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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[THEME MUSIC]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.72,0:00:10.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Warren Allen] We have a really amazing panel here today
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.39,0:00:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to talk about a really important issue to technology and the law.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.24,0:00:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tonight we have, on the far left over here, your right,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.45,0:00:22.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have David Pashman, general counsel of meetup.com,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.40,0:00:25.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, one step over we have
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.55,0:00:28.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Althea Erickson, Policy from Etsy,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.91,0:00:33.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have Bruce Kushnick. Bruce what's your..
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.22,0:00:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Bruce Kushnick] New Networks.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.30,0:00:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Warren Allen] From New Networks,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.26,0:00:41.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A step further we have Jonathan Askin from the BLIP Clinic,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.45,0:00:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and lots of other endeavors. He's one of our advisers
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.56,0:00:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here at the New York Legal Hackers, and we also have
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.05,0:00:49.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moderating tonight, we haveNilay Patel,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.05,0:00:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's the editor in chief, newly minted, of, from The Verge
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.02,0:00:57.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So give them all a great round of applause and yeah, let's talk about net neutrality.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.42,0:00:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nilay Patel] So, just to get it started
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.06,0:01:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here I want everybody to sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.00,0:01:02.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,introduce themselves and do just a
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.06,0:01:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,couple minutes on background and sort
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.06,0:01:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of where where we begin on the subject
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.07,0:01:08.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we'll begin the debate. So
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.07,0:01:11.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jon take it away.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.54,0:01:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Jonathan Askin] Actually I'd like to find out who you all are too.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.52,0:01:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who's heard of the term net neutrality in the audience?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.08,0:01:21.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who has not? [Nilay Patel] They're my nerds!
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.21,0:01:24.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Jonathan Askin] Alright so it's more of tech-oriented crowd
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.08,0:01:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than I was thinking it was
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.08,0:01:29.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I'll give you two data points about myself. I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.09,0:01:31.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a tech law professor at Brooklyn Law School
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.09,0:01:34.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the University of London, but
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.09,0:01:38.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before that I was a D. C. tech policy
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.10,0:01:42.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lobbyist, an advocate, F.C. C. official.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.10,0:01:44.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I chaired Barack Obama'ss Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.10,0:01:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,governance working group during the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.11,0:01:48.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,08 campaign. So most of what I wanna
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.11,0:01:52.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk about is political dysfunction in
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.11,0:01:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Washington, judicial dysfunction in
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.12,0:01:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,America, technological inability to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.12,0:02:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resolve the net neutrality issues, and where
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.12,0:02:04.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we might try to go from here.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.79,0:02:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nilay Patel] Bruce?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.25,0:02:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jonathan just wants all the simple stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.12,0:02:15.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Bruce Kushnick] I thought we were going to have someone discuss what net neutrality is and all that.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.14,0:02:19.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nilay Patel] Why don't we just start with introductions, just to be on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.14,0:02:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Bruce Kushnick] My name is Bruce Kushnick. I'm the executive director Of New Networks.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.92,0:02:27.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been a telecom analyst for 32 years. And I just want to read you one
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.15,0:02:31.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing before we start. a rise in claims
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.35,0:02:33.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh, Verizon claims for net neutrality
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.59,0:02:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that essentially..
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.80,0:02:36.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[voice] Speak closer!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.44,0:02:40.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. Verizon claims that net neutrality is based on, sorry,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.37,0:02:43.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a sort rises Verizon has sued the F. C. C. to stop, uh,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.16,0:02:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the F. C. C. from changing whaCharlie what is Title I,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.17,0:02:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is information services into
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.17,0:02:51.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Title II which is atelecommunication service.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.17,0:02:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Verizon claims that if it was a Title
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.17,0:02:55.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mediation communicaservicecommunications service - Title II -
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.18,0:02:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would harm the economy, it would harm their
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.18,0:02:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,investment, and they've been saying this
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.18,0:03:02.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the last eight years. They told the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.18,0:03:05.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,court s that Title II would harm all of
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.18,0:03:07.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their investments in the United States and
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.19,0:03:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,slow down broadband. I read from Verizon's filing
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.19,0:03:14.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in nNew York for their cable franchise
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.19,0:03:17.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Legal authority to construct fiber to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.20,0:03:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the premises. Verizon New York is a
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.20,0:03:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,common carrier under Title II of the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.20,0:03:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Telecommunications Act of 1934
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.20,0:03:28.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constructing its fiber to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.21,0:03:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the premises network as an upgrade to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.21,0:03:34.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its existing telecommunications network."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.21,0:03:36.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words what Verizon has done is
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.22,0:03:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tell the F. C. C. that broadband is a
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.22,0:03:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,title oneTitle I service within, with
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.22,0:03:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet. and what it's done is on the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.22,0:03:48.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other side it said no it's title to Title II. And
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.23,0:03:50.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why they did this is because everybody
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.23,0:03:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the audience washo haas a phone line in New
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.23,0:03:55.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,York was charged for the deployment of
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.24,0:03:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the fiere optic wires. All of the POTS
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.24,0:04:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,customers - Plain Old Telephone Service
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.00,0:04:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,customers paid for the fiber optic
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.24,0:04:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wires, and that is why is Title II. So
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.24,0:04:08.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll be talking about how it's already
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.25,0:04:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Title II, uh, classified and that the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.25,0:04:14.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,F. C. C. - all they have to do is basically say
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.25,0:04:16.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's Title 2 already. Thank you very
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.26,0:04:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much, and open up the networks to competition.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.26,0:04:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Nilay Patel] Awesome. Althea? You want to jump up on it?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.26,0:04:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Althea Erickson] Sure. in the air I'm the directory C. R. for
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.27,0:04:28.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those who don't know and see is an
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.27,0:04:31.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,online marketplace where you can buy
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.27,0:04:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sell vintage and make goods from a
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.27,0:04:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,artist designers and collectors around
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.28,0:04:37.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the world. We have about one million
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.28,0:04:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sellers on at sea world wide and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.28,0:04:42.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together they sold over one point three
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.28,0:04:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,five billion dollars worth of goods
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.28,0:04:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last year that success would not have
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.29,0:04:48.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happened without net neutrality and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.29,0:04:50.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happy to talk about why German others
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.29,0:04:53.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proposal would really hurt both at see
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.29,0:04:55.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the company and also the million plus
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.30,0:05:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sellers you depend on our platform very
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.00,0:05:01.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well everyone my name is David
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.30,0:05:03.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,harassment on the general counsel of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.30,0:05:05.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Meta Meta is the platform that groups
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.30,0:05:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the legal hackers need a group is
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.31,0:05:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organised on the platform for people
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.31,0:05:12.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,across the world to join in existing
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.31,0:05:14.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,group or start the room group about the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.31,0:05:16.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interest and me in the real world and
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.32,0:05:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do great things like have a great time
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.32,0:05:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in south street seaport and more down
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.32,0:05:22.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,net neutrality. So my perspective on
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.32,0:05:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this issue is how the proposed rules
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.33,0:05:29.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would affect companies and consumers of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.33,0:05:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet services such as yourself and
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.33,0:05:34.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how we can work together to make sure
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.33,0:05:36.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the new rules protect innovation
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.34,0:05:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and companies right. So that's what
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.34,0:05:43.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distinguish down here so john you're a
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.34,0:05:46.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,law professor. So I'm gonna ask you to
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.35,0:05:47.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do the honours of times where we
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.35,0:05:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weren't twenty ten what happen with the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.35,0:05:52.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rule have in the core and where we are
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.35,0:05:53.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now with the new proposed rule I want
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.35,0:05:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do it in two minutes yeah yeah that
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.36,0:05:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go size you want would it be possible
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.36,0:05:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me to back this up to two thousand and
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.36,0:06:02.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,four and so that your for me at a
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.36,0:06:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terrible whatever yeah at the histories
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.36,0:06:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important I'll tell you why because I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.37,0:06:09.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of the problem. I'm gonna tell you
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.37,0:06:11.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I am a serious part of the problem
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.37,0:06:12.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it goes back about twelve years.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.37,0:06:17.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm part of the D. C. insider
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.38,0:06:21.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perpetual lobby machine problem anyone
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.38,0:06:23.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ever lot chart the lobby in Washington
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.38,0:06:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,D. C. any of you here that is right
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.39,0:06:29.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right yeah I mean D. C. yeah yeah that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.39,0:06:34.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Reg is the problem every big company
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.39,0:06:37.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in technology has a team of lobbyists
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.40,0:06:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in D. C. and no lobbyist gets rewarded
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.40,0:06:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for coming up with the right policy
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.40,0:06:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,result what they've got to do is
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.41,0:06:51.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,demonstrate to the home office that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.41,0:06:53.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are bringing value that they are
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.41,0:06:55.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moving the line of scrimmage that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.42,0:06:57.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're playing a perpetual function
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.42,0:07:00.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for their company victory means failure
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.00,0:07:02.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the lobbyist unless they can find a
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.42,0:07:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new that so not neutrality has been one
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.42,0:07:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of those battles that frankly the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.43,0:07:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lobbyists in congress have like that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.43,0:07:14.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around for the past ten years because
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.43,0:07:18.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no one in D. C. wins by final
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.44,0:07:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resolution of the net neutrality about
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.44,0:07:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I mean by that we can get
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.44,0:07:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,immigration reform done washington's
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.44,0:07:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is it a list essential issue we
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.45,0:07:30.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can't get an essay surveillance issues
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.45,0:07:32.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resolved in washington. D. C. this is a
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.45,0:07:36.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,list policy issue in D. C. next reality
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.46,0:07:38.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,believe it or not and some of you may
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.46,0:07:40.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanna disagree with that is nowhere
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.46,0:07:44.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,close to a list policy issue in D. C.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.46,0:07:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's an issue that doesn't necessarily
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.47,0:07:47.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clearly resonate with the American
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.47,0:07:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people it's not something that a normal
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.47,0:07:52.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,person in America can say it next
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.47,0:07:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,realities resolve this way think good
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.47,0:07:56.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things will happen if it's resolved
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.48,0:07:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outweigh the bad things will happen
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.48,0:08:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's very tough to communicate that
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.00,0:08:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concept to traditional americans and
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.48,0:08:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their congress doesn't really give a
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.48,0:08:06.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,damn about moving at each other with a
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.49,0:08:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,few exceptions what they do care about
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.49,0:08:11.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is using those B. list in see listing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.49,0:08:15.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,D. list tech policy items as vehicles
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.50,0:08:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to line their campaign coffers. That's
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.50,0:08:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we've got and now congress that's
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.50,0:08:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exactly lined up the big pockets on
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.50,0:08:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either side of this that you've got
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.50,0:08:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're at C. is now that they've got a
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.51,0:08:34.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I. I yeah I had ten years ago go one
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.51,0:08:36.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one policy person in D. C. and they
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.52,0:08:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were part of the battle against writing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.52,0:08:41.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contest for technicality. Now they've
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.52,0:08:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got an army D. C. also and I don't
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.52,0:08:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,necessarily want resolution of
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.53,0:08:48.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neutrality battle because it keeps them
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.53,0:08:51.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going. And it so so you got some people
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.53,0:08:54.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on one side mentality battle lining
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.53,0:08:56.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,half of congress some people on the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.54,0:08:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other side child about aligning the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.54,0:09:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other half of conversation the long as
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.00,0:09:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,counters and keep that functioning from
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.54,0:09:04.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,term after term after term. That's the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.54,0:09:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way that's the end keeping for congress
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.55,0:09:09.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh my gets a L. and there where there
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.55,0:09:11.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you guys actually run companies that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.55,0:09:14.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really depends on that neutrality and
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.55,0:09:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are the first false persons that C.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.56,0:09:18.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so tell me why are diverse party person
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.56,0:09:20.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's why you're fighting this battle
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.56,0:09:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is your first campaign. yeah so the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.56,0:09:27.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,focus that C. is making it a great for
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.57,0:09:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the people who sell things and in
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.57,0:09:30.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the in the people who buy things on it
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.57,0:09:33.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see so we have just over six hundred
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.57,0:09:36.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people that work at C. and one person
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.58,0:09:38.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,works public policy and to be honest
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.58,0:09:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the majority of my work is focused on
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.58,0:09:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,advocating for Eddie sellers net
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.58,0:09:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neutrality is happening to us and the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.58,0:09:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reason that we're so involved in it is
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.59,0:09:48.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we see it as a fundamental threat not
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.59,0:09:52.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only to see the company I guess just to
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.59,0:09:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,break it down we haven't really some
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.59,0:09:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of said what the chairman is
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.60,0:09:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proposing but basically the way the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.60,0:10:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet has worked so far under
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.00,0:10:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever roles that existed all traffic
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.60,0:10:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is treated equally on over the pipes
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.61,0:10:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that deliver internet's your home. So
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.61,0:10:10.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the at the same chances in you bag
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.61,0:10:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or some little tiny start of you never
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.61,0:10:14.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,heard of breaking their products
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.61,0:10:16.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directly to you in your home under the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.62,0:10:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proposal that chairman Miller has made
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.62,0:10:21.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a big companies would be allowed to pay
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.62,0:10:24.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for priority mister access to use the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.62,0:10:27.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consumer and so that means that not
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.63,0:10:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only that but startups really would
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.63,0:10:30.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to have a for the money in order
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.63,0:10:33.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to buy access to consumers we see that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.63,0:10:35.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a real threat not only these
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.64,0:10:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potential growth role low margin
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.64,0:10:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,business only take three point five
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.64,0:10:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,percent of every transaction there's no
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.64,0:10:43.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way we could pay for priority access
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.64,0:10:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that hurts not only see but also the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.65,0:10:47.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,million plus sellers you depend on our
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.65,0:10:50.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,platform who sites with load euros
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.65,0:10:53.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,images with load more slowly then say
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.65,0:10:55.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an Amazon or whatever goals promoting
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.66,0:10:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the company that okay so that's why
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.66,0:10:59.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're getting engaged with the egg as a
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.66,0:11:01.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fundamental Brenda you I. the R.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.66,0:11:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sellers and also to the startups that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.66,0:11:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,haven't even started yet sort of the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.66,0:11:07.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,next So I have to play devil's advocate
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.67,0:11:10.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here. Because that's my job was just to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.67,0:11:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're if on fantastic against it
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.67,0:11:16.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah I would say to you while it's
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.68,0:11:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better for a company like that seem to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.68,0:11:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be able to pay for priority access. So
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.68,0:11:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can compete with the Google that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.68,0:11:23.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has a C. D. and so you can compute
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.68,0:11:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amazon which ones against big A. C. D.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.69,0:11:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,N. why wouldn't you want the ability to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.69,0:11:30.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pay for faster access. also we can pay
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.69,0:11:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first C. D. I mean we have a choice a
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.69,0:11:34.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,C. D. as like a little bit wonky
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.69,0:11:37.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technical right but at the also Let's
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.70,0:11:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see as a constant leave or network so
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.70,0:11:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amazon runs and someone services which
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.70,0:11:43.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is I'm presuming at C. prior run some
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.70,0:11:45.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff on Amazon web services "'cause"
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.70,0:11:47.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every startup runs Amazons clout. So
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.71,0:11:49.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can pay Amazon for faster access
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.71,0:11:51.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's cloudy can they do look and wanted
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.71,0:11:52.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some data centres all over the world
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.71,0:11:54.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,secure contrast your argument is what
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.71,0:11:57.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you started a company in your basement
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.72,0:11:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just take a second casting your stuff a
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.72,0:12:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot faster without is added investment
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.72,0:12:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Amazon splattered rules what this
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.72,0:12:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the key difference is at the right
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.73,0:12:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now and any startup can pay Amazon or
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.73,0:12:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another C. D. N. to deliver traffic
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.73,0:12:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more quickly through the network.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.73,0:12:14.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However there are terminating map
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.73,0:12:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,monopoly that a contrast or a rice and
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.74,0:12:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have where they're the only way to get
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.74,0:12:21.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to an and user and that essentially
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.74,0:12:24.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,created a point where they can hold
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.74,0:12:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,content. And that I think the fact that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.75,0:12:29.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the those monopolies exist are why we
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.75,0:12:31.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worry about the the ability to charge
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.75,0:12:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extra to get to the users "'cause"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.75,0:12:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're the only one in the game right.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.76,0:12:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So maybe hear the general counsel I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.76,0:12:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sure you've that you talked about this
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.76,0:12:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of a big policy side a lot what
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.76,0:12:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's five your perspective on where
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.76,0:12:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the competition supply when you say the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.77,0:12:47.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,competition what you mean by
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.77,0:12:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,competition what more the idea that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.77,0:12:51.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's the facilities based consumer
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.77,0:12:53.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,market there is this sort of the the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.77,0:12:55.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,web services data distribution market
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.78,0:12:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right so ideally you need a competitive
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.78,0:13:00.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,market all points along teaching
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.00,0:13:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changing ideally you need a highly
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.78,0:13:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,competitive market it all points along
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.78,0:13:06.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that content delivery no work from the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.79,0:13:09.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,edge providers which is another one
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.79,0:13:10.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,teacher more use which are like the net
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.79,0:13:12.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flicks and the and designs and the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.79,0:13:15.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people that you think of as the cup are
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.80,0:13:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting the content to you all the way
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.80,0:13:20.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through what people call the last mile
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.80,0:13:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is you are your consumer internet
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.80,0:13:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,service like a rising by us for time
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.81,0:13:28.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Warner cable. So there needs to be
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.81,0:13:31.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,competition in all levels of that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.81,0:13:34.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,delivery or government regulation to
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.81,0:13:36.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prevent discrimination and so we
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.82,0:13:38.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,haven't really talked about what the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.82,0:13:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new proposal is and how we would
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.82,0:13:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attempt to regulate or not regulate the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.82,0:13:48.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,segment of internet delivery between
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.83,0:13:51.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the the access to the network and the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.83,0:13:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last mile so we should probably step
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.83,0:13:56.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back and talk about the distinction
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.84,0:13:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between title one entitled to well
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.84,0:14:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,means right so I guess it's highest
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.84,0:14:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,level of structure. well you mentioned
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.84,0:14:06.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that the rules that the chairman has
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.85,0:14:09.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proposed would allow the broadband
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.85,0:14:11.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access providers to discriminate
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.85,0:14:13.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discriminate against certain types of
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.85,0:14:15.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,traffic. And presumably that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.86,0:14:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discrimination would be price based so
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.86,0:14:20.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would allow people that could pay more
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.86,0:14:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for faster access the regime that we've
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.86,0:14:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been operating under a printable
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.86,0:14:29.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recently as defacto prohibited that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.87,0:14:31.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discrimination. So that all companies
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.87,0:14:34.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could compete equally by having their
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.87,0:14:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,content delivery along the same lines
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.88,0:14:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what the new rules the new rules
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.88,0:14:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,propose is that the broadband access
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.88,0:14:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,providers would be able to engage in
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.88,0:14:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certain types of discrimination. And
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.89,0:14:49.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the failsafe that we've been told by
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.89,0:14:51.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the F. C. C. that would present that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.89,0:14:53.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would prevent all the horrible things
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.89,0:14:55.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like people not being able to watch
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.90,0:14:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their networks or not be able to
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.90,0:14:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,purchase a nazi or not be able to
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.90,0:15:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access meet up is that there's this
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.90,0:15:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,test that they're proposing which would
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.90,0:15:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allow commercially reasonable in
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.91,0:15:09.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arrangements what prevent unreasonable
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.91,0:15:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arrangements and so the problem with
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.91,0:15:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is that no one knows what that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.91,0:15:16.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,means and it's incredibly difficult and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.92,0:15:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time consuming for companies to go
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.92,0:15:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the whole people process to
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.92,0:15:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,argue that something is unreasonable or
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.92,0:15:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,commercially unreasonable
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.92,0:15:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discrimination and so what we really
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.93,0:15:29.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need in addition to a competitive
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.93,0:15:33.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,marketplace or clear bright line rules
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.93,0:15:35.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that allow innovative companies and the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.94,0:15:37.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people that are going to invest in them
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.94,0:15:40.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to understand how these companies are
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.94,0:15:42.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to be able to access consumers
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.94,0:15:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and deliver their services right. So
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.94,0:15:47.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've saved arts Helga represented for
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.95,0:15:50.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last and I think what I'm teasing
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.95,0:15:52.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really you have networks in your in
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.95,0:15:54.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your company an example for the you
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.95,0:15:57.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,open by talking about how prize in is
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.96,0:16:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,jumping back and forth between two
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.00,0:16:02.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different regulatory regimes and there
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.96,0:16:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it I think you got title shopping
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.96,0:16:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recently kind of explain have arises
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.97,0:16:08.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using the system as it is now it's it's
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.97,0:16:09.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an advantage is that mean that's your
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.97,0:16:13.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,argument Um that's essentially what
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.97,0:16:16.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happened I just that that once that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.98,0:16:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lose some people to tell vacations that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.98,0:16:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nineteen ninety six it basically said
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.98,0:16:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a wire in your home you could pick
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.98,0:16:24.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your own internet provider you could
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.98,0:16:26.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pick your own work by you could you
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.99,0:16:29.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want cable provider it wasn't one
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.99,0:16:32.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company offering. So or services two
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.99,0:16:34.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thousand four on the Michael pile
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.99,0:16:37.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generate lapel the F. C. C. basically
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.100,0:16:41.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said no no on wire is basically one
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.10,0:16:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company's property. And essentially all
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.10,0:16:45.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the services on that all primary
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.10,0:16:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,services but your internet service you
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.10,0:16:49.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadband service cable service with by
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.10,0:16:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one company this was called vertically
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.10,0:16:54.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,integrating a product yeah that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.10,0:16:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Michelle use clause because there is no
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.10,0:16:59.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other way to get on the net you have
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.10,0:17:02.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one company that it you why the eyes
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.10,0:17:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people you want the matter doesn't if
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.10,0:17:05.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you had competition there would
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.10,0:17:08.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically be a a utility for you say
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.10,0:17:10.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know this guy's really over a
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.10,0:17:13.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little change companies. So well what
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.10,0:17:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we found basically is as follows
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.10,0:17:19.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right is claiming that to the F. C. C.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.10,0:17:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it's an information service what
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.10,0:17:23.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their service were left the vertically
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.10,0:17:25.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cradle of our products and we all that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.10,0:17:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why. They all the state however that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.10,0:17:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically it's a title to service
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.10,0:17:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,winningest telecommunications it's part
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.10,0:17:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the state ability and therefore
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.10,0:17:38.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their obligations that it should have
Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.10,0:17:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now or finding was the year two
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.11,0:17:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thousand six realise it was able to get
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.11,0:17:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,multiple rate increases from base to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.11,0:17:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,customers to pay for the fibre optic
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.11,0:17:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wires known as files they did this in
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.11,0:17:53.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every state however files is also cable
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.11,0:17:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,service and it looks like arises been
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.11,0:17:58.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,able to charge the the past customers
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.11,0:18:01.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the low income families seniors small
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.11,0:18:04.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,businesses for a cable service a
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.11,0:18:07.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadband service as well as the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.11,0:18:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connections the wireless service what
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.11,0:18:11.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we found was that the wires to sell
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.11,0:18:14.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flowers every cell towers basically is
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.11,0:18:17.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attached to wire with don't into cloth
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.11,0:18:21.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the local service and rises wireless
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.11,0:18:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies paying a fraction of the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.11,0:18:26.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cost. So we feel is as follows we got
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.11,0:18:28.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to hey it's already finds already title
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.11,0:18:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to it's already paid for by customers
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.11,0:18:33.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those that we should be reopened all
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.11,0:18:37.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,competitors need. So everybody who has
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.11,0:18:39.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a force to be able to get it including
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.11,0:18:41.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the commercial areas of the city of
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.11,0:18:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new York which are not part of the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.11,0:18:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,original franchise for for Kate
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.11,0:18:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moreover that you feel it's themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.11,0:18:49.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a fraction of what other companies
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.11,0:18:52.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would pay time Warner case a dollar
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.11,0:18:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,twenty four to itself for the use of
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.11,0:18:57.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its high speed internet it charges the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.11,0:18:58.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,customer an average of thirty four
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.11,0:19:01.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dollars if the networks were open fire
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.11,0:19:03.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mortars internet service we have to
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.11,0:19:04.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compete with everybody else to pay the
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.11,0:19:07.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,same amount. I. E. then there's money
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.11,0:19:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually build up a fibre optic
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.11,0:19:11.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,networks. So were suggesting is that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.12,0:19:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're only company that taking control
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.12,0:19:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the wire you to be separate from the
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.12,0:19:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wire. And that the wires that could be
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.12,0:19:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opened all competitors today there'd be
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.12,0:19:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enough money that's why are the rest of
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.12,0:19:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the state of new York and the rest of
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.12,0:19:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the country okay three there this just
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.12,0:19:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bundling is happening it happens in in
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.12,0:19:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the U. K. happens throughout europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.12,0:19:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And prices there are much lower in
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.12,0:19:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speeds are much higher then we could
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.12,0:19:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even dream up here so I wanna come back
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.12,0:19:42.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this I mean you said on and which is
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.12,0:19:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is and it's your one issue for
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.12,0:19:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people because I write about any saudi
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.12,0:19:50.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot I petitioned my readers of the
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.12,0:19:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,words like ward I'll the F. C. C. I
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.12,0:19:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,believe we crash the F. C. C. which
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.12,0:19:56.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,makes it very proud got bless for
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.12,0:19:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,traders the chaotic bastards they are
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.12,0:20:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they got like hundreds of thousands
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.12,0:20:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if not millions of comments and then
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.12,0:20:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under thousand and tons of phone calls
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.12,0:20:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yeah this public outcry doesn't
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.12,0:20:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seem to move the needle soon much why
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.12,0:20:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you think that it's well we'll see
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.12,0:20:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've never really seen anything like
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.12,0:20:18.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we said this once before. So I
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.12,0:20:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think this actually might be moving the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.12,0:20:22.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,needle in a way that the F. C. C. and
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.12,0:20:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,D. C. has net has never seen and never
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.12,0:20:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anticipated we we any don't two years
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.12,0:20:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ago with the so what about if you
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.12,0:20:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recall that was the first time that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.12,0:20:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a real genuine public out
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.12,0:20:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crying over and that's your exact
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.12,0:20:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,policy issue and it scared the crap out
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.12,0:20:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of congress I think this makes the same
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.12,0:20:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,result I don't know that the what what
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.12,0:20:45.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what comes of this is gonna be
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.12,0:20:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something have particularly good for
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.12,0:20:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people because I think this is a
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.12,0:20:50.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,country about where to turn. We can
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.12,0:20:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turn I don't know that yes he's gonna
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.12,0:20:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have this fine to on scramble the egg
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.12,0:20:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a pose again title to what tardy to
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.12,0:21:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call P. broadband networks
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.13,0:21:02.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telecommunications common carrier
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.13,0:21:05.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,services I don't know that is that is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.13,0:21:06.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gonna have the spine to do that. I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.13,0:21:09.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sure at this point the D. C. circuit.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.13,0:21:12.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the supreme court probably also do
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.13,0:21:15.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not have this fine because they think
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.13,0:21:18.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there I mean if you look at the D.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.13,0:21:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,C. circuit in which are three import.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.13,0:21:22.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They claim to be strict construction
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.13,0:21:24.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,estimates too difficult at this point
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.13,0:21:26.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for anyone to give inside the D. C.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.13,0:21:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,circuit and supreme court that there is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.13,0:21:31.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a plausible way to read the telecom act
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.13,0:21:34.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to allow for reestablished minute I
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.13,0:21:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't to with our yeah I I think so
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.13,0:21:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,short of congress revisiting the issue
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.13,0:21:40.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or probably short of a bona fide
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.13,0:21:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,antitrust battle against the cable
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.13,0:21:47.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,couples and the phone company cabal we
Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.13,0:21:49.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may be stuck in this yeah unknown
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.13,0:21:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,territory for next year yeah it's
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.13,0:21:55.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stunning vision of hope right or is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.13,0:21:59.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,title to I. S. O. the beginning it or
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.13,0:22:02.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is vital to it every document why has
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.13,0:22:05.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every cable franchise in every state
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.13,0:22:08.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have that be the thing the question
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.13,0:22:11.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is is did arising commit some kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.13,0:22:15.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,illegal or by not telling congress the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.13,0:22:18.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,F. C. C. or reports that is that works
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.13,0:22:21.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for title to continually told that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.13,0:22:23.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically they'll it would form the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.13,0:22:26.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,investment in their in their networks
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.13,0:22:27.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the same right is that about
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.13,0:22:30.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spending all this money on files. So my
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.14,0:22:33.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feeling is a alas we need to tell the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.14,0:22:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,F. C. C. it's already title to all I do
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.14,0:22:40.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do you do reclassified just say if
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.14,0:22:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I already rising why should we make it
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.14,0:22:45.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,final to for the rest of the networks.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.14,0:22:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well my cynicism is overstated I
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.14,0:22:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although on the guy who into that they
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.14,0:22:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work at the bottom administration
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.14,0:22:55.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crafting tax policy we believe them a
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.14,0:22:58.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moralising net neutrality as a
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.14,0:23:00.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,principle of this government we've got
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.00,0:23:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it just they're a bomb a walked
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.14,0:23:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the campaign trail as first
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.14,0:23:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,campaign and said no one is a stronger
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.14,0:23:09.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supporter manage reality I am and yet
Dialogue: 0,0:23:09.14,0:23:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here we are eight years later seven
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.14,0:23:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years later in this wondering that
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.14,0:23:15.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right we thought that the upon the F.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.14,0:23:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,C. C. what had this fine to one
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.14,0:23:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scrambled to set to reassert telecom
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.14,0:23:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authority over the broadband networks
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.14,0:23:26.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to recognise these broadband pipes as
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.14,0:23:29.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the telecommunications infrastructure
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.14,0:23:31.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digitally that without now if we get a
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.14,0:23:34.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,diligent cathy. I'm sceptical we're
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.14,0:23:38.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ever gonna get real I want pack that
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.14,0:23:42.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a little bit farther. And I wanna
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.14,0:23:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk about we were in detail but my
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.14,0:23:46.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question for you gave it is if you're a
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.14,0:23:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cable company if you're contest I think
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.14,0:23:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a problem. You can talk about
Dialogue: 0,0:23:50.14,0:23:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the rise in pipes and wires all day
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.14,0:23:55.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,long. But contrast exists and contrast
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.14,0:23:57.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the future right they're not gonna
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.14,0:24:00.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get smaller we only want to get bigger.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.00,0:24:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what they will tell you is that
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.14,0:24:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well we have a clear regulatory
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.14,0:24:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,environment we understand how this
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.14,0:24:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,works right now. And or investors are
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.14,0:24:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,betting on or increased ability to
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.14,0:24:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moderate size the types the ground
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.14,0:24:15.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now. And you change the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.14,0:24:17.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulatory environment we have to go
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.14,0:24:20.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through a title to reclassification and
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.15,0:24:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then get rid of all the rules that
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.15,0:24:25.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apply to nineteen thirty four telephone
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.15,0:24:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,service which is something we would
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.15,0:24:28.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to do for reclassified that our
Dialogue: 0,0:24:28.15,0:24:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ability to make money goes up in a
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.15,0:24:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proof of instability our pastors a walk
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.15,0:24:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,away what's a rule that gets you past
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.15,0:24:37.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is rising was really can propose
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.15,0:24:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the calm that I'm sorry. It's that's
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.15,0:24:41.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contrast what's rule you can propose
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.15,0:24:43.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the columns down comp cast in semesters
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.15,0:24:45.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're very already at this is a huge
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.15,0:24:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem I guess I would say it's the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:48.15,0:24:50.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rule of telling the truth because if
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.15,0:24:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were to say that that sorry a lie
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.15,0:24:56.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I and so there's there's there's two
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.15,0:24:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aspects of that the first general
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.15,0:25:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,principle that any changeable illegal
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.15,0:25:03.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regime is destabilising to the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.15,0:25:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,investment community and will result in
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.15,0:25:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their investors walking away is not a
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.15,0:25:10.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basis for a system of what rules have
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.15,0:25:12.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been changed before and this is not the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.15,0:25:13.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first time to do that so I don't think
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.15,0:25:16.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that investment expectation should
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.15,0:25:18.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constraint or hand copper regulatory
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.15,0:25:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agency or judicial decision the second
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.15,0:25:24.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,point with respect to them cleaning. Um
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.15,0:25:27.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is this stable clear
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.15,0:25:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulatory rule based regime is also on
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.15,0:25:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,true "'cause" they would be claiming
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.15,0:25:36.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that presumably well work title one and
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.15,0:25:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were prohibited from engaging in
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.15,0:25:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,commercially unreasonable
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.15,0:25:42.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discrimination but the truth is we'd
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.15,0:25:45.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had a day facto open internet that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.15,0:25:47.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neutrality system that basically is
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.15,0:25:49.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what companies like mine out the is
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.15,0:25:52.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arguing for all the time. So not to get
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.16,0:25:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the we of how the system was
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.16,0:25:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enforced and Claire what the system
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.16,0:26:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that existed before the the court
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.00,0:26:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decision in January was basically a de
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.16,0:26:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facto opener nana open internet order
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.16,0:26:10.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that treated contrast improvising as
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.16,0:26:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,title to common carriers and prevented
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.16,0:26:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the discrimination that we're seeking
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.16,0:26:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to prevent now by enacting these rules.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.16,0:26:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So both aspects of what they would be
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.16,0:26:22.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,claiming are just on true. So what what
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.16,0:26:24.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the rule yeah they're gonna keep
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.16,0:26:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,claiming it and they have a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.16,0:26:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,money to pay lawyers to claim it is
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.16,0:26:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,loudly as this those lawyers can what
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.16,0:26:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a compromise you could bring to
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.16,0:26:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those lawyers in the contest to
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.16,0:26:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually break through the large and
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.16,0:26:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,besides you're a liar which just trust
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.16,0:26:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me that would be my that would
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.16,0:26:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,undermine together she reality twenty
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.16,0:26:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different. I can tell you it doesn't
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.16,0:26:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work so I'm wondering what what we
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.16,0:26:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yours would be So I guess the first
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.16,0:26:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing to recognise is that the the
Dialogue: 0,0:26:49.16,0:26:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trajectory of trying to reach a
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.16,0:26:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compromise with the comp cast and the
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.16,0:26:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rise in the world I don't know what
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.16,0:26:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can be reached and I'm certainly
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.16,0:26:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not the person to negotiate that that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.16,0:27:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that but the rule that I would
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.00,0:27:03.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,propose which which I am on the record
Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.16,0:27:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as supporting would be the clear title
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.16,0:27:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to based commentary your regulatory
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.16,0:27:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scheme that prohibits price
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.16,0:27:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discrimination in requires all of the
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.16,0:27:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,carriers to treat all traffic people.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.16,0:27:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that is like that that might not be
Dialogue: 0,0:27:17.16,0:27:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a rule that cast likes but that is the
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.16,0:27:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clear rule that it basically enforces
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.16,0:27:25.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the date back to regime that we existed
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.16,0:27:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under since you know the the past
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.16,0:27:31.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,several years that existed before the
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.16,0:27:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,January court this right so yeah one of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.16,0:27:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the I'm curious your take on this as
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.16,0:27:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well also we were small company one
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.16,0:27:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have contest big concessions to the F.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.17,0:27:44.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,C. C. F. T. C. as they by time Warner
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.17,0:27:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or really tried by someone a cable is
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.17,0:27:48.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah well just agree that rule for a
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.17,0:27:51.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,longer period of time which if your
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.17,0:27:54.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comp cast is great because you're
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.17,0:27:55.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already making a bunch of money if
Dialogue: 0,0:27:55.17,0:27:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're activist is seems like licking
Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.17,0:27:59.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the can down the road because my son
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.17,0:28:00.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all systems are integrated years
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.00,0:28:02.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,readies with everybody and if you're
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.17,0:28:04.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying reach a compromise seems like
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.17,0:28:06.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hurry up and wait. So what's your take
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.17,0:28:09.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on their sort of we're gonna hold onto
Dialogue: 0,0:28:09.17,0:28:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this you let us by time Warner cable
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.17,0:28:12.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we'll keep the status quo for a
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.17,0:28:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little longer is that work for you or
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.17,0:28:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you think that it needs to be more
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.17,0:28:18.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadly applied it may be entitled to
Dialogue: 0,0:28:18.17,0:28:21.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ponder that I mean I just don't see how
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.17,0:28:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's a solution it does feel to me
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.17,0:28:25.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a kicking it down we the can down
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.17,0:28:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the road especially because you know I
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.17,0:28:29.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't I don't see their position
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.17,0:28:33.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changing more becoming more flexible as
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.17,0:28:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they get greater and greater market
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.17,0:28:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,share and become a stronger and
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.17,0:28:39.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stronger monopoly and so it seems to me
Dialogue: 0,0:28:39.17,0:28:42.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that at this moment where you have
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.17,0:28:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet rising up and saying protect
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.17,0:28:48.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our internet feels like the moment to
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.17,0:28:50.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say and to say you know tail to or what
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.17,0:28:52.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however you say I think you know where
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.17,0:28:54.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we fall out if we don't wanna live in a
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.17,0:28:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world of P. priorities each and we
Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.17,0:28:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't wanna that's not what we want
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.17,0:29:00.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them and if you can do it a different
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.00,0:29:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way than title to that's great it just
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.17,0:29:03.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't seem like you can and when you
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.17,0:29:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ask people okay you know if you take it
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.17,0:29:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it given you want no he prioritisation
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.17,0:29:09.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no block you know discrimination I can
Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.17,0:29:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find a way or that says you can do it
Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.18,0:29:15.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outside of I don't to were after me we
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.18,0:29:17.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could find one way or he said that this
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.18,0:29:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing was julie's jana Ascii any can't
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.18,0:29:23.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't away ready like one in the D.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.18,0:29:26.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,C. circuit courts a a right now no so
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.18,0:29:28.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,given that decision doesn't that say
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.18,0:29:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that compromise position doesn't
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.18,0:29:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exist right and then if you agree with
Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.18,0:29:36.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the principles of no pay prioritisation
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.18,0:29:38.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of black you know discrimination I just
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.18,0:29:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't see how you get right so this is
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.18,0:29:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my question for you Tom Wheeler I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.18,0:29:44.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sure you're listening to us right now
Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.18,0:29:47.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how does Wheeler john how does Wheeler
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.18,0:29:49.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get there "'cause" what is proposed
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.18,0:29:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now gets you two the three but it
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.18,0:29:52.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't get you away from pay
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.18,0:29:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prioritisation and he's heard this
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.18,0:29:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outcry. And one at what I'm ask you
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.18,0:29:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this panel over and over again is
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.18,0:30:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's the solution beyond title too
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.00,0:30:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how many people are sort of the social
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.18,0:30:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contract not true so that time Warner
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.18,0:30:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,social contract become cast social
Dialogue: 0,0:30:09.18,0:30:12.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,calendar ninety ninety five all of
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.18,0:30:14.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cable company so I agree with the F. C.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.18,0:30:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,C. they wanted more money from the
Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.18,0:30:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,customers so that they could upgrade on
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.18,0:30:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet service and broadband
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.18,0:30:23.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,service and why all the schools in
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.18,0:30:26.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their existing territories the contract
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.18,0:30:28.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was also get but the phone companies
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.18,0:30:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,five all the cable companies five
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.18,0:30:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dollars more a month per customer the
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.18,0:30:36.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paper this but not the the expenses was
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.18,0:30:38.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supposed to stop the U. two thousand
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.18,0:30:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the school's roles possibly are
Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.18,0:30:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfortunately after forty years we can
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.18,0:30:44.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find any schools the wire of this
Dialogue: 0,0:30:44.18,0:30:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contract nor did we see them stop
Dialogue: 0,0:30:46.18,0:30:49.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collecting the money. So from our
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.18,0:30:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perspective first question is is that
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.18,0:30:52.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they take the money through two
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.18,0:30:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thousand or two thousand fourteen. So
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.18,0:30:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,upgrade the networks the cup to what
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.18,0:30:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are the schools if they didn't
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.18,0:31:01.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well maybe that's negotiating what that
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.19,0:31:03.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should worry about so it was that
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.19,0:31:05.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the rise a wireless which has the do
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.19,0:31:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with rising wired has a deal with
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.19,0:31:10.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contest in time Warner that's the point
Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.19,0:31:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of their products in areas within a two
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.19,0:31:16.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,files. This is not so you're the number
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.19,0:31:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to compete clause meeting that in those
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.19,0:31:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,areas provides a wireless verizon
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.19,0:31:24.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,online of rise in the wire occur to
Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.19,0:31:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deal with the cable company to not to
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.19,0:31:29.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be. So if you talk about whatever
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.19,0:31:32.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comcast deal isn't it interesting that
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.19,0:31:35.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't stop all which this what I
Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.19,0:31:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the list cable T. so from my
Dialogue: 0,0:31:38.19,0:31:40.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perspective. We do before you go you
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.19,0:31:43.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to the dirty laundry. And area. So
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.19,0:31:45.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people know that things happen as
Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.19,0:31:47.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well as users the ghostly tools to
Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.19,0:31:50.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bring one that the in time Warner ale
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.19,0:31:53.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well deal the open the competition and
Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.19,0:31:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all internet providers that didn't
Dialogue: 0,0:31:55.19,0:31:58.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happen in only happened sporadically we
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.19,0:32:00.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should go back to say in those mergers
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.00,0:32:01.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they should have the networks opened
Dialogue: 0,0:32:01.19,0:32:04.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all competition I think question and
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.19,0:32:06.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this is why why answer. I think
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.19,0:32:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's clear that everybody hates it's
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.19,0:32:10.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of monopolies in the cable company.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.19,0:32:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So anybody lot here love the cable
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.19,0:32:13.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company anybody in your city leather
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.19,0:32:16.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cable. That's obvious that's where this
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.19,0:32:18.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feature is coming from and where this
Dialogue: 0,0:32:18.19,0:32:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,public animosity towards whatever's
Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.19,0:32:22.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening the F. C. C. is coming from
Dialogue: 0,0:32:22.19,0:32:24.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if you can't just find what they
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.19,0:32:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want they know the contrast want
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.19,0:32:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something and they don't want on gas to
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.19,0:32:29.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get what it wants the question is how
Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.19,0:32:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you turn that into something
Dialogue: 0,0:32:30.20,0:32:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,positive and you turn into something
Dialogue: 0,0:32:32.20,0:32:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understandable and how you turn it into
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.20,0:32:37.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something achievable in our current
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.20,0:32:38.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political fine. And that's what I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.20,0:32:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asking you to do alright. So so yeah so
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.20,0:32:45.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you will play out moderately
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.20,0:32:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,successfully over the next couple
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.20,0:32:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years. Uh the F. C. C. has to be a
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.20,0:32:53.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,goals that currently work you can use
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.20,0:32:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,merger conditions they can use the
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.20,0:33:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bully pulpit yet so they can use merger
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.00,0:33:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conditions and the bully pulpit and
Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.20,0:33:03.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,additional articulations is a couple
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.20,0:33:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other vehicles in which they can
Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.20,0:33:08.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extract temporary concessions from the
Dialogue: 0,0:33:08.20,0:33:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,phone companies and the cable companies
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.20,0:33:12.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ensure that they don't violate
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.20,0:33:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neutrality was upright like I think the
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.20,0:33:16.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big foam of because companies are
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.20,0:33:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scared to death about lacking the fact
Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.20,0:33:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the bigger problem. Then they want
Dialogue: 0,0:33:20.20,0:33:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,government to think there is so for the
Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.20,0:33:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,past ten years they've been pretty good
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.20,0:33:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actors. They've been trying to started
Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.20,0:33:28.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,indicate a garment there's no problem
Dialogue: 0,0:33:28.20,0:33:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here. And they freak out every time a
Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.20,0:33:33.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smaller internet access provider does
Dialogue: 0,0:33:33.20,0:33:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something wrong. "'cause" they say
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.20,0:33:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a bad actor demonstrated what
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.20,0:33:38.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be done we're not behaving that way
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.20,0:33:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trust as we're gonna be good actors
Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.20,0:33:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going power now. I don't think the F.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:41.20,0:33:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the is done enough in the merger
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.20,0:33:45.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,context I think to the extent they
Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.20,0:33:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supported every single vertical merger
Dialogue: 0,0:33:49.20,0:33:52.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know time Warner and second guess
Dialogue: 0,0:33:52.20,0:33:54.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A. B. C. being the most egregious of
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.20,0:33:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those I think they've done a disservice
Dialogue: 0,0:33:55.20,0:33:57.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the American people I think they've
Dialogue: 0,0:33:57.20,0:33:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got a figure out ways to vertically
Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.20,0:34:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,separate even if it's within the same
Dialogue: 0,0:34:01.20,0:34:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company the ability to provide access
Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.20,0:34:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the content that they were
Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.20,0:34:07.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,providing over the spikes and that may
Dialogue: 0,0:34:07.20,0:34:09.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mean coming up with something like a
Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.20,0:34:12.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,performance metrics process so company
Dialogue: 0,0:34:12.20,0:34:16.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as can offer and P. C. content. But the
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.20,0:34:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way they operate B. C. content is the
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.20,0:34:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way they've got a wall read every other
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.21,0:34:21.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,content provider out there they can't
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.21,0:34:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,give preferential treatment N. B. C.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.21,0:34:25.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,box need the same right of access
Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.21,0:34:28.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,network might have access Amazon prime
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.21,0:34:30.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need to say right of access so there
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.21,0:34:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were a couple tricks like that I think
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.21,0:34:34.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the S. C. has at its disposal that it
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.21,0:34:36.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can impose unless and until I think too
Dialogue: 0,0:34:36.21,0:34:38.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big thing one of two big things is
Dialogue: 0,0:34:38.21,0:34:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alternately gonna happen at some point
Dialogue: 0,0:34:40.21,0:34:42.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the American people are gonna recognise
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.21,0:34:44.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're boring so far behind the rest of
Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.21,0:34:47.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the world in our ability to encourage
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.21,0:34:49.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,startup enterprises here and to
Dialogue: 0,0:34:49.21,0:34:52.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,encourage consumer controller there you
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.21,0:34:54.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know video in internet experience that
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.21,0:34:56.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this could be a backlash either do we
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.21,0:35:00.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to trust laws or through re I new
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.00,0:35:02.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,statutory framework that will
Dialogue: 0,0:35:02.21,0:35:04.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reestablish commentary oversight over
Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.21,0:35:06.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet access for the broadband
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.21,0:35:11.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provider that answer now yeah it's that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.21,0:35:15.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's not being a direct yeah that's
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.21,0:35:17.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is super wonky right and this is
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.21,0:35:20.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the challenge. C. D. building the
Dialogue: 0,0:35:20.21,0:35:22.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political capital momentum to
Dialogue: 0,0:35:22.21,0:35:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accomplish one of two very want the
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.21,0:35:25.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outcomes. So I guess my question you
Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.21,0:35:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know these you got a big network about
Dialogue: 0,0:35:27.21,0:35:29.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,six hours and you're telling us that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.21,0:35:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is gonna deeply affect them if it
Dialogue: 0,0:35:31.21,0:35:33.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,breaks the wrong way how do you talk
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.21,0:35:35.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about it to them how you motivate them
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.21,0:35:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to go and participate in the process
Dialogue: 0,0:35:37.21,0:35:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah I guess one thing I'd say that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.21,0:35:42.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not a legal sort of compromise
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.21,0:35:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem it's a political problem and
Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.21,0:35:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is the solvable hopefully you know
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.21,0:35:48.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what someone all problems that we have
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.21,0:35:51.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started to organise and resellers as
Dialogue: 0,0:35:51.22,0:35:52.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,soon as they hear about it they're very
Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.22,0:35:56.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up that we have this sort of self
Dialogue: 0,0:35:56.22,0:35:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organised groups that teams there's a
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.22,0:36:00.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new team that just started around that
Dialogue: 0,0:36:00.00,0:36:03.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neutrality and I think you know one of
Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.22,0:36:05.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our goals is to start getting that
Dialogue: 0,0:36:05.22,0:36:06.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these sellers who would be negatively
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.22,0:36:09.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,impacted by these roles in front of the
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.22,0:36:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,F. C. C. in front of congress in front
Dialogue: 0,0:36:11.22,0:36:13.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the white house to say look you know
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.22,0:36:15.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this can happen in like all of this
Dialogue: 0,0:36:15.22,0:36:19.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of upset nist and and and anger
Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.22,0:36:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interactive is has a real impact I
Dialogue: 0,0:36:22.22,0:36:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guess is coming from a real place and
Dialogue: 0,0:36:24.22,0:36:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these rules will have a negative impact
Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.22,0:36:28.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on real small business owners and micro
Dialogue: 0,0:36:28.22,0:36:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,business. You know that's helpful
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.22,0:36:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,though because I guess I would just say
Dialogue: 0,0:36:32.22,0:36:35.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it these sellers aren't giving a
Dialogue: 0,0:36:35.22,0:36:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ton of money do various politicians in
Dialogue: 0,0:36:38.22,0:36:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,D. C. and the road the only wrote I see
Dialogue: 0,0:36:41.22,0:36:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you getting the rose we want is if it
Dialogue: 0,0:36:44.22,0:36:47.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody in the world saying one thing
Dialogue: 0,0:36:47.22,0:36:50.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except from cast brides in time or you
Dialogue: 0,0:36:50.22,0:36:52.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know like the five big companies or
Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.22,0:36:54.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever it is and I don't you know
Dialogue: 0,0:36:54.22,0:36:56.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's that's a job that we have to do
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.22,0:36:58.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between now and the end it here when
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.22,0:37:00.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they make the decision so I think this
Dialogue: 0,0:37:00.00,0:37:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,year we've actually borne witness to be
Dialogue: 0,0:37:02.22,0:37:05.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perfect political economic they're real
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.22,0:37:08.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,analogy. And then I I I we have to
Dialogue: 0,0:37:08.22,0:37:09.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,figure out the play this I think we as
Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.22,0:37:13.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a as a community so what happened over
Dialogue: 0,0:37:13.22,0:37:16.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the past year and word snowed in we
Dialogue: 0,0:37:16.22,0:37:19.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feel that the N. S. A. has been working
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.22,0:37:21.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with American based internet companies
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.22,0:37:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to reveal can suck consumer information
Dialogue: 0,0:37:24.22,0:37:27.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the government and as a result the
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.22,0:37:29.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rest of the world and many American
Dialogue: 0,0:37:29.22,0:37:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consumers imaging just freaked out this
Dialogue: 0,0:37:33.22,0:37:36.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,administration never really gave much
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.22,0:37:40.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political weight to the alternative to
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.23,0:37:43.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lead to compelling I I ended leading
Dialogue: 0,0:37:43.23,0:37:45.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the N. S. A. get access to internet
Dialogue: 0,0:37:45.23,0:37:49.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,data about consumers and tell it became
Dialogue: 0,0:37:49.23,0:37:52.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apparent that the rest of the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:52.23,0:37:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the internet companies were
Dialogue: 0,0:37:53.23,0:37:55.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,freaking out and it was going to
Dialogue: 0,0:37:55.23,0:37:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potentially me a multibillion dollar
Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.23,0:38:00.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capital flight from America to other
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.00,0:38:02.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,countries results pane or talk about
Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.23,0:38:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,building an alternative internet don't
Dialogue: 0,0:38:05.23,0:38:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use Google use the brazilian equivalent
Dialogue: 0,0:38:07.23,0:38:09.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to new companies that will sanctify
Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.23,0:38:12.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your privacy. So it wasn't until it
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.23,0:38:14.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,became an economic issue for this
Dialogue: 0,0:38:14.23,0:38:16.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,government that the government said you
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.23,0:38:18.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know we need to have this conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.23,0:38:20.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there was no counterbalance on
Dialogue: 0,0:38:20.23,0:38:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the N. S. A. issue yeah we've got the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.23,0:38:25.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potential to reframe what's going on in
Dialogue: 0,0:38:25.23,0:38:27.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that neutrality as a bona fide economic
Dialogue: 0,0:38:27.23,0:38:29.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,issue what we have on one side that
Dialogue: 0,0:38:29.23,0:38:31.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've got come cast Denver rise in an
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.23,0:38:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A. T. and T. wait infrastructure
Dialogue: 0,0:38:35.23,0:38:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,committee to america. They can help
Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.23,0:38:40.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,offshore their infrastructure directory
Dialogue: 0,0:38:40.23,0:38:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,structure existing here average not be
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.23,0:38:45.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scared about the rise in in a T. T. and
Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.23,0:38:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can't get taking their pipes in moving
Dialogue: 0,0:38:47.23,0:38:49.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the south America I think that
Dialogue: 0,0:38:49.23,0:38:50.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,America but not moving applies here.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:50.23,0:38:52.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They got a business here they're
Dialogue: 0,0:38:52.23,0:38:54.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,committed to that business here always
Dialogue: 0,0:38:54.23,0:38:55.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not necessarily committed to that
Dialogue: 0,0:38:55.23,0:38:57.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,business here. It's the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.23,0:38:59.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies without infrastructure. It's
Dialogue: 0,0:38:59.23,0:39:01.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the people selling online without
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.23,0:39:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructure the Netherlands just
Dialogue: 0,0:39:03.23,0:39:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,passed the legislation legislation this
Dialogue: 0,0:39:05.23,0:39:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,year moralising that neutrality in the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.23,0:39:10.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Netherlands to me that should be a red
Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.24,0:39:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flag to this government the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.24,0:39:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based companies at C. R. I think that a
Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.24,0:39:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community the media community might
Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.24,0:39:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recognise that the Netherlands might be
Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.24,0:39:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more viable place for them to do
Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.24,0:39:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,business because they're gonna have
Dialogue: 0,0:39:24.24,0:39:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their access to consumers over an open
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.24,0:39:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet then they will in America
Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.24,0:39:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's I think that's I think
Dialogue: 0,0:39:29.24,0:39:32.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ultimately gonna scare got what when
Dialogue: 0,0:39:32.24,0:39:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have their access to much smaller
Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.24,0:39:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,group of this I mean the another one
Dialogue: 0,0:39:36.24,0:39:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just wonderful I've been there I don't
Dialogue: 0,0:39:38.24,0:39:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remember much of it but it's a much
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.24,0:39:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smaller yeah and one of the the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:42.24,0:39:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet the N. C. company the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:39:45.24,0:39:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a user can be based in the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.24,0:39:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Netherlands and so one half of their
Dialogue: 0,0:39:49.24,0:39:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,equation has open access does that mean
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.24,0:39:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're gonna be curved rather
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.24,0:39:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,restaurant the might be some
Dialogue: 0,0:39:56.24,0:39:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,curtailment release one half of their
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.24,0:39:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pipe is open and that they have the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.24,0:40:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bike where the company that's so the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.24,0:40:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company with the trade that they could
Dialogue: 0,0:40:03.24,0:40:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still be selling to consumers in
Dialogue: 0,0:40:04.24,0:40:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,America there might be some push back
Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.24,0:40:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the American internet access
Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.24,0:40:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,providers but at least they know
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.24,0:40:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're working in he even that has so
Dialogue: 0,0:40:12.24,0:40:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one half their equation one half of the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:14.24,0:40:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one on one internet communications
Dialogue: 0,0:40:16.24,0:40:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experience is originating from a
Dialogue: 0,0:40:18.24,0:40:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,country with open internet principles
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.24,0:40:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no gatekeeper yeah and that's is
Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.24,0:40:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the sound work okay another way to look
Dialogue: 0,0:40:26.24,0:40:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at it is that yes the markets in those
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.24,0:40:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other communities might be
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.24,0:40:32.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,significantly smaller. But if you look
Dialogue: 0,0:40:32.24,0:40:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that better okay if you look at
Dialogue: 0,0:40:37.24,0:40:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the earlier stage innovation is
Dialogue: 0,0:40:39.24,0:40:41.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to happen it's entirely viable
Dialogue: 0,0:40:41.24,0:40:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it could happen in the smaller
Dialogue: 0,0:40:43.24,0:40:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,markets because that's a place where
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.24,0:40:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with open and then orders that are
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.24,0:40:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enforced by law those companies can
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.24,0:40:52.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,develop and and get to a scale that
Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.24,0:40:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then proves their viable as broader
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.24,0:40:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,businesses. So if you take a look at no
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.24,0:40:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't look at at C. today or me that
Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.24,0:41:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,today we'll get our company's in me
Dialogue: 0,0:41:00.00,0:41:02.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's case ten years ago when eddie's
Dialogue: 0,0:41:02.25,0:41:04.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,case maybe four years ago when they
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.25,0:41:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were looking to raise a small amount of
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.25,0:41:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capital and start a business. And know
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.25,0:41:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they would be able to go out and
Dialogue: 0,0:41:10.25,0:41:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reach all of the potential users on
Dialogue: 0,0:41:13.25,0:41:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,equal terms to Amazon and they could do
Dialogue: 0,0:41:15.25,0:41:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that for just you know of you not
Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.25,0:41:20.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,necessarily a few thousand dollars but
Dialogue: 0,0:41:20.25,0:41:21.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fifty thousand dollars or a hundred
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.25,0:41:23.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thousand dollars for a few million
Dialogue: 0,0:41:23.25,0:41:25.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dollars whereas if they have to compete
Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.25,0:41:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with an an design or or not or any day
Dialogue: 0,0:41:28.25,0:41:30.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would need tens of millions of
Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.25,0:41:32.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dollars to hire teams of wires and
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.25,0:41:35.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulatory attorneys to negotiate those
Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.25,0:41:37.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deals with contest. So don't just look
Dialogue: 0,0:41:37.25,0:41:39.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the ability of companies to reach
Dialogue: 0,0:41:39.25,0:41:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more kids when they're at scale but
Dialogue: 0,0:41:41.25,0:41:43.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at the market for innovation we're
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.25,0:41:45.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies are gonna need to develop
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.25,0:41:48.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their businesses what somebody inflate
Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.25,0:41:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,super doubles advocate if you're a
Dialogue: 0,0:41:51.25,0:41:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consumer. And you're watching you two
Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.25,0:41:56.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you won't be able to pay for you to be
Dialogue: 0,0:41:56.25,0:41:58.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,faster because it's the dominant market
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.25,0:42:01.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provider video streaming right it if
Dialogue: 0,0:42:01.25,0:42:04.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're a star to it's actually better
Dialogue: 0,0:42:04.25,0:42:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for you in in the market of many many
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.25,0:42:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,start ups to be able to dedicate some
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.25,0:42:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revenues it access in consumer faster
Dialogue: 0,0:42:10.25,0:42:12.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it's better for you to go towards an
Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.25,0:42:14.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,incubator I mean they're market
Dialogue: 0,0:42:14.25,0:42:17.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solutions stored we need faster access
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.25,0:42:20.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right so if there is a prioritisation
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.25,0:42:22.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the consumer might benefit because the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:22.25,0:42:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big companies to the consumer will go
Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.25,0:42:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,likely okay so they get faster service
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.25,0:42:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the little companies can find some
Dialogue: 0,0:42:29.25,0:42:31.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of market solution making getting
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.26,0:42:33.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together they can come the other needs
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.26,0:42:34.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be all you're shaking your heads
Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.26,0:42:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,American crazy this is what the cable
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.26,0:42:38.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies will tell you they will
Dialogue: 0,0:42:38.26,0:42:40.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually tell you this one is that some
Dialogue: 0,0:42:40.26,0:42:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crazy too because it's falls. Well
Dialogue: 0,0:42:43.26,0:42:46.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,below so so so you just presume that
Dialogue: 0,0:42:46.26,0:42:48.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just small imagine a point at the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.26,0:42:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,waiter was like it's false in the law
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.26,0:42:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,professors like let me tell you why
Dialogue: 0,0:42:51.26,0:42:56.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah yeah so that's I don't know what
Dialogue: 0,0:42:56.26,0:42:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those market solutions for the smaller
Dialogue: 0,0:42:58.26,0:43:00.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies would be because we're
Dialogue: 0,0:43:00.00,0:43:02.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about the market for capital to
Dialogue: 0,0:43:02.26,0:43:05.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paper prioritisation and small
Dialogue: 0,0:43:05.26,0:43:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies don't have capital to
Dialogue: 0,0:43:07.26,0:43:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,negotiate those deals and paper those
Dialogue: 0,0:43:09.26,0:43:11.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deals. So that's just calls that that's
Dialogue: 0,0:43:11.26,0:43:13.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more companies can find a market
Dialogue: 0,0:43:13.26,0:43:15.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solution and then adjusting the first
Dialogue: 0,0:43:15.26,0:43:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of your way which is that the
Dialogue: 0,0:43:17.26,0:43:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consumers benefit because well they
Dialogue: 0,0:43:19.26,0:43:22.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to to be able or or not like to be
Dialogue: 0,0:43:22.26,0:43:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,able to deliver their content faster in
Dialogue: 0,0:43:23.26,0:43:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a world of a prioritisation. Nobody
Dialogue: 0,0:43:27.26,0:43:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would have faced book we'd all be stuck
Dialogue: 0,0:43:29.26,0:43:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with my space "'cause" my space was the
Dialogue: 0,0:43:31.26,0:43:33.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,image content but they would you think
Dialogue: 0,0:43:33.26,0:43:34.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would about spending that you
Dialogue: 0,0:43:34.26,0:43:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gotta prove that you've gotta be able
Dialogue: 0,0:43:36.26,0:43:39.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to show the harm. okay there's
Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.26,0:43:41.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something called no I very quickly
Dialogue: 0,0:43:41.26,0:43:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,become the bad guy this. this is the
Dialogue: 0,0:43:43.26,0:43:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fast lane is the slowly in this the no
Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.26,0:43:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know I you have there's that we in
Dialogue: 0,0:43:49.26,0:43:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,literary with is we some choice you
Dialogue: 0,0:43:52.26,0:43:54.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now rice that is the plan is shot
Dialogue: 0,0:43:54.26,0:43:56.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of fifty percent of their territories
Dialogue: 0,0:43:56.26,0:43:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and put everybody on wireless eighty
Dialogue: 0,0:43:58.26,0:44:00.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,india's file to do the same thing with
Dialogue: 0,0:44:00.00,0:44:02.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the V. I. P. transition eighty eighty
Dialogue: 0,0:44:02.26,0:44:04.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,claims that in one of the I. P.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.26,0:44:06.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transition test where they wanna go for
Dialogue: 0,0:44:06.26,0:44:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I peter service they sort of sixty
Dialogue: 0,0:44:10.26,0:44:13.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,percent of the people in a simple car
Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.26,0:44:15.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he'll Alabama quickly it's good for
Dialogue: 0,0:44:15.26,0:44:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them to use the wireless no wireless is
Dialogue: 0,0:44:17.26,0:44:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of course have spent with caps and not
Dialogue: 0,0:44:19.26,0:44:21.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same speed and the local upgraded
Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.27,0:44:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you first even though that that upgrade
Dialogue: 0,0:44:24.27,0:44:26.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyway. So in rice is not upgrading
Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.27,0:44:28.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eighty percent of the disparities in
Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.27,0:44:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the state of new york. So vastly
Dialogue: 0,0:44:30.27,0:44:33.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sloppily we're stuck with no lay and
Dialogue: 0,0:44:33.27,0:44:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things you get slower because while
Dialogue: 0,0:44:35.27,0:44:37.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,society more expensive is gonna deal
Dialogue: 0,0:44:37.27,0:44:41.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's fast people er. So it's wanted
Dialogue: 0,0:44:41.27,0:44:43.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Google you two point because who
Dialogue: 0,0:44:43.27,0:44:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had a video product that they launch
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.27,0:44:49.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that ultimately you two why the
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Dialogue: 0,0:44:51.27,0:44:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ultimately Google decided to apply or
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.27,0:44:55.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was able to acquire I don't think
Dialogue: 0,0:44:55.27,0:44:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it was the better product label
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.27,0:44:59.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to demonstrate that it could grow and
Dialogue: 0,0:44:59.27,0:45:02.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,build user base in a world where Google
Dialogue: 0,0:45:02.27,0:45:03.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would've been able to pay for priority
Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.27,0:45:07.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access to its frankly crappy initial
Dialogue: 0,0:45:07.27,0:45:10.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,video product you to view knows better
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.27,0:45:12.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for consumers would never have I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:45:12.27,0:45:14.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm I'm just gonna push back and there
Dialogue: 0,0:45:14.27,0:45:17.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reality again but is it is that
Dialogue: 0,0:45:17.27,0:45:20.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,true is actually true is it probably
Dialogue: 0,0:45:20.27,0:45:22.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,true the back in you go very it was a
Dialogue: 0,0:45:22.27,0:45:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crap product that you will be a loaded
Dialogue: 0,0:45:24.27,0:45:26.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,faster than you two people would've
Dialogue: 0,0:45:26.27,0:45:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,used it more so there there are
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.27,0:45:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,definitely studies which show that it
Dialogue: 0,0:45:32.27,0:45:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,delay of milliseconds has a direct
Dialogue: 0,0:45:35.27,0:45:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,negative impact on revenue not only at
Dialogue: 0,0:45:38.27,0:45:40.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the moment of decision making on the
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.27,0:45:43.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consumer side but also one last thing
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Dialogue: 0,0:45:46.27,0:45:49.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,matter there but you read the content
Dialogue: 0,0:45:49.27,0:45:51.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right so people wait on you too because
Dialogue: 0,0:45:51.28,0:45:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's where the stuff is this is a
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.28,0:45:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consumer keen was like an on a video
Dialogue: 0,0:45:57.28,0:46:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's a just a second longer to load
Dialogue: 0,0:46:00.00,0:46:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're gonna click away from ninety to
Dialogue: 0,0:46:01.28,0:46:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but even you choose not gonna be able
Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.28,0:46:04.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to build a user creates whatever their
Dialogue: 0,0:46:04.28,0:46:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their product depends on the ability to
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.28,0:46:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,load. sure so maybe I'm gonna keep
Dialogue: 0,0:46:09.28,0:46:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going down this road because I cover
Dialogue: 0,0:46:11.28,0:46:13.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,startup something wrong. And I got a
Dialogue: 0,0:46:13.28,0:46:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big companies all day long and there
Dialogue: 0,0:46:14.28,0:46:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are many barriers for start up to
Dialogue: 0,0:46:16.28,0:46:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,overcome the costs money you wanna go
Dialogue: 0,0:46:18.28,0:46:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compete in the market you wanna be the
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.28,0:46:22.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asteroid you need a beautiful icon
Dialogue: 0,0:46:22.28,0:46:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right that's a thing you need you need
Dialogue: 0,0:46:24.28,0:46:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beautiful you access things cost lots
Dialogue: 0,0:46:26.28,0:46:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and lots of money to see if the cost
Dialogue: 0,0:46:28.28,0:46:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lots and lots of effort. Why should
Dialogue: 0,0:46:30.28,0:46:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access P. just another cost of doing
Dialogue: 0,0:46:33.28,0:46:36.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,business market. So so I guess research
Dialogue: 0,0:46:36.28,0:46:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on it and can probably explain this
Dialogue: 0,0:46:38.28,0:46:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better from a telecommunications law
Dialogue: 0,0:46:40.28,0:46:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perspective but there is no monopoly
Dialogue: 0,0:46:43.28,0:46:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being controlled by or or rather you
Dialogue: 0,0:46:46.28,0:46:49.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know there is no show point on on icons
Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.28,0:46:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the artist or there's no choice
Dialogue: 0,0:46:51.28,0:46:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,choke point on engineers there is a
Dialogue: 0,0:46:53.28,0:46:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,highly competitive market for talent
Dialogue: 0,0:46:56.28,0:46:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for all of the other things that
Dialogue: 0,0:46:57.28,0:46:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need in order to compete
Dialogue: 0,0:46:59.28,0:47:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,successfully as an entrepreneur as a
Dialogue: 0,0:47:01.28,0:47:04.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,store issue of open access in that
Dialogue: 0,0:47:04.28,0:47:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neutrality is that it broadband access
Dialogue: 0,0:47:07.28,0:47:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,providers have this show called on the
Dialogue: 0,0:47:09.28,0:47:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet service they are in fact
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.28,0:47:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,monopoly or do apply and that is why
Dialogue: 0,0:47:15.28,0:47:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they need to be regulated as public
Dialogue: 0,0:47:17.28,0:47:19.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,utilities as common carriers there are
Dialogue: 0,0:47:19.28,0:47:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,absolutely many things that you need to
Dialogue: 0,0:47:21.28,0:47:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be successful as a company that you
Dialogue: 0,0:47:23.28,0:47:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need money to buy but those things are
Dialogue: 0,0:47:25.28,0:47:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not being controlled by a small number
Dialogue: 0,0:47:28.28,0:47:32.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of companies so but let me give you I
Dialogue: 0,0:47:32.28,0:47:35.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that really no no one class it's not
Dialogue: 0,0:47:35.28,0:47:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,often forgets what it public then it's
Dialogue: 0,0:47:38.28,0:47:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,okay there is this these people are
Dialogue: 0,0:47:40.29,0:47:46.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drug sorry I but that what we wanted
Dialogue: 0,0:47:46.29,0:47:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say it's a wireless which is something
Dialogue: 0,0:47:47.29,0:47:49.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has come up and just you guys know
Dialogue: 0,0:47:49.29,0:47:52.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now wireless is not regulated
Dialogue: 0,0:47:52.29,0:47:54.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even is loosely as wire line services.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:54.29,0:47:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So company like T. mobile. They make
Dialogue: 0,0:47:57.29,0:47:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,announcements that are sensibly
Dialogue: 0,0:47:58.29,0:48:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wonderful for the consumer like music
Dialogue: 0,0:48:01.29,0:48:03.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unlimited security mobile customer you
Dialogue: 0,0:48:03.29,0:48:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can stream is much spot advise you want
Dialogue: 0,0:48:05.29,0:48:07.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can stream is much already owes you
Dialogue: 0,0:48:07.29,0:48:09.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want as a handful of other services
Dialogue: 0,0:48:09.29,0:48:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involved this deal and they just
Dialogue: 0,0:48:10.29,0:48:14.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decided by the exclude this service
Dialogue: 0,0:48:14.29,0:48:17.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that to me on its face is a
Dialogue: 0,0:48:17.29,0:48:18.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,violation of every principle we just
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.29,0:48:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talked about right there prioritising
Dialogue: 0,0:48:20.29,0:48:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,icon set in there saying we're not
Dialogue: 0,0:48:23.29,0:48:25.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gonna charge against your cap for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:25.29,0:48:27.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as a consumer that's great because
Dialogue: 0,0:48:27.29,0:48:29.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you are a lower income customer T.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:29.29,0:48:31.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mobile an match a primer access device
Dialogue: 0,0:48:31.29,0:48:34.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just got free music. So where is
Dialogue: 0,0:48:34.29,0:48:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where is the balance so you're
Dialogue: 0,0:48:36.29,0:48:38.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,demonstrating the value of the wire
Dialogue: 0,0:48:38.29,0:48:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,line broadband network. T. mobile is
Dialogue: 0,0:48:40.29,0:48:43.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the exception proving these I the
Dialogue: 0,0:48:43.29,0:48:45.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potential for success in the wire line
Dialogue: 0,0:48:45.29,0:48:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but where the hell is the T. mobile of
Dialogue: 0,0:48:47.29,0:48:50.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while I'm right there that dilemma you
Dialogue: 0,0:48:50.29,0:48:53.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,T. mobile lady evolves in America the
Dialogue: 0,0:48:53.29,0:48:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,competitive check on B. monopoly on the
Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.29,0:49:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the topic wireless cabal back in
Dialogue: 0,0:49:01.29,0:49:02.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Germany team or or all the way the
Dialogue: 0,0:49:02.29,0:49:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cabal now that's what I wanna be clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:05.29,0:49:09.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a well I yeah I got wire line
Dialogue: 0,0:49:09.29,0:49:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eighteen C. and wire line or rise in
Dialogue: 0,0:49:12.30,0:49:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which both own which only two largest
Dialogue: 0,0:49:14.30,0:49:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wireless now without without T. mobile
Dialogue: 0,0:49:18.30,0:49:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and without sprains. We would see in
Dialogue: 0,0:49:20.30,0:49:23.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the wireless world exactly what we see
Dialogue: 0,0:49:23.30,0:49:27.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the wire line world so I say the
Dialogue: 0,0:49:27.30,0:49:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,answer may be great. T. mobile of wire
Dialogue: 0,0:49:30.30,0:49:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,line but eighteen T. con Casper eyes
Dialogue: 0,0:49:32.30,0:49:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and won't let that happen every time
Dialogue: 0,0:49:35.30,0:49:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyone has tried to try to insinuate a
Dialogue: 0,0:49:38.30,0:49:41.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,competitive jack on wire line broadband
Dialogue: 0,0:49:41.30,0:49:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rise and has gone screaming to the
Dialogue: 0,0:49:43.30,0:49:46.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,state legislatures and take much saying
Dialogue: 0,0:49:46.30,0:49:49.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a lot of you know other members
Dialogue: 0,0:49:49.30,0:49:51.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Philadelphia try to create a municipal
Dialogue: 0,0:49:51.30,0:49:53.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadband network alright and what
Dialogue: 0,0:49:53.30,0:49:56.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happens they got in Philadelphia rising
Dialogue: 0,0:49:56.30,0:50:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,goes to to Harrisburg and cries bloody
Dialogue: 0,0:50:00.00,0:50:02.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,murder to the state legislature and
Dialogue: 0,0:50:02.30,0:50:05.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they outlawed municipal broadband
Dialogue: 0,0:50:05.30,0:50:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,municipal broadband in drop and so they
Dialogue: 0,0:50:08.30,0:50:09.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gave checks to everybody in the
Dialogue: 0,0:50:09.30,0:50:11.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,legislature too but would just you know
Dialogue: 0,0:50:11.30,0:50:15.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so yeah I had mixed yeah so few years
Dialogue: 0,0:50:15.30,0:50:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ago I go goal was considering bidding
Dialogue: 0,0:50:20.30,0:50:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for broadband wireless back yeah I I
Dialogue: 0,0:50:24.30,0:50:25.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something called the yeah there was
Dialogue: 0,0:50:25.30,0:50:27.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this one big wires up to the rig think
Dialogue: 0,0:50:27.30,0:50:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about bidding for big buttons like they
Dialogue: 0,0:50:29.30,0:50:31.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did not I did not win that spectrum
Dialogue: 0,0:50:31.30,0:50:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,instead of rising eighty got the
Dialogue: 0,0:50:33.30,0:50:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,preponderance of that new broadband
Dialogue: 0,0:50:35.30,0:50:36.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tracking which is being used for for G.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:36.30,0:50:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I. broadband networks yeah no I had
Dialogue: 0,0:50:38.30,0:50:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mixed reactions about whether I wanted
Dialogue: 0,0:50:40.30,0:50:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Google to win that's back in one regard
Dialogue: 0,0:50:43.30,0:50:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least in the short run Google could
Dialogue: 0,0:50:45.30,0:50:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very well have been that T. mobile
Dialogue: 0,0:50:48.30,0:50:51.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,abroad and check on the rise in and
Dialogue: 0,0:50:51.30,0:50:55.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eighteen T. network I have some
Dialogue: 0,0:50:55.30,0:50:56.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concerns that they probably would been
Dialogue: 0,0:50:56.30,0:50:59.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,co opted by the power wire So I would
Dialogue: 0,0:50:59.30,0:51:01.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually argue it's a durable that
Dialogue: 0,0:51:01.31,0:51:04.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,completely co opted that option so I
Dialogue: 0,0:51:04.31,0:51:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mean and packed the story very quickly
Dialogue: 0,0:51:06.31,0:51:09.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we gave up a big chunk what image H. T.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:09.31,0:51:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,television we get a big chunk of
Dialogue: 0,0:51:10.31,0:51:12.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,analogue T. V. spectra. And lease
Dialogue: 0,0:51:12.31,0:51:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resold it basically to build a high
Dialogue: 0,0:51:15.31,0:51:17.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speed wireless networks double lobbied
Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.31,0:51:20.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very successfully for traditional that
Dialogue: 0,0:51:20.31,0:51:22.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,option to be open access so that
Dialogue: 0,0:51:22.31,0:51:24.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whoever built a network on that
Dialogue: 0,0:51:24.31,0:51:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spectrum we have to any device connect
Dialogue: 0,0:51:26.31,0:51:28.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to it and the that the provision was
Dialogue: 0,0:51:28.31,0:51:31.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,triggered a certain dollar number us a
Dialogue: 0,0:51:31.31,0:51:33.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,double bid to make sure that hit the
Dialogue: 0,0:51:33.31,0:51:36.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,number their final bit was applied
Dialogue: 0,0:51:36.31,0:51:37.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,billion dollars three point one four
Dialogue: 0,0:51:37.31,0:51:40.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one five billion dollars a bunch of
Dialogue: 0,0:51:40.31,0:51:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people warrior nerds like high five do
Dialogue: 0,0:51:42.31,0:51:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much of the bigger than that happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:43.31,0:51:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then rising one and it was fine as
Dialogue: 0,0:51:45.31,0:51:48.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always what rising when but if you're
Dialogue: 0,0:51:48.31,0:51:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like me in your tech report or you
Dialogue: 0,0:51:49.31,0:51:52.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remember that what happened next is a
Dialogue: 0,0:51:52.31,0:51:53.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,double very desperately wanted to
Dialogue: 0,0:51:53.31,0:51:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compete with the ice and and they want
Dialogue: 0,0:51:56.31,0:51:58.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to put out and and rates on it at the
Dialogue: 0,0:51:58.31,0:52:00.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quality and scale that they needed it
Dialogue: 0,0:52:00.00,0:52:02.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be with the arts and yeah but I was
Dialogue: 0,0:52:02.31,0:52:04.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not available on the rise and so double
Dialogue: 0,0:52:04.31,0:52:07.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cut it deal with arise in so wants to
Dialogue: 0,0:52:07.31,0:52:09.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drive product Motorola in immediately
Dialogue: 0,0:52:09.31,0:52:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,walked back all over net italian
Dialogue: 0,0:52:11.31,0:52:13.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,principles and rising which one the
Dialogue: 0,0:52:13.31,0:52:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,option there's no way the that open
Dialogue: 0,0:52:15.31,0:52:17.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access provision applies to rise and
Dialogue: 0,0:52:17.31,0:52:19.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's no way to get a network device
Dialogue: 0,0:52:19.31,0:52:22.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and horizons so you can try you can go
Dialogue: 0,0:52:22.31,0:52:23.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there story can scream bloody murder
Dialogue: 0,0:52:23.31,0:52:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get a sim card and all the stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:52:25.31,0:52:27.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they won't work and Google has no
Dialogue: 0,0:52:27.31,0:52:29.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested by the only company only
Dialogue: 0,0:52:29.31,0:52:31.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,party it's interested in such a
Dialogue: 0,0:52:31.32,0:52:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provision and they don't care because
Dialogue: 0,0:52:32.32,0:52:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or sign millions of entering. So yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:52:35.32,0:52:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they got caught by the web completely
Dialogue: 0,0:52:37.32,0:52:39.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the dark side what what anyone like
Dialogue: 0,0:52:39.32,0:52:40.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say with the cable company would a
Dialogue: 0,0:52:40.32,0:52:43.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you yeah I mean that's this is a
Dialogue: 0,0:52:43.32,0:52:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feature rubber system right it's
Dialogue: 0,0:52:45.32,0:52:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,designed what these companies make
Dialogue: 0,0:52:47.32,0:52:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,money. So how do you bring the consumer
Dialogue: 0,0:52:49.32,0:52:51.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interest into it in a way to can fight
Dialogue: 0,0:52:51.32,0:52:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of this money. goal is always
Dialogue: 0,0:52:55.32,0:52:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ultimately let the remark rebel when
Dialogue: 0,0:52:57.32,0:52:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're free market can prevail budding
Dialogue: 0,0:52:59.32,0:53:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,baited pointed to be it resolved all
Dialogue: 0,0:53:02.32,0:53:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem where we need is very limited
Dialogue: 0,0:53:04.32,0:53:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,government intercession and that's
Dialogue: 0,0:53:07.32,0:53:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where there is at best two choices in
Dialogue: 0,0:53:11.32,0:53:13.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the last mile for consumer access you
Dialogue: 0,0:53:13.32,0:53:15.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got an infinite supply of internet
Dialogue: 0,0:53:15.32,0:53:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies desperate to reach you but
Dialogue: 0,0:53:18.32,0:53:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the fact that they have to
Dialogue: 0,0:53:19.32,0:53:22.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gatekeepers to go through and without a
Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.32,0:53:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just a smidgen of government oversight
Dialogue: 0,0:53:24.32,0:53:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they will extract you serious revenues
Dialogue: 0,0:53:26.32,0:53:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right up to the point where becomes the
Dialogue: 0,0:53:29.32,0:53:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet companies that way that's
Dialogue: 0,0:53:31.32,0:53:33.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost more than I want to pay but it's
Dialogue: 0,0:53:33.32,0:53:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just low enough that I guess I got pay
Dialogue: 0,0:53:35.32,0:53:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"'cause" I need and that's the mark
Dialogue: 0,0:53:37.32,0:53:39.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's what the pretty market will
Dialogue: 0,0:53:39.32,0:53:41.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,result in without any oversight over
Dialogue: 0,0:53:41.32,0:53:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the gatekeeper to so how B. B. on
Dialogue: 0,0:53:45.32,0:53:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unbundling how would you guys propose
Dialogue: 0,0:53:47.32,0:53:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creating a real combat or to con cast
Dialogue: 0,0:53:50.32,0:53:51.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rise in time one or is there a way to
Dialogue: 0,0:53:51.32,0:53:56.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do it. Well I just I think it's
Dialogue: 0,0:53:56.32,0:53:58.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political suicide so try something
Dialogue: 0,0:53:58.32,0:54:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,else. yeah but I think it's a light
Dialogue: 0,0:54:04.32,0:54:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,touch title so what are you with that
Dialogue: 0,0:54:05.32,0:54:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neutrality being memorialised entitled
Dialogue: 0,0:54:07.32,0:54:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to not entitle one in section seven is
Dialogue: 0,0:54:09.32,0:54:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay I mean troll that sign for for
Dialogue: 0,0:54:16.32,0:54:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions so yeah is it just yeah or
Dialogue: 0,0:54:26.33,0:54:30.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I believe is political suicide to
Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.33,0:54:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try unbundling we believe it won't work
Dialogue: 0,0:54:32.33,0:54:36.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I I I will tell you that every lawmaker
Dialogue: 0,0:54:36.33,0:54:38.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I talked to knows that the American
Dialogue: 0,0:54:38.33,0:54:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people want this and know that they
Dialogue: 0,0:54:40.33,0:54:43.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will get run either extremely to the
Dialogue: 0,0:54:43.33,0:54:45.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,middle on the issue where they run out
Dialogue: 0,0:54:45.33,0:54:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the republican party. That's what's
Dialogue: 0,0:54:47.33,0:54:50.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gonna so on that extraordinarily
Dialogue: 0,0:54:50.33,0:54:52.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cheerful note. What's what six
Dialogue: 0,0:54:52.33,0:54:56.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions questions are to the yeah so
Dialogue: 0,0:54:56.33,0:54:58.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that down to hear you wanna ask a
Dialogue: 0,0:54:58.33,0:55:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question. And I'd like to get things
Dialogue: 0,0:55:01.33,0:55:05.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,off a ways I'm from the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:55:05.33,0:55:11.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,society no one ago it's or or bourbon
Dialogue: 0,0:55:11.33,0:55:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,street go speaker. So and why you and
Dialogue: 0,0:55:14.33,0:55:17.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she talked about how impacting your
Dialogue: 0,0:55:17.33,0:55:20.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weather happy young probably because
Dialogue: 0,0:55:20.33,0:55:21.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all these there's a lot more
Dialogue: 0,0:55:21.33,0:55:23.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,competition it's a lot cheaper because
Dialogue: 0,0:55:23.33,0:55:25.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these guys are struggling to make the
Dialogue: 0,0:55:25.33,0:55:28.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most money oh that you know where to
Dialogue: 0,0:55:28.33,0:55:30.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,buy more don't you know what practise
Dialogue: 0,0:55:30.33,0:55:33.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is going on over there than here where
Dialogue: 0,0:55:33.33,0:55:35.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know these incumbents like a little
Dialogue: 0,0:55:35.33,0:55:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capacity they want there is no
Dialogue: 0,0:55:37.33,0:55:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,congestion. And and so they don't
Dialogue: 0,0:55:40.33,0:55:43.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really have any any real reason apart
Dialogue: 0,0:55:43.33,0:55:45.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perhaps you know locking them so they
Dialogue: 0,0:55:45.33,0:55:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can look a bit of money from from the
Dialogue: 0,0:55:47.33,0:55:49.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,likes of net flicks too much to
Dialogue: 0,0:55:49.33,0:55:51.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually do any net neutrality so there
Dialogue: 0,0:55:51.34,0:55:54.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,isn't really so much of a problem. But
Dialogue: 0,0:55:54.34,0:55:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so so that you know that's the first
Dialogue: 0,0:55:56.34,0:55:59.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing I talked about oh have a follow
Dialogue: 0,0:55:59.34,0:56:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up that somehow suggestion is you know
Dialogue: 0,0:56:02.34,0:56:05.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would you what would you it you
Dialogue: 0,0:56:05.34,0:56:07.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got an our own like you can only
Dialogue: 0,0:56:07.34,0:56:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,afford. So much bandwidth would you
Dialogue: 0,0:56:09.34,0:56:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might not want to discriminate monster
Dialogue: 0,0:56:11.34,0:56:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,traffic. So that your video comes in
Dialogue: 0,0:56:14.34,0:56:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,foster an uninterrupted and to read but
Dialogue: 0,0:56:17.34,0:56:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did not neutrality is also can apply
Dialogue: 0,0:56:19.34,0:56:22.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this principle which is user centric
Dialogue: 0,0:56:22.34,0:56:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discrimination well you have become
Dialogue: 0,0:56:25.34,0:56:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ultimately to be the consumers choice
Dialogue: 0,0:56:29.34,0:56:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are there are network management
Dialogue: 0,0:56:30.34,0:56:33.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reasons to want to discriminate against
Dialogue: 0,0:56:33.34,0:56:36.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certain types of delivery some content
Dialogue: 0,0:56:36.34,0:56:38.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,needs low latency some content need
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.34,0:56:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,type quality. So they're always because
Dialogue: 0,0:56:40.34,0:56:42.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reasons but the problem emerges when
Dialogue: 0,0:56:42.34,0:56:44.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've got time order not want
Dialogue: 0,0:56:44.34,0:56:47.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accountable eyes it's core video
Dialogue: 0,0:56:47.34,0:56:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,delivery offering and wants people to
Dialogue: 0,0:56:48.34,0:56:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get its channel as video would
Dialogue: 0,0:56:50.34,0:56:52.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recognises that of net flicks or Amazon
Dialogue: 0,0:56:52.34,0:56:54.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prime as an alternative. They've got an
Dialogue: 0,0:56:54.34,0:56:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfair inordinate ability to
Dialogue: 0,0:56:56.34,0:56:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discriminate against net flicks to be
Dialogue: 0,0:56:58.34,0:57:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,easy be its own video delivery network
Dialogue: 0,0:57:01.34,0:57:03.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that so they can't discriminate apples
Dialogue: 0,0:57:03.34,0:57:05.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to apples that would be the answer you
Dialogue: 0,0:57:05.34,0:57:10.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can say time order can allow and B. C.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:10.34,0:57:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get better access to not allow net
Dialogue: 0,0:57:12.34,0:57:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flicks to get equal access to the
Dialogue: 0,0:57:14.34,0:57:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consumers that's the dilemma. So maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:57:16.34,0:57:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to me it's almost a matter I said
Dialogue: 0,0:57:17.34,0:57:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before performance metrics tree and B.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:20.34,0:57:22.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,C. the way you would treat any other
Dialogue: 0,0:57:22.34,0:57:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unaffiliated video content delivery
Dialogue: 0,0:57:24.34,0:57:33.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provider so I had a I think that I'd
Dialogue: 0,0:57:33.34,0:57:35.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one answer to your your question about
Dialogue: 0,0:57:35.34,0:57:38.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I create an alternative and that is to
Dialogue: 0,0:57:38.34,0:57:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make sure that every every C. D. in
Dialogue: 0,0:57:40.35,0:57:43.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every city around the country has the
Dialogue: 0,0:57:43.35,0:57:45.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ability to build what's right for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:45.35,0:57:47.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's actually saying that has
Dialogue: 0,0:57:47.35,0:57:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been somewhat supported by the F. C. C.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:49.35,0:57:51.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's unclear that it's actually
Dialogue: 0,0:57:51.35,0:57:54.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gonna happen but only against what the
Dialogue: 0,0:57:54.35,0:57:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cable goes and sell "'cause" one but my
Dialogue: 0,0:57:56.35,0:57:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question is there at least handle it
Dialogue: 0,0:57:59.35,0:58:03.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lawyers present and I've been I've been
Dialogue: 0,0:58:03.35,0:58:05.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having some discussions and to doing
Dialogue: 0,0:58:05.35,0:58:09.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some thinking on the S. how is it we
Dialogue: 0,0:58:09.35,0:58:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've been talking a lot about the
Dialogue: 0,0:58:10.35,0:58:12.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet and really the internet is two
Dialogue: 0,0:58:12.35,0:58:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things there's the the services on it
Dialogue: 0,0:58:16.35,0:58:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is what the capital high internet
Dialogue: 0,0:58:18.35,0:58:21.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually is which is a purely virtual
Dialogue: 0,0:58:21.35,0:58:23.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,type of thing and then there's the
Dialogue: 0,0:58:23.35,0:58:25.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructure the physical wires and
Dialogue: 0,0:58:25.35,0:58:27.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the fit the cables and the network
Dialogue: 0,0:58:27.35,0:58:30.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,equipment. So it seems to me that a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:58:30.35,0:58:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the out of the discussion especially
Dialogue: 0,0:58:34.35,0:58:36.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in internet circles confuses the two
Dialogue: 0,0:58:36.35,0:58:39.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and separate from how we help the
Dialogue: 0,0:58:39.35,0:58:41.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet community understand that
Dialogue: 0,0:58:41.35,0:58:43.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a very big difference between
Dialogue: 0,0:58:43.35,0:58:45.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet and the wires on which are
Dialogue: 0,0:58:45.35,0:58:48.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,run is how I'm I'm curious how is it
Dialogue: 0,0:58:48.35,0:58:51.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the telecom act actually
Dialogue: 0,0:58:51.35,0:58:54.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distinguishes between these two
Dialogue: 0,0:58:54.35,0:58:57.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fundamentally different things. And how
Dialogue: 0,0:58:57.35,0:59:01.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is it that the F. C. C. which wrote the
Dialogue: 0,0:59:01.35,0:59:03.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telecom act and that congress several
Dialogue: 0,0:59:03.35,0:59:06.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telecom act how is it that the keep on
Dialogue: 0,0:59:06.35,0:59:08.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confusing these things and how we make
Dialogue: 0,0:59:08.35,0:59:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it so that they can really treat these
Dialogue: 0,0:59:10.36,0:59:12.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two fundamental different things the
Dialogue: 0,0:59:12.36,0:59:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wires and then the thing is that one on
Dialogue: 0,0:59:14.36,0:59:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,top of the wires as separate it
Dialogue: 0,0:59:17.36,0:59:18.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,separate things you know from a
Dialogue: 0,0:59:18.36,0:59:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulatory perspective alright in a
Dialogue: 0,0:59:22.36,0:59:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either at the beginning of this to this
Dialogue: 0,0:59:25.36,0:59:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,panel. I admitted that this is
Dialogue: 0,0:59:27.36,0:59:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,partially my and on the four issue. I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:59:33.36,0:59:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not kidding this is Michael about
Dialogue: 0,0:59:36.36,0:59:40.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thirteen years no eleven years ago ten
Dialogue: 0,0:59:40.36,0:59:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years ago the F. C. C. came out with an
Dialogue: 0,0:59:42.36,0:59:46.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,order. I think all the pole what I was
Dialogue: 0,0:59:46.36,0:59:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the lawyer proposal and what we have as
Dialogue: 0,0:59:49.36,0:59:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the F. C. C. to do was to say that her
Dialogue: 0,0:59:52.36,0:59:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,free will dial up besides my students.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:55.36,0:59:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I you know it's like a remote dial
Dialogue: 0,0:59:57.36,1:00:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up arguably by many analysts accounts
Dialogue: 0,1:00:00.00,1:00:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was guiding force type was like it was
Dialogue: 0,1:00:02.00,1:00:05.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first real peer to peer voice
Dialogue: 0,1:00:05.04,1:00:07.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communications network in the world
Dialogue: 0,1:00:07.06,1:00:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that ran across computers but it a lot
Dialogue: 0,1:00:11.19,1:00:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for voice communications. So the idiot
Dialogue: 0,1:00:13.40,1:00:17.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lawyer for power over me. So we can ask
Dialogue: 0,1:00:17.48,1:00:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the F. C. C. if what we're doing is or
Dialogue: 0,1:00:21.10,1:00:25.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not a telecom so so one lightning
Dialogue: 0,1:00:25.58,1:00:26.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speed like a year and a half the F. C.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:26.46,1:00:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,C. says that this this this voice
Dialogue: 0,1:00:31.17,1:00:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communications network that doesn't
Dialogue: 0,1:00:33.16,1:00:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have any access any control of any
Dialogue: 0,1:00:35.15,1:00:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructure it's just to me points
Dialogue: 0,1:00:37.14,1:00:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the open internet is not a telecom
Dialogue: 0,1:00:40.12,1:00:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,service and is not subject to telecom
Dialogue: 0,1:00:42.11,1:00:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulation that was great couple
Dialogue: 0,1:00:46.86,1:00:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paragraphs later the S. C. did
Dialogue: 0,1:00:47.80,1:00:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something within a thing to do and we
Dialogue: 0,1:00:49.68,1:00:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think was a huge problem at the time of
Dialogue: 0,1:00:50.63,1:00:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the some people said it was value a big
Dialogue: 0,1:00:52.51,1:00:54.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem. Yes this is that you're not a
Dialogue: 0,1:00:54.39,1:00:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telecom service. But you are an
Dialogue: 0,1:00:56.27,1:00:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information service. And that sounded
Dialogue: 0,1:00:58.15,1:01:00.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pretty cool "'cause" at the time there
Dialogue: 0,1:01:00.05,1:01:02.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were essentially no real significant
Dialogue: 0,1:01:02.19,1:01:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,onerous regulations on information
Dialogue: 0,1:01:03.23,1:01:05.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,services they weren't common carriers
Dialogue: 0,1:01:05.21,1:01:07.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they weren't subject to this title too
Dialogue: 0,1:01:07.14,1:01:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,onerous obligations you all this stuff.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:10.25,1:01:12.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we weren't that concern but then a
Dialogue: 0,1:01:12.46,1:01:14.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whole series of me two petitions came
Dialogue: 0,1:01:14.90,1:01:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after that decision eighteen D. file to
Dialogue: 0,1:01:17.36,1:01:20.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me to petition arising filed me to
Dialogue: 0,1:01:20.11,1:01:22.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,petition bondage file maybe division
Dialogue: 0,1:01:22.87,1:01:23.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they all said that the service that
Dialogue: 0,1:01:23.76,1:01:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they offer just like pull overs we will
Dialogue: 0,1:01:25.52,1:01:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dial up service is not the telecom
Dialogue: 0,1:01:27.28,1:01:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,service it's an information service and
Dialogue: 0,1:01:29.04,1:01:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one by one the F. C. C. decided you
Dialogue: 0,1:01:32.17,1:01:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know what you're right these are also
Dialogue: 0,1:01:34.16,1:01:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not telecom services until they we were
Dialogue: 0,1:01:37.14,1:01:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,left with the world where all the
Dialogue: 0,1:01:38.13,1:01:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dominoes had fallen and Bryce since
Dialogue: 0,1:01:40.12,1:01:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadband internet access service is
Dialogue: 0,1:01:43.10,1:01:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not a telecom is it's an information
Dialogue: 0,1:01:45.92,1:01:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,service even though pricing controls
Dialogue: 0,1:01:48.74,1:01:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this fibre in the ground this copper in
Dialogue: 0,1:01:49.68,1:01:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ground being you the facilities. So
Dialogue: 0,1:01:52.51,1:01:54.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there has to be a qualitative
Dialogue: 0,1:01:54.39,1:01:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distinction between an information
Dialogue: 0,1:01:56.27,1:01:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,service that just rides on the open
Dialogue: 0,1:01:57.21,1:02:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet and in information service
Dialogue: 0,1:02:00.12,1:02:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's completely there to the
Dialogue: 0,1:02:02.03,1:02:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructure in the soil and in the
Dialogue: 0,1:02:05.17,1:02:09.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,air on American property so that's a
Dialogue: 0,1:02:09.31,1:02:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distinction that the F. C. C. in
Dialogue: 0,1:02:11.52,1:02:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,governess pale to make but that's the
Dialogue: 0,1:02:13.04,1:02:14.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extent of the six I think they have to
Dialogue: 0,1:02:14.78,1:02:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make it you control the infrastructure
Dialogue: 0,1:02:17.24,1:02:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guess what you're getting a special
Dialogue: 0,1:02:18.07,1:02:20.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,grant from the American people and with
Dialogue: 0,1:02:20.10,1:02:22.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tech right comes a lot of
Dialogue: 0,1:02:22.81,1:02:24.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,responsibility. And it should be
Dialogue: 0,1:02:24.58,1:02:25.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,treated differently than the
Dialogue: 0,1:02:25.46,1:02:28.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disembodied internet application that
Dialogue: 0,1:02:28.10,1:02:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rides over this place just a quick
Dialogue: 0,1:02:32.17,1:02:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,follow up. So I'm familiar with that
Dialogue: 0,1:02:35.15,1:02:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over order. And everything that
Dialogue: 0,1:02:37.14,1:02:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happened but why is rise in Charleston
Dialogue: 0,1:02:41.12,1:02:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information service why is paralysed in
Dialogue: 0,1:02:45.92,1:02:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fine does not a an infrastructure
Dialogue: 0,1:02:48.74,1:02:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's regulated in one way and then
Dialogue: 0,1:02:50.63,1:02:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eight video service basically tell
Dialogue: 0,1:02:52.51,1:02:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,phone service and any any internet
Dialogue: 0,1:02:55.33,1:02:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access service that or separately
Dialogue: 0,1:02:58.15,1:03:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulated in a separate under separate
Dialogue: 0,1:03:01.08,1:03:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,titles or whatever whatever you legal
Dialogue: 0,1:03:04.23,1:03:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,words mince yet edit easy circuit in
Dialogue: 0,1:03:06.40,1:03:09.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the supreme court that were a culture
Dialogue: 0,1:03:09.07,1:03:12.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ball with the F. C. C. interpretation
Dialogue: 0,1:03:12.10,1:03:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the telecom act now yeah sequence
Dialogue: 0,1:03:15.48,1:03:19.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said that yes the fire service is a
Dialogue: 0,1:03:19.11,1:03:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telecommunications service in the
Dialogue: 0,1:03:21.87,1:03:23.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infirmary in the infrastructure layer
Dialogue: 0,1:03:23.64,1:03:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's a information service at the
Dialogue: 0,1:03:25.40,1:03:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,application layer the S. you can said
Dialogue: 0,1:03:27.16,1:03:29.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they can say that because they
Dialogue: 0,1:03:29.19,1:03:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanted frankly that that they're being
Dialogue: 0,1:03:31.17,1:03:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extorted by the cable companies in the
Dialogue: 0,1:03:33.16,1:03:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,phone companies to build that broadband
Dialogue: 0,1:03:35.15,1:03:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,networks the F. C. C. want to see
Dialogue: 0,1:03:36.14,1:03:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,brought that filled out the cable
Dialogue: 0,1:03:38.13,1:03:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies the upon comes they will do
Dialogue: 0,1:03:40.12,1:03:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it if we argue I guarantee this
Dialogue: 0,1:03:41.12,1:03:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,latitude to build it out as unregulated
Dialogue: 0,1:03:43.10,1:03:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telecom service. So the F. C. C.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:46.86,1:03:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,republican at C. C. wrote orders saying
Dialogue: 0,1:03:48.74,1:03:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that these broadband pipes are just
Dialogue: 0,1:03:51.57,1:03:53.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information services with topical
Dialogue: 0,1:03:53.45,1:03:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telecommunications not we
Dialogue: 0,1:03:55.33,1:03:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telecommunication services they won't
Dialogue: 0,1:03:56.27,1:03:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be regulated community legal services
Dialogue: 0,1:03:59.10,1:04:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the D. C. circuit. And then the
Dialogue: 0,1:04:01.28,1:04:04.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supreme court both said that this is a
Dialogue: 0,1:04:04.32,1:04:05.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reasonable interpretation of the
Dialogue: 0,1:04:05.46,1:04:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telecom no that doesn't mean the
Dialogue: 0,1:04:07.43,1:04:09.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ethical to set the office yes you could
Dialogue: 0,1:04:09.63,1:04:11.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,easily said the opposite that that this
Dialogue: 0,1:04:11.16,1:04:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is active telecommunications service
Dialogue: 0,1:04:13.72,1:04:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're regulating it this way and
Dialogue: 0,1:04:14.54,1:04:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that way pursue which are title to with
Dialogue: 0,1:04:16.18,1:04:18.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,R. T. and the supreme court would also
Dialogue: 0,1:04:18.12,1:04:20.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,set S. E. C. this the reasonable
Dialogue: 0,1:04:20.93,1:04:24.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interpretation telecom at so and now
Dialogue: 0,1:04:24.46,1:04:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the I'm coming to get becomes will have
Dialogue: 0,1:04:25.34,1:04:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,us believe that a record set in fact
Dialogue: 0,1:04:28.19,1:04:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are information services they are
Dialogue: 0,1:04:30.18,1:04:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not telecommunication services that's
Dialogue: 0,1:04:32.17,1:04:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gospel that cannot change according to
Dialogue: 0,1:04:34.16,1:04:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this telecom act congress has to
Dialogue: 0,1:04:36.14,1:04:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rewrite that does not happen yes you
Dialogue: 0,1:04:38.13,1:04:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can say that these are in fact
Dialogue: 0,1:04:40.12,1:04:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telecommunication services they were
Dialogue: 0,1:04:42.11,1:04:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plywood score chevron deference it
Dialogue: 0,1:04:43.10,1:04:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would explain the rationale for on
Dialogue: 0,1:04:46.86,1:04:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,screen we I can think of no longer
Dialogue: 0,1:04:48.74,1:04:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,title one title two and the supreme
Dialogue: 0,1:04:49.68,1:04:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,court probably say this that they there
Dialogue: 0,1:04:51.57,1:04:53.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a reasonable analysis by the F. C.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:53.45,1:04:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,C. we understand they are the absolute
Dialogue: 0,1:04:56.27,1:04:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,policy arbiter on this issue we're
Dialogue: 0,1:04:59.10,1:05:01.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gonna grant and the authority to change
Dialogue: 0,1:05:01.06,1:05:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their mind and circumstances just you
Dialogue: 0,1:05:05.16,1:05:07.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could questions of the first is I
Dialogue: 0,1:05:07.19,1:05:09.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thought there was a net neutrality
Dialogue: 0,1:05:09.45,1:05:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,elements the concave N. B. C. universal
Dialogue: 0,1:05:11.96,1:05:14.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,merger from years ago statistics are on
Dialogue: 0,1:05:14.42,1:05:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then the other question sort of
Dialogue: 0,1:05:15.24,1:05:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the guy before me brought up is
Dialogue: 0,1:05:17.12,1:05:20.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what can be done on this you know I I
Dialogue: 0,1:05:20.87,1:05:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obviously understand you know federal
Dialogue: 0,1:05:21.75,1:05:23.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,preemption commerce clause that sort of
Dialogue: 0,1:05:23.52,1:05:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff what can be done on a city
Dialogue: 0,1:05:25.28,1:05:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,municipality level as you guys are some
Dialogue: 0,1:05:27.04,1:05:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you guys are talking about city or
Dialogue: 0,1:05:30.18,1:05:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,state level. So you know push the net
Dialogue: 0,1:05:32.17,1:05:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neutrality "'cause" I mean is it
Dialogue: 0,1:05:33.16,1:05:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,completely in the S. C. C. stands or is
Dialogue: 0,1:05:36.14,1:05:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the fact that you know C. D.'s
Dialogue: 0,1:05:38.13,1:05:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generally give you know permits in
Dialogue: 0,1:05:39.13,1:05:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,french ads you know whatever T. V.s
Dialogue: 0,1:05:41.12,1:05:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cable companies to put in their wires
Dialogue: 0,1:05:44.98,1:05:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is anything to be done on that level
Dialogue: 0,1:05:46.86,1:05:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from you know secure state that well
Dialogue: 0,1:05:53.45,1:05:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll say I there's certainly the bully
Dialogue: 0,1:05:55.33,1:05:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pulpit at these municipal and state
Dialogue: 0,1:05:58.15,1:06:01.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,level to exact concessions from the
Dialogue: 0,1:06:01.41,1:06:03.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,phone covers the cable companies to do
Dialogue: 0,1:06:03.02,1:06:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,business that there you know that the
Dialogue: 0,1:06:04.22,1:06:07.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cable coverage that get franchised
Dialogue: 0,1:06:07.75,1:06:08.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every once in a while and that's part
Dialogue: 0,1:06:08.51,1:06:10.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the franchising agreement they can
Dialogue: 0,1:06:10.03,1:06:11.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compel them to open up the network a
Dialogue: 0,1:06:11.84,1:06:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little bit more vehemently then they
Dialogue: 0,1:06:13.48,1:06:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do. I they could do the same with the
Dialogue: 0,1:06:15.12,1:06:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,phone companies you'll find some states
Dialogue: 0,1:06:17.12,1:06:18.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,incident minutes municipalities a
Dialogue: 0,1:06:18.10,1:06:20.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little bit more courageous they the
Dialogue: 0,1:06:20.81,1:06:22.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem is if you think that the F. C.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:22.57,1:06:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,C. in the cable companies wield
Dialogue: 0,1:06:24.34,1:06:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inordinate power in Washington relative
Dialogue: 0,1:06:26.10,1:06:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the internet companies they will
Dialogue: 0,1:06:28.19,1:06:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even more power at the municipal level.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:30.18,1:06:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're the only entities that really
Dialogue: 0,1:06:32.17,1:06:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,play at this the utility commissions
Dialogue: 0,1:06:34.16,1:06:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with you know do it here in new
Dialogue: 0,1:06:37.14,1:06:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,York city to the got internet power now
Dialogue: 0,1:06:39.13,1:06:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I I don't know if that's sufficient you
Dialogue: 0,1:06:40.12,1:06:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your well for former question yes there
Dialogue: 0,1:06:44.98,1:06:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were neutrality lightweight net
Dialogue: 0,1:06:46.86,1:06:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neutrality provisions in the merger and
Dialogue: 0,1:06:49.68,1:06:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was a decision based on the fact
Dialogue: 0,1:06:52.51,1:06:53.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there was this vertically
Dialogue: 0,1:06:53.45,1:06:54.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,integrated monopoly that was gonna have
Dialogue: 0,1:06:54.39,1:06:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,indiscreet you know in order under
Dialogue: 0,1:06:56.27,1:06:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,power to favourites own content over
Dialogue: 0,1:06:59.10,1:07:01.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the content of others it's short lived
Dialogue: 0,1:07:01.49,1:07:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not I think they expire within a
Dialogue: 0,1:07:04.60,1:07:07.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,year from now so we will be short that
Dialogue: 0,1:07:07.57,1:07:09.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in it only applies to one care you know
Dialogue: 0,1:07:09.09,1:07:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to to to which the parties at that
Dialogue: 0,1:07:11.72,1:07:14.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particular merger so that I did say
Dialogue: 0,1:07:14.18,1:07:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the F. C. C. has been used the
Dialogue: 0,1:07:16.12,1:07:17.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only way the S. is actually have the
Dialogue: 0,1:07:17.11,1:07:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,balls to do anything in this regard has
Dialogue: 0,1:07:19.87,1:07:20.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been inverter context where for a
Dialogue: 0,1:07:20.75,1:07:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,couple years they'll pick off one
Dialogue: 0,1:07:22.51,1:07:25.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,carrier. And then hopefully another
Dialogue: 0,1:07:25.16,1:07:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Carrick and use the of murderous be
Dialogue: 0,1:07:27.20,1:07:29.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,able to do what they don't have dinner
Dialogue: 0,1:07:29.19,1:07:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or wherewithal to develop a broader a
Dialogue: 0,1:07:32.17,1:07:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rulemaking context in the July two
Dialogue: 0,1:07:36.14,1:07:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thousand July first two thousand forty
Dialogue: 0,1:07:39.13,1:07:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A. R. P. consumer unison common cause
Dialogue: 0,1:07:42.11,1:07:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is one or more studies a file the
Dialogue: 0,1:07:43.10,1:07:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,petition the state of new York start
Dialogue: 0,1:07:46.86,1:07:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,investigating the flow money between
Dialogue: 0,1:07:47.80,1:07:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the affiliates futile wireless company
Dialogue: 0,1:07:49.68,1:07:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the wire like nobody but it also has
Dialogue: 0,1:07:52.51,1:07:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the question if we're rises bios just
Dialogue: 0,1:07:55.33,1:07:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,title to and if it's common carriage
Dialogue: 0,1:07:58.15,1:08:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,customers pay for cable service to
Dialogue: 0,1:08:01.13,1:08:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,customers pay for an information
Dialogue: 0,1:08:04.36,1:08:07.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,service moreover on the state franchise
Dialogue: 0,1:08:07.39,1:08:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the eighteen ninety six is under that
Dialogue: 0,1:08:11.60,1:08:12.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,law if it's common carriage is
Dialogue: 0,1:08:12.42,1:08:14.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody and and they pay for the
Dialogue: 0,1:08:14.06,1:08:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,final two is everybody entitled to that
Dialogue: 0,1:08:17.10,1:08:19.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the franchise area this is actually
Dialogue: 0,1:08:19.81,1:08:21.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may turn into a court case. So in some
Dialogue: 0,1:08:21.57,1:08:24.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,state laws that all laws that basically
Dialogue: 0,1:08:24.22,1:08:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say it's vital to and it's important
Dialogue: 0,1:08:26.20,1:08:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,franchise the newer obligated because
Dialogue: 0,1:08:28.19,1:08:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the telecommunications service this
Dialogue: 0,1:08:30.18,1:08:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still obligated offer services on the
Dialogue: 0,1:08:32.17,1:08:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the the three exactly like you thirty
Dialogue: 0,1:08:36.14,1:08:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one and and the question is really
Dialogue: 0,1:08:38.13,1:08:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether or not they they pay for all
Dialogue: 0,1:08:40.12,1:08:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of these other titles and those
Dialogue: 0,1:08:43.10,1:08:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other titles basically got free right I
Dialogue: 0,1:08:47.80,1:08:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's wrong but I've been thinking
Dialogue: 0,1:08:49.68,1:08:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about so the Reading searched but it's
Dialogue: 0,1:08:52.51,1:08:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a new new book and it it was talking
Dialogue: 0,1:08:55.33,1:08:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the possible balkan position of
Dialogue: 0,1:08:58.15,1:08:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet happening in countries
Dialogue: 0,1:08:59.10,1:09:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like you're on and it just maybe take
Dialogue: 0,1:09:03.42,1:09:06.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably this we might not ever happen
Dialogue: 0,1:09:06.45,1:09:08.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it made me wonder about poor
Dialogue: 0,1:09:08.10,1:09:10.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neighbourhoods in Brooklyn where I see
Dialogue: 0,1:09:10.66,1:09:12.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people can't afford their electricity
Dialogue: 0,1:09:12.30,1:09:14.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bill string it extension cord from a
Dialogue: 0,1:09:14.13,1:09:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,streetlight to get electricity it
Dialogue: 0,1:09:16.11,1:09:19.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,therefore apartment that wondered at
Dialogue: 0,1:09:19.75,1:09:22.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what point we might see organisation at
Dialogue: 0,1:09:22.39,1:09:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a small level we see mesh networks set
Dialogue: 0,1:09:26.20,1:09:29.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up the regular by new America
Dialogue: 0,1:09:29.19,1:09:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,foundation which in hurricane C. D.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:31.17,1:09:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,serve the populace better than a
Dialogue: 0,1:09:34.16,1:09:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,government services. And I see people
Dialogue: 0,1:09:37.14,1:09:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,selling illegal copies of D. V. D.'s on
Dialogue: 0,1:09:40.12,1:09:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the street Brooklyn all the time I
Dialogue: 0,1:09:42.11,1:09:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wonder at what point people just gonna
Dialogue: 0,1:09:44.98,1:09:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,set up the road media servers and
Dialogue: 0,1:09:46.86,1:09:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,string cables between their their
Dialogue: 0,1:09:48.74,1:09:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apartment windows and if go back like
Dialogue: 0,1:09:51.57,1:09:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that might be a way of a way that where
Dialogue: 0,1:09:55.33,1:09:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people have some affects on getting
Dialogue: 0,1:09:58.15,1:10:02.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people to offer oh away it's easier so
Dialogue: 0,1:10:02.48,1:10:06.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't see so they don't see I happen
Dialogue: 0,1:10:06.27,1:10:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to them what happened to the music
Dialogue: 0,1:10:07.03,1:10:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,industry what it was easier to use
Dialogue: 0,1:10:09.72,1:10:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,napster to find music then the tools
Dialogue: 0,1:10:13.00,1:10:16.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they were providing a bit sore it
Dialogue: 0,1:10:16.10,1:10:19.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tends to work faster doesn't started
Dialogue: 0,1:10:19.69,1:10:21.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way that like starters doesn't seem
Dialogue: 0,1:10:21.45,1:10:24.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get rattled superstars net flicks
Dialogue: 0,1:10:24.10,1:10:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one I actually a small answers as which
Dialogue: 0,1:10:28.19,1:10:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is disproportionately lower income
Dialogue: 0,1:10:31.17,1:10:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people turns a mobile providers. So
Dialogue: 0,1:10:34.16,1:10:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's what used mobile provides to
Dialogue: 0,1:10:37.14,1:10:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,citizens that's what it provides the
Dialogue: 0,1:10:39.13,1:10:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,market that's what the ten hours in
Dialogue: 0,1:10:42.11,1:10:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sprint prepaid brands provide that's
Dialogue: 0,1:10:44.98,1:10:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fundamentally woody mobile robots are
Dialogue: 0,1:10:46.86,1:10:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's why T. mobile offers things like
Dialogue: 0,1:10:48.74,1:10:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,music unlimited. So you're seeing it
Dialogue: 0,1:10:50.63,1:10:53.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're already seeing them move away
Dialogue: 0,1:10:53.45,1:10:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from six to wire line services or hyper
Dialogue: 0,1:10:57.21,1:10:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,expensive towards something that has
Dialogue: 0,1:10:59.10,1:11:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,four more utility and that move. It's
Dialogue: 0,1:11:03.81,1:11:04.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you gotta wonder if it's ever gonna
Dialogue: 0,1:11:04.57,1:11:06.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,write any real pressure. But what is
Dialogue: 0,1:11:06.09,1:11:09.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,definitely happening is that we are
Dialogue: 0,1:11:09.60,1:11:10.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telling our lower income segments of
Dialogue: 0,1:11:10.42,1:11:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,society you've got a user were centre
Dialogue: 0,1:11:13.13,1:11:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a mobile internet is
Dialogue: 0,1:11:14.12,1:11:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fundamentally a worse internet then the
Dialogue: 0,1:11:16.99,1:11:18.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wire line internet right now and we
Dialogue: 0,1:11:18.75,1:11:21.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulate it lasts and we say you can
Dialogue: 0,1:11:21.39,1:11:23.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put data caps on it and we're not gonna
Dialogue: 0,1:11:23.16,1:11:25.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worry about not neutrality here because
Dialogue: 0,1:11:25.21,1:11:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mobiles different there's a spectral
Dialogue: 0,1:11:26.20,1:11:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crotch. So we've already done that a
Dialogue: 0,1:11:28.19,1:11:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little bit in a very serious way and
Dialogue: 0,1:11:30.18,1:11:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's what all those prepaid sim cards
Dialogue: 0,1:11:32.17,1:11:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are doing. So you know it the F. C. C.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:36.14,1:11:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I. to its credit at this point the F.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:38.13,1:11:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,C. C. saying we gotta regulate wireless
Dialogue: 0,1:11:40.12,1:11:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same as while and I try to bring it
Dialogue: 0,1:11:42.11,1:11:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back because it's already happened
Dialogue: 0,1:11:43.10,1:11:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's my answer all at once as well
Dialogue: 0,1:11:45.92,1:11:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,finally somebody agrees it yeah I I
Dialogue: 0,1:11:52.51,1:11:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some point it becomes that the service.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:56.27,1:12:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we got a municipal stay ordinances
Dialogue: 0,1:12:00.60,1:12:03.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,statutes and common law that will go
Dialogue: 0,1:12:03.63,1:12:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after many the fire you got rising
Dialogue: 0,1:12:05.15,1:12:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tracks in time order trucks running
Dialogue: 0,1:12:06.10,1:12:08.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rolling down the street broken looking
Dialogue: 0,1:12:08.66,1:12:10.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people who are stealing those sorts
Dialogue: 0,1:12:10.30,1:12:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of service good at some point the
Dialogue: 0,1:12:11.12,1:12:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connections coming from somewhere at
Dialogue: 0,1:12:13.13,1:12:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some point the contents got it area can
Dialogue: 0,1:12:17.81,1:12:20.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,run what is arguably legitimate antenna
Dialogue: 0,1:12:20.45,1:12:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based signals to specifically your mark
Dialogue: 0,1:12:24.22,1:12:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consumers they're not gonna put up with
Dialogue: 0,1:12:26.20,1:12:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consumers Jerry rigging that to content
Dialogue: 0,1:12:31.17,1:12:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughout but what we do have is right
Dialogue: 0,1:12:34.16,1:12:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reformation a universal service what we
Dialogue: 0,1:12:36.14,1:12:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are supposed to be committed to
Dialogue: 0,1:12:38.13,1:12:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,delivering internet access to our
Dialogue: 0,1:12:40.12,1:12:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,underserved communities through the
Dialogue: 0,1:12:42.11,1:12:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,federal and state university response
Dialogue: 0,1:12:44.98,1:12:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh right so like to redirect the
Dialogue: 0,1:12:50.63,1:12:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conversation so where it was a bit off
Dialogue: 0,1:12:52.51,1:12:54.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the point of the and a session which
Dialogue: 0,1:12:54.39,1:12:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is basically you lost a very point
Dialogue: 0,1:12:56.27,1:12:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question which is how do we just rub
Dialogue: 0,1:12:58.15,1:13:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the monopoly that white internet
Dialogue: 0,1:13:00.36,1:13:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,providers have and so that affect them
Dialogue: 0,1:13:02.69,1:13:06.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of wondering if we can a light the
Dialogue: 0,1:13:06.89,1:13:08.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on you amount of influence that's a
Dialogue: 0,1:13:08.54,1:13:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cable companies have on lobbying power
Dialogue: 0,1:13:10.18,1:13:14.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't the ads on the government have
Dialogue: 0,1:13:14.11,1:13:17.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a direct interest in deciding that
Dialogue: 0,1:13:17.75,1:13:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,market by it opening up spectrum of
Dialogue: 0,1:13:19.51,1:13:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some kind of like we wouldn't wouldn't
Dialogue: 0,1:13:21.27,1:13:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that be an avenue for governments to
Dialogue: 0,1:13:24.22,1:13:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crew create alternative that would
Dialogue: 0,1:13:27.20,1:13:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provide competition that space and I
Dialogue: 0,1:13:31.17,1:13:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had another point but I'm not so oh
Dialogue: 0,1:13:34.16,1:13:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah I I I you know that the at the
Dialogue: 0,1:13:36.14,1:13:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,white space there the battle over white
Dialogue: 0,1:13:38.13,1:13:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spaces in the old spectrum actually was
Dialogue: 0,1:13:40.12,1:13:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supposed to do that the that the push
Dialogue: 0,1:13:42.11,1:13:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for municipal wife I was supposed to do
Dialogue: 0,1:13:44.98,1:13:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we had a lot of rumblings that
Dialogue: 0,1:13:47.80,1:13:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is gonna happen out the the the
Dialogue: 0,1:13:49.68,1:13:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,radios and the all the equipment and
Dialogue: 0,1:13:52.51,1:13:54.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the revenue model isn't quite there for
Dialogue: 0,1:13:54.39,1:13:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the folks actually like the white space
Dialogue: 0,1:13:56.27,1:13:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and but you ty five programs but maybe
Dialogue: 0,1:13:59.10,1:14:01.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'll come I don't know you know when
Dialogue: 0,1:14:01.74,1:14:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get a lot of what like I said
Dialogue: 0,1:14:02.51,1:14:03.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before when they try doing in
Dialogue: 0,1:14:03.27,1:14:06.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Philadelphia rise and set it down I
Dialogue: 0,1:14:06.77,1:14:07.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mean doing anything it's not obvious
Dialogue: 0,1:14:07.60,1:14:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hard because that's work cast it's okay
Dialogue: 0,1:14:09.24,1:14:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's like you thought the hardest
Dialogue: 0,1:14:11.14,1:14:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,battle first anyway unless you have one
Dialogue: 0,1:14:13.12,1:14:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more question I think where where it
Dialogue: 0,1:14:15.93,1:14:20.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time here well the one more okay this
Dialogue: 0,1:14:20.33,1:14:22.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is actually a ricans actualised in
Dialogue: 0,1:14:22.09,1:14:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything also and that is about
Dialogue: 0,1:14:26.20,1:14:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conceptualising with the history it
Dialogue: 0,1:14:28.19,1:14:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seems like the time Warner contrast
Dialogue: 0,1:14:30.18,1:14:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deal looks to be pretty similar to what
Dialogue: 0,1:14:32.17,1:14:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is happening this tree be the paramount
Dialogue: 0,1:14:35.15,1:14:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decision or the A. T. T. break up in
Dialogue: 0,1:14:38.13,1:14:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the eighties isn't this just inevitable
Dialogue: 0,1:14:41.12,1:14:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or going to get to the monopolistic
Dialogue: 0,1:14:43.10,1:14:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,point and then gonna have to break it
Dialogue: 0,1:14:44.98,1:14:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up isn't that how America works or do
Dialogue: 0,1:14:46.86,1:14:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have or optimistic you point about
Dialogue: 0,1:14:49.68,1:14:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how we can move forward and prevent
Dialogue: 0,1:14:51.57,1:14:53.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this from happening like it happened in
Dialogue: 0,1:14:53.45,1:14:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the past I I think regulatory history
Dialogue: 0,1:14:57.21,1:14:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always proceeds in these sine waves.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:59.10,1:15:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yes we have seen over the past
Dialogue: 0,1:15:01.56,1:15:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,twenty years that you're consolidation
Dialogue: 0,1:15:03.09,1:15:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we will probably I I say if we
Dialogue: 0,1:15:05.83,1:15:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't resolve something via telecom
Dialogue: 0,1:15:09.12,1:15:11.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,definitions or net neutrality
Dialogue: 0,1:15:11.13,1:15:14.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,implementation the bell and cable
Dialogue: 0,1:15:14.99,1:15:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies will be beset with a losing
Dialogue: 0,1:15:16.75,1:15:18.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I trust battle collided which we
Dialogue: 0,1:15:18.51,1:15:20.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saw nineteen eighty four electable too
Dialogue: 0,1:15:20.27,1:15:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so nineteen fifty six selected which we
Dialogue: 0,1:15:21.15,1:15:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so nineteen ten yeah we'll we'll see
Dialogue: 0,1:15:23.22,1:15:25.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that again at some point if something
Dialogue: 0,1:15:25.21,1:15:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is resolved and they maybe chil may may
Dialogue: 0,1:15:27.20,1:15:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recognise that the they will ultimately
Dialogue: 0,1:15:30.18,1:15:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lose the other just that also they may
Dialogue: 0,1:15:31.17,1:15:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say you know that this is as far as
Dialogue: 0,1:15:33.16,1:15:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're gonna go with them or not I don't
Dialogue: 0,1:15:35.15,1:15:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have any problems with most of these
Dialogue: 0,1:15:36.14,1:15:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,horizontal mergers which is largely
Dialogue: 0,1:15:39.13,1:15:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the time Warner come customers
Dialogue: 0,1:15:40.12,1:15:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about if you have time Warner you got
Dialogue: 0,1:15:44.98,1:15:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time Warner can't get wasn't even
Dialogue: 0,1:15:46.86,1:15:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,offering service in that region they
Dialogue: 0,1:15:48.74,1:15:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,divided the country I don't mind a big
Dialogue: 0,1:15:50.63,1:15:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bloated horizontal cable company across
Dialogue: 0,1:15:52.51,1:15:54.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the country we know what the like we do
Dialogue: 0,1:15:54.39,1:15:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the other what I hate is when they
Dialogue: 0,1:15:55.33,1:15:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get vertically integrated when time
Dialogue: 0,1:15:57.21,1:15:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Warner buys in D. C. I can't guess buys
Dialogue: 0,1:15:59.10,1:16:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,N. B. C. I. am concerned about time
Dialogue: 0,1:16:01.38,1:16:03.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Warner not having access to N. B. C.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:03.11,1:16:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plus the time Warner content that is a
Dialogue: 0,1:16:05.71,1:16:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vertically integrated monopoly that I
Dialogue: 0,1:16:06.53,1:16:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think is very dangerous and controls
Dialogue: 0,1:16:08.18,1:16:11.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the entire user experience than that
Dialogue: 0,1:16:11.13,1:16:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you professor so we have a hard
Dialogue: 0,1:16:15.81,1:16:17.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stop at eight thirty but we actually we
Dialogue: 0,1:16:17.57,1:16:20.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a small apropos I land that surf
Dialogue: 0,1:16:20.21,1:16:22.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem right here. So come on out keep
Dialogue: 0,1:16:22.23,1:16:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the conversation going I'm sure some of
Dialogue: 0,1:16:23.22,1:16:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our panels will still join us so that'd
Dialogue: 0,1:16:26.20,1:16:29.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be great you know big thank you to all
Dialogue: 0,1:16:29.19,1:16:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our sponsors launch a lamb Cleo I I can
Dialogue: 0,1:16:32.17,1:16:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why I check us out on the hackers got
Dialogue: 0,1:16:35.15,1:16:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a we have a coming at one point I
Dialogue: 0,1:16:38.13,1:16:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thought check out on you know so and
Dialogue: 0,1:16:41.12,1:16:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,finally huge tanks are often once
Dialogue: 0,1:16:44.98,1:16:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they've passed man happy eric's first I
Dialogue: 0,1:16:48.74,1:16:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can ask and then know I can tell you
Dialogue: 0,1:16:50.63,1:16:54.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all hang out and I like stocks and more
Dialogue: 0,1:16:54.39,1:17:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you. ooh ooh ooh ooh