0:00:00.690,0:00:12.137 ♪ (Intro music) ♪ 0:00:12.137,0:00:13.901 Welcome. This is James Corbett [br]of the Corbett Report 0:00:13.901,0:00:16.420 with your EyeOpener Report[br]for BoilingFrogsPost.com. 0:00:16.420,0:00:19.710 And this week we're taking a break 0:00:19.710,0:00:21.049 out of our whistleblower series 0:00:21.049,0:00:22.421 to talk with our friend 0:00:22.421,0:00:26.858 and the owner of BoilingFrogsPost.com, [br]Sibel Edmonds, 0:00:26.858,0:00:29.521 about the breaking news regarding 0:00:29.521,0:00:32.292 the Boston Marathon bombing [br]and the suspects 0:00:32.292,0:00:36.071 and all of the information that's [br]swirling around now 0:00:36.071,0:00:38.598 about the Chechnya/Dagestan[br]/North Caucausus region 0:00:38.598,0:00:40.422 -- which is very interesting, 0:00:40.422,0:00:43.679 because those of you who have [br]been following our recent Gladio series 0:00:43.679,0:00:46.085 know that this is something that we've [br]been talking about, 0:00:46.085,0:00:47.570 specifically this region. 0:00:47.570,0:00:49.607 And we've been saying that [br]this is a region 0:00:49.607,0:00:52.311 that Americans are going to be[br]more familiar with in the future: 0:00:52.311,0:00:54.649 well, it looks like the future is now, 0:00:54.649,0:00:57.434 as people are now talking about [br]the North Caucasus region 0:00:57.434,0:00:59.379 and Islamic terrorism there. 0:00:59.379,0:01:01.420 So, Sibel: first of all, 0:01:01.420,0:01:03.758 thank you very much for coming [br]on the program again today. 0:01:03.758,0:01:05.153 It's always a pleasure to have you here. 0:01:05.153,0:01:07.356 And why don't we jump straight into it 0:01:07.356,0:01:09.153 by talking about the recent post 0:01:09.153,0:01:10.641 that you put up on Boiling Frogs Post 0:01:10.641,0:01:12.161 to let people know a little bit more 0:01:12.161,0:01:13.995 about this region and the terror threat: 0:01:13.995,0:01:17.868 "USA: The Creator & Sustainer [br]of Chechen Terrorism." 0:01:17.868,0:01:19.371 Why don't you tell us a little bit about 0:01:19.371,0:01:22.073 the connections there between the [br]USA, Turkey, NATO, 0:01:22.073,0:01:24.739 and the Islamic terrorism in Chechnya? 0:01:24.739,0:01:27.006 Absolutely, James. 0:01:27.006,0:01:28.046 And as you mentioned, 0:01:28.046,0:01:32.850 we have been covering this region[br]with our series, Gladio series; 0:01:32.850,0:01:35.517 and I have been writing and[br]talking about it 0:01:35.517,0:01:38.152 for almost 11 years now 0:01:38.152,0:01:40.377 since my FBI whistleblowing days. 0:01:40.377,0:01:43.060 Talking about Central Asia/Caucasus, 0:01:43.060,0:01:44.991 talking about joint operation 0:01:44.991,0:01:49.241 between the CIA, NATO, and the[br]factions in this region 0:01:49.241,0:01:51.867 -- including, most importantly, [br]the Chechens. 0:01:51.867,0:01:56.273 So this is something that I have[br]been pounding and pounding and pounding 0:01:56.273,0:01:57.370 for over a decade. 0:01:57.370,0:01:59.240 And it is so interesting: 0:01:59.240,0:02:02.345 suddenly you wake up and the newspapers, 0:02:02.345,0:02:05.627 the mainstream media, the [br]quasi-alternative media -- 0:02:05.627,0:02:07.424 suddenly they have discovered 0:02:07.424,0:02:12.090 this never-talked-about-before[br]region, Chechnya. 0:02:12.090,0:02:13.761 In fact, it was really interesting: 0:02:13.761,0:02:15.822 they started talking about Chechnya, 0:02:15.822,0:02:16.659 and then people 0:02:16.659,0:02:19.661 -- because Americans are not even[br]famlliar with the region, 0:02:19.661,0:02:21.197 thanks to the mainstream media -- 0:02:21.197,0:02:24.872 they started saying "Czech Republic"[br][laughs] 0:02:24.872,0:02:27.669 Even the Czech Republic had to come [br]and say, 0:02:27.669,0:02:31.675 "Look, Chechnya is a different place.[br]Don't look at us!" 0:02:31.675,0:02:34.122 So it just tells you where American people 0:02:34.122,0:02:35.110 -- we, the Americans -- 0:02:35.110,0:02:36.944 are, as far as knowledge 0:02:36.944,0:02:41.222 of this incredibly important region[br]is concerned. 0:02:41.222,0:02:43.624 And the fact that so much has been brewing 0:02:43.624,0:02:46.622 for the past two-and-a-half decades[br]in the region; 0:02:46.622,0:02:50.070 and while we have had coverage in Russia, 0:02:50.070,0:02:52.201 in some parts of Europe 0:02:52.201,0:02:54.787 -- in the Middle East, even -- 0:02:54.787,0:02:58.066 we have had zero coverage in this region, 0:02:58.066,0:03:01.267 except for positive PR. 0:03:01.267,0:03:05.472 Just like with the mujahideens[br]in Afghanistan 0:03:05.472,0:03:10.163 in late 1970s and 1980s, we have been 0:03:10.163,0:03:13.355 -- our media, taking their script directly 0:03:13.355,0:03:15.782 from the State Department and the[br]CIA, our government -- 0:03:15.782,0:03:18.086 been portraying the Chechens 0:03:18.086,0:03:22.291 as freedom fighters, heroic people; 0:03:22.291,0:03:29.030 and Russia as the abusers [br]in their pursuit of... 0:03:29.030,0:03:32.802 not recognizing their independece, [br]et cetera, et cetera. 0:03:32.802,0:03:37.172 So, it's been always in a [br]semi-positive light, 0:03:37.172,0:03:42.080 the portrayal of this region: 0:03:42.080,0:03:43.186 Chechnya, Dagestan. 0:03:43.186,0:03:47.217 And I want to also emphasize 0:03:47.217,0:03:53.252 a very, very powerful lobby group [br]in the United States 0:03:53.252,0:03:56.325 established by the very, very [br]powerful people 0:03:56.325,0:03:58.965 to represent Chechnya. 0:03:58.965,0:04:00.136 You would think... 0:04:00.136,0:04:03.463 -- it's not even really a country, OK?[br]It's a little region within Russia; 0:04:03.463,0:04:08.235 it is within Russian terrrtory:[br]you're not talking about ex-Soviet Bloc, 0:04:08.235,0:04:10.169 it's in Russian territory -- 0:04:10.169,0:04:12.771 yet, there is a lobby group for Chechnya. 0:04:12.771,0:04:16.708 And in my piece, I put a link 0:04:16.708,0:04:20.015 to this organization, to this lobby group. 0:04:20.015,0:04:21.782 But if you just look at 0:04:21.782,0:04:24.201 even the lobby group, this lobby group -- 0:04:24.201,0:04:28.941 which is the American Committee[br]for Peace in Chechnya... 0:04:28.941,0:04:33.645 Chechnya! All these places bogged down[br]by wars, 0:04:33.645,0:04:36.021 and here are all these powerful people 0:04:36.021,0:04:40.511 such as the former director of the CIA, [br]James Woolsey. 0:04:40.511,0:04:45.532 He is one of the lobbyists with this [br]committee for Chechnya. 0:04:45.532,0:04:50.314 Of all the places in the world bogged[br]down with war -- but Chechnya? 0:04:50.314,0:04:52.329 You have individuals... 0:04:52.329,0:04:55.896 I mean, you have some really big names. 0:04:55.896,0:04:58.089 I don't want to take up a lot of time[br]here, 0:04:58.089,0:05:01.420 and people can go and read my[br]article on this, 0:05:01.420,0:05:04.568 but you have people like Richard Perle -- 0:05:04.568,0:05:08.073 remember Richard Perle, Pentagon advisor? 0:05:08.073,0:05:11.800 You have Ledeen, you have Frank Gaffney. 0:05:11.800,0:05:14.993 I mean, if you look at this lobby, 0:05:14.993,0:05:16.204 Chechen lobby group 0:05:16.204,0:05:18.173 -- the American-Chechen lobby group -- 0:05:18.173,0:05:25.790 you will see CIA, DIA, NATO,[br]and the very well-known 0:05:25.790,0:05:28.933 -- all the well-known, actually; [br]the top-tier -- 0:05:28.933,0:05:30.295 neocons. 0:05:30.295,0:05:31.546 The major players, 0:05:31.546,0:05:33.187 even during the previous administration. 0:05:33.187,0:05:36.329 So that tells you about what Chechnya was 0:05:36.329,0:05:40.266 to the US media and to our government. 0:05:40.266,0:05:41.516 And now, suddenly, 0:05:41.516,0:05:44.080 the mainstream media with this incident 0:05:44.080,0:05:46.407 started pairing up the region 0:05:46.407,0:05:51.871 as the hottest spot currently for al-Qaeda 0:05:51.871,0:05:54.900 and radical Islamic activities [br]and terrorism. 0:05:54.900,0:05:56.713 Just overnight: 0:05:56.713,0:06:00.071 up until this point, it was [br]never mentioned 0:06:00.071,0:06:04.286 in light of that kind [br]of strategic importance: 0:06:04.286,0:06:05.841 "OK, they are radical." 0:06:05.841,0:06:06.631 No, it was not. 0:06:06.631,0:06:07.705 And now, suddenly it became. 0:06:07.705,0:06:08.693 So, what happened? 0:06:08.693,0:06:11.625 Because what we covered during [br]our series was 0:06:11.625,0:06:14.326 -- and this is both from my first-hand [br]experience 0:06:14.326,0:06:17.315 and all the research, everything[br]we put together for the series -- 0:06:17.315,0:06:22.536 but since early 1990s after the fall[br]of the Soviet Union, 0:06:22.536,0:06:27.325 how the United States, NATO [br]had been carrying out 0:06:27.325,0:06:31.474 this second phase of Operation Gladio 0:06:31.474,0:06:34.758 specifically targeting that region: 0:06:34.758,0:06:37.019 and that is Central Asia and Caucasus. 0:06:37.019,0:06:38.645 You know, Uzbekistan 0:06:38.645,0:06:39.926 -- all the 'stans -- 0:06:39.926,0:06:41.323 Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan. 0:06:41.323,0:06:43.325 And if you look at the region saying... 0:06:43.325,0:06:45.000 well, the success stories: 0:06:45.000,0:06:46.230 well, we are looking at Georgia; 0:06:46.230,0:06:48.416 we are looking at Azerbaijan 0:06:48.416,0:06:50.280 -- it's almost a NATO member. 0:06:50.280,0:06:55.174 And then you're looking at some brand-new 0:06:55.174,0:06:56.433 -- since 1990 -- 0:06:56.433,0:06:58.955 created Islamic factions 0:06:58.955,0:07:01.782 that have been growing in the region, 0:07:01.782,0:07:05.771 receiving fundings from United States, 0:07:05.771,0:07:08.565 Saudi Arabia, Turkey, 0:07:08.565,0:07:10.390 the United [Arab] Emirates. 0:07:10.390,0:07:13.118 And with the US, as always, [br]it's not direct: 0:07:13.118,0:07:14.318 they are not sending checks. 0:07:14.318,0:07:15.123 We are not 0:07:15.123,0:07:15.859 -- our government is not -- 0:07:15.859,0:07:16.880 sending checks to them. 0:07:16.880,0:07:19.890 It's usually done, as always,[br]through proxies, OK? 0:07:19.890,0:07:21.515 Either through illegal activities, 0:07:21.515,0:07:23.714 CIA's heroin operations, 0:07:23.714,0:07:29.783 or it is through proxies by NATO[br]member, partner, Turkey 0:07:29.783,0:07:31.804 -- right there with the Turkic language. 0:07:31.804,0:07:34.825 Well, when we talk about the[br]United [Arab] Emirates, 0:07:34.825,0:07:35.862 what are we talking about? 0:07:35.862,0:07:40.055 United [Arab] Emirates is our very [br]direct puppet there in the region. 0:07:40.055,0:07:43.300 So we have been carrying these operations, 0:07:43.300,0:07:44.554 and our series covered that; 0:07:44.554,0:07:47.553 and now, suddenly, we have this situation. 0:07:47.553,0:07:49.624 We have this so-called terror incident, 0:07:49.624,0:07:52.311 and suddenly this becomes the hot region. 0:07:52.311,0:07:58.662 And the first question people should[br]be asking in this latest is, "Why?" 0:07:58.662,0:08:00.002 You know, I see... 0:08:00.002,0:08:04.127 the first two, three days of this [br]terror incident, 0:08:04.127,0:08:05.569 I did not post anything. 0:08:05.569,0:08:07.586 I didn't even include it in my [br]nightly news, 0:08:07.586,0:08:09.244 because I know what happens: 0:08:09.244,0:08:13.382 you get lots of info, a lot of it [br]false info; 0:08:13.382,0:08:16.616 a lot of it contradicting,[br]conflicting stories. 0:08:16.616,0:08:18.153 And it's really a waste of time 0:08:18.153,0:08:20.118 trying to focus on those little details 0:08:20.118,0:08:23.760 and not to take a deep breath, step back, 0:08:23.760,0:08:26.263 and say, "Let's take a look at this." 0:08:26.263,0:08:28.274 I mean, let's take a look at it [br]as a whole, 0:08:28.274,0:08:31.527 and let's wait and put together[br]some of this information, 0:08:31.527,0:08:34.078 at least those that we deem credible. 0:08:34.078,0:08:36.666 And I guess we have enough to run 0:08:36.666,0:08:39.093 this particular episode on this. 0:08:39.093,0:08:41.495 And actually, the article I posted 0:08:41.495,0:08:44.044 had a new introduction based 0:08:44.044,0:08:46.759 on the latest so-called terror incident, 0:08:46.759,0:08:49.663 but the rest of it was what I wrote 0:08:49.663,0:08:51.492 and published two years ago: 0:08:51.492,0:08:54.424 and talking about the Chechen group, 0:08:54.424,0:08:56.059 talking about our operations, 0:08:56.059,0:08:58.738 and talking about the region brewing 0:08:58.738,0:09:02.195 with these factions and Islamizations, 0:09:02.195,0:09:03.796 and the Chechens being funded. 0:09:03.796,0:09:05.689 Actually, the headquarters 0:09:05.689,0:09:08.230 of the top Chechen terrorist leaders 0:09:08.230,0:09:13.352 -- I'm not talking about the little[br]peons, the pawns; but the leaders -- 0:09:13.352,0:09:15.608 are, have been, in Turkey. 0:09:15.608,0:09:18.704 And we talked about, during one[br]of our episodes, 0:09:18.704,0:09:21.551 about the latest assassinations in Turkey, 0:09:21.551,0:09:23.798 where the Russian FSB have been going 0:09:23.798,0:09:27.312 and taking out these Chechen[br]terrorist leaders. 0:09:27.312,0:09:32.119 One incident happened in Qatar, [br]and we listed that. 0:09:32.119,0:09:36.089 In Dubai, the bank accounts[br]that they used: 0:09:36.089,0:09:38.572 they are in Dubai and they are in Cyprus. 0:09:38.572,0:09:40.378 So this was written two years ago, 0:09:40.378,0:09:42.996 and then -- well? 0:09:42.996,0:09:45.754 As we predicted and as we expected, 0:09:45.754,0:09:47.213 now it is happening. 0:09:47.213,0:09:49.870 So the question is what is happening, 0:09:49.870,0:09:50.986 why it's happening, 0:09:50.986,0:09:54.074 what kind of implications [br]we are looking at, 0:09:54.074,0:10:00.656 and how it fits within this entire [br]Great Game context. 0:10:00.656,0:10:04.800 Well, you are exactly right that[br]there's all sorts 0:10:04.800,0:10:06.937 of conflicting information coming out now 0:10:06.937,0:10:09.451 about the Tsarnaev Brothers[br]and their travels, 0:10:09.451,0:10:10.974 and what they were involved in 0:10:10.974,0:10:12.099 and what they weren't involved in. 0:10:12.099,0:10:14.878 And as you say, it's very difficult 0:10:14.878,0:10:16.331 -- if not impssible, at this point -- 0:10:16.331,0:10:18.417 to sort through all of that conflicting[br]information. 0:10:18.417,0:10:19.717 But something, a little nugget 0:10:19.717,0:10:22.649 that came out last week that was[br]extremely important, 0:10:22.649,0:10:27.207 was RT's interview with the [br]brothers' mother 0:10:27.207,0:10:31.686 where she asserted that her[br]sons were innocent, 0:10:31.686,0:10:32.887 that they were being set up, 0:10:32.887,0:10:35.591 and they had been in contact with the FBI 0:10:35.591,0:10:37.556 for three, five years. 0:10:37.556,0:10:40.743 So, there is some problems there in terms 0:10:40.743,0:10:42.030 of exactly what she was saying; 0:10:42.030,0:10:44.202 but at any rate, RT aired that interview; 0:10:44.202,0:10:46.602 and afterwards, the FBI confirmed 0:10:46.602,0:10:47.704 that they had, in fact, 0:10:47.704,0:10:49.614 talked to the brothers earlier. 0:10:49.614,0:10:51.306 So that was an important piece 0:10:51.306,0:10:52.528 of this puzzle that came out. 0:10:52.528,0:10:55.208 And let's talk a little bit about [br]that information 0:10:55.208,0:10:57.212 and what that may or may not indicate 0:10:57.212,0:10:58.754 about what was actually happening there. 0:10:58.754,0:11:03.451 I believe that is the most important clue, 0:11:03.451,0:11:05.127 piece, that we have so far. 0:11:05.127,0:11:08.590 Because what happened was,[br]as you just said, 0:11:08.590,0:11:09.590 this is what the parents said. 0:11:09.590,0:11:13.367 And FBI was denying, and later[br]they came and said, 0:11:13.367,0:11:15.800 "Oh, well, in 2011 a foreign government," 0:11:15.800,0:11:19.979 "a foreign nation, tipped us [br]about these individuals." 0:11:19.979,0:11:24.041 And this would be, actually, [br]mid- to late-2011. 0:11:24.041,0:11:27.108 And at that point I 0:11:27.108,0:11:28.016 -- right away I predicted -- 0:11:28.016,0:11:31.813 I said, "That is Russia that provided [br]that tip through the FBI." 0:11:31.813,0:11:34.852 But if you compare the timelines, 0:11:34.852,0:11:37.286 the parents keep talking about three[br]to five years ago: 0:11:37.286,0:11:40.590 well, the first tip didn't come [br]until two years ago. 0:11:40.590,0:11:42.459 It's actually less than two years ago. 0:11:42.459,0:11:45.699 And now we find out that a second tip came 0:11:45.699,0:11:48.060 after one of the brothers supposedly 0:11:48.060,0:11:50.231 came back from Dagestan region, 0:11:50.231,0:11:54.707 and Russia provided the second tip [br]in late 2012 0:11:54.707,0:11:56.072 -- which would be about five months, 0:11:56.072,0:11:58.406 six months before this incident. 0:11:58.406,0:12:01.040 And the parents are talking about[br]the US government, 0:12:01.040,0:12:02.410 the FBI being in touch, 0:12:02.410,0:12:08.388 working with the two brothers three[br]to five years ago. 0:12:08.388,0:12:13.319 So we have that very, very big [br]discrepancy here. 0:12:13.319,0:12:17.390 And the other most important thing is 0:12:17.390,0:12:21.514 -- and I want to emphasize, especially[br]with people with second language, 0:12:21.514,0:12:24.940 English as second language, and I'm [br]really familiar with that; especially 0:12:24.940,0:12:28.335 people who come from that part of the [br]world, whether it's the Middle East -- 0:12:28.335,0:12:31.204 usually, you have one intelligence agency. 0:12:31.204,0:12:32.688 You know, it's either KGB, 0:12:32.688,0:12:33.440 or 0:12:33.440,0:12:34.083 -- in Turkey -- 0:12:34.083,0:12:34.840 it's MIT. 0:12:34.840,0:12:36.316 That's how it works. 0:12:36.316,0:12:38.457 You don't have all these different players 0:12:38.457,0:12:40.349 like it is in the United States 0:12:40.349,0:12:41.929 or is in the United Kingdom. 0:12:41.929,0:12:45.352 You don't have the CIA and FBI and DIA; 0:12:45.352,0:12:47.816 you just have one government[br]intelligence agency. 0:12:47.816,0:12:55.089 So in this case, I am not sure what,[br]exactly, they meant 0:12:55.089,0:12:56.179 -- the parents. 0:12:56.179,0:12:58.751 Did they mean the government was in touch 0:12:58.751,0:13:02.076 -- the government people, the [br]intelligence agencies were in touch -- 0:13:02.076,0:13:02.894 with the brothers? 0:13:02.894,0:13:06.141 Or were they specifically shown [br]the FBI badge 0:13:06.141,0:13:07.721 three to five years ago? 0:13:07.721,0:13:10.379 And were these people really FBI? 0:13:10.379,0:13:14.003 Because my inclination would be that, 0:13:14.003,0:13:16.926 considering the linguistic abiliities 0:13:16.926,0:13:20.006 and the roots of the brothers 0:13:20.006,0:13:21.268 -- especially the older brother -- 0:13:21.268,0:13:23.334 being from the very important area... 0:13:23.334,0:13:24.697 and we don't have many people 0:13:24.697,0:13:26.260 from the Caucasus in the United States. 0:13:26.260,0:13:29.971 And here is this individual who[br]speaks fluent Russian; 0:13:29.971,0:13:32.668 he speaks fluent Chechen; 0:13:32.668,0:13:34.532 familiar with Turkic languages; 0:13:34.532,0:13:36.004 speaks fluent English; 0:13:36.004,0:13:37.590 been here long enough: 0:13:37.590,0:13:43.230 he would be the perfect target to approach 0:13:43.230,0:13:45.616 to recruit for the State Department, 0:13:45.616,0:13:49.104 or CIA a.k.a. State Department. 0:13:49.104,0:13:51.079 It happened to me in 1997 0:13:51.079,0:13:53.590 while I was studying in[br]George Washington University: 0:13:53.590,0:13:56.692 one of my professors tried to recruit me 0:13:56.692,0:13:58.879 for the CIA/State Department. 0:13:58.879,0:14:03.102 Why? Farsi, Turkish, the background, [br]Azerbaijani, et cetera. 0:14:03.102,0:14:10.089 So I could see as a pretty plausible [br]hypothesis here 0:14:10.089,0:14:15.797 the CIA/State Department approaching [br]and recruiting the brothers, OK? 0:14:15.797,0:14:20.555 And then FBI later, in 2011, 0:14:20.555,0:14:22.676 getting a tip from the Russians. 0:14:22.676,0:14:24.355 And you know, FBI is domestic. 0:14:24.355,0:14:28.198 FBI doesn't send people overseas [br]to go to Dagestan 0:14:28.198,0:14:31.548 to collect information and play as assets. 0:14:31.548,0:14:34.007 That is not the way FBI operates. 0:14:34.007,0:14:37.423 They do a lot of screw-ups around, 0:14:37.423,0:14:38.564 but that is not one of them. 0:14:38.564,0:14:40.701 A lot of stuff that I've described here 0:14:40.701,0:14:42.919 fits wtihin the recruitment 0:14:42.919,0:14:44.880 from the CIA, State Department 0:14:44.880,0:14:47.313 for the overseas operation. 0:14:47.313,0:14:49.168 This also fits with the trip 0:14:49.168,0:14:51.160 -- or the trips, plural -- 0:14:51.160,0:14:52.797 that their older brother took 0:14:52.797,0:14:53.989 and went to the region. 0:14:53.989,0:14:56.625 Now FBI, unaware of these, 0:14:56.625,0:14:59.197 may have received, as they say 0:14:59.197,0:15:00.758 -- and it's probably correct -- 0:15:00.758,0:15:02.008 a tip from the Russians, 0:15:02.008,0:15:04.013 the Russian intelligence services. 0:15:04.013,0:15:06.194 And they went and followed up, 0:15:06.194,0:15:08.533 and then they were told by the CIA 0:15:08.533,0:15:11.074 to close and just zip-zip and go away, 0:15:11.074,0:15:14.249 because those guys were under 0:15:14.249,0:15:16.751 -- or at least one of them was under -- 0:15:16.751,0:15:18.817 the CIA control: assets, operatives. 0:15:18.817,0:15:21.225 Because you can't get this tip... 0:15:21.225,0:15:23.411 the story doesn't add up. 0:15:23.411,0:15:25.624 They go look and they find nothing, 0:15:25.624,0:15:28.783 and yet the brother goes to the region, 0:15:28.783,0:15:30.607 supposedly, in 2012; 0:15:30.607,0:15:32.206 then Russia contacts them again. 0:15:32.206,0:15:35.477 And again, I believe Russia knows a lot; 0:15:35.477,0:15:38.226 and right now Russia has been[br]very, very quiet. 0:15:38.226,0:15:40.205 If Russians, the Russian government, 0:15:40.205,0:15:43.638 the Russian intelligence agency wanted to, 0:15:43.638,0:15:46.500 right now, you would be finding[br]a lot of answers. 0:15:46.500,0:15:47.801 They could give us a lot. 0:15:47.801,0:15:50.071 Right now, they are not playing [br]any of those cards; 0:15:50.071,0:15:51.127 they are sitting in silence. 0:15:51.127,0:15:53.687 Which brings us to that next issue: 0:15:53.687,0:15:56.572 and that is why this is happening, 0:15:56.572,0:16:01.507 and what are the factors behind [br]this entire 0:16:01.507,0:16:06.277 badly-scripted, B-grade scripted incident. 0:16:06.277,0:16:09.325 Well, that's exactly right. 0:16:09.325,0:16:10.748 But before we get to that part, 0:16:10.748,0:16:12.077 which extremely important: 0:16:12.077,0:16:14.411 just dwelling on the brothers [br]for a moment, then. 0:16:14.411,0:16:15.485 So, what 0:16:15.485,0:16:16.998 -- I realize this is speculation -- 0:16:16.998,0:16:18.760 but what would be a hypothesis 0:16:18.760,0:16:20.909 for how that would play out [br]if they were... 0:16:20.909,0:16:22.833 for example, had been contacted 0:16:22.833,0:16:24.549 and recruited by the CIA earlier? 0:16:24.549,0:16:27.275 What would be the point of using them 0:16:27.275,0:16:28.806 in an operation like this? 0:16:28.806,0:16:31.059 Are they simply patsies in this operation 0:16:31.059,0:16:34.444 that have been framed for this[br]as convenient tools? 0:16:34.444,0:16:37.186 Were they consciously set up[br]for something like this? 0:16:37.186,0:16:40.887 What is the point of using assets [br]like this in an operation 0:16:40.887,0:16:43.149 -- if that is, in fact, what took place? 0:16:43.149,0:16:46.383 Sometimes it's easier, actually, to look 0:16:46.383,0:16:48.093 and say it could be all of the above. 0:16:48.093,0:16:50.031 For example, if 0:16:50.031,0:16:52.227 -- which I still believe is very likely -- 0:16:52.227,0:16:53.606 CIA recruited them 0:16:53.606,0:16:55.382 and this is why they went to the region... 0:16:55.382,0:16:58.354 one of the things, maybe, we will do later 0:16:58.354,0:17:00.308 is we will show the graph of the violence 0:17:00.308,0:17:01.753 and terrorism in the region 0:17:01.753,0:17:04.212 -- and this is Dagestan and Chechnya. 0:17:04.212,0:17:06.700 And if you look at the peak period, 0:17:06.700,0:17:08.977 which would be up until 2002, 0:17:08.977,0:17:12.698 and if people go and just do their[br]own little research 0:17:12.698,0:17:14.549 from a lot of scholarly papers, 0:17:14.549,0:17:16.961 the Chechen leaders 0:17:16.961,0:17:20.929 -- not the anti-Russian, but the ones [br]that are more dialogue-oriented -- 0:17:20.929,0:17:24.736 they make semi-peace with[br]Russian government. 0:17:24.736,0:17:28.458 And if you look at the violence level, [br]you see that... 0:17:28.458,0:17:36.640 you see a drop from 2002 until [br]about mid- to end of 2010. 0:17:36.640,0:17:41.190 It actually was a pretty, fairly [br]quiet period 0:17:41.190,0:17:46.846 compared to what we had in the [br]late 1990s until 2002, 2003. 0:17:46.846,0:17:50.172 So, and then you would see another peak 0:17:50.172,0:17:53.494 going up starting in 2010, the incidents. 0:17:53.494,0:17:55.160 And you see, actually, a lot of it 0:17:55.160,0:17:56.900 happening in Dagestan, OK? 0:17:56.900,0:17:59.234 So, keep that in mind. 0:17:59.234,0:18:01.645 And then take a look at, like -- 0:18:01.645,0:18:04.372 OK, I'm aware of two trips 0:18:04.372,0:18:06.373 that I'm being told the brothers took: 0:18:06.373,0:18:08.871 that there was one short trip in 2010, 0:18:08.871,0:18:11.885 but there was another longer trip in 2012. 0:18:11.885,0:18:15.416 Now, I'm waiting for further confirmation [br]on this; 0:18:15.416,0:18:19.960 but again, that goes along with [br]what we have been discussing. 0:18:19.960,0:18:23.391 That is bad business for us, our operation 0:18:23.391,0:18:26.012 -- by us, I mean CIA, NATO, the West -- 0:18:26.012,0:18:27.655 and what they would like to see 0:18:27.655,0:18:29.014 on the ground in Russia. 0:18:29.014,0:18:33.549 They like this territory to be sliced up 0:18:33.549,0:18:36.106 and taken away from the Russians. 0:18:36.106,0:18:38.377 We want to get closer and closer [br]to the region. 0:18:38.377,0:18:40.829 This is why it would be great to have[br]our map 0:18:40.829,0:18:43.787 and look at Dagestan and look at Chechnya. 0:18:43.787,0:18:47.969 Also, remember what happened[br]and what took place in 2008. 0:18:47.969,0:18:52.054 In 2008 we had the Georgian-Russian [br]wars, remember? 0:18:52.054,0:18:53.796 And you're looing at South Ossetia, 0:18:53.796,0:18:55.389 and you're looking at Abkhazia. 0:18:55.389,0:19:00.122 So... and again, this is all basically[br]same region: 0:19:00.122,0:19:03.894 Chechnya, Dagestan, South Ossetia,[br]and Abkhazia. 0:19:03.991,0:19:05.909 So, we have Georgia in our hand; 0:19:05.909,0:19:07.402 we have Azerbaijan. 0:19:07.402,0:19:11.207 And then you take a look at what has[br]been happening 0:19:11.207,0:19:13.211 -- but again, I'm gonna go back again 0:19:13.211,0:19:14.320 to what you said about the hypothesis. 0:19:14.320,0:19:19.513 So, with the linguistic abilities,[br]with their roots 0:19:19.513,0:19:22.380 -- they still had their own foreign [br]passports; 0:19:22.380,0:19:24.589 they didn't have... and in fact, this guy 0:19:24.589,0:19:25.850 didn't even have US passport: 0:19:25.850,0:19:27.218 supposedly, it was rejected. 0:19:27.218,0:19:31.652 So, it's one thing for an English-speaking 0:19:31.652,0:19:37.363 American blue-eyed blond guy from CIA 0:19:37.363,0:19:40.765 to go to the region to organize some [br]of these factions 0:19:40.765,0:19:43.969 -- whether it's the Chechens [br]or other factions, Islamic factions -- 0:19:43.969,0:19:46.939 that we have been training [br]and we have been arming, 0:19:46.939,0:19:48.375 we have been putting in place. 0:19:48.375,0:19:53.377 It would be far better to implement [br]some of those tasks 0:19:53.377,0:19:57.051 through the lower-level but local people. 0:19:57.051,0:19:59.523 And here you have a perfect... 0:19:59.523,0:20:04.212 I mean, you have a perfect operative[br]here in your hands, 0:20:04.212,0:20:06.622 someone that you can have[br]implement this stuff. 0:20:06.622,0:20:09.047 And again, you look at the violence level 0:20:09.047,0:20:11.763 going up starting in mid-2010, 0:20:11.763,0:20:14.233 in that particular region [br]we are talking about. 0:20:14.233,0:20:16.366 So this is happening, OK? 0:20:16.366,0:20:19.509 And of course, our foreign [br]policy sometimes 0:20:19.509,0:20:21.320 -- no: all the time, actually -- 0:20:21.320,0:20:23.794 changes based on what is taking place. 0:20:23.794,0:20:26.274 In 2010, we didn't have the Syria thing. 0:20:26.274,0:20:29.282 Maybe we had, in 2011, Libya. 0:20:29.282,0:20:33.087 But with what's happening right now [br]with Syria, 0:20:33.087,0:20:35.656 and Russia being the major obstacle 0:20:35.656,0:20:37.505 -- the only obstacle, roadblock -- 0:20:37.505,0:20:38.800 for our invasion... 0:20:38.800,0:20:41.363 Even though we've been really closing in, 0:20:41.363,0:20:42.464 we've been building up our troops: 0:20:42.464,0:20:44.836 Jordan, Tunisia, Turkey. 0:20:44.836,0:20:49.420 The only reason we haven't[br]done the final cut, 0:20:49.420,0:20:51.070 the final invasion, 0:20:51.070,0:20:53.102 is Russia. That's the only reason. 0:20:53.102,0:20:55.676 So with that brewing in the background... 0:20:55.676,0:20:56.775 so, we have that. 0:20:56.775,0:20:59.943 Two, we have had the Russians 0:20:59.943,0:21:03.691 shutting down the NGOs in Russia. 0:21:03.691,0:21:05.460 These are, most of them, US NGOs; 0:21:05.460,0:21:06.886 and we know that a lot of these NGOs 0:21:06.886,0:21:08.925 are the extension of the CIA. 0:21:08.925,0:21:10.892 This is one way to get into Russia. 0:21:10.892,0:21:15.562 And then we have this whole thing [br]of Americans, US government, 0:21:15.562,0:21:19.536 sanctioning 18 Russians recently[br]in retaliation. 0:21:19.536,0:21:21.867 And then, also 0:21:21.867,0:21:23.180 -- just a few weeks ago -- 0:21:23.180,0:21:28.610 Russia sent a very, very strong [br]message, response, 0:21:28.610,0:21:31.978 to the latest joint military exercise 0:21:31.978,0:21:35.484 between the United States and Georgia, OK? 0:21:35.484,0:21:37.252 And they said, "We don't like this." 0:21:37.252,0:21:39.126 And based on their intelligence, 0:21:39.126,0:21:42.393 things were not as innocent 0:21:42.393,0:21:44.997 as the US wanted to portray 0:21:44.997,0:21:47.427 -- which was, this was geared [br]towards Afghanistan. 0:21:47.427,0:21:49.163 It was far more than that, 0:21:49.163,0:21:51.331 and it has been far more than that[br]with Georgia. 0:21:51.331,0:21:54.101 And again, let's recall 2008: 0:21:54.101,0:21:55.245 Georgian-Russian War. 0:21:55.245,0:21:57.548 So with all these things, 0:21:57.548,0:21:58.906 the scenario can change. 0:21:58.906,0:22:00.393 These guys could have been assets. 0:22:00.393,0:22:02.776 FBI gets the tips from the Russians, 0:22:02.776,0:22:04.512 then they get a tip again 0:22:04.512,0:22:06.379 for the second time from the Russians. 0:22:06.379,0:22:09.515 Then the question becomes, well, 0:22:09.515,0:22:10.519 how have things changed 0:22:10.519,0:22:13.462 between 2009, 2010, to 2012? 0:22:13.462,0:22:16.097 "How to get rid of them?" OK? 0:22:16.097,0:22:17.592 -- possibility. 0:22:17.592,0:22:20.676 Two, "How to get rid of them 0:22:20.676,0:22:25.834 while we achieve several other [br]objectives." 0:22:25.834,0:22:28.701 And one of those objectives may be 0:22:28.701,0:22:29.801 -- we will get into it -- 0:22:29.801,0:22:31.084 what is going on with Syria. 0:22:31.084,0:22:33.398 Is there a possibility that we[br]want to actually, 0:22:33.398,0:22:35.813 maybe, give some deals to the Russians 0:22:35.813,0:22:37.508 or leeways with the Chechens? 0:22:37.508,0:22:38.289 Is it the time? 0:22:38.289,0:22:39.586 We have done it a lot. 0:22:39.586,0:22:40.950 You know, mujahideens are our best friends 0:22:40.950,0:22:42.571 and then our worst enemies. 0:22:42.571,0:22:44.083 We did it in the Balkans: 0:22:44.083,0:22:45.762 KLAs were terrorists; 0:22:45.762,0:22:47.578 then they were our freedom fighters, 0:22:47.578,0:22:48.545 our friends; 0:22:48.545,0:22:49.864 then they were put back again. 0:22:49.864,0:22:52.236 So, Chechens have been our[br]freedom fighters, 0:22:52.236,0:22:53.799 our friends, our operatives. 0:22:53.799,0:22:55.813 We have been doing, arming them. 0:22:55.813,0:22:58.334 So, for a while, we may call it [br]off and say, 0:22:58.334,0:22:59.343 "Chechens are terrorists; 0:22:59.343,0:23:01.479 there are a lot of radicalization[br]going on there; 0:23:01.479,0:23:03.229 they are working with the al-Qaeda." 0:23:03.229,0:23:04.384 And three years down the road, 0:23:04.384,0:23:06.051 we may bring them back as friends again 0:23:06.051,0:23:10.055 and lift the terrorist adjective [br]or title from them: 0:23:10.055,0:23:11.379 that's a possibilit. 0:23:11.379,0:23:13.005 And meanwhile, give time to Russians 0:23:13.005,0:23:17.345 to do... to achieve certain objectives[br]in the region 0:23:17.345,0:23:20.972 when it comes to the problem [br]with Dagestan and Chechnya, 0:23:20.972,0:23:22.493 and in return maybe 0:23:22.493,0:23:23.584 -- get their wars -- 0:23:23.584,0:23:27.349 to back off from the Syria situation. 0:23:27.349,0:23:29.304 And if that's the case... 0:23:29.304,0:23:30.706 for example, if this hypothesis 0:23:30.706,0:23:32.854 -- and I'm emphasizing hypothesis -- 0:23:32.854,0:23:34.092 if that's accurate, 0:23:34.092,0:23:37.498 then within the next week or so, 0:23:37.498,0:23:39.960 we are going to see a change 0:23:39.960,0:23:43.206 in the Russians' attitude with Syria. 0:23:43.206,0:23:45.356 They may back off, 0:23:45.356,0:23:49.426 and the invasion of Syria[br]may come into fruition. 0:23:49.426,0:23:51.687 And if that is the case, 0:23:51.687,0:23:57.145 if this prediction comes true and [br]becomes a reality, 0:23:57.145,0:23:58.858 then we would have to go back 0:23:58.858,0:24:01.395 -- because the mainstream media[br]is not going to do it, James -- 0:24:01.395,0:24:03.014 would have to come back and bring... 0:24:03.014,0:24:04.314 extract this, and say, 0:24:04.314,0:24:09.179 "This happened, that; and within[br]two weeks, Russia backed off. Why?" 0:24:09.179,0:24:11.945 OK? This is how a lot of these foreign [br]games, 0:24:11.945,0:24:13.842 especially within this zone, 0:24:13.842,0:24:15.335 gets to be played. 0:24:15.335,0:24:18.688 Again, the public are always kept[br]outside of it. 0:24:18.688,0:24:21.862 The mainstream media, they only[br]get their script, 0:24:21.862,0:24:23.517 take their script from the[br]State Department. 0:24:23.517,0:24:25.253 Their transcript, they just run it there. 0:24:25.253,0:24:26.562 So, that's one possibility. 0:24:26.562,0:24:29.160 The other possibility, 0:24:29.160,0:24:30.802 if it's not Syria, 0:24:30.802,0:24:36.750 it would be what we have been [br]doing with Georgia. 0:24:36.750,0:24:40.988 Because after the election of[br]Ivanishvili, 0:24:40.988,0:24:42.791 things have been a bit different. 0:24:42.791,0:24:44.197 I mean, people have been saying 0:24:44.197,0:24:45.424 he's siding with the Russians 0:24:45.424,0:24:48.187 because he was Russian-educated. 0:24:48.187,0:24:49.944 But on the other hand, we know about 0:24:49.944,0:24:52.989 all his accounts in the British [br]Virgin Islands. 0:24:52.989,0:24:56.684 We know he has actually become 0:24:56.684,0:24:58.369 much closer to our side. 0:24:58.369,0:25:00.036 And if you look at the latest 0:25:00.036,0:25:03.343 joint NATO and Georgia agreements, 0:25:03.343,0:25:05.499 and operations, and communications, 0:25:05.499,0:25:07.326 and et cetera, 0:25:07.326,0:25:09.250 you will see that Georgia 0:25:09.250,0:25:11.298 -- especially in the past year or so -- 0:25:11.298,0:25:13.289 hasn't been very close to the Russians. 0:25:13.289,0:25:14.895 It's been slipping away. 0:25:14.895,0:25:17.550 And we may see a repeat 0:25:17.550,0:25:21.543 of what we saw in 2008 0:25:21.543,0:25:22.819 between Georgia and Russia 0:25:22.819,0:25:25.713 over the South Ossetian, Abkhazia region. 0:25:25.713,0:25:29.726 The third possibilty would be using this, 0:25:29.726,0:25:32.787 what has been created and scripted here, 0:25:32.787,0:25:34.955 and by making it... 0:25:34.955,0:25:37.321 it gets repeated enough times [br]with the media 0:25:37.321,0:25:39.259 in the next three, four weeks, 0:25:39.259,0:25:42.132 nobody will even utter a word 0:25:42.132,0:25:43.164 when we come and say, 0:25:43.164,0:25:46.742 "We need to focus our attention [br]in the region, 0:25:46.742,0:25:48.845 the new hotbed for al-Qaeda, 0:25:48.845,0:25:50.102 which is the Caucasus." 0:25:50.102,0:25:52.401 What do we do when that's the case, right? 0:25:52.401,0:25:56.771 We want to have more[br]intelligence-gathering power, 0:25:56.771,0:25:57.976 power on the ground: 0:25:57.976,0:26:00.583 and you are looking at inside[br]Russia's territory. 0:26:00.583,0:26:02.213 I don't know: 0:26:02.213,0:26:03.851 I don't think it's very likely, 0:26:03.851,0:26:06.513 but it's a possibility that [br]I would keep in mind. 0:26:06.513,0:26:07.957 Well, then, let's talk about[br]Russia's role in this. 0:26:07.957,0:26:11.356 Because as you indicated, 0:26:11.356,0:26:14.437 the FSB did contact the FBI, allegedly, 0:26:14.437,0:26:17.159 in 2011 to investigate these brothers 0:26:17.159,0:26:19.100 for their potential links to terrorism 0:26:19.100,0:26:22.605 -- which indicates that they were [br]on the radar two years ago, 0:26:22.605,0:26:25.691 even before their second, longer [br]trip to Dagestan. 0:26:25.691,0:26:29.529 So that must be significant, [br]at the very least, 0:26:29.529,0:26:32.343 in terms of... even if they were,[br]for example, 0:26:32.343,0:26:36.211 CIA assets in some way creating a legend, 0:26:36.318,0:26:38.713 at the very least they were getting [br]the attention 0:26:38.713,0:26:39.878 of the FSB and others. 0:26:39.878,0:26:42.819 What does that indicate about[br]what was known, 0:26:42.819,0:26:43.733 or potentially known, 0:26:43.733,0:26:44.673 about these brothers, 0:26:44.673,0:26:47.096 and how that information was passed on[br]to the FBI? 0:26:47.096,0:26:49.361 What can we derive from that, 0:26:49.361,0:26:50.474 and what does that mean about 0:26:50.474,0:26:52.647 what Russia may or may not have up[br]their sleeve 0:26:52.647,0:26:53.707 regarding these brothers? 0:26:53.707,0:26:59.844 Well, my position is they have a lot[br]up their sleeves: 0:26:59.844,0:27:03.040 because they know what's going on. 0:27:03.040,0:27:07.249 We covered this whole thing with[br]Zawahiri, for example, from 1990s. 0:27:07.249,0:27:08.586 I mean, this is very important. 0:27:08.586,0:27:10.356 And people say, "What is the relation?" 0:27:10.356,0:27:12.320 There are so many parallels here. 0:27:12.320,0:27:14.763 They kept them in jail, in Russia. 0:27:14.763,0:27:17.226 And guess where he was travelling, [br]Zawahiri? 0:27:17.226,0:27:20.499 Dagestan. Dagestan, OK? 0:27:20.499,0:27:22.307 He had the laptop... we covered all this. 0:27:22.307,0:27:27.949 Now, with these brothers, all[br]these operations 0:27:27.949,0:27:29.531 that we are conducting in the region: 0:27:29.531,0:27:30.572 they are all within 0:27:30.572,0:27:32.775 the Russian intelligence, FSB's, radar. 0:27:32.775,0:27:33.974 They know what's going on. 0:27:33.974,0:27:38.510 And as I have mentioned in the[br]past episodes, 0:27:38.510,0:27:41.344 for me that is the most puzzling thing: 0:27:41.344,0:27:44.987 and that is Russia's utter silence. 0:27:44.987,0:27:47.574 And we also talked about having 0:27:47.574,0:27:50.201 an episode on Putin, because... 0:27:52.088,0:27:56.386 one of... the psychology of the political leaders in this region 0:27:56.386,0:27:58.169 -- and not only Russia, but even in[br]Turkey. 0:27:58.169,0:28:00.768 Like, in Turkey, Erdogan, [br]the Prime Minister, 0:28:00.768,0:28:03.835 has to really talk tough when [br]it comes to Israel. 0:28:03.899,0:28:05.292 Well, with the Muslim population, 0:28:05.292,0:28:09.507 people being really anti-Zionist[br]in Turkey... 0:28:09.507,0:28:13.586 and so, on the other hand,[br]in the background, 0:28:13.586,0:28:16.289 they are completely the [br]United States' puppet. 0:28:16.289,0:28:17.909 And everybody 0:28:17.909,0:28:19.426 -- all the actors, players -- 0:28:19.426,0:28:20.353 they are aware of this. 0:28:20.353,0:28:23.874 Now, with Putin, that is another question. 0:28:23.874,0:28:29.738 Because again, I am never [br]100 percent certain 0:28:29.738,0:28:33.202 of where Putin is in all this. 0:28:33.202,0:28:34.702 On the one hand, 0:28:34.702,0:28:37.169 we know that if it were to be obvious, 0:28:37.169,0:28:39.607 if it were to get out... let's say, [br]if Putin 0:28:39.607,0:28:44.787 is behind the scenes very close[br]to our players 0:28:44.787,0:28:46.664 -- to our side, to the Western side. 0:28:46.664,0:28:49.278 Then you have the nationalists in Russia, 0:28:49.278,0:28:51.191 you have all the other factions: 0:28:51.191,0:28:52.994 Putin will be a goner, OK? 0:28:52.994,0:28:56.706 He's enjoying his support mainly because 0:28:56.706,0:29:00.402 he's also seen as, number one, [br]Russian and pro-Russia; 0:29:00.402,0:29:01.933 and he has to play tough. 0:29:01.933,0:29:04.664 And there are other factions within Russia 0:29:04.664,0:29:06.205 that would gain the momentum, 0:29:06.205,0:29:07.071 and that would be the end of it. 0:29:07.071,0:29:11.105 And then you come in to this[br]reverse-psychology thing, 0:29:11.105,0:29:12.512 even during the elections. 0:29:12.512,0:29:16.394 If you want the Russians to increase [br]their faith 0:29:16.394,0:29:19.637 or maintain their faith in a leader[br]like Putin, 0:29:19.637,0:29:20.723 what do you do? 0:29:20.723,0:29:23.242 You play as if you don't want Putin [br]to be elected, 0:29:23.242,0:29:26.816 or you are actually disputing [br]the elections process. 0:29:26.816,0:29:30.592 All it does is, it actually gives [br]more power 0:29:30.592,0:29:33.724 and strengthens the position[br]of your puppet there. 0:29:33.724,0:29:36.429 We used to do that with Bashar Assad. 0:29:36.429,0:29:38.985 Before all the stuff with Assad, 0:29:38.985,0:29:42.674 even though Axis of Evil and all this[br]stuff were being talked about, 0:29:42.674,0:29:48.225 FBI was closely working with[br]Assad's intelligence after 9/11. 0:29:48.225,0:29:51.981 Even, we sent our detainees to Syria[br]to be tortured. 0:29:51.981,0:29:55.041 So a lot of BS, but our puppet: 0:29:55.041,0:29:57.262 we want the people there to keep him, 0:29:57.262,0:29:58.886 we don't want any revolution there. 0:29:58.886,0:30:02.895 So it must look like he's tough on us, [br]and we don't like him. 0:30:02.895,0:30:06.277 That's... in reverse psychology,[br]it's a very, very simple concept. 0:30:06.277,0:30:09.363 So I don't know how much of it is [br]due to Putin; 0:30:09.363,0:30:11.447 and one of the things I am hoping[br]to achieve 0:30:11.447,0:30:12.809 with everything we are doing here 0:30:12.809,0:30:14.449 is for other factions 0:30:14.449,0:30:17.545 -- there are other, semi-other political [br]parties there -- 0:30:17.545,0:30:18.798 to put the pressure 0:30:18.798,0:30:20.404 to put out more information 0:30:20.404,0:30:22.083 on what's going on. 0:30:22.083,0:30:25.646 Because that information is also [br]extremely important 0:30:25.646,0:30:29.175 for our people here, for us,[br]for the rest of the world, 0:30:29.175,0:30:31.705 on all these operations: 0:30:31.705,0:30:33.358 creation of terror; 0:30:33.358,0:30:35.120 training of terrorism; 0:30:35.120,0:30:37.518 arming, financing the terrorism 0:30:37.518,0:30:38.926 by the United States. 0:30:38.926,0:30:43.401 And the other thing I want to mention[br]in this is this... 0:30:43.401,0:30:44.167 and I keep hearing 0:30:44.167,0:30:48.479 from some of the more awake people [br]in the United States, 0:30:48.479,0:30:50.838 alternative -- real alternative -- media: 0:30:50.838,0:30:53.712 they keep going back to this theory 0:30:53.712,0:30:56.195 or hypothesis of blowback, OK? 0:30:56.195,0:30:57.602 You can't do that. 0:30:57.602,0:30:58.872 It gets old after a while. 0:30:58.872,0:31:05.643 It's like, "Fool me once, shame on you; [br]fool me twice, shame on me." 0:31:05.643,0:31:08.064 You can't use that and say, well, 0:31:08.064,0:31:11.743 "OK, with Afghans it was a blowback [br]-- was 9/11," right? 0:31:11.743,0:31:12.812 Well, don't we learn? 0:31:12.812,0:31:14.263 If that's the case, you want 0:31:14.263,0:31:16.830 -- like, you don't want to ever commit[br]that, right? 0:31:16.830,0:31:18.456 What have we been doing in Syria? 0:31:18.456,0:31:22.376 We are creating and using a radical [br]faction, 0:31:22.376,0:31:23.799 working with them, 0:31:23.799,0:31:25.819 and that's what we want to plant there. 0:31:25.819,0:31:27.308 Same thing with Egypt. 0:31:27.308,0:31:30.007 Same thing with Central Asia/Caucasus 0:31:30.007,0:31:31.928 and even after 9/11. 0:31:31.928,0:31:34.281 So if it was for the first time 0:31:34.281,0:31:39.202 -- as it was the case with Afghanistan, [br]with Taliban, with al-Qaeda 0:31:39.202,0:31:45.138 in Afghanistan and supposed Bin Laden [br]plan, and putting 9/11 on that -- 0:31:45.138,0:31:47.338 I can understand people doing it once. 0:31:47.338,0:31:50.330 But once you see this as a repeated thing, 0:31:50.330,0:31:52.633 no matter what the consequences 0:31:52.633,0:31:55.383 -- or maybe the consequences are [br]not relevant; 0:31:55.383,0:31:58.102 maybe the consequences are [br]not the consequences -- 0:31:58.102,0:32:01.109 then stop talking about blowback. 0:32:01.109,0:32:03.272 Because I know that a lot of people 0:32:03.272,0:32:04.557 within the intelligence agencies, 0:32:04.557,0:32:06.842 especially the FBI: they are idiots, OK? 0:32:06.842,0:32:09.065 And I'm not saying in a derogatory way: 0:32:09.065,0:32:10.855 not the smartest people. 0:32:10.855,0:32:15.676 Not the most critical-thinking, alert, [br]or educated people. 0:32:15.676,0:32:19.547 But you can't put that all these people[br]in the CIA, 0:32:19.547,0:32:21.505 all these analysts, all these neocons, 0:32:21.505,0:32:23.057 all of these people are stupid: 0:32:23.057,0:32:24.341 "They keep doing the same thing," 0:32:24.341,0:32:25.415 "they get blowback," 0:32:25.415,0:32:26.866 "and then they go and do it again." 0:32:26.866,0:32:30.802 So I'm kind of sensitive to that[br]characterization of, 0:32:30.802,0:32:32.639 "Well, maybe this was another case of: " 0:32:32.639,0:32:34.049 "we work with these people," 0:32:34.049,0:32:35.567 "we train them, we put them in there;" 0:32:35.567,0:32:37.479 "it came back and haunted us." 0:32:37.479,0:32:39.047 And that just doesn't add up. 0:32:39.047,0:32:40.149 It doesn't wash. 0:32:40.149,0:32:41.014 It... after 9/11, 0:32:41.014,0:32:43.863 I hope I won't hear this [laughs] [br]more and more, 0:32:43.863,0:32:47.100 because... and unfortunately,[br]I'm hearing from those people 0:32:47.100,0:32:52.923 who are actually not buying the[br]mainstream media line of reporting, 0:32:52.923,0:32:55.017 and they are coming with their own version 0:32:55.017,0:32:57.992 -- but then they put this label of [br]"blowback" again. 0:32:57.992,0:33:01.449 And that is, sure is, the CIA's [br]favorite lines. 0:33:01.449,0:33:03.079 Come and point at them; 0:33:03.079,0:33:04.037 say, "Yeah, we did that 0:33:04.037,0:33:06.214 -- and then it came back and haunted us."[br][laughs] 0:33:06.214,0:33:10.188 I think we are all a bit sick of that[br]particular line of reasoning 0:33:10.188,0:33:14.848 and how it's trotted out every time [br]that the connections are inevitably found 0:33:14.848,0:33:17.448 between the intelligence agents and [br]these types of events. 0:33:17.448,0:33:21.509 But I think we should also keep room [br]for some skepticism 0:33:21.509,0:33:23.076 over the entire story that's being[br]presented, 0:33:23.076,0:33:26.813 including whether or not these [br]brothers were in any way involved: 0:33:26.813,0:33:28.603 whether they actually were guilty of this. 0:33:28.603,0:33:31.845 And just the latest on that, for example: 0:33:31.845,0:33:35.186 The Blaze has a story up about [br]Governor Deval Patrick, 0:33:35.186,0:33:38.132 who apparently was talking about[br]the video 0:33:38.132,0:33:40.558 showing the bombing suspects [br]dropping their bags and taking cover, 0:33:40.558,0:33:42.094 and he described it as "chilling." 0:33:42.094,0:33:44.986 And then down in the fourth or fifth [br]paragraph of that story, 0:33:44.986,0:33:48.081 they admit that in fact he hadn't seen[br]the videotape: 0:33:48.081,0:33:50.396 he was just describing what had [br]been described to him. 0:33:50.396,0:33:53.636 So again, we still haven't seen the [br]evidence 0:33:53.636,0:33:55.889 that would even truly indicate [br]they were involved. 0:33:55.889,0:33:56.713 You're absolutely right. 0:33:56.713,0:33:59.199 And I know we are mostly focusing[br]here, now 0:33:59.199,0:34:00.260 -- with our coverage -- 0:34:00.260,0:34:02.926 on the international aspects: 0:34:02.926,0:34:05.551 the Great Game and what we have [br]been covering. 0:34:05.551,0:34:08.535 And then I was talking about [br]various objectives 0:34:08.535,0:34:11.051 that could be achieved with this. 0:34:11.051,0:34:12.995 It's like, "Why?" OK? 0:34:12.995,0:34:15.036 So we know that it's not true[br]what happened. 0:34:15.036,0:34:16.641 This is, one way or another... 0:34:16.641,0:34:19.259 and I don't buy the FBI's creation[br]on this, 0:34:19.259,0:34:20.789 even though I know they do a lot 0:34:20.789,0:34:23.113 of false flag in their different ways. 0:34:23.113,0:34:26.754 This has the footprint of the other 0:34:26.754,0:34:29.723 [laughs] the real evil, evil agency 0:34:29.723,0:34:32.131 -- is... the domestic objectives. 0:34:32.131,0:34:33.594 And that is, we... 0:34:33.594,0:34:35.928 they implemented very successfully 0:34:35.928,0:34:40.036 the martial laws there in Boston. 0:34:40.036,0:34:41.499 And it was very... 0:34:41.499,0:34:43.703 -- I mean, truly disgusting -- 0:34:43.703,0:34:47.028 to see how successful it was 0:34:47.028,0:34:48.953 for the United States government. 0:34:48.953,0:34:51.317 You mean, you are looking at [br]one teenager dead, 0:34:51.317,0:34:53.533 the other one on the run: a 19-year-old 0:34:53.533,0:34:55.721 that has no paramilitary training, 0:34:55.721,0:34:57.250 no military training. 0:34:57.250,0:35:00.302 A 19-year-old boy running around loose, 0:35:00.302,0:35:02.339 and they lock down; 0:35:02.339,0:35:04.227 they... the retails; 0:35:04.227,0:35:07.065 and they go and they invade [br]people's homes. 0:35:07.065,0:35:10.962 And it achieved another... 0:35:10.962,0:35:14.145 I mean, domestically it achieved[br]several objectives. 0:35:14.145,0:35:15.736 And one of them is 0:35:15.736,0:35:17.405 -- that is the most important one -- 0:35:17.405,0:35:20.242 is basically the graduation, [br]I would call it: 0:35:20.242,0:35:24.387 the graduation of our police state status. 0:35:24.387,0:35:26.860 Meaning: we were climbing,[br]climbing, getting in there; 0:35:26.860,0:35:28.853 and basically, this was graduation. 0:35:28.853,0:35:32.483 And I was really disgusted: 0:35:32.483,0:35:34.247 I was truly disgusted. 0:35:35.107,0:35:37.088 Very successful for the government. 0:35:37.576,0:35:40.002 It was a great success for the [br]police state. 0:35:40.002,0:35:44.432 And it was a... it's huge blow to us. 0:35:44.432,0:35:47.403 And also, with all that brewing there, 0:35:47.403,0:35:51.403 no emphasis was placed on CISPA, [br]which was happening. 0:35:51.403,0:35:55.716 So, domestic agendas that were[br]achieved automatically... 0:35:55.716,0:35:58.415 so, I don't know if those were the [br]positive externalities: 0:35:58.415,0:36:00.562 "As part of it, we get this thing, too;" 0:36:00.562,0:36:02.036 "so it's a win-win situation." 0:36:02.036,0:36:05.132 As far as the international objectives 0:36:05.132,0:36:10.035 -- what is going to be achieved with [br]this, by this -- 0:36:10.035,0:36:14.425 I would say the next ten days to [br]two weeks going to show us. 0:36:14.425,0:36:17.130 I will keep a close watch on Syria 0:36:17.130,0:36:20.603 and what's going to happen with[br]Russia's position on Syria. 0:36:20.603,0:36:24.344 I will also watch very closely the region 0:36:24.344,0:36:26.731 as far as one of the players there,[br]Georgia 0:36:26.731,0:36:28.506 -- one of our current puppets -- 0:36:28.506,0:36:32.994 Georgia, there, within that region; [br]and Ossetia. 0:36:32.994,0:36:36.945 We may be seeing something very [br]close to 2008, 0:36:36.945,0:36:39.860 Georgian-Russian incidents, 0:36:39.860,0:36:41.421 and I wouldn't be surprised. 0:36:41.421,0:36:45.315 And that, paired up with the new [br]hotbed for al-Qaeda, 0:36:45.315,0:36:48.702 we want to use all this 0:36:48.702,0:36:53.011 to get closer and closer and closer [br]to our objective 0:36:53.011,0:36:56.176 of, as we said, basically surrounding [br]this region. 0:36:56.176,0:36:59.080 To a certain degree, we are doing it [br]with China; 0:36:59.080,0:37:01.542 much bigger degree with Russia. 0:37:01.542,0:37:03.922 Considering the importance of the region 0:37:03.922,0:37:06.536 for our natural resources 0:37:06.536,0:37:09.376 -- gas, oil, minerals -- 0:37:09.376,0:37:12.722 and... far more important than the[br]entire Middle East 0:37:12.722,0:37:14.499 as far as the future is concerned. 0:37:14.499,0:37:16.594 And for decades, 0:37:16.594,0:37:19.490 it's been within the plans, [br]the objectives. 0:37:19.490,0:37:21.094 It's the region we've been... 0:37:21.094,0:37:23.475 our government has set its sight 0:37:23.475,0:37:26.986 -- the real government, the top ones -- 0:37:26.986,0:37:29.404 on this particular region. 0:37:29.404,0:37:32.922 Can you spell out, in some more detail, 0:37:32.922,0:37:35.878 how you think this might play[br]into the Syria situation? 0:37:35.878,0:37:38.609 Because my understanding would[br]be something along the lines 0:37:38.609,0:37:42.799 of the US, perhaps, threatening Russia 0:37:42.799,0:37:45.685 to move into the North Caucasus [br]region more 0:37:45.685,0:37:47.689 unless they got some pay-for-play with 0:37:47.689,0:37:49.656 -- leeway on -- Syria? 0:37:49.656,0:37:50.752 Is that what you're talking about, 0:37:50.752,0:37:52.286 or would there be some other kind of... 0:37:52.286,0:37:54.412 I don't think that would be very likely. 0:37:54.412,0:37:55.751 Because one thing... 0:37:55.751,0:37:57.425 I mean, we have Syrian side. 0:37:57.425,0:37:59.421 We have Iran there, that... 0:37:59.421,0:38:01.378 its turn is coming; it hasn't come yet. 0:38:01.378,0:38:05.115 I don't think we want to have that kind[br]of, really, confrontation 0:38:05.115,0:38:06.506 -- direct confrontation -- 0:38:06.506,0:38:07.709 with Russia. 0:38:07.709,0:38:10.177 But as far as, you mean... 0:38:10.177,0:38:12.539 not "the bribery." The "carrots dangling?" 0:38:12.539,0:38:13.917 Is that what you're asking? 0:38:13.917,0:38:16.237 It's... as I said, it's... 0:38:16.237,0:38:19.888 we had a drop in violence, 0:38:19.888,0:38:21.491 terrorism incidents in the region, 0:38:21.491,0:38:23.398 Dagestan and Chechnya, in 2000 0:38:23.398,0:38:26.403 -- between 2002-2003, and 2010, 0:38:26.403,0:38:28.428 since the semi-peace accord 0:38:28.428,0:38:33.275 between the more dialogue-oriented [br]Chechens 0:38:33.275,0:38:34.544 and the Russian government. 0:38:34.544,0:38:38.616 And then in 2010 we start seeing the [br]graph going up. 0:38:38.616,0:38:41.547 Now, even though... 0:38:41.547,0:38:44.551 I mean, especially from economic aspects[br]as well, 0:38:44.551,0:38:48.693 because Russia also has pretty[br]economically-important relationship 0:38:48.693,0:38:50.083 with the entire Europe as well, 0:38:50.083,0:38:56.156 it has acted as a restraint on Russia[br]to really tackle... 0:38:56.156,0:38:59.265 because there are cells there,[br]a lot of them. 0:38:59.265,0:39:01.231 These are our creation, cells. 0:39:01.231,0:39:05.932 And I keep saying, The United States [br]of America, NATO, Operation Gladio: 0:39:05.932,0:39:09.655 in the region, and with Chechens. 0:39:09.655,0:39:11.329 Because we have been arming them; 0:39:11.329,0:39:12.431 we have been protecting them. 0:39:12.431,0:39:15.624 And there is also the PR aspects[br]of it worldwide: 0:39:15.624,0:39:19.363 and that is, if Russia responds[br]as is required for 0:39:19.363,0:39:22.338 this radical terrorism inside 0:39:22.338,0:39:27.562 -- even though it's within its borders [br]in Dagestan and Chechnya -- 0:39:27.562,0:39:30.510 there will be our mainstream media [br]everywhere. 0:39:30.510,0:39:31.893 Europe, United States: 0:39:31.893,0:39:34.181 "The Russians abusing it..." 0:39:34.181,0:39:41.034 "This is the suffocation of the minority[br]in Russia." 0:39:41.034,0:39:43.591 And it can get, really, portrayed awfully. 0:39:43.591,0:39:47.027 And that provides more excuse, reason, 0:39:47.027,0:39:50.855 for us in the region to try to interfere. 0:39:50.855,0:39:54.118 You're gonna start seeing Amnesty [br]International and the United Nations. 0:39:54.118,0:39:56.992 This is something that Russia doesn't [br]want, OK? 0:39:56.992,0:39:58.877 They just don't want that. 0:39:58.877,0:40:00.910 They want more free hand to do it 0:40:00.910,0:40:04.894 with lesser degree of international [br]bad PR. 0:40:04.894,0:40:07.571 So it is possible that by now 0:40:07.571,0:40:11.424 -- as I said, being our friends, [br]freedom fighters for a while -- 0:40:11.424,0:40:14.215 the United States would declare that area 0:40:14.215,0:40:17.158 -- Dagestan and Chechnya, and Chechens -- 0:40:17.158,0:40:18.371 as the real bad guys: 0:40:18.371,0:40:20.373 "There are some al-Qaeda cells there." 0:40:20.373,0:40:24.444 Give the Russians the, you know, [br]wink-wink: 0:40:24.444,0:40:26.241 "Here: you have the leeway;" 0:40:26.241,0:40:28.881 "go and do some of the operations [br]you like to do." 0:40:28.881,0:40:31.584 And because this is right[br]after this incident, 0:40:31.584,0:40:35.084 it won't generate that kind of publicity, 0:40:35.084,0:40:37.414 that kind of bad PR. Because, 0:40:37.414,0:40:39.453 "Hey! Actually, Russia's doing a [br]good thing." 0:40:39.453,0:40:41.668 "Those guys, aren't they working[br]with al-Qaeda?" 0:40:41.668,0:40:43.178 "Good for the Russians!" 0:40:43.178,0:40:44.510 Suddenly they are not freedom fighters. 0:40:44.510,0:40:48.525 For a while, we're gonna have Chechens[br]to be our al-Qaeda: 0:40:48.525,0:40:50.924 bad-bad-boogeyman terrorists, OK? 0:40:50.924,0:40:53.443 And just like with Mujahideen e-Khalq 0:40:53.443,0:40:55.024 -- the MEK, KLA -- 0:40:55.024,0:40:56.344 later, we may lift it. 0:40:56.344,0:40:57.644 And we may say, 0:40:57.644,0:40:59.260 "Let's go back to normal." [laughs] 0:40:59.260,0:41:01.356 "And they will be the good guys;" 0:41:01.356,0:41:04.321 "we'll no longer designate them [br]as terrorists." 0:41:04.321,0:41:06.489 So if that's the case, Russians would say, 0:41:06.489,0:41:11.191 "OK, wall torn down on Syria.[br]Go ahead, do this." 0:41:11.191,0:41:13.638 And this doesn't apply to Iran. 0:41:13.638,0:41:15.395 And then, Russia: 0:41:15.395,0:41:18.122 we will be seeing some activities[br]by Russians there 0:41:18.122,0:41:22.967 conducting operations to clean up[br]the regions of some of the cells. 0:41:22.967,0:41:26.113 That's a collateral damage for the CIA [br]and the NATO. 0:41:26.113,0:41:29.305 "They are our guys; but hey, what:[br]kill thousands of them." 0:41:29.305,0:41:30.545 "We will look the other way." 0:41:30.545,0:41:33.637 "In a couple of years we can put[br]to thousand more in place there." 0:41:33.637,0:41:35.989 That's how it's usually played. 0:41:35.989,0:41:38.752 That is one hypothesis that[br]I'm leaning towards. 0:41:38.752,0:41:41.405 All right, there is an awful lot [br]to digest. 0:41:41.405,0:41:44.168 And as you say, this is a [br]developing story: 0:41:44.168,0:41:45.699 so we will see in the coming weeks 0:41:45.699,0:41:48.777 how this does play out or does [br]not play out internationally 0:41:48.777,0:41:50.074 on the geopolitical scene. 0:41:50.074,0:41:51.822 So we'll have to keep our eye on that, 0:41:51.822,0:41:53.668 and I would suggest people keep their eye 0:41:53.668,0:41:55.842 on BoilingFrogsPost.com for more on that, 0:41:55.842,0:41:58.271 and be following the nightly news[br]and editorials 0:41:58.271,0:42:00.819 as this continues to play out[br]in the headlines. 0:42:00.819,0:42:02.006 But before we go, 0:42:02.006,0:42:05.018 just one other domestic aspect of this[br]that I wanted to talk about 0:42:05.018,0:42:08.325 is the issue over Mirandizing Dzhokar 0:42:08.325,0:42:12.085 and whether or not he should have[br]been Mirandized, 0:42:12.085,0:42:13.720 and the public safety exemption, 0:42:13.720,0:42:16.378 and all of this that's now raging,[br]right now. 0:42:16.378,0:42:17.398 What's your take on that? 0:42:17.398,0:42:22.636 It goes right along with the martial[br]law that was implemented. 0:42:22.636,0:42:27.565 And this is the test for the designation [br]of enemy combatants. 0:42:23.762,0:42:27.565 And this is... 0:42:27.565,0:42:36.029 this is, unfortunately, a very[br]successful test-drive 0:42:36.029,0:42:39.875 for the police state practices, 0:42:39.875,0:42:43.671 for what we're gonna be seeing more[br]and more. 0:42:43.671,0:42:46.793 Because as we know, it doesn't [br]happen overnight. 0:42:46.793,0:42:50.629 With these two, once they set precedents 0:42:50.629,0:42:53.492 -- and this is what's going to happen, [br]it's gonna set precedents -- 0:42:53.492,0:42:56.427 and then we're gonna be seeing [br]more and more. 0:42:56.427,0:42:58.283 And as we know, the federal courts, 0:42:58.283,0:43:00.765 they have been hands-off since 9/11 0:43:00.765,0:43:01.874 with all these issues. 0:43:01.874,0:43:08.618 And we are not gonna see, [br]unfortunately, public outcry, outrage. 0:43:08.618,0:43:10.792 As we have seen, they're busy right now 0:43:10.792,0:43:12.623 singing Neil Diamond's "Sweet Caroline," 0:43:12.623,0:43:14.711 and they thought this was a... 0:43:14.711,0:43:22.021 unfortunately, they see it as a case 0:43:22.021,0:43:23.435 of government protecting them. 0:43:23.435,0:43:24.900 And this is what, exactly, happens 0:43:24.900,0:43:27.752 in every single instance of a [br]police state. 0:43:27.752,0:43:29.868 And it goes right there with martial law; 0:43:29.868,0:43:31.097 and it was successful for them. 0:43:31.097,0:43:35.529 And I mean, if it would have [br]happened somewhere in the South, 0:43:35.529,0:43:37.219 I could even understand more. 0:43:37.219,0:43:40.727 But now I'm thinking Boston's maybe 0:43:40.727,0:43:43.751 a lesser-degree of libertarian-minded. 0:43:43.751,0:43:45.368 I'm not talking about libertarian party: 0:43:45.368,0:43:48.476 you're looking at those Harvard, [br]Yale guys and women 0:43:48.476,0:43:49.926 and all the manicured people. 0:43:49.926,0:43:55.468 And so obviously it's happening [br]in an educated... 0:43:55.468,0:43:57.858 I mean, come on, Boston, OK? 0:43:57.858,0:43:59.995 You know, Ivy League colleges there. 0:43:59.995,0:44:05.298 If they can do it and so successfully [br]implement it in Boston, 0:44:05.298,0:44:08.951 it's going to be slam-dunk in elsewhere. 0:44:08.951,0:44:11.767 And I'm still keeping some high hopes 0:44:11.767,0:44:13.965 for more libertarian-minded states 0:44:13.965,0:44:14.986 where they can say, 0:44:14.986,0:44:17.489 "You are not getting into my house. [br]Go, bring your warrant." 0:44:17.489,0:44:20.377 We are not gonna see it in New England,[br]I guess. 0:44:20.377,0:44:24.117 And we have some very nice supporters,[br]friends from New England: 0:44:24.117,0:44:25.561 I'm not including you. 0:44:25.561,0:44:28.951 But I've really never had that much[br]of high opinion 0:44:28.951,0:44:31.086 of a lot of these analysts that pop out of 0:44:31.086,0:44:34.686 Boston colleges and[br]universities there. [laughs] 0:44:34.686,0:44:35.870 Well, they proved themselves; 0:44:35.870,0:44:39.654 so I think they are busy with their [br]Neil Diamond and celebrations 0:44:39.654,0:44:42.253 instead of grieving their losses. 0:44:42.253,0:44:44.695 Absolutely. Well, we will have to... 0:44:44.695,0:44:47.119 again, we'll have to see if the public 0:44:47.119,0:44:49.498 will start to question any of [br]what went on, 0:44:49.498,0:44:52.146 or whether this will all just [br]become part of the lore. 0:44:52.146,0:44:53.329 At any rate, again, 0:44:53.329,0:44:54.640 there's an awful lot to go [br]through in this, 0:44:54.640,0:44:57.257 and we'll have to continue to keep [br]our eye on it. 0:44:57.257,0:44:59.584 Once again, I recommend[br]BoilingFrogsPost.com 0:44:59.584,0:45:01.418 for people out there to keep[br]their eye on all of this, 0:45:01.418,0:45:03.574 and we'll continue to keep in touch 0:45:03.574,0:45:05.167 on this and other issues. 0:45:05.167,0:45:07.014 So Sibel, thank you so much [br]for your time today. 0:45:07.014,0:45:09.298 And thank you, James. 0:45:09.298,0:45:11.043 [MUSIC] 0:45:11.191,0:45:12.537 (James [voice-over]): This video is[br]brought to you 0:45:12.537,0:45:14.091 by the subscribers [br]of BoilingFrogsPost.com. 0:45:14.091,0:45:16.291 For more information on this [br]and other topics, 0:45:16.291,0:45:18.282 please go to BoilingFrogsPost.com. 0:45:18.282,0:45:20.744 For more information and [br]commentary from James Corbett, 0:45:20.744,0:45:23.085 please go to CorbettReport.com. 0:45:23.085,0:45:25.000 [Captioning by "Adjuvant" licensed under CC-BY 4.0]