1 00:00:08,404 --> 00:00:12,174 All the differences that biological siblings might have, 2 00:00:12,937 --> 00:00:17,817 we don't think of racial difference as being on the top of that list. 3 00:00:18,340 --> 00:00:21,960 But over the past few years there's been quite a bit of interest, 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,490 even a media frenzy, 5 00:00:23,490 --> 00:00:26,720 over couples and families, around the world, 6 00:00:27,021 --> 00:00:29,651 who've had children of a different race. 7 00:00:31,611 --> 00:00:34,091 I'm really interested in these questions. 8 00:00:34,091 --> 00:00:37,701 I'm intrigued by the presence of these sibling pairs. 9 00:00:38,116 --> 00:00:43,636 In many cases, they're biological twins of a quote unquote "different race." 10 00:00:44,110 --> 00:00:48,230 I've been collecting photos and articles about these sibling pairs, 11 00:00:48,601 --> 00:00:50,611 reading about their lives. 12 00:00:50,897 --> 00:00:53,717 I've been fascinated about how the media portrays them 13 00:00:53,717 --> 00:00:56,567 as feats of humanity, marvels of science. 14 00:00:56,953 --> 00:01:00,893 All because they have a different racial appearance. 15 00:01:01,770 --> 00:01:05,050 But what's even more fascinating than these photos themselves, 16 00:01:05,156 --> 00:01:07,336 has been the public reaction to them. 17 00:01:07,666 --> 00:01:12,276 Some people view these pictures as evidence that racism is over. 18 00:01:13,870 --> 00:01:17,000 Others, on the other hand, feel as though racism isn't over, 19 00:01:17,209 --> 00:01:22,439 but that racial mixture like this might lead us to the end of racism. 20 00:01:23,230 --> 00:01:27,530 Now, as a sociologist, I disagree with both of those ideas. 21 00:01:27,658 --> 00:01:29,975 But I think that there are two important lessons 22 00:01:29,975 --> 00:01:32,035 that we can learn from these photos. 23 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:34,919 Number one is I think that these sibling pairs 24 00:01:34,936 --> 00:01:40,806 are the perfect example of how we know that race is a social construction. 25 00:01:41,488 --> 00:01:45,748 So sure, these siblings have differences in skin color, and even in hair texture. 26 00:01:46,136 --> 00:01:48,138 But these superficial differences 27 00:01:48,138 --> 00:01:51,878 don't justify the creation of racial categories. 28 00:01:51,878 --> 00:01:56,238 There's no biological basis for this thing that we call "race." 29 00:01:57,389 --> 00:02:02,529 But even as I say this as a sociologist, I know that race and racism matter. 30 00:02:02,712 --> 00:02:04,672 They matter in our society. 31 00:02:04,978 --> 00:02:06,219 When I say "racism," 32 00:02:06,219 --> 00:02:09,219 what I'm talking about is the unequal distribution 33 00:02:09,271 --> 00:02:13,511 of economic, political, and educational resources. 34 00:02:14,238 --> 00:02:16,358 But I studied race in family. 35 00:02:16,667 --> 00:02:21,937 I'm particularly interested in how race can infiltrate families. 36 00:02:22,611 --> 00:02:23,956 This is the important part; 37 00:02:23,956 --> 00:02:31,196 how race can lead to unequal distribution of love and affection in the same family. 38 00:02:32,185 --> 00:02:34,385 So how parents treat their children, 39 00:02:34,986 --> 00:02:38,186 how grandparents treat their grandchildren, 40 00:02:38,469 --> 00:02:43,779 how siblings interact with one another, can all be impacted by racism. 41 00:02:44,529 --> 00:02:49,259 The question that drives my work is whether or not it might be true 42 00:02:49,540 --> 00:02:54,690 that what love looks like in families can depend on what you look like. 43 00:02:56,866 --> 00:03:01,386 The basic premise of this talk really challenges what many of us 44 00:03:01,395 --> 00:03:04,695 fundamentally believe to be true about families. 45 00:03:04,971 --> 00:03:10,031 We have a type of collective investment in believing families are our safe haven. 46 00:03:10,331 --> 00:03:14,071 This is why we have these phrases: "Home is where the heart is." 47 00:03:14,693 --> 00:03:17,873 "There's no place like home," I guess Dorothy said it best. 48 00:03:18,163 --> 00:03:19,563 "Home sweet home." 49 00:03:19,833 --> 00:03:21,902 All of these phrases really resonate 50 00:03:21,902 --> 00:03:25,612 with the importance that we give to families. 51 00:03:25,612 --> 00:03:28,662 What I'm suggesting today, and challenging you to do 52 00:03:28,899 --> 00:03:33,079 is think about how families are much more complex and contradictory 53 00:03:33,301 --> 00:03:35,521 than we ever give them credit for being. 54 00:03:35,803 --> 00:03:38,496 As it relates to race in particular, 55 00:03:38,496 --> 00:03:42,486 families can certainly protect family members against racism 56 00:03:42,926 --> 00:03:46,216 but they might also reproduce racism. 57 00:03:46,724 --> 00:03:52,824 When emotions are thrown into the mix, we know that home is where the heart is, 58 00:03:53,538 --> 00:03:56,938 but home might also be where the hurt is. 59 00:03:58,822 --> 00:04:03,912 For me and my quest, in terms of studying questions of race, love, and emotions, 60 00:04:04,260 --> 00:04:07,202 I was inevitably drawn to an incredible country, 61 00:04:07,202 --> 00:04:09,492 and that was Brazil. 62 00:04:09,492 --> 00:04:13,034 What most of you may not know about Brazil is that the mix 63 00:04:13,034 --> 00:04:18,301 between African, indigenous, and Portuguese populations has given rise 64 00:04:18,301 --> 00:04:21,811 to some of the most racially diverse families in the world. 65 00:04:22,314 --> 00:04:26,284 In Brazil, having a baby is a bit like playing racial roulette, 66 00:04:26,555 --> 00:04:30,825 because of the uncertainty about which racial features might emerge 67 00:04:30,825 --> 00:04:32,545 in the genetic lottery. 68 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,570 Even though it's true, that racial mixture in Brazil is very high, 69 00:04:38,266 --> 00:04:40,486 racism also still exists, 70 00:04:40,956 --> 00:04:43,096 whiteness is still overvalued, 71 00:04:43,393 --> 00:04:46,212 and a person's life chances and life opportunities 72 00:04:46,212 --> 00:04:50,392 are still shaped by their physical proximity to whiteness. 73 00:04:50,740 --> 00:04:52,080 So what does that mean? 74 00:04:52,272 --> 00:04:56,882 A person's skin color, hair texture, and facial features can all come 75 00:04:56,969 --> 00:04:58,959 to shape their life outcomes. 76 00:04:59,197 --> 00:05:02,477 But again this takes me back to that question that I began with. 77 00:05:02,661 --> 00:05:05,761 We know that racial appearance matters in society. 78 00:05:06,511 --> 00:05:09,251 But might it also matter in people's families? 79 00:05:09,777 --> 00:05:13,866 How might racial appearance impact how people are treated 80 00:05:13,866 --> 00:05:17,466 within their own homes and with their own family relationships? 81 00:05:18,055 --> 00:05:21,775 Now you might be thinking, "Okay, this sounds like an exciting project," 82 00:05:21,912 --> 00:05:24,819 and Brazil was certainly the ideal location for this project. 83 00:05:24,819 --> 00:05:26,999 That was a "no-brainer" for me. 84 00:05:27,007 --> 00:05:29,087 But there were some barriers in my research. 85 00:05:29,132 --> 00:05:31,242 First, I had to learn Portuguese. 86 00:05:31,471 --> 00:05:35,791 After overcoming that barrier, I had to deal with my own skepticism 87 00:05:35,791 --> 00:05:39,701 about whether I would be able to observe some of the dynamics 88 00:05:39,741 --> 00:05:41,281 about which I'm talking. 89 00:05:41,709 --> 00:05:46,299 So in one of my earliest trips to Brazil, I met a woman by the name of Ana. 90 00:05:46,598 --> 00:05:49,008 Ana was a local student at the university. 91 00:05:49,275 --> 00:05:54,165 When I told her that I was interested in studying race, love, and family, 92 00:05:54,932 --> 00:05:56,862 she had the following response: 93 00:05:57,516 --> 00:06:02,246 She said, "Yes, in a family, people are happy to have children. 94 00:06:02,524 --> 00:06:07,974 They have the dark one first, but when the white one comes, everything changes. 95 00:06:08,508 --> 00:06:12,888 The white one is treated well, and the dark one is forgotten. 96 00:06:13,494 --> 00:06:18,664 The black one is punished because it is said to have "a cara dum escravo." 97 00:06:18,945 --> 00:06:20,695 "The face of a slave." 98 00:06:21,635 --> 00:06:25,275 You can imagine that this was a powerful statement to be made. 99 00:06:25,777 --> 00:06:29,057 But it also made me feel as though I wasn't so far in left field 100 00:06:29,596 --> 00:06:34,616 with this interest that I had in capturing race, love, and emotion in families. 101 00:06:36,457 --> 00:06:42,487 In my book, "The Color of Love", I spend over 16 months working with families, 102 00:06:43,012 --> 00:06:47,022 interviewing over 100 people in ten core families in Brazil, 103 00:06:47,286 --> 00:06:49,506 in order to study these very dynamics, 104 00:06:49,786 --> 00:06:53,816 in order to study how race, love, and family function together. 105 00:06:54,216 --> 00:06:59,666 Sure enough, I found a number of examples that resonated with what Ana had said 106 00:06:59,670 --> 00:07:02,270 to me about "the face of a slave." 107 00:07:03,405 --> 00:07:06,515 So first I met a woman by the name of Doña Elena. 108 00:07:06,974 --> 00:07:09,664 Doña Elena, in her interview, reveals to me 109 00:07:09,664 --> 00:07:12,784 that when she delivered a dark-skinned baby, 110 00:07:12,784 --> 00:07:17,524 and her husband saw the baby for the first time, his reply was, 111 00:07:17,581 --> 00:07:22,361 "Where did you get that black baby? Levá la de volta." 112 00:07:22,391 --> 00:07:23,694 "Take her back." 113 00:07:24,504 --> 00:07:26,734 Corina had a similar story. 114 00:07:26,764 --> 00:07:29,764 She told me about when she delivered her oldest son. 115 00:07:29,818 --> 00:07:32,508 Her partner and his mother came to visit. 116 00:07:33,083 --> 00:07:36,753 They took one look at the baby's black ears, 117 00:07:37,145 --> 00:07:40,545 and decided that her partner would not recognize this child. 118 00:07:40,933 --> 00:07:45,053 Their assumption was that this child would eventually grow up to be dark skinned. 119 00:07:45,191 --> 00:07:48,511 So for that reason they figured it was not possible for the son 120 00:07:48,591 --> 00:07:51,151 to have fathered a dark-skinned child. 121 00:07:52,492 --> 00:07:54,432 Then there's the third example. 122 00:07:54,668 --> 00:07:56,968 A nine-year-old girl named Hegany. 123 00:07:57,251 --> 00:08:01,521 She's by far my favorite interviewee during my time in Brazil. 124 00:08:01,766 --> 00:08:04,746 She was brilliant, she was boisterous, she was effervescent. 125 00:08:05,059 --> 00:08:07,650 She had this type of honest sincerity, 126 00:08:07,650 --> 00:08:11,630 this type of vulnerability that many of us tend to lose as we get older. 127 00:08:12,129 --> 00:08:16,749 Coincidentally, during the time I'm interviewing Hegany and her family, 128 00:08:16,796 --> 00:08:19,776 her mother actually gives birth to a baby girl. 129 00:08:20,524 --> 00:08:25,754 This baby girl is unanimously viewed as perfect: white skin, and straight hair. 130 00:08:26,892 --> 00:08:31,072 I ask Hegany, "What does it feel like to be a big sister? What is this like?" 131 00:08:31,753 --> 00:08:34,179 Her response to me was the following, 132 00:08:34,499 --> 00:08:37,729 "Eu tenho medo de perder o carinho dos meus pais." 133 00:08:38,659 --> 00:08:41,929 "I'm afraid of losing the love of my parents." 134 00:08:42,879 --> 00:08:45,519 So I asked Hegany, "Why do you feel this way? 135 00:08:45,621 --> 00:08:47,451 Why do you think this might happen?" 136 00:08:47,549 --> 00:08:50,509 She looks back at me, and she says, "Because of the baby. 137 00:08:50,808 --> 00:08:55,538 You saw her, didn't you? She was born clean, with straight hair. 138 00:08:55,538 --> 00:08:57,841 I'm afraid they will love her more. 139 00:08:57,841 --> 00:09:00,280 Her hair won't give them as much trouble. 140 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,330 Everyone is saying it. 141 00:09:02,330 --> 00:09:05,950 She'll have everything, and I'll have nothing." 142 00:09:07,008 --> 00:09:10,798 Hegany covers her face with her hands and begins to sob. 143 00:09:12,545 --> 00:09:18,105 What's so devastating about this interview is that she's only nine years old. 144 00:09:18,694 --> 00:09:21,984 Yet even at this age, she understands how racial features 145 00:09:22,014 --> 00:09:25,176 can impact the way that her family interacts with her; 146 00:09:25,176 --> 00:09:28,456 the level of love and affection that she might receive in the family. 147 00:09:29,366 --> 00:09:33,966 Over the course of the weeks and months that I'm in this family, I observe Hegany, 148 00:09:34,253 --> 00:09:37,323 and she shows herself to be resentful of the baby. 149 00:09:37,876 --> 00:09:41,016 She's constantly, almost obsessively observing the baby. 150 00:09:41,290 --> 00:09:43,590 Waiting to see changes in the baby's skin color, 151 00:09:43,609 --> 00:09:45,542 waiting for it to become darker, 152 00:09:45,542 --> 00:09:49,102 for the baby's hair to become a little bit curlier. 153 00:09:49,102 --> 00:09:50,502 But something else happens. 154 00:09:50,821 --> 00:09:55,361 I also see Hegany holding the baby closely, rocking her tightly, 155 00:09:55,361 --> 00:09:57,751 and taking on the role as a big sister. 156 00:09:58,481 --> 00:10:02,901 What this suggested to me is that honest portrayal of families was a partial one. 157 00:10:03,328 --> 00:10:06,728 That there were numbers of ways that families could both reproduce 158 00:10:07,078 --> 00:10:08,468 and resist racism. 159 00:10:09,034 --> 00:10:12,624 Doña Elena, who I mentioned before, had a daughter who was dark skinned, 160 00:10:12,672 --> 00:10:16,412 but she viewed her dark skin as being evidence that her daughter 161 00:10:16,458 --> 00:10:18,108 possessed true black beauty. 162 00:10:18,587 --> 00:10:23,907 Other families developed alternative anti-racist personas. 163 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,430 The best example of this is a father who insists that I call him, 164 00:10:27,510 --> 00:10:28,639 "Pantera Negra." 165 00:10:28,659 --> 00:10:30,308 "The Black Panther." 166 00:10:30,308 --> 00:10:33,618 He names himself after the Black Panthers in the United States, 167 00:10:33,641 --> 00:10:35,560 and has a radical political agenda 168 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:37,811 that involves raising the racial consciousness 169 00:10:37,811 --> 00:10:40,241 of people in his neighborhood. 170 00:10:40,241 --> 00:10:43,595 He introduces me to his wife, who he calls the "Panterona," 171 00:10:43,595 --> 00:10:44,815 "The Big Panther," 172 00:10:45,085 --> 00:10:49,095 who also is committed to the same thing, to raising racial consciousness. 173 00:10:50,114 --> 00:10:52,954 Now what does all of this, what do all of these narratives 174 00:10:52,961 --> 00:10:56,501 tell us about racism in the United States and Brazil? 175 00:10:57,454 --> 00:11:01,734 Any effort to eradicate racism has to leverage the power 176 00:11:01,745 --> 00:11:04,495 and the influence of families and communities. 177 00:11:04,974 --> 00:11:09,684 But not just that, it must also promote concrete public policies, 178 00:11:10,035 --> 00:11:15,145 concrete legislative actions that lead to structural changes in our society. 179 00:11:15,545 --> 00:11:18,885 I love the example of "Pantera Negra" because he really shows 180 00:11:18,930 --> 00:11:21,235 the importance of global linkages. 181 00:11:21,235 --> 00:11:23,615 In his case, he's building on the Black Panthers. 182 00:11:23,997 --> 00:11:27,507 Contemporary social movements now, like "Black Lives Matter," 183 00:11:27,857 --> 00:11:31,287 are also exceptionally successful because they're relevant 184 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,280 both in the local contexts, 185 00:11:33,352 --> 00:11:36,032 but also because they're relevant in the global context. 186 00:11:36,177 --> 00:11:40,317 The best part about their message is that it's relevant for white folks 187 00:11:40,660 --> 00:11:43,390 but it's also relevant for people of color 188 00:11:43,390 --> 00:11:46,167 who may have internalized anti-black racism. 189 00:11:47,498 --> 00:11:49,108 Where do we go from here? 190 00:11:49,114 --> 00:11:50,470 Frederick Douglas says, 191 00:11:50,540 --> 00:11:54,310 "Power concedes nothing without a demand." 192 00:11:54,310 --> 00:11:58,360 I encourage each of you to use your families and communities 193 00:11:58,402 --> 00:12:03,287 to work together to articulate demands that can move us towards forging 194 00:12:03,287 --> 00:12:09,047 a better future, an anti-racist society that leads to the eradication of racism 195 00:12:09,047 --> 00:12:13,229 in the United States, Brazil, and the rest of the world.