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Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.68,0:00:12.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been a journalist for 32 years,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.74,0:00:17.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm going to tell you about the saddest story \Nthat I've ever heard.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.78,0:00:26.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Inside Camp 14, 13-year-old inmate \Nnamed Shin Dong-hyuk
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.68,0:00:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,betrayed his family.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.54,0:00:35.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was late at night, \Nhe was supposed to be asleep
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.43,0:00:38.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he heard his mother and brother
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.39,0:00:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about a plan \Nto escape from the camp.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.50,0:00:45.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The rules of Camp 14 are clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.80,0:00:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you try to escape, you'll be shot.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.62,0:00:53.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you hear someone talking about escape
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.75,0:00:57.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you fail to report it, you'll be shot.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.25,0:01:02.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shin got out of bed, \Ntold his mother he had to pee
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.39,0:01:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,walked outside and found a guard.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.56,0:01:11.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While he was snitching, \Nhe asked for more food
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.18,0:01:13.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and easier work.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.48,0:01:17.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,About seven months later --
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.94,0:01:21.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about seven months later,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.69,0:01:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was taken to the execution grounds in the camp.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.92,0:01:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A place that he'd gone to twice a year
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.21,0:01:29.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ever since he was five years old.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.99,0:01:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There, the entire camp was assembled.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.01,0:01:36.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were about 20,000 people \Nin Camp 14 at the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.09,0:01:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was taken to the front, \Nand he witnessed
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.15,0:01:43.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the shooting death of his brother, \Nand the hanging of his mother.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.08,0:01:48.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before his mother died, \Nshe tried to catch his eye.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.93,0:01:52.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He refused to look at her.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.78,0:01:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the next 10 years, \Nhe felt no guilt
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.36,0:01:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for his role in the death \Nof his brother and mother.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.29,0:02:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In concentration camps survivor stories,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.26,0:02:10.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a conventional narrative arc.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.30,0:02:15.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The protagonist is taken away\Nby security forces
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.01,0:02:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from a comfortable home \Nand a loving family.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.88,0:02:22.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The most famous of these stories, \NI'm sure most of you've read
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.59,0:02:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is by Elie Wiesel, it's called "Night."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.97,0:02:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the book, he writes that, \Nafter his entire family perished
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.27,0:02:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Nazi death camps, he was alone.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.50,0:02:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Terribly alone. In a world without man,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.08,0:02:42.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without God, without love, without mercy.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.35,0:02:46.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shin's story is even darker.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.43,0:02:50.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Words like love, mercy, family --
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.35,0:02:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for him had no meaning at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.16,0:02:59.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God did not disappear or die. \NShin had never heard of him.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.77,0:03:03.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In "Night," Wiesel writes
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.89,0:03:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that an adolescent's knowledge of evil \Nshould come from reading books.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.80,0:03:13.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Camp 14,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.34,0:03:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shin saw only one book, \Na Korean grammar
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.60,0:03:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the hands of his teacher. \NA man who wore a uniform,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.24,0:03:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had a gun on his hip, \Nand who beat one of Shin's classmates
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.58,0:03:28.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to death with a chalkboard pointer.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.85,0:03:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shin did not abandon
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.60,0:03:37.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,civilization and descend into hell.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.22,0:03:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uniquely among all\Nthe concentration camp survivors
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.52,0:03:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we know, he was born there. \NHe accepted its rules.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.54,0:03:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He regarded it as home.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.34,0:03:55.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a very real way, \NShin was a creation
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.71,0:04:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the guards in Camp 14. \NThey were quite literally his breeders.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.40,0:04:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They chose his parents, \Nwho were young adults in the camp
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.08,0:04:07.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they ordered them \Nto have sex.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.78,0:04:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was raised mostly by the guards. \NHe had a very bad relationship with his mother.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.40,0:04:16.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he was raised by the guards,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.49,0:04:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to snitch on his parents, \Nand to snitch on his friends.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.70,0:04:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a long playing behavioral experiment
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.60,0:04:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,run by the security apparatus of North Korea.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.36,0:04:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, it continues to this day. \NThe rules are very simple.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.74,0:04:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The more you snitched, \Nthe more you ate.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.91,0:04:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me ask you, \Nhow many of you knew
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.56,0:04:44.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before I started talking, that there are \Nconcentration camps in North Korea?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.32,0:04:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's good.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.32,0:04:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, there are about six of them. \NBetween four and six.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.49,0:04:55.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,135,000 to 200,000 people\Nare in them right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.13,0:04:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Half of them are the relatives
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.24,0:05:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of perceived political enemies of the state.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.80,0:05:03.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The relatives.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.22,0:05:07.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The way justice works in North Korea, \Nthere's collective punishment.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.13,0:05:11.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I were to say that the leaders \Nwere stupid and corrupt
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.90,0:05:15.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my kids and my parents \Nwould go with me to a camp
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.73,0:05:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Camp 14, and eating a diet of corn, \Ncabbage and salt, we would all be worked to death.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.36,0:05:26.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These camps have existed for half a century.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.14,0:05:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're clearly visible on Google Earth, \Nyou can see them on your Smartphone.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.84,0:05:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,North Korea continues to deny,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.82,0:05:37.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,officially deny that they exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.15,0:05:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,North Korea didn't invent these camps. \N
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.97,0:05:44.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were invented \Nin this form by Stalin.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.62,0:05:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, when Stalin died\Nin the former Soviet Union,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.64,0:05:52.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the camps died out too.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.86,0:05:59.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In North Korea however, the camps \Nhave survived the death of founding dictator,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.41,0:06:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they've survived the death of his son,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.12,0:06:07.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're thriving now\Nwith the third generation
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.86,0:06:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of totalitarian leadership, Kim Jong Un.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.26,0:06:16.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who's about 28, 29 years old. \NCoincidentally, he happens to be
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.23,0:06:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the same age as Shin.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.58,0:06:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you can see from this slide \Nthe camps have existed
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.20,0:06:28.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,twice as long as the camps\Nin the Soviet Union,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.22,0:06:32.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about 12 times as long as the camps \Nin Hitler's Germany.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.61,0:06:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the reason North Korea \Nseems to have lost none of its appetite
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.03,0:06:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for being cruel to its own people.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.72,0:06:46.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're just as cruel now \Nas they were 50 years ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.37,0:06:50.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The camps are operated \Nin almost exactly the same way.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.86,0:06:55.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shin's story is the case study in that cruelty.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.77,0:06:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's the only person,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.84,0:07:01.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the only person so far, \Nborn and raised in those camps
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.58,0:07:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get out and tell the story.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.02,0:07:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, his story is more than just a tale\Nof state-sponsored sadism.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.10,0:07:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is an escape adventure, \Nand it's a story about the resilience
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.93,0:07:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the human spirit.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.74,0:07:25.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The guards in Camp 14\Nspent 23 years trying to turn Shin
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.57,0:07:30.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a blinkard, malleable slave \Nand they failed.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.100,0:07:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They failed because he was very lucky \Nwhen he was 23.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.79,0:07:41.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A newcomer came to the camp, and this was \Nan individual who had been raised in Pyongyang.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.52,0:07:45.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A member of the elite.\NHe'd been educated in the former Soviet Union.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.27,0:07:49.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shin's job, was to teach Park, \Nthat was the guy's name,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.06,0:07:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to fix sewing machines \Nin the uniform factory.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.87,0:07:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shin was also supposed to snitch on Park, \Nto find out what he thought
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.30,0:08:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the leadership, \Nand then report to his superior.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.53,0:08:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the first time in his life,\Nthough, instead of snitching
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.28,0:08:09.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shin listened to what Park had to say.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.93,0:08:13.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Park told him --\Nbroke the news to him
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.32,0:08:17.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the world was round, \Nwhich was news to Shin.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.27,0:08:20.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He told him that the United States,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.35,0:08:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,South Korea and China existed.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.19,0:08:27.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, he also said, and this is \Nwhat got Shin's interest --
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.77,0:08:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "If you get out of here,\Nif you get out of this camp,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.34,0:08:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and went to China, \Nyou could eat grilled meat".
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.42,0:08:37.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what interested Shin. \N(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.94,0:08:41.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He started dreaming about grilled meat.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.35,0:08:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Within a few weeks he asked Shin --
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.87,0:08:48.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shin asked Park \Nto escape together.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.88,0:08:51.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Park agreed.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.84,0:08:55.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On January 2nd, 2005
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.39,0:08:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they went for the fence. \NThe electric fence.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.06,0:09:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The electrified fence \Nthat surrounds the camp.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.94,0:09:05.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shin was supposed to be the Mr Inside Guy\Nin this escape attempt.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.87,0:09:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was supposed to get to the fence first, \Nthen Park having more knowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.56,0:09:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the outside world, \Nwould lead them to China.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.33,0:09:20.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately, as they ran towards the fence, \Non a snowy cold evening up in the mountains,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.77,0:09:22.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shin slipped and fell on his face
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.78,0:09:25.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Park got to the fence first.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.70,0:09:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was electrocuted on the fence. \NShin did not hesitate, though.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.94,0:09:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He crawled over \NPark's smoldering body and ran off.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.22,0:09:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Mr. Outside Guy on that escape attempt
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.34,0:09:42.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfortunately was dead on the fence.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.65,0:09:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Shin still, through a combination of luck,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.80,0:09:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keeping his mouth shut, and being shrewd, \Nhe found his way out of North Corea in 30 days.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.21,0:09:57.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a year-and-a-half \Nhe'd found his way across China
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.74,0:10:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and found his way to South Korea.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.63,0:10:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two years later he was living \Nin Southern California.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.66,0:10:10.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Eating at In-and-Out Burger, which he still says \Nit's the best burger in the US.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.93,0:10:13.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.83,0:10:17.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he was working for LiNK, \N'Liberty in North Korea'
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.74,0:10:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a Human Rights volunteer.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.68,0:10:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, he's not been a very happy person \Noutside the camp.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.44,0:10:28.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's struggling to understand \Nwhat it means to be free.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.37,0:10:33.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He says that he's physically outside, \Nbut not psychologically outside barbed wire.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.39,0:10:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the things he told me is
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.80,0:10:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he's evolving from being an animal \Ninto trying to be a human being.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.91,0:10:43.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's going very, very slowly.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.56,0:10:47.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very slowly. He still has dreams
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.54,0:10:49.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about his mother's death.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.49,0:11:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's terrifying though is that Shin's story \Nis not an isolated tale of horror.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.03,0:11:05.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The two other big adjustment problems \Nthat are going on, or that will soon go on.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.28,0:11:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are 24,000 North Koreans \Nnow living in South Korea.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.32,0:11:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Almost all of them have come there \Nin the past 12 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.76,0:11:17.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Almost all of them have been examined \Nby government psychiatrists and psychologists
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.82,0:11:21.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in South Korea who say that, \Nvirtually all of them are clinically paranoid,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.57,0:11:26.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a useful adjustment for life in North Korea, \Na place that crawls with security agents
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.25,0:11:30.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they have a very difficult time \Nadapting to modern life.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.60,0:11:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have a hard time distinguishing \Nbetween criticism and betrayal.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.44,0:11:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, there are 24 million people in North Korea\Nwho, if that state ever collapses
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.04,0:11:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will have to go through \Nthe same adjustment problems.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.16,0:11:49.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And no one is thinking that North Korea \Nis on the verge of collapse,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.63,0:11:52.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but totalitarian systems don't last forever.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.82,0:11:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, someday, all of those people \Nwill have to go through a version
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.76,0:11:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what Shin has gone through.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.50,0:12:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, the reason Shin told me his awful story
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.69,0:12:08.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was because he wants you to know
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.07,0:12:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that these camps are still in operation.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.06,0:12:17.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're still breeding children. \NThey're still teaching them to betray their parents.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.07,0:12:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He doesn't believe that knowing about this \Nis going to overthrow North Korea.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.68,0:12:29.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, he went through the humiliation \Nof telling me his story
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.02,0:12:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he's traveling the world talking about it,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.28,0:12:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he believes that knowledge \Nis better than ignorance.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.68,0:12:40.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.05,0:12:42.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)