WEBVTT 00:00:00.928 --> 00:00:02.349 Why do we cheat? 00:00:04.420 --> 00:00:06.928 And why do happy people cheat? 00:00:08.641 --> 00:00:13.447 And when we say "infidelity," what exactly do we mean? 00:00:14.207 --> 00:00:20.586 Is it a hookup, a love story, paid sex, a chat room, 00:00:20.586 --> 00:00:22.625 a massage with a happy ending? 00:00:24.356 --> 00:00:29.494 Why do we think that men cheat out of boredom and fear of intimacy, 00:00:29.494 --> 00:00:34.256 but women cheat out of loneliness and hunger for intimacy? 00:00:35.769 --> 00:00:39.999 And is an affair always the end of a relationship? NOTE Paragraph 00:00:41.294 --> 00:00:44.490 For the past 10 years, I have traveled the globe 00:00:44.490 --> 00:00:47.535 and worked extensively with hundreds of couples 00:00:47.535 --> 00:00:49.722 who have been shattered by infidelity. 00:00:50.999 --> 00:00:54.602 There is one simple act of transgression 00:00:54.641 --> 00:00:58.990 that can rob a couple of their relationship, 00:00:59.015 --> 00:01:03.245 their happiness and their very identity: an affair. 00:01:03.903 --> 00:01:09.117 And yet, this extremely common act is so poorly understood. 00:01:10.593 --> 00:01:15.224 So this talk is for anyone who has ever loved. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:17.681 --> 00:01:21.525 Adultery has existed since marriage was invented, 00:01:21.525 --> 00:01:24.070 and so, too, the taboo against it. 00:01:25.094 --> 00:01:30.827 In fact, infidelity has a tenacity that marriage can only envy, 00:01:30.827 --> 00:01:34.285 so much so, that this is the only commandment 00:01:34.289 --> 00:01:38.221 that is repeated twice in the Bible: 00:01:38.221 --> 00:01:42.325 once for doing it, and once just for thinking about it. 00:01:42.349 --> 00:01:44.595 (Laughter) 00:01:44.619 --> 00:01:48.922 So how do we reconcile what is universally forbidden, 00:01:48.922 --> 00:01:51.367 yet universally practiced? NOTE Paragraph 00:01:53.058 --> 00:01:58.036 Now, throughout history, men practically had a license to cheat 00:01:58.036 --> 00:02:00.331 with little consequence, 00:02:00.331 --> 00:02:04.739 and supported by a host of biological and evolutionary theories 00:02:04.739 --> 00:02:07.315 that justified their need to roam, 00:02:07.315 --> 00:02:11.292 so the double standard is as old as adultery itself. 00:02:12.403 --> 00:02:17.716 But who knows what's really going on under the sheets there, right? 00:02:17.920 --> 00:02:19.752 Because when it comes to sex, 00:02:19.776 --> 00:02:23.939 the pressure for men is to boast and to exaggerate, 00:02:23.939 --> 00:02:29.484 but the pressure for women is to hide, minimize and deny, 00:02:29.484 --> 00:02:33.710 which isn't surprising when you consider that there are still nine countries 00:02:33.710 --> 00:02:36.234 where women can be killed for straying. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:37.825 --> 00:02:42.420 Now, monogamy used to be one person for life. 00:02:42.912 --> 00:02:45.515 Today, monogamy is one person at a time. 00:02:46.268 --> 00:02:48.133 (Laughter) 00:02:48.158 --> 00:02:50.023 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:02:52.364 --> 00:02:54.300 I mean, many of you probably have said, 00:02:54.300 --> 00:02:56.888 "I am monogamous in all my relationships." 00:02:57.460 --> 00:02:59.863 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:03:00.617 --> 00:03:02.260 We used to marry, 00:03:02.260 --> 00:03:04.169 and had sex for the first time. 00:03:04.614 --> 00:03:06.076 But now we marry, 00:03:06.076 --> 00:03:08.003 and we stop having sex with others. 00:03:09.455 --> 00:03:13.677 The fact is that monogamy had nothing to do with love. 00:03:14.332 --> 00:03:16.895 Men relied on women's fidelity 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:19.959 in order to know whose children these are, 00:03:19.959 --> 00:03:22.300 and who gets the cows when I die. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:24.205 --> 00:03:26.655 Now, everyone wants to know 00:03:26.655 --> 00:03:28.403 what percentage of people cheat. 00:03:28.403 --> 00:03:31.634 I've been asked that question since I arrived at this conference. 00:03:31.658 --> 00:03:34.236 (Laughter) 00:03:34.260 --> 00:03:35.640 It applies to you. 00:03:36.466 --> 00:03:40.959 But the definition of infidelity keeps on expanding: 00:03:40.959 --> 00:03:46.021 sexting, watching porn, staying secretly active on dating apps. 00:03:46.332 --> 00:03:50.817 So because there is no universally agreed-upon definition 00:03:50.817 --> 00:03:53.956 of what even constitutes an infidelity, 00:03:53.956 --> 00:03:59.586 estimates vary widely, from 26 percent to 75 percent. 00:04:00.728 --> 00:04:03.959 But on top of it, we are walking contradictions. 00:04:04.173 --> 00:04:07.792 So 95 percent of us will say that it is terribly wrong 00:04:07.792 --> 00:04:10.969 for our partner to lie about having an affair, 00:04:10.969 --> 00:04:13.190 but just about the same amount of us will say 00:04:13.214 --> 00:04:16.348 that that's exactly what we would do if we were having one. 00:04:16.372 --> 00:04:18.808 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:04:19.872 --> 00:04:23.577 Now, I like this definition of an affair -- 00:04:23.577 --> 00:04:27.326 it brings together the three key elements: 00:04:27.326 --> 00:04:33.032 a secretive relationship, which is the core structure of an affair; 00:04:33.032 --> 00:04:37.826 an emotional connection to one degree or another; 00:04:37.826 --> 00:04:39.466 and a sexual alchemy. 00:04:40.355 --> 00:04:43.337 And alchemy is the key word here, 00:04:43.337 --> 00:04:50.265 because the erotic frisson is such that the kiss that you only imagine giving, 00:04:50.265 --> 00:04:53.349 can be as powerful and as enchanting 00:04:53.349 --> 00:04:55.839 as hours of actual lovemaking. 00:04:57.759 --> 00:04:59.315 As Marcel Proust said, 00:04:59.340 --> 00:05:04.640 it's our imagination that is responsible for love, not the other person. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:05.902 --> 00:05:09.758 So it's never been easier to cheat, 00:05:09.762 --> 00:05:13.235 and it's never been more difficult to keep a secret. 00:05:13.999 --> 00:05:18.459 And never has infidelity exacted such a psychological toll. 00:05:19.975 --> 00:05:23.342 When marriage was an economic enterprise, 00:05:23.342 --> 00:05:26.308 infidelity threatened our economic security. 00:05:27.083 --> 00:05:29.959 But now that marriage is a romantic arrangement, 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:33.779 infidelity threatens our emotional security. 00:05:33.779 --> 00:05:38.040 Ironically, we used to turn to adultery -- 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.269 that was the space where we sought pure love. 00:05:41.293 --> 00:05:43.482 But now that we seek love in marriage, 00:05:43.482 --> 00:05:45.142 adultery destroys it. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:46.943 --> 00:05:51.347 Now, there are three ways that I think infidelity hurts differently today. 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:59.613 We have a romantic ideal in which we turn to one person 00:05:59.613 --> 00:06:02.810 to fulfill an endless list of needs: 00:06:02.810 --> 00:06:06.410 to be my greatest lover, my best friend, 00:06:06.410 --> 00:06:09.563 the best parent, my trusted confidant, 00:06:09.563 --> 00:06:12.657 my emotional companion, my intellectual equal. 00:06:13.625 --> 00:06:17.929 And I am it: I'm chosen, I'm unique, 00:06:17.929 --> 00:06:21.245 I'm indispensable, I'm irreplaceable, 00:06:21.245 --> 00:06:22.435 I'm the one. 00:06:23.356 --> 00:06:26.514 And infidelity tells me I'm not. 00:06:27.308 --> 00:06:29.197 It is the ultimate betrayal. 00:06:29.999 --> 00:06:33.125 Infidelity shatters the grand ambition of love. 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:39.561 But if throughout history, infidelity has always been painful, 00:06:39.561 --> 00:06:41.919 today it is often traumatic, 00:06:41.919 --> 00:06:44.720 because it threatens our sense of self. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:45.054 --> 00:06:47.823 So my patient Fernando, he's plagued. 00:06:47.847 --> 00:06:50.595 He goes on: "I thought I knew my life. 00:06:50.595 --> 00:06:54.801 I thought I knew who you were, who we were as a couple, who I was. 00:06:54.801 --> 00:06:57.022 Now, I question everything." 00:06:57.632 --> 00:07:02.819 Infidelity -- a violation of trust, a crisis of identity. 00:07:02.819 --> 00:07:05.124 "Can I ever trust you again?" he asks. 00:07:05.148 --> 00:07:07.450 "Can I ever trust anyone again?" NOTE Paragraph 00:07:08.824 --> 00:07:11.905 And this is also what my patient Heather is telling me, 00:07:11.905 --> 00:07:14.532 when she's talking to me about her story with Nick. 00:07:14.532 --> 00:07:15.982 Married, two kids. 00:07:15.982 --> 00:07:18.659 Nick just left on a business trip, 00:07:18.659 --> 00:07:22.190 and Heather is playing on his iPad with the boys, 00:07:22.190 --> 00:07:25.127 when she sees a message appear on the screen: 00:07:25.127 --> 00:07:26.665 "Can't wait to see you." 00:07:27.625 --> 00:07:30.054 Strange, she thinks, we just saw each other. 00:07:30.863 --> 00:07:32.379 And then another message: 00:07:32.903 --> 00:07:35.140 "Can't wait to hold you in my arms." 00:07:35.999 --> 00:07:38.243 And Heather realizes 00:07:38.243 --> 00:07:39.611 these are not for her. 00:07:40.435 --> 00:07:43.808 She also tells me that her father had affairs, 00:07:43.812 --> 00:07:47.753 but her mother, she found one little receipt in the pocket, 00:07:47.777 --> 00:07:49.935 and a little bit of lipstick on the collar. 00:07:51.221 --> 00:07:54.610 Heather, she goes digging, 00:07:54.610 --> 00:07:57.673 and she finds hundreds of messages, 00:07:57.673 --> 00:08:01.086 and photos exchanged and desires expressed. 00:08:01.420 --> 00:08:04.118 The vivid details of Nick's two-year affair 00:08:04.118 --> 00:08:07.300 unfold in front of her in real time, 00:08:07.999 --> 00:08:09.272 And it made me think: 00:08:09.272 --> 00:08:14.318 Affairs in the digital age are death by a thousand cuts. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:15.854 --> 00:08:19.113 But then we have another paradox that we're dealing with these days. 00:08:19.113 --> 00:08:21.417 Because of this romantic ideal, 00:08:21.417 --> 00:08:26.475 we are relying on our partner's fidelity with a unique fervor. 00:08:26.999 --> 00:08:30.544 But we also have never been more inclined to stray, 00:08:30.544 --> 00:08:33.255 and not because we have new desires today, 00:08:33.255 --> 00:08:35.001 but because we live in an era 00:08:35.001 --> 00:08:38.682 where we feel that we are entitled to pursue our desires, 00:08:38.682 --> 00:08:42.138 because this is the culture where I deserve to be happy. 00:08:43.268 --> 00:08:47.031 And if we used to divorce because we were unhappy, 00:08:47.035 --> 00:08:49.864 today we divorce because we could be happier. 00:08:51.562 --> 00:08:54.847 And if divorce carried all the shame, 00:08:54.847 --> 00:08:58.738 today, choosing to stay when you can leave 00:08:58.738 --> 00:09:00.102 is the new shame. 00:09:00.657 --> 00:09:03.168 So Heather, she can't talk to her friends 00:09:03.168 --> 00:09:06.429 because she's afraid that they will judge her for still loving Nick, 00:09:06.429 --> 00:09:09.977 and everywhere she turns, she gets the same advice: 00:09:09.977 --> 00:09:12.602 Leave him. Throw the dog on the curb. 00:09:13.744 --> 00:09:18.737 And if the situation were reversed, Nick would be in the same situation. 00:09:19.070 --> 00:09:21.364 Staying is the new shame. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:23.395 --> 00:09:26.359 So if we can divorce, 00:09:26.359 --> 00:09:28.455 why do we still have affairs? 00:09:29.999 --> 00:09:34.563 Now, the typical assumption is that if someone cheats, 00:09:34.563 --> 00:09:38.408 either there's something wrong in your relationship or wrong with you. 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.686 But millions of people can't all be pathological. 00:09:44.383 --> 00:09:48.291 The logic goes like this: If you have everything you need at home, 00:09:48.291 --> 00:09:51.715 then there is no need to go looking elsewhere, 00:09:51.715 --> 00:09:55.182 assuming that there is such a thing as a perfect marriage 00:09:55.187 --> 00:09:58.038 that will inoculate us against wanderlust. 00:09:59.165 --> 00:10:02.499 But what if passion has a finite shelf life? 00:10:03.624 --> 00:10:07.338 What if there are things that even a good relationship 00:10:07.338 --> 00:10:08.743 can never provide? 00:10:10.187 --> 00:10:13.202 If even happy people cheat, 00:10:13.202 --> 00:10:14.798 what is it about? NOTE Paragraph 00:10:16.765 --> 00:10:19.641 The vast majority of people that I actually work with 00:10:19.641 --> 00:10:22.425 are not at all chronic philanderers. 00:10:22.429 --> 00:10:26.475 They are often people who are deeply monogamous in their beliefs, 00:10:26.475 --> 00:10:28.048 and at least for their partner. 00:10:28.865 --> 00:10:31.501 But they find themselves in a conflict 00:10:31.501 --> 00:10:34.540 between their values and their behavior. 00:10:35.572 --> 00:10:39.935 They often are people who have actually been faithful for decades, 00:10:39.935 --> 00:10:42.574 but one day they cross a line 00:10:42.574 --> 00:10:45.047 that they never thought they would cross, 00:10:45.047 --> 00:10:47.794 and at the risk of losing everything. 00:10:48.730 --> 00:10:50.635 But for a glimmer of what? 00:10:51.969 --> 00:10:54.609 Affairs are an act of betrayal, 00:10:54.609 --> 00:10:57.705 and they are also an expression of longing and loss. 00:10:58.610 --> 00:11:02.528 At the heart of an affair, you will often find 00:11:02.528 --> 00:11:06.789 a longing and a yearning for an emotional connection, 00:11:06.789 --> 00:11:12.559 for novelty, for freedom, for autonomy, for sexual intensity, 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:16.226 a wish to recapture lost parts of ourselves 00:11:16.226 --> 00:11:21.540 or an attempt to bring back vitality in the face of loss and tragedy. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:22.849 --> 00:11:25.766 I'm thinking about another patient of mine, Priya, 00:11:25.766 --> 00:11:28.382 who is blissfully married, 00:11:28.382 --> 00:11:29.847 loves her husband, 00:11:29.847 --> 00:11:32.230 and would never want to hurt the man. 00:11:32.713 --> 00:11:34.831 But she also tells me 00:11:34.831 --> 00:11:38.005 that she's always done what was expected of her: 00:11:38.005 --> 00:11:41.685 good girl, good wife, good mother, 00:11:41.685 --> 00:11:44.677 taking care of her immigrant parents. 00:11:44.677 --> 00:11:49.189 Priya, she fell for the arborist who removed the tree from her yard 00:11:49.214 --> 00:11:50.675 after Hurricane Sandy. 00:11:51.524 --> 00:11:56.087 And with his truck and his tattoos, he's quite the opposite of her. 00:11:57.547 --> 00:12:02.769 But at 47, Priya's affair is about the adolescence that she never had. 00:12:03.753 --> 00:12:09.030 And her story highlights for me that when we seek the gaze of another, 00:12:09.030 --> 00:12:13.748 it isn't always our partner that we are turning away from, 00:12:13.748 --> 00:12:16.585 but the person that we have ourselves become. 00:12:17.728 --> 00:12:21.274 And it isn't so much that we're looking for another person, 00:12:21.274 --> 00:12:24.816 as much as we are looking for another self. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:27.045 --> 00:12:28.602 Now, all over the world, 00:12:28.602 --> 00:12:32.458 there is one word that people who have affairs always tell me. 00:12:33.030 --> 00:12:34.911 They feel alive. 00:12:36.046 --> 00:12:40.286 And they often will tell me stories of recent losses -- 00:12:40.286 --> 00:12:42.141 of a parent who died, 00:12:42.141 --> 00:12:44.341 and a friend that went too soon, 00:12:44.341 --> 00:12:46.141 and bad news at the doctor. 00:12:47.482 --> 00:12:52.138 Death and mortality often live in the shadow of an affair, 00:12:52.138 --> 00:12:54.608 because they raise these questions. 00:12:54.632 --> 00:12:57.536 Is this it? Is there more? 00:12:57.901 --> 00:13:00.957 Am I going on for another 25 years like this? 00:13:01.870 --> 00:13:04.362 Will I ever feel that thing again? 00:13:06.377 --> 00:13:10.788 And it has led me to think that perhaps these questions 00:13:10.788 --> 00:13:13.947 are the ones that propel people to cross the line, 00:13:13.947 --> 00:13:17.939 and that some affairs are an attempt to beat back deadness, 00:13:17.939 --> 00:13:19.735 in an antidote to death. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:21.999 --> 00:13:24.867 And contrary to what you may think, 00:13:24.867 --> 00:13:29.903 affairs are way less about sex, and a lot more about desire: 00:13:29.903 --> 00:13:33.392 desire for attention, desire to feel special, 00:13:33.392 --> 00:13:35.308 desire to feel important. 00:13:36.237 --> 00:13:39.247 And the very structure of an affair, 00:13:39.247 --> 00:13:41.499 the fact that you can never have your lover, 00:13:41.503 --> 00:13:42.938 keeps you wanting. 00:13:42.938 --> 00:13:45.959 That in itself is a desire machine, 00:13:45.959 --> 00:13:48.747 because the incompleteness, the ambiguity, 00:13:48.747 --> 00:13:51.522 keeps you wanting that which you can't have. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:53.641 --> 00:13:55.177 Now some of you probably think 00:13:55.177 --> 00:13:58.807 that affairs don't happen in open relationships, 00:13:58.807 --> 00:13:59.998 but they do. 00:14:00.432 --> 00:14:03.562 First of all, the conversation about monogamy is not the same 00:14:03.562 --> 00:14:05.743 as the conversation about infidelity. 00:14:06.468 --> 00:14:09.959 But the fact is that it seems that even when we have 00:14:09.959 --> 00:14:12.632 the freedom to have other sexual partners, 00:14:12.632 --> 00:14:16.720 we still seem to be lured by the power of the forbidden, 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:20.207 that if we do that which we are not supposed to do, 00:14:20.207 --> 00:14:23.006 then we feel like we are really doing what we want to. 00:14:25.331 --> 00:14:28.935 And I've also told quite a few of my patients 00:14:28.935 --> 00:14:33.536 that if they could bring into their relationships 00:14:33.536 --> 00:14:37.167 one tenth of the boldness, the imagination and the verve 00:14:37.167 --> 00:14:38.879 that they put into their affairs, 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.124 they probably would never need to see me. 00:14:41.148 --> 00:14:43.148 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:14:44.362 --> 00:14:46.647 So how do we heal from an affair? 00:14:48.428 --> 00:14:50.347 Desire runs deep. 00:14:50.371 --> 00:14:52.242 Betrayal runs deep. 00:14:53.266 --> 00:14:54.821 But it can be healed. 00:14:55.999 --> 00:14:58.920 And some affairs are death knells 00:14:58.944 --> 00:15:01.682 for relationships that were already dying on the vine. 00:15:02.753 --> 00:15:05.769 But others will jolt us into new possibilities. 00:15:05.953 --> 00:15:07.936 The fact is, the majority of couples 00:15:07.936 --> 00:15:10.150 who have experienced affairs stay together. 00:15:10.766 --> 00:15:13.399 But some of them will merely survive, 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:18.103 and others will actually be able to turn a crisis into an opportunity. 00:15:18.817 --> 00:15:22.460 They'll be able to turn this into a generative experience. 00:15:22.484 --> 00:15:26.198 And I'm actually thinking even more so for the deceived partner, 00:15:26.222 --> 00:15:27.558 who will often say, 00:15:27.558 --> 00:15:29.365 "You think I didn't want more? 00:15:29.365 --> 00:15:31.207 But I'm not the one who did it." 00:15:31.968 --> 00:15:34.110 But now that the affair is exposed, 00:15:34.110 --> 00:15:36.244 they, too, get to claim more, 00:15:36.244 --> 00:15:38.886 and they no longer have to uphold the status quo 00:15:38.886 --> 00:15:41.800 that may not have been working for them that well, either. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:44.221 --> 00:15:47.110 I've noticed that a lot of couples, 00:15:47.110 --> 00:15:49.251 in the immediate aftermath of an affair, 00:15:49.251 --> 00:15:53.587 because of this new disorder that may actually lead to a new order, 00:15:53.587 --> 00:15:57.169 will have depths of conversations with honesty and openness 00:15:57.169 --> 00:15:58.824 that they haven't had in decades. 00:15:59.743 --> 00:16:02.680 And, partners who were sexually indifferent 00:16:02.680 --> 00:16:05.279 find themselves suddenly so lustfully voracious, 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:07.814 they don't know where it's coming from. 00:16:08.568 --> 00:16:12.521 Something about the fear of loss will rekindle desire, 00:16:12.521 --> 00:16:15.840 and make way for an entirely new kind of truth. NOTE Paragraph 00:16:18.133 --> 00:16:21.004 So when an affair is exposed, 00:16:21.004 --> 00:16:24.165 what are some of the specific things that couples can do? 00:16:26.133 --> 00:16:30.204 We know from trauma that healing begins 00:16:30.204 --> 00:16:34.196 when the perpetrator acknowledges their wrongdoing. 00:16:35.339 --> 00:16:39.050 So for the partner who had the affair, 00:16:39.050 --> 00:16:40.582 for Nick, 00:16:40.582 --> 00:16:42.387 one thing is to end the affair, 00:16:42.387 --> 00:16:47.109 but the other is the essential, important act of expressing 00:16:47.109 --> 00:16:50.315 guilt and remorse for hurting his wife. 00:16:50.889 --> 00:16:52.264 But the truth is 00:16:52.264 --> 00:16:55.365 that I have noticed that quite a lot of people who have affairs 00:16:55.365 --> 00:16:58.463 may feel terribly guilty for hurting their partner, 00:16:58.463 --> 00:17:01.676 but they don't feel guilty for the experience of the affair itself. 00:17:02.135 --> 00:17:03.976 And that distinction is important. 00:17:05.230 --> 00:17:08.856 And Nick, he needs to hold vigil for the relationship. 00:17:09.253 --> 00:17:12.326 He needs to become, for a while, the protector of the boundaries. 00:17:12.326 --> 00:17:14.949 It's his responsibility to bring it up, 00:17:14.949 --> 00:17:16.929 because if he thinks about it, 00:17:16.929 --> 00:17:19.939 he can relieve Heather from the obsession, 00:17:19.939 --> 00:17:23.149 and from having to make sure that the affair isn't forgotten, 00:17:23.149 --> 00:17:26.332 and that in itself begins to restore trust. NOTE Paragraph 00:17:27.570 --> 00:17:29.429 But for Heather, 00:17:29.429 --> 00:17:31.174 or deceived partners, 00:17:31.174 --> 00:17:36.512 it is essential to do things that bring back a sense of self-worth, 00:17:36.512 --> 00:17:40.245 to surround oneself with love and with friends and activities 00:17:40.249 --> 00:17:43.652 that give back joy and meaning and identity. 00:17:43.936 --> 00:17:45.869 But even more important, 00:17:45.869 --> 00:17:50.772 is to curb the curiosity to mine for the sordid details -- 00:17:50.772 --> 00:17:52.969 Where were you? Where did you do it? 00:17:52.969 --> 00:17:55.991 How often? Is she better than me in bed? -- 00:17:55.991 --> 00:17:58.475 questions that only inflict more pain, 00:17:58.475 --> 00:17:59.959 and keep you awake at night. 00:18:00.674 --> 00:18:05.350 And instead, switch to what I call the investigative questions, 00:18:05.350 --> 00:18:08.650 the ones that mine the meaning and the motives -- 00:18:08.654 --> 00:18:11.127 What did this affair mean for you? 00:18:11.127 --> 00:18:13.899 What were you able to express or experience there 00:18:13.899 --> 00:18:16.154 that you could no longer do with me? 00:18:16.154 --> 00:18:19.186 What was it like for you when you came home? 00:18:19.186 --> 00:18:22.585 What is it about us that you value? 00:18:22.585 --> 00:18:24.737 Are you pleased this is over? NOTE Paragraph 00:18:26.404 --> 00:18:30.725 Every affair will redefine a relationship, 00:18:30.725 --> 00:18:33.607 and every couple will determine 00:18:33.607 --> 00:18:36.142 what the legacy of the affair will be. 00:18:37.649 --> 00:18:41.411 But affairs are here to stay, and they're not going away. 00:18:42.316 --> 00:18:44.959 And the dilemmas of love and desire, 00:18:44.959 --> 00:18:50.929 they don't yield just simple answers of black and white and good and bad, 00:18:50.929 --> 00:18:52.903 and victim and perpetrator. 00:18:54.221 --> 00:18:58.296 Betrayal in a relationship comes in many forms. 00:18:58.296 --> 00:19:00.650 There are many ways that we betray our partner: 00:19:00.650 --> 00:19:02.819 with contempt, with neglect, 00:19:02.819 --> 00:19:05.292 with indifference, with violence. 00:19:05.999 --> 00:19:09.437 Sexual betrayal is only one way to hurt a partner. 00:19:09.437 --> 00:19:12.041 In other words, the victim of an affair 00:19:12.041 --> 00:19:14.983 is not always the victim of the marriage. NOTE Paragraph 00:19:17.840 --> 00:19:20.048 Now, you've listened to me, 00:19:20.048 --> 00:19:22.423 and I know what you're thinking: 00:19:22.423 --> 00:19:26.197 She has a French accent, she must be pro-affair. 00:19:26.697 --> 00:19:29.999 (Laughter) 00:19:31.761 --> 00:19:33.265 So, you're wrong. 00:19:33.619 --> 00:19:35.174 I am not French. 00:19:35.666 --> 00:19:38.119 (Laughter) 00:19:38.143 --> 00:19:41.023 (Applause) 00:19:41.602 --> 00:19:43.269 And I'm not pro-affair. 00:19:44.674 --> 00:19:49.058 But because I think that good can come out of an affair, 00:19:49.058 --> 00:19:52.389 I have often been asked this very strange question: 00:19:52.413 --> 00:19:54.150 Would I ever recommend it? 00:19:55.514 --> 00:19:58.505 Now, I would no more recommend you have an affair 00:19:58.505 --> 00:20:01.049 than I would recommend you have cancer, 00:20:01.049 --> 00:20:03.752 and yet we know that people who have been ill 00:20:03.752 --> 00:20:07.950 often talk about how their illness has yielded them a new perspective. 00:20:08.569 --> 00:20:11.906 The main question that I've been asked since I arrived at this conference 00:20:11.906 --> 00:20:15.417 when I said I would talk about infidelity is, for or against? 00:20:16.488 --> 00:20:17.749 I said, "Yes." 00:20:18.162 --> 00:20:20.583 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:20:21.868 --> 00:20:25.505 I look at affairs from a dual perspective: 00:20:25.505 --> 00:20:29.153 hurt and betrayal on one side, 00:20:29.153 --> 00:20:32.509 growth and self-discovery on the other -- 00:20:32.509 --> 00:20:35.605 what it did to you, and what it meant for me. 00:20:36.621 --> 00:20:41.289 And so when a couple comes to me in the aftermath of an affair 00:20:41.289 --> 00:20:43.092 that has been revealed, 00:20:43.092 --> 00:20:45.420 I will often tell them this: 00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:47.825 Today in the West, 00:20:47.825 --> 00:20:52.704 most of us are going to have two or three relationships 00:20:52.704 --> 00:20:54.403 or marriages, 00:20:54.403 --> 00:20:57.538 and some of us are going to do it with the same person. 00:20:58.666 --> 00:21:00.911 Your first marriage is over. 00:21:01.633 --> 00:21:04.474 Would you like to create a second one together? NOTE Paragraph 00:21:05.164 --> 00:21:06.595 Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:21:06.619 --> 00:21:13.253 (Applause)