Dialogue: 0,1:12:35.62,1:12:37.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people make themselves into many things. Dialogue: 0,1:12:37.97,1:12:43.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right now already in the question itself there was a thing about Is it my ego, Dialogue: 0,1:12:43.88,1:12:47.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is it my this where is your ego? There is no such thing, Dialogue: 0,1:12:47.46,1:12:51.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's just a nasty part of you which you want to label it as Mr. Ego, you know. Dialogue: 0,1:12:51.02,1:12:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some aspect of you is nasty; you dont want to see that I am nasty, Dialogue: 0,1:12:56.34,1:13:01.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you say, It's my ego. Sometimes youre pleasant, sometimes youre unpleasant Dialogue: 0,1:13:01.79,1:13:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you dont even want to come to terms with that. Dialogue: 0,1:13:05.02,1:13:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So individual means youre not further divisible. Is there only one person in this body Dialogue: 0,1:13:10.32,1:13:20.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or two? If there is two, either you need - you know youre schizophrenic Dialogue: 0,1:13:20.19,1:13:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need a psychiatric, or maybe you need an exorcist. Two cannot be there, Dialogue: 0,1:13:26.34,1:13:29.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,theres only one; this is indivisible, this is just one being. Dialogue: 0,1:13:29.73,1:13:38.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the individuality is a disease, individual is a beautiful thing, Dialogue: 0,1:13:38.62,1:13:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its a compact organism, but individuality or Dialogue: 0,1:13:42.18,1:13:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,individualism is a kind of a disease that has grown in the world. Dialogue: 0,1:13:45.98,1:13:51.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Its all about exclusiveness. Every Everything you see today in the world, Dialogue: 0,1:13:51.34,1:13:54.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people are promoting exclusiveness and then they are wondering Dialogue: 0,1:13:54.59,1:14:00.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why there is conflict. If you promote exclusiveness, how can there be no conflict? Dialogue: 0,1:14:00.78,1:14:04.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There can only be conflict, isn't it? Dialogue: 0,1:14:04.99,1:14:08.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, thank you Sadhguru. Thank you very much Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,