1 00:00:00,578 --> 00:00:02,601 Look, I had second thoughts, really, 2 00:00:02,601 --> 00:00:04,636 about whether I could talk about this 3 00:00:04,636 --> 00:00:07,676 to such a vital and alive audience as you guys. 4 00:00:07,676 --> 00:00:10,266 Then I remembered the quote from Gloria Steinem, 5 00:00:10,266 --> 00:00:11,905 which goes, 6 00:00:11,905 --> 00:00:13,836 "The truth will set you free, 7 00:00:13,836 --> 00:00:17,795 but first it will piss you off." (Laughter) 8 00:00:17,795 --> 00:00:20,063 So -- (Laughter) 9 00:00:20,063 --> 00:00:22,187 So with that in mind, I'm going to set about 10 00:00:22,187 --> 00:00:23,778 trying to do those things here, 11 00:00:23,778 --> 00:00:25,640 and talk about dying in the 21st century. 12 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,040 Now the first thing that will piss you off, undoubtedly, 13 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,659 is that all of us are, in fact, going to die 14 00:00:30,659 --> 00:00:31,733 in the 21st century. 15 00:00:31,733 --> 00:00:34,123 There will be no exceptions to that. 16 00:00:34,123 --> 00:00:36,780 There are, apparently, about one in eight of you 17 00:00:36,780 --> 00:00:39,304 who think you're immortal, on surveys, but -- 18 00:00:39,304 --> 00:00:41,482 (Laughter) 19 00:00:41,482 --> 00:00:46,095 Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen. 20 00:00:46,095 --> 00:00:47,748 While I give this talk, in the next 10 minutes, 21 00:00:47,748 --> 00:00:51,244 a hundred million of my cells will die, 22 00:00:51,244 --> 00:00:53,838 and over the course of today, 2,000 of my brain cells 23 00:00:53,838 --> 00:00:55,979 will die and never come back, 24 00:00:55,979 --> 00:00:58,060 so you could argue that the dying process 25 00:00:58,060 --> 00:01:00,138 starts pretty early in the piece. 26 00:01:00,138 --> 00:01:02,252 Anyway, the second thing I want to say about dying in the 27 00:01:02,252 --> 00:01:04,617 21st century, apart from it's going to happen to everybody, 28 00:01:04,617 --> 00:01:07,233 is it's shaping up to be a bit of a train wreck 29 00:01:07,233 --> 00:01:09,578 for most of us, 30 00:01:09,578 --> 00:01:12,547 unless we do something to try and reclaim this process 31 00:01:12,547 --> 00:01:16,264 from the rather inexorable trajectory that it's currently on. 32 00:01:16,264 --> 00:01:18,072 So there you go. That's the truth. 33 00:01:18,072 --> 00:01:19,503 No doubt that will piss you off, and now let's see 34 00:01:19,503 --> 00:01:22,479 whether we can set you free. I don't promise anything. 35 00:01:22,479 --> 00:01:25,062 Now, as you heard in the intro, I work in intensive care, 36 00:01:25,062 --> 00:01:28,166 and I think I've kind of lived through the heyday 37 00:01:28,166 --> 00:01:30,173 of intensive care. It's been a ride, man. 38 00:01:30,173 --> 00:01:31,373 This has been fantastic. 39 00:01:31,373 --> 00:01:32,528 We have machines that go ping. 40 00:01:32,528 --> 00:01:34,838 There's many of them up there. 41 00:01:34,838 --> 00:01:37,582 And we have some wizard technology which I think 42 00:01:37,582 --> 00:01:40,094 has worked really well, and over the course of the time 43 00:01:40,094 --> 00:01:42,166 I've worked in intensive care, the death rate 44 00:01:42,166 --> 00:01:44,536 for males in Australia has halved, 45 00:01:44,536 --> 00:01:46,155 and intensive care has had something to do with that. 46 00:01:46,155 --> 00:01:48,163 Certainly, a lot of the technologies that we use 47 00:01:48,163 --> 00:01:50,383 have got something to do with that. 48 00:01:50,383 --> 00:01:52,887 So we have had tremendous success, and we kind of 49 00:01:52,887 --> 00:01:55,241 got caught up in our own success quite a bit, 50 00:01:55,241 --> 00:01:58,865 and we started using expressions like "lifesaving." 51 00:01:58,865 --> 00:02:00,999 I really apologize to everybody for doing that, 52 00:02:00,999 --> 00:02:02,229 because obviously, we don't. 53 00:02:02,229 --> 00:02:04,757 What we do is prolong people's lives, 54 00:02:04,757 --> 00:02:06,858 and delay death, 55 00:02:06,858 --> 00:02:09,703 and redirect death, but we can't, strictly speaking, 56 00:02:09,703 --> 00:02:12,558 save lives on any sort of permanent basis. 57 00:02:12,558 --> 00:02:14,543 And what's really happened over the period of time 58 00:02:14,543 --> 00:02:17,182 that I've been working in intensive care is that 59 00:02:17,182 --> 00:02:20,752 the people whose lives we started saving back in the '70s, 60 00:02:20,752 --> 00:02:25,230 '80s, and '90s, are now coming to die in the 21st century 61 00:02:25,230 --> 00:02:28,830 of diseases that we no longer have the answers to 62 00:02:28,830 --> 00:02:31,340 in quite the way we did then. 63 00:02:31,340 --> 00:02:33,215 So what's happening now is there's been a big shift 64 00:02:33,215 --> 00:02:35,022 in the way that people die, 65 00:02:35,022 --> 00:02:37,293 and most of what they're dying of now isn't as amenable 66 00:02:37,293 --> 00:02:40,119 to what we can do as what it used to be like 67 00:02:40,119 --> 00:02:44,030 when I was doing this in the '80s and '90s. 68 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:46,894 So we kind of got a bit caught up with this, 69 00:02:46,894 --> 00:02:49,927 and we haven't really squared with you guys about 70 00:02:49,927 --> 00:02:53,982 what's really happening now, and it's about time we did. 71 00:02:53,982 --> 00:02:57,373 I kind of woke up to this bit in the late '90s 72 00:02:57,373 --> 00:02:59,467 when I met this guy. 73 00:02:59,467 --> 00:03:03,824 This guy is called Jim, Jim Smith, and he looked like this. 74 00:03:03,824 --> 00:03:06,127 I was called down to the ward to see him. 75 00:03:06,127 --> 00:03:08,372 His is the little hand. 76 00:03:08,372 --> 00:03:09,758 I was called down to the ward to see him 77 00:03:09,758 --> 00:03:10,852 by a respiratory physician. 78 00:03:10,852 --> 00:03:13,028 He said, "Look, there's a guy down here. 79 00:03:13,028 --> 00:03:14,628 He's got pneumonia, 80 00:03:14,628 --> 00:03:17,133 and he looks like he needs intensive care. 81 00:03:17,133 --> 00:03:19,207 His daughter's here and she wants everything possible 82 00:03:19,207 --> 00:03:21,738 to be done." 83 00:03:21,738 --> 00:03:24,357 Which is a familiar phrase to us. 84 00:03:24,357 --> 00:03:26,188 So I go down to the ward and see Jim, 85 00:03:26,188 --> 00:03:27,873 and his skin his translucent like this. 86 00:03:27,873 --> 00:03:30,123 You can see his bones through the skin. 87 00:03:30,123 --> 00:03:31,661 He's very, very thin, 88 00:03:31,661 --> 00:03:35,043 and he is, indeed, very sick with pneumonia, 89 00:03:35,043 --> 00:03:36,524 and he's too sick to talk to me, 90 00:03:36,524 --> 00:03:41,674 so I talk to his daughter Kathleen, and I say to her, 91 00:03:41,674 --> 00:03:44,638 "Did you and Jim ever talk about 92 00:03:44,638 --> 00:03:46,321 what you would want done 93 00:03:46,321 --> 00:03:48,335 if he ended up in this kind of situation?" 94 00:03:48,335 --> 00:03:52,064 And she looked at me and said, "No, of course not!" 95 00:03:52,064 --> 00:03:57,124 I thought, "Okay. Take this steady." 96 00:03:57,124 --> 00:03:59,968 And I got talking to her, and after a while, she said to me, 97 00:03:59,968 --> 00:04:02,971 "You know, we always thought there'd be time." 98 00:04:02,971 --> 00:04:06,737 Jim was 94. (Laughter) 99 00:04:06,737 --> 00:04:09,271 And I realized that something wasn't happening here. 100 00:04:09,271 --> 00:04:10,595 There wasn't this dialogue going on 101 00:04:10,595 --> 00:04:13,248 that I imagined was happening. 102 00:04:13,248 --> 00:04:16,255 So a group of us started doing survey work, 103 00:04:16,255 --> 00:04:18,475 and we looked at four and a half thousand nursing home 104 00:04:18,475 --> 00:04:21,815 residents in Newcastle, in the Newcastle area, 105 00:04:21,815 --> 00:04:24,762 and discovered that only one in a hundred of them 106 00:04:24,762 --> 00:04:27,827 had a plan about what to do when their hearts stopped beating. 107 00:04:27,827 --> 00:04:28,966 One in a hundred. 108 00:04:28,966 --> 00:04:32,307 And only one in 500 of them had plan about what to do 109 00:04:32,307 --> 00:04:35,404 if they became seriously ill. 110 00:04:35,404 --> 00:04:38,164 And I realized, of course, this dialogue 111 00:04:38,164 --> 00:04:42,800 is definitely not occurring in the public at large. 112 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,278 Now, I work in acute care. 113 00:04:44,278 --> 00:04:46,383 This is John Hunter Hospital. 114 00:04:46,383 --> 00:04:50,384 And I thought, surely, we do better than that. 115 00:04:50,384 --> 00:04:53,380 So a colleague of mine from nursing called Lisa Shaw and I 116 00:04:53,380 --> 00:04:55,896 went through hundreds and hundreds of sets of notes 117 00:04:55,896 --> 00:04:57,169 in the medical records department 118 00:04:57,169 --> 00:04:59,790 looking at whether there was any sign at all 119 00:04:59,790 --> 00:05:02,218 that anybody had had any conversation about 120 00:05:02,218 --> 00:05:04,071 what might happen to them if the treatment they were 121 00:05:04,071 --> 00:05:07,415 receiving was unsuccessful to the point that they would die. 122 00:05:07,415 --> 00:05:10,356 And we didn't find a single record of any preference 123 00:05:10,356 --> 00:05:14,200 about goals, treatments or outcomes from any 124 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,770 of the sets of notes initiated by a doctor or by a patient. 125 00:05:18,770 --> 00:05:21,487 So we started to realize 126 00:05:21,487 --> 00:05:23,688 that we had a problem, 127 00:05:23,688 --> 00:05:28,711 and the problem is more serious because of this. 128 00:05:28,711 --> 00:05:32,013 What we know is that obviously we are all going to die, 129 00:05:32,013 --> 00:05:34,678 but how we die is actually really important, 130 00:05:34,678 --> 00:05:38,233 obviously not just to us, but also to how that 131 00:05:38,233 --> 00:05:41,367 features in the lives of all the people who live on afterwards. 132 00:05:41,367 --> 00:05:43,688 How we die lives on in the minds of everybody 133 00:05:43,688 --> 00:05:46,805 who survives us, and 134 00:05:46,805 --> 00:05:50,537 the stress created in families by dying is enormous, 135 00:05:50,537 --> 00:05:53,223 and in fact you get seven times as much stress by dying 136 00:05:53,223 --> 00:05:55,960 in intensive care as by dying just about anywhere else, 137 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,038 so dying in intensive care is not your top option 138 00:05:59,038 --> 00:06:01,496 if you've got a choice. 139 00:06:01,496 --> 00:06:03,665 And, if that wasn't bad enough, of course, 140 00:06:03,665 --> 00:06:06,313 all of this is rapidly progressing towards the fact that 141 00:06:06,313 --> 00:06:08,665 many of you, in fact, about one in 10 of you at this point, 142 00:06:08,665 --> 00:06:10,115 will die in intensive care. 143 00:06:10,115 --> 00:06:11,449 In the U.S., it's one in five. 144 00:06:11,449 --> 00:06:15,199 In Miami, it's three out of five people die in intensive care. 145 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:17,264 So this is the sort of momentum 146 00:06:17,264 --> 00:06:19,552 that we've got at the moment. 147 00:06:19,552 --> 00:06:22,097 The reason why this is all happening is due to this, 148 00:06:22,097 --> 00:06:23,399 and I do have to take you through what this is about. 149 00:06:23,399 --> 00:06:25,364 These are the four ways to go. 150 00:06:25,364 --> 00:06:28,229 So one of these will happen to all of us. 151 00:06:28,229 --> 00:06:30,759 The ones you may know most about are the ones 152 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:33,605 that are becoming increasingly of historical interest: 153 00:06:33,605 --> 00:06:35,022 sudden death. 154 00:06:35,022 --> 00:06:36,467 It's quite likely in an audience this size 155 00:06:36,467 --> 00:06:39,018 this won't happen to anybody here. 156 00:06:39,018 --> 00:06:40,748 Sudden death has become very rare. 157 00:06:40,748 --> 00:06:43,203 The death of Little Nell and Cordelia and all that sort of stuff 158 00:06:43,203 --> 00:06:44,876 just doesn't happen anymore. 159 00:06:44,876 --> 00:06:47,293 The dying process of those with terminal illness 160 00:06:47,293 --> 00:06:48,325 that we've just seen 161 00:06:48,325 --> 00:06:49,940 occurs to younger people. 162 00:06:49,940 --> 00:06:52,790 By the time you've reached 80, this is unlikely to happen to you. 163 00:06:52,790 --> 00:06:56,205 Only one in 10 people who are over 80 will die of cancer. 164 00:06:56,205 --> 00:07:01,040 The big growth industry are these. 165 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,291 What you die of is increasing organ failure, 166 00:07:04,291 --> 00:07:06,526 with your respiratory, cardiac, renal, 167 00:07:06,526 --> 00:07:08,306 whatever organs packing up. Each of these 168 00:07:08,306 --> 00:07:10,909 would be an admission to an acute care hospital, 169 00:07:10,909 --> 00:07:12,878 at the end of which, or at some point during which, 170 00:07:12,878 --> 00:07:15,054 somebody says, enough is enough, and we stop. 171 00:07:15,054 --> 00:07:17,622 And this one's the biggest growth industry of all, 172 00:07:17,622 --> 00:07:20,197 and at least six out of 10 of the people in this room 173 00:07:20,197 --> 00:07:22,759 will die in this form, which is 174 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:26,653 the dwindling of capacity 175 00:07:26,653 --> 00:07:28,972 with increasing frailty, 176 00:07:28,972 --> 00:07:31,222 and frailty's an inevitable part of aging, 177 00:07:31,222 --> 00:07:33,775 and increasing frailty is in fact the main thing 178 00:07:33,775 --> 00:07:34,824 that people die of now, 179 00:07:34,824 --> 00:07:36,952 and the last few years, or the last year of your life 180 00:07:36,952 --> 00:07:40,967 is spent with a great deal of disability, unfortunately. 181 00:07:40,967 --> 00:07:44,351 Enjoying it so far? (Laughs) 182 00:07:44,351 --> 00:07:47,504 (Laughter) 183 00:07:47,504 --> 00:07:50,932 Sorry, I just feel such a, I feel such a Cassandra here. 184 00:07:50,932 --> 00:07:56,090 (Laughter) 185 00:07:56,090 --> 00:07:57,149 What can I say that's positive? What's positive is 186 00:07:57,149 --> 00:07:59,564 that this is happening at very great age, now. 187 00:07:59,564 --> 00:08:02,309 We are all, most of us, living to reach this point. 188 00:08:02,309 --> 00:08:04,197 You know, historically, we didn't do that. 189 00:08:04,197 --> 00:08:05,666 This is what happens to you 190 00:08:05,666 --> 00:08:08,189 when you live to be a great age, 191 00:08:08,189 --> 00:08:10,078 and unfortunately, increasing longevity does mean 192 00:08:10,078 --> 00:08:12,005 more old age, not more youth. 193 00:08:12,005 --> 00:08:18,098 I'm sorry to say that. (Laughter) 194 00:08:18,098 --> 00:08:19,895 What we did, anyway, look, what we did, 195 00:08:19,895 --> 00:08:21,422 we didn't just take this lying down 196 00:08:21,422 --> 00:08:22,924 at John Hunter Hospital and elsewhere. 197 00:08:22,924 --> 00:08:24,546 We've started a whole series of projects 198 00:08:24,546 --> 00:08:27,542 to try and look about whether we could, in fact, involve 199 00:08:27,542 --> 00:08:31,036 people much more in the way that things happen to them. 200 00:08:31,036 --> 00:08:32,268 But we realized, of course, that we are dealing 201 00:08:32,268 --> 00:08:34,612 with cultural issues, 202 00:08:34,612 --> 00:08:36,471 and this is, I love this Klimt painting, 203 00:08:36,471 --> 00:08:38,676 because the more you look at it, the more you kind of get 204 00:08:38,676 --> 00:08:40,695 the whole issue that's going on here, 205 00:08:40,695 --> 00:08:44,213 which is clearly the separation of death from the living, 206 00:08:44,213 --> 00:08:46,093 and the fear — Like, if you actually look, 207 00:08:46,093 --> 00:08:47,268 there's one woman there 208 00:08:47,268 --> 00:08:49,187 who has her eyes open. 209 00:08:49,187 --> 00:08:50,872 She's the one he's looking at, 210 00:08:50,872 --> 00:08:54,100 and [she's] the one he's coming for. Can you see that? 211 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:55,626 She looks terrified. 212 00:08:55,626 --> 00:08:57,319 It's an amazing picture. 213 00:08:57,319 --> 00:08:59,540 Anyway, we had a major cultural issue. 214 00:08:59,540 --> 00:09:01,524 Clearly, people didn't want us to talk about death, 215 00:09:01,524 --> 00:09:03,019 or, we thought that. 216 00:09:03,019 --> 00:09:04,966 So with loads of funding from the Federal Government 217 00:09:04,966 --> 00:09:06,386 and the local Health Service, we introduced a thing 218 00:09:06,386 --> 00:09:09,284 at John Hunter called Respecting Patient Choices. 219 00:09:09,284 --> 00:09:12,133 We trained hundreds of people to go to the wards 220 00:09:12,133 --> 00:09:15,276 and talk to people about the fact that they would die, 221 00:09:15,276 --> 00:09:17,562 and what would they prefer under those circumstances. 222 00:09:17,562 --> 00:09:21,081 They loved it. The families and the patients, they loved it. 223 00:09:21,081 --> 00:09:23,541 Ninety-eight percent of people really thought 224 00:09:23,541 --> 00:09:24,995 this just should have been normal practice, 225 00:09:24,995 --> 00:09:27,378 and that this is how things should work. 226 00:09:27,378 --> 00:09:29,316 And when they expressed wishes, 227 00:09:29,316 --> 00:09:31,289 all of those wishes came true, as it were. 228 00:09:31,289 --> 00:09:33,269 We were able to make that happen for them. 229 00:09:33,269 --> 00:09:35,519 But then, when the funding ran out, 230 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:37,604 we went back to look six months later, 231 00:09:37,604 --> 00:09:39,871 and everybody had stopped again, 232 00:09:39,871 --> 00:09:43,064 and nobody was having these conversations anymore. 233 00:09:43,064 --> 00:09:45,117 So that was really kind of heartbreaking for us, 234 00:09:45,117 --> 00:09:47,834 because we thought this was going to really take off. 235 00:09:47,834 --> 00:09:51,805 The cultural issue had reasserted itself. 236 00:09:51,805 --> 00:09:52,960 So here's the pitch: 237 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,046 I think it's important that we don't just get on this freeway 238 00:09:57,046 --> 00:09:59,545 to ICU without thinking hard about whether or not 239 00:09:59,545 --> 00:10:01,338 that's where we all want to end up, 240 00:10:01,338 --> 00:10:03,474 particularly as we become older and increasingly frail 241 00:10:03,474 --> 00:10:07,128 and ICU has less and less and less to offer us. 242 00:10:07,128 --> 00:10:09,458 There has to be a little side road 243 00:10:09,458 --> 00:10:13,933 off there for people who don't want to go on that track. 244 00:10:13,933 --> 00:10:16,569 And I have one small idea, 245 00:10:16,569 --> 00:10:21,018 and one big idea about what could happen. 246 00:10:21,018 --> 00:10:22,079 And this is the small idea. 247 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:24,860 The small idea is, let's all of us 248 00:10:24,860 --> 00:10:28,796 engage more with this in the way that Jason has illustrated. 249 00:10:28,796 --> 00:10:30,849 Why can't we have these kinds of conversations 250 00:10:30,849 --> 00:10:32,170 with our own elders 251 00:10:32,170 --> 00:10:34,960 and people who might be approaching this? 252 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,794 There are a couple of things you can do. 253 00:10:36,794 --> 00:10:38,925 One of them is, you can, 254 00:10:38,925 --> 00:10:41,839 just ask this simple question. This question never fails. 255 00:10:41,839 --> 00:10:45,594 "In the event that you became too sick to speak for yourself, 256 00:10:45,594 --> 00:10:48,527 who would you like to speak for you?" 257 00:10:48,527 --> 00:10:50,441 That's a really important question to ask people, 258 00:10:50,441 --> 00:10:52,464 because giving people the control over who that is 259 00:10:52,464 --> 00:10:55,772 produces an amazing outcome. 260 00:10:55,772 --> 00:10:56,918 The second thing you can say is, 261 00:10:56,918 --> 00:10:58,416 "Have you spoken to that person 262 00:10:58,416 --> 00:11:00,336 about the things that are important to you 263 00:11:00,336 --> 00:11:04,490 so that we've got a better idea of what it is we can do?" 264 00:11:04,490 --> 00:11:07,012 So that's the little idea. 265 00:11:07,012 --> 00:11:08,506 The big idea, I think, is more political. 266 00:11:08,506 --> 00:11:10,457 I think we have to get onto this. 267 00:11:10,457 --> 00:11:13,519 I suggested we should have Occupy Death. 268 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:16,304 (Laughter) 269 00:11:16,304 --> 00:11:18,874 My wife said, "Yeah, right, sit-ins in the mortuary. 270 00:11:18,874 --> 00:11:21,453 Yeah, yeah. Sure." (Laughter) 271 00:11:21,453 --> 00:11:23,318 So that one didn't really run, 272 00:11:23,318 --> 00:11:24,988 but I was very struck by this. 273 00:11:24,988 --> 00:11:26,701 Now, I'm an aging hippie. 274 00:11:26,701 --> 00:11:29,198 I don't know, I don't think I look like that anymore, but 275 00:11:29,198 --> 00:11:31,698 I had, two of my kids were born at home in the '80s 276 00:11:31,698 --> 00:11:35,166 when home birth was a big thing, and we baby boomers 277 00:11:35,166 --> 00:11:37,862 are used to taking charge of the situation, 278 00:11:37,862 --> 00:11:41,260 so if you just replace all these words of birth, 279 00:11:41,260 --> 00:11:44,341 I like "Peace, Love, Natural Death" as an option. 280 00:11:44,341 --> 00:11:45,857 I do think we have to get political 281 00:11:45,857 --> 00:11:48,455 and start to reclaim this process from 282 00:11:48,455 --> 00:11:50,422 the medicalized model in which it's going. 283 00:11:50,422 --> 00:11:52,462 Now, listen, that sounds like a pitch for euthanasia. 284 00:11:52,462 --> 00:11:54,654 I want to make it absolutely crystal clear to you all, 285 00:11:54,654 --> 00:11:57,318 I hate euthanasia. I think it's a sideshow. 286 00:11:57,318 --> 00:11:59,505 I don't think euthanasia matters. 287 00:11:59,505 --> 00:12:01,656 I actually think that, 288 00:12:01,656 --> 00:12:04,205 in places like Oregon, 289 00:12:04,205 --> 00:12:07,677 where you can have physician-assisted suicide, 290 00:12:07,677 --> 00:12:09,894 you take a poisonous dose of stuff, 291 00:12:09,894 --> 00:12:11,770 only half a percent of people ever do that. 292 00:12:11,770 --> 00:12:14,476 I'm more interested in what happens to the 99.5 percent 293 00:12:14,476 --> 00:12:16,232 of people who don't want to do that. 294 00:12:16,232 --> 00:12:18,566 I think most people don't want to be dead, 295 00:12:18,566 --> 00:12:20,663 but I do think most people want to have some control 296 00:12:20,663 --> 00:12:23,405 over how their dying process proceeds. 297 00:12:23,405 --> 00:12:24,545 So I'm an opponent of euthanasia, 298 00:12:24,545 --> 00:12:27,198 but I do think we have to give people back some control. 299 00:12:27,198 --> 00:12:30,671 It deprives euthanasia of its oxygen supply. 300 00:12:30,671 --> 00:12:32,023 I think we should be looking at stopping 301 00:12:32,023 --> 00:12:33,062 the want for euthanasia, 302 00:12:33,062 --> 00:12:37,757 not for making it illegal or legal or worrying about it at all. 303 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:41,333 This is a quote from Dame Cicely Saunders, 304 00:12:41,333 --> 00:12:42,702 whom I met when I was a medical student. 305 00:12:42,702 --> 00:12:45,581 She founded the hospice movement. 306 00:12:45,581 --> 00:12:47,772 And she said, "You matter because you are, 307 00:12:47,772 --> 00:12:50,294 and you matter to the last moment of your life." 308 00:12:50,294 --> 00:12:52,551 And I firmly believe that 309 00:12:52,551 --> 00:12:55,637 that's the message that we have to carry forward. 310 00:12:55,637 --> 00:12:58,656 Thank you. 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