1 00:00:00,989 --> 00:00:07,989 the the the howard rheingold 2 00:00:16,260 --> 00:00:17,940 we're talking with Robin good 3 00:00:17,940 --> 00:00:22,090 about curation so on Robin I love you 4 00:00:22,090 --> 00:00:26,640 your series of articles I'm I'm highly recommend them I just wanted to get that 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,110 directly from you a few thoughts about 6 00:00:29,110 --> 00:00:34,390 curation online starting with what do you think the importance in the places 7 00:00:34,390 --> 00:00:38,230 curation is died today from for anybody who's online 8 00:00:38,230 --> 00:00:42,300 I think I'll you could see it this way 9 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:45,980 I'll we've reached some mild eliminate are via 10 00:00:45,980 --> 00:00:49,100 understanding and making sense of the information 11 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:53,000 just by going out to Google typing out that query 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,130 and getting listing of things that could be relevant to us 13 00:00:58,130 --> 00:01:02,469 I think we this is like you know I V 14 00:01:02,469 --> 00:01:05,640 being hungry and going to McDonalds you know it's 15 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,470 foss food information bat I'll I want something more like 16 00:01:10,470 --> 00:01:15,100 when I go to a restaurant I can choose it everest an iTablet foods that quality 17 00:01:15,100 --> 00:01:18,640 level at the type of customer service and so on so 18 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:23,640 I am looking for a new level love but accessing information whereby 19 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,190 I'm not just trying to list and rank information but in trying to make sense 20 00:01:28,190 --> 00:01:31,869 of the information this is what people want more and more 21 00:01:31,869 --> 00:01:36,470 because one article by itself are already link or are we so sorry video 22 00:01:36,470 --> 00:01:38,009 sometimes is just a little 23 00:01:38,009 --> 00:01:42,590 Albany holding to understanding that I'll be quiet if there was some kind of 24 00:01:42,590 --> 00:01:44,030 intermediate layer 25 00:01:44,030 --> 00:01:47,490 whether don by an allegory dome 26 00:01:47,490 --> 00:01:51,959 or by people contributing and working with an algorithm to collect 27 00:01:51,959 --> 00:01:55,700 things to make sense on a certain topic I think we would be 28 00:01:55,700 --> 00:01:59,080 I in a you not in a position 29 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,649 to inform and learn much faster much better than we can do now 30 00:02:03,649 --> 00:02:06,709 what qualities do you think I'm 31 00:02:06,709 --> 00:02:10,288 I a curator ought to have well 32 00:02:10,288 --> 00:02:13,620 is get to be somewhat OVA 33 00:02:13,620 --> 00:02:18,720 very curious percent and I'm passionate per se in the area outweigh wants to 34 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:19,510 curate 35 00:02:19,510 --> 00:02:23,290 I don't think he can just go about your rating 36 00:02:23,290 --> 00:02:27,569 atopy because you wake up and that's something you want to do well 37 00:02:27,569 --> 00:02:31,040 you certainly can and gain confidence we need we time with you 38 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,200 it would be best that you going to rate something that you're already very 39 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,640 passionate about that you'd be exposed to 40 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:40,280 so that you have some sensitivity some antennas data 41 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,590 allow you to understand what he's good 42 00:02:43,590 --> 00:02:48,250 what is better because then it becomes a point of four you doing this for you 43 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:50,890 just an artist's painting something for yourself 44 00:02:50,890 --> 00:02:54,480 or your trading something for a specific audiences 45 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,819 trying to intercept a specific need and resolve it 46 00:02:57,819 --> 00:03:02,629 week that to channeled information so I would think that 47 00:03:02,629 --> 00:03:06,159 knowing the audience and being an expert on the topic 48 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:11,359 helps someone shoe rate whatever type of the information items he has at his 49 00:03:11,359 --> 00:03:13,950 disposal that that setting karnicki 50 00:03:13,950 --> 00:03:16,950 an immense then you you gotta be very transparent 51 00:03:16,950 --> 00:03:20,700 and dad give full credit to whoever you are 52 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:25,640 gathering in and expose actually the best buddies up the sources in people 53 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:29,489 and add something of your own that he is d 54 00:03:29,489 --> 00:03:34,430 ultimate quality of the curator is like that one for Addie J 55 00:03:34,430 --> 00:03:37,450 I mean what's the difference between putting out and make state 56 00:03:37,450 --> 00:03:42,430 and a live DJ I think those same qualities apply somewhat to a content 57 00:03:42,430 --> 00:03:42,980 curator 58 00:03:42,980 --> 00:03:47,430 it is the ability to listen closely to what I of volumes at the moment he's 59 00:03:47,430 --> 00:03:48,150 serving 60 00:03:48,150 --> 00:03:52,579 and and providing a context so that the type of information ease or she's 61 00:03:52,579 --> 00:03:53,329 collecting 62 00:03:53,329 --> 00:03:56,980 make sense to them so you may have to change titles may take 63 00:03:56,980 --> 00:04:01,129 change descriptions images order how he just oppose things 64 00:04:01,129 --> 00:04:05,959 but you have to customize the flow for that purpose the man 65 00:04:05,959 --> 00:04:10,829 public you're doing that for Jordan who who you are. should come 66 00:04:10,829 --> 00:04:13,859 come through just to some degree your 67 00:04:13,859 --> 00:04:17,810 your sensibility and your your point of view aren't you 68 00:04:17,810 --> 00:04:21,329 not be completely suppressed when you're your jury 69 00:04:21,329 --> 00:04:25,700 they may be different instances any 70 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:28,700 situations business why is 71 00:04:28,700 --> 00:04:33,990 a a sure research and information activities 72 00:04:33,990 --> 00:04:38,539 how he may vary our I wouldn't be so sure that all the time you'd have to 73 00:04:38,539 --> 00:04:39,150 bring 74 00:04:39,150 --> 00:04:42,599 out your personality but that 75 00:04:42,599 --> 00:04:46,690 there is no way that you can not somehow stand in some position 76 00:04:46,690 --> 00:04:50,580 cell them would be a generic position it may be a bit more 77 00:04:50,580 --> 00:04:55,330 I def I'm positions for those who have had it all to take political stances or 78 00:04:55,330 --> 00:04:56,840 research things where their 79 00:04:56,840 --> 00:05:01,419 opal's Inc views but again there you may be a great reader by just sending out 80 00:05:01,419 --> 00:05:02,710 for your position 81 00:05:02,710 --> 00:05:06,030 or maybe even a better curator by creating 82 00:05:06,030 --> 00:05:10,220 all the positions that out there and allowing people to discover which ones 83 00:05:10,220 --> 00:05:13,729 it's best for their money both of them are valid to me 84 00:05:13,729 --> 00:05:18,289 are a woman what is your advice to do to people about how to go about this and be 85 00:05:18,289 --> 00:05:21,830 I know %um a very detailed workflow you just 86 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:25,379 someone wants to go ahead and start curating in the butt 87 00:05:25,379 --> 00:05:28,520 a passion for subject in some knowledge about it would out 88 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,960 how they go about 89 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,099 the first thing you want to do is to 90 00:05:35,099 --> 00:05:38,160 collect your so say risk your 91 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,970 the places where you're going to gather that information you wanna start from 92 00:05:41,970 --> 00:05:44,849 some basis at these may be some blogs 93 00:05:44,849 --> 00:05:47,879 I some video channels says some 94 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:51,229 tweet their personalities fun pages 95 00:05:51,229 --> 00:05:54,460 anything especially that he's capable of producing 96 00:05:54,460 --> 00:05:58,069 on RSS feed in is very useful for 97 00:05:58,069 --> 00:06:01,240 cue Radian creating channels on the information dedicated to a specific 98 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:02,930 topic 99 00:06:02,930 --> 00:06:07,129 you you want them to become familiar with something that the ski 100 00:06:07,129 --> 00:06:10,800 a and technically beat for it was difficult to understand is what I call a 101 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,780 persistent search that is the ability to set out a search for a topic 102 00:06:15,780 --> 00:06:20,379 and be alerted any time something comes up so that you can discover 103 00:06:20,379 --> 00:06:24,379 new things but you can discover also news sources for information that you 104 00:06:24,379 --> 00:06:27,039 may not be aware of 105 00:06:27,039 --> 00:06:31,569 eddie Van Ness when you bring together different sources 106 00:06:31,569 --> 00:06:35,000 ones you know that once you're going to discover gradually 107 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,509 it the core part of your job is 108 00:06:38,509 --> 00:06:44,009 to select to pick does that really count in again to customize them 109 00:06:44,009 --> 00:06:48,539 personalizing for your audience for this specific communication 110 00:06:48,539 --> 00:06:51,979 objective yes it out for yourself with that channel or stream of the 111 00:06:51,979 --> 00:06:54,009 information you're creating 112 00:06:54,009 --> 00:07:00,120 so in the job to describe is as simple as that you you may want and to 113 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,479 share this information to package it happened distributed in different ways 114 00:07:04,479 --> 00:07:04,810 but 115 00:07:04,810 --> 00:07:08,849 the core elements are basically does once they're 116 00:07:08,849 --> 00:07:12,169 so many people then just worry about 117 00:07:12,169 --> 00:07:17,189 a what is the tool that can do all the stuff in a simple way without needing me 118 00:07:17,189 --> 00:07:20,330 to know HTML RSS tags at 119 00:07:20,330 --> 00:07:24,250 persistent searches and so on so let me get a right to that 120 00:07:24,250 --> 00:07:27,689 and dat is if I were to advise 121 00:07:27,689 --> 00:07:31,680 a tool that I am NOT associated with commercially they think helps anyone 122 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,280 who's in all this 123 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,479 to get good grapes all what 124 00:07:36,479 --> 00:07:39,710 curating information can do when I can be done 125 00:07:39,710 --> 00:07:43,129 is the one you're using yourself since a few days and that's cool beat 126 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:47,280 as see okie .it 127 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,560 that's just bury simple to use free tool 128 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,970 that allows you to aggregate fielder's church put together information even 129 00:07:54,970 --> 00:07:56,599 layout and publish it 130 00:07:56,599 --> 00:07:59,789 within a workflow that is extremely easy 131 00:07:59,789 --> 00:08:02,949 an almost intuitive to pick up 132 00:08:02,949 --> 00:08:06,259 and %uh I also likes kinda the community feature a Scooby 133 00:08:06,259 --> 00:08:10,250 im at the am there are people can cook can 134 00:08:10,250 --> 00:08:13,800 recommend sources to you and then you have a stream sources 135 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,080 besides the ones that you gone out and and found 136 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,550 that you can go through and you can either I'm use them 137 00:08:20,550 --> 00:08:24,460 you can discard them or you can say and when used as source anymore so 138 00:08:24,460 --> 00:08:27,710 use dream become smarter as you as you you 139 00:08:27,710 --> 00:08:32,030 mercury did is a tool I like a lot too 140 00:08:32,030 --> 00:08:36,390 yes but there are actually very many tula in de- 141 00:08:36,390 --> 00:08:40,169 if you recall on 2005 ahead 142 00:08:40,169 --> 00:08:44,870 what was the did montel the ID March or April I was in San Francisco with you on 143 00:08:44,870 --> 00:08:49,130 mountain time of bias we were talking for the first time in that beautiful 144 00:08:49,130 --> 00:08:54,120 scenery aboul what we discussed in now that he's news Gration 145 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,710 and you with leukemia me and wondering where their 146 00:08:58,710 --> 00:09:03,100 that made any sense at I'm so glad that that this time has passed and it's 147 00:09:03,100 --> 00:09:05,040 become a reality I was 148 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,160 Solex I did last year and in the last few months where 149 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,830 about sixty Diff'rent corporation content curation tools have come out 150 00:09:13,830 --> 00:09:15,090 that created that 151 00:09:15,090 --> 00:09:18,680 at map you've probably seen which update every weekend 152 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:21,860 and what is surprising ease now all these different 153 00:09:21,860 --> 00:09:24,980 areas for content curation because we study 154 00:09:24,980 --> 00:09:30,720 RSS curating content in news creating news Raiders as they call them specific 155 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,040 thematic channels but 156 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,240 now there's a universe of other possibilities that is 157 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,530 that is DVD a curation they resell 158 00:09:38,530 --> 00:09:42,360 product curation these fashion duration which is 159 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,280 fantastic go in CT said it's called police for 160 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,560 PE ow.ly voor E 161 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:54,160 and see what people can do to a team together different fashion elements like 162 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,070 shoes & jewelry 163 00:09:56,070 --> 00:09:59,810 and attic gadgets and create day who radiate 164 00:09:59,810 --> 00:10:05,640 sets said that it really a interesting and visually appealing 165 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:11,030 you so I think the horizon easy and understanding that basically anything 166 00:10:11,030 --> 00:10:15,380 can be curated doesn't have to be on the news you can create stuff that 167 00:10:15,380 --> 00:10:18,420 doesn't be doesn't have to be connected tweet their 168 00:10:18,420 --> 00:10:21,580 or staff detachments right at this moment me 169 00:10:21,580 --> 00:10:25,410 even collecting and curating what he's out there for the past 170 00:10:25,410 --> 00:10:29,710 I we've got into the DL situation from the beginning until now 171 00:10:29,710 --> 00:10:33,820 it's something useful and I think that direction of the future 172 00:10:33,820 --> 00:10:37,320 ease if not for Google for us to create 173 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:42,160 an alternative titles Google where we can cooperatively 174 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,840 curating information that is out there think for a moment 175 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:52,740 if instead of depending of secret algorithms to decide for us 176 00:10:52,740 --> 00:10:57,820 what is relevant we could choose individually each one of us 177 00:10:57,820 --> 00:11:00,960 we charge a ranking elements we want to use 178 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,750 or tap into your lines and the one of my friend and the other friend 179 00:11:04,750 --> 00:11:08,230 and create our own eco-system I'll 180 00:11:08,230 --> 00:11:13,230 but she rated algorithm sir curated collections have information on how to 181 00:11:13,230 --> 00:11:14,640 make sense of reality 182 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:19,990 instead of depending of somebody or depends on profits and as clues 183 00:11:19,990 --> 00:11:24,170 is clue simply on its own earnings to decide what's best for us and that's 184 00:11:24,170 --> 00:11:29,880 absurd for me because the world s now lives in an economy the information we 185 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,660 depend so much I needed 186 00:11:31,660 --> 00:11:34,900 it is not just a matter of doing a business online it's a matter 187 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:39,740 of allow each I each one of us like to breathe get water 188 00:11:39,740 --> 00:11:43,720 to be able to access information and make some good use of it 189 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:48,570 I don't know it and it and agree with these are not but to me it's a planetary 190 00:11:48,570 --> 00:11:52,200 question that two people should start to addressing 191 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,760 yes that's why I think it a a fundamental literacy about duration is 192 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,930 something that everybody ought to know about it min 193 00:11:58,930 --> 00:12:02,240 not just for specialists just like there are 194 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:07,060 our web sites did get a lot of traffic there are too many many many web sites 195 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:10,990 that may not get the huge amount of traffic but we wouldn't have the really 196 00:12:10,990 --> 00:12:12,120 rich 197 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,360 eco-system online if we didn't have so many 198 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,910 contributors so I I really like your division which YouTube resent to 199 00:12:19,910 --> 00:12:23,980 so enthusiastically in passionately I'm I really population of 200 00:12:23,980 --> 00:12:27,990 a few readers that its it's not just for the individuals is further 201 00:12:27,990 --> 00:12:31,680 the whole system I'm make it much much richer 202 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:36,630 then than it is already yeah we want to have different points of view all week 203 00:12:36,630 --> 00:12:37,820 dust that mean 204 00:12:37,820 --> 00:12:41,120 as should you formation ranking be 205 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,470 I on-demand fundamentalist religion because 206 00:12:45,470 --> 00:12:50,050 what is that I mean if there is one entity that secretly knows what is true 207 00:12:50,050 --> 00:12:50,940 or not 208 00:12:50,940 --> 00:12:55,130 isn't that religion so I don't want to depend on some religious organization to 209 00:12:55,130 --> 00:12:55,780 the sale 210 00:12:55,780 --> 00:13:00,100 what's out there and I want to be able to tap on different points of views that 211 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:02,010 want to be able to contribute 212 00:13:02,010 --> 00:13:06,480 12 other people understand what I have discovered and the system we have now 213 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,180 does not allow me to do this so more and more i'm looking for people can be 214 00:13:11,180 --> 00:13:15,940 gateways to the information they need India's must be trusted people 215 00:13:15,940 --> 00:13:19,470 so we need out a Google love the people for the people 216 00:13:19,470 --> 00:13:24,580 I'm not me %uh individual curator's doing this for ourselves that's what we 217 00:13:24,580 --> 00:13:26,260 need yes 218 00:13:26,260 --> 00:13:29,420 this is wonderful thank you so much and and thank you for your wonderful 219 00:13:29,420 --> 00:13:32,030 hospitality in Rome I will never forget it 220 00:13:32,030 --> 00:13:35,360 and and hope to see you there again soon 221 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,760 all right thank you I had my share my mind get it 222 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:45,760 by do 223 00:13:46,490 --> 00:13:51,290 do 224 00:13:51,290 --> 00:13:54,600 do 225 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:01,600 do 226 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:09,680 do the