1 00:00:09,682 --> 00:00:12,741 I've been a journalist for 32 years, 2 00:00:12,741 --> 00:00:17,151 and I'm going to tell you about the saddest story that I've ever heard. 3 00:00:18,782 --> 00:00:26,137 Inside Camp 14, 13-year-old inmate named Shin Dong-hyuk 4 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,292 betrayed his family. 5 00:00:32,539 --> 00:00:35,334 It was late at night, he was supposed to be asleep 6 00:00:36,427 --> 00:00:38,389 but he heard his mother and brother 7 00:00:38,389 --> 00:00:41,202 talking about a plan to escape from the camp. 8 00:00:42,495 --> 00:00:45,257 The rules of Camp 14 are clear. 9 00:00:46,796 --> 00:00:49,538 If you try to escape, you'll be shot. 10 00:00:50,615 --> 00:00:53,746 If you hear someone talking about escape 11 00:00:53,746 --> 00:00:57,387 and you fail to report it, you'll be shot. 12 00:00:58,249 --> 00:01:02,388 Shin got out of bed, told his mother he had to pee 13 00:01:02,388 --> 00:01:06,561 walked outside and found a guard. 14 00:01:06,561 --> 00:01:11,179 While he was snitching, he asked for more food 15 00:01:11,179 --> 00:01:13,511 and easier work. 16 00:01:14,481 --> 00:01:17,860 About seven months later -- 17 00:01:19,937 --> 00:01:21,691 about seven months later, 18 00:01:21,691 --> 00:01:24,925 he was taken to the execution grounds in the camp. 19 00:01:24,925 --> 00:01:27,214 A place that he'd gone to twice a year 20 00:01:27,214 --> 00:01:29,990 ever since he was five years old. 21 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:32,006 There, the entire camp was assembled. 22 00:01:32,006 --> 00:01:36,087 There were about 20,000 people in Camp 14 at the time. 23 00:01:36,087 --> 00:01:39,152 He was taken to the front, and he witnessed 24 00:01:39,152 --> 00:01:43,967 the shooting death of his brother, and the hanging of his mother. 25 00:01:45,075 --> 00:01:48,346 Before his mother died, she tried to catch his eye. 26 00:01:49,931 --> 00:01:52,780 He refused to look at her. 27 00:01:52,780 --> 00:01:56,358 For the next 10 years, he felt no guilt 28 00:01:56,358 --> 00:01:59,940 for his role in the death of his brother and mother. 29 00:02:04,293 --> 00:02:07,258 In concentration camps survivor stories, 30 00:02:07,258 --> 00:02:10,304 there is a conventional narrative arc. 31 00:02:10,304 --> 00:02:15,012 The protagonist is taken away by security forces 32 00:02:15,012 --> 00:02:18,885 from a comfortable home and a loving family. 33 00:02:18,885 --> 00:02:22,587 The most famous of these stories, I'm sure most of you've read 34 00:02:22,587 --> 00:02:25,970 is by Elie Wiesel, it's called "Night." 35 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:30,268 In the book, he writes that, after his entire family perished 36 00:02:30,268 --> 00:02:33,500 in the Nazi death camps, he was alone. 37 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:37,079 Terribly alone. In a world without man, 38 00:02:37,079 --> 00:02:42,347 without God, without love, without mercy. 39 00:02:42,347 --> 00:02:46,433 Shin's story is even darker. 40 00:02:46,433 --> 00:02:50,348 Words like love, mercy, family -- 41 00:02:50,348 --> 00:02:53,156 for him had no meaning at all. 42 00:02:53,156 --> 00:02:59,572 God did not disappear or die. Shin had never heard of him. 43 00:03:00,772 --> 00:03:03,892 In "Night," Wiesel writes 44 00:03:03,892 --> 00:03:09,065 that an adolescent's knowledge of evil should come from reading books. 45 00:03:11,804 --> 00:03:13,342 In Camp 14, 46 00:03:13,342 --> 00:03:17,605 Shin saw only one book, a Korean grammar 47 00:03:17,605 --> 00:03:21,241 in the hands of his teacher. A man who wore a uniform, 48 00:03:21,241 --> 00:03:25,577 had a gun on his hip, and who beat one of Shin's classmates 49 00:03:25,577 --> 00:03:28,854 to death with a chalkboard pointer. 50 00:03:30,854 --> 00:03:33,603 Shin did not abandon 51 00:03:33,603 --> 00:03:37,223 civilization and descend into hell. 52 00:03:37,223 --> 00:03:40,519 Uniquely among all the concentration camp survivors 53 00:03:40,519 --> 00:03:44,539 we know, he was born there. He accepted its rules. 54 00:03:44,539 --> 00:03:47,423 He regarded it as home. 55 00:03:51,345 --> 00:03:55,709 In a very real way, Shin was a creation 56 00:03:55,709 --> 00:04:01,403 of the guards in Camp 14. They were quite literally his breeders. 57 00:04:01,403 --> 00:04:05,083 They chose his parents, who were young adults in the camp 58 00:04:05,083 --> 00:04:07,778 and they ordered them to have sex. 59 00:04:07,778 --> 00:04:13,398 He was raised mostly by the guards. He had a very bad relationship with his mother. 60 00:04:13,398 --> 00:04:16,491 But he was raised by the guards, 61 00:04:16,491 --> 00:04:20,696 to snitch on his parents, and to snitch on his friends. 62 00:04:20,696 --> 00:04:24,602 It was a long playing behavioral experiment 63 00:04:24,602 --> 00:04:28,364 run by the security apparatus of North Korea. 64 00:04:28,364 --> 00:04:32,739 And, it continues to this day. The rules are very simple. 65 00:04:32,739 --> 00:04:36,911 The more you snitched, the more you ate. 66 00:04:36,911 --> 00:04:39,559 Let me ask you, how many of you knew 67 00:04:39,559 --> 00:04:44,320 before I started talking, that there are concentration camps in North Korea? 68 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,317 That's good. 69 00:04:46,317 --> 00:04:50,488 Well, there are about six of them. Between four and six. 70 00:04:50,488 --> 00:04:55,134 135,000 to 200,000 people are in them right now. 71 00:04:55,134 --> 00:04:57,240 Half of them are the relatives 72 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,797 of perceived political enemies of the state. 73 00:05:01,797 --> 00:05:03,217 The relatives. 74 00:05:03,217 --> 00:05:07,126 The way justice works in North Korea, there's collective punishment. 75 00:05:07,126 --> 00:05:11,896 If I were to say that the leaders were stupid and corrupt 76 00:05:11,896 --> 00:05:15,731 my kids and my parents would go with me to a camp 77 00:05:15,731 --> 00:05:22,357 like Camp 14, and eating a diet of corn, cabbage and salt, we would all be worked to death. 78 00:05:22,357 --> 00:05:26,143 These camps have existed for half a century. 79 00:05:26,143 --> 00:05:30,836 They're clearly visible on Google Earth, you can see them on your Smartphone. 80 00:05:30,836 --> 00:05:33,821 North Korea continues to deny, 81 00:05:33,821 --> 00:05:37,149 officially deny that they exist. 82 00:05:37,149 --> 00:05:40,973 North Korea didn't invent these camps. 83 00:05:40,973 --> 00:05:44,621 They were invented in this form by Stalin. 84 00:05:44,621 --> 00:05:49,639 But, when Stalin died in the former Soviet Union, 85 00:05:49,639 --> 00:05:52,861 the camps died out too. 86 00:05:52,861 --> 00:05:59,409 In North Korea however, the camps have survived the death of founding dictator, 87 00:05:59,409 --> 00:06:04,101 they've survived the death of his son, 88 00:06:04,117 --> 00:06:07,856 and they're thriving now with the third generation 89 00:06:07,856 --> 00:06:12,261 of totalitarian leadership, Kim Jong Un. 90 00:06:12,261 --> 00:06:16,227 Who's about 28, 29 years old. Coincidentally, he happens to be 91 00:06:16,227 --> 00:06:20,585 about the same age as Shin. 92 00:06:20,585 --> 00:06:24,203 But you can see from this slide the camps have existed 93 00:06:24,203 --> 00:06:28,225 twice as long as the camps in the Soviet Union, 94 00:06:28,225 --> 00:06:32,609 about 12 times as long as the camps in Hitler's Germany. 95 00:06:32,609 --> 00:06:38,030 And the reason North Korea seems to have lost none of its appetite 96 00:06:38,030 --> 00:06:41,715 for being cruel to its own people. 97 00:06:41,715 --> 00:06:46,372 They're just as cruel now as they were 50 years ago. 98 00:06:46,372 --> 00:06:50,860 The camps are operated in almost exactly the same way. 99 00:06:50,860 --> 00:06:55,773 Shin's story is the case study in that cruelty. 100 00:06:55,773 --> 00:06:57,843 He's the only person, 101 00:06:57,843 --> 00:07:01,582 the only person so far, born and raised in those camps 102 00:07:01,582 --> 00:07:05,024 to get out and tell the story. 103 00:07:05,024 --> 00:07:12,105 But, his story is more than just a tale of state-sponsored sadism. 104 00:07:12,105 --> 00:07:16,930 It is an escape adventure, and it's a story about the resilience 105 00:07:16,930 --> 00:07:19,737 of the human spirit. 106 00:07:19,737 --> 00:07:25,570 The guards in Camp 14 spent 23 years trying to turn Shin 107 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:30,060 into a blinkard, malleable slave and they failed. 108 00:07:30,999 --> 00:07:34,792 They failed because he was very lucky when he was 23. 109 00:07:34,792 --> 00:07:41,522 A newcomer came to the camp, and this was an individual who had been raised in Pyongyang. 110 00:07:41,522 --> 00:07:45,267 A member of the elite. He'd been educated in the former Soviet Union. 111 00:07:45,267 --> 00:07:49,062 Shin's job, was to teach Park, that was the guy's name, 112 00:07:49,062 --> 00:07:52,871 how to fix sewing machines in the uniform factory. 113 00:07:52,871 --> 00:07:58,305 Shin was also supposed to snitch on Park, to find out what he thought 114 00:07:58,305 --> 00:08:02,532 about the leadership, and then report to his superior. 115 00:08:02,532 --> 00:08:06,280 For the first time in his life, though, instead of snitching 116 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,933 Shin listened to what Park had to say. 117 00:08:09,933 --> 00:08:13,317 Park told him -- broke the news to him 118 00:08:13,317 --> 00:08:17,267 that the world was round, which was news to Shin. 119 00:08:17,267 --> 00:08:20,351 He told him that the United States, 120 00:08:20,351 --> 00:08:23,084 South Korea and China existed. 121 00:08:24,192 --> 00:08:27,770 But, he also said, and this is what got Shin's interest -- 122 00:08:27,770 --> 00:08:30,342 He said, "If you get out of here, if you get out of this camp, 123 00:08:30,342 --> 00:08:34,422 and went to China, you could eat grilled meat". 124 00:08:34,422 --> 00:08:37,936 That's what interested Shin. (Laughter) 125 00:08:37,936 --> 00:08:41,350 He started dreaming about grilled meat. 126 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:43,866 Within a few weeks he asked Shin -- 127 00:08:43,866 --> 00:08:48,187 Shin asked Park to escape together. 128 00:08:49,878 --> 00:08:51,836 Park agreed. 129 00:08:51,836 --> 00:08:55,389 On January 2nd, 2005 130 00:08:55,389 --> 00:08:59,060 they went for the fence. The electric fence. 131 00:08:59,060 --> 00:09:02,011 The electrified fence that surrounds the camp. 132 00:09:02,935 --> 00:09:05,866 Shin was supposed to be the Mr Inside Guy in this escape attempt. 133 00:09:05,866 --> 00:09:10,562 He was supposed to get to the fence first, then Park having more knowledge 134 00:09:10,562 --> 00:09:14,326 of the outside world, would lead them to China. 135 00:09:14,326 --> 00:09:20,770 Unfortunately, as they ran towards the fence, on a snowy cold evening up in the mountains, 136 00:09:20,770 --> 00:09:22,778 Shin slipped and fell on his face 137 00:09:22,778 --> 00:09:25,174 and Park got to the fence first. 138 00:09:25,698 --> 00:09:30,937 He was electrocuted on the fence. Shin did not hesitate, though. 139 00:09:30,937 --> 00:09:35,587 He crawled over Park's smoldering body and ran off. 140 00:09:37,217 --> 00:09:40,344 The Mr. Outside Guy on that escape attempt 141 00:09:40,344 --> 00:09:42,654 unfortunately was dead on the fence. 142 00:09:42,654 --> 00:09:45,802 But Shin still, through a combination of luck, 143 00:09:45,802 --> 00:09:53,115 keeping his mouth shut, and being shrewd, he found his way out of North Corea in 30 days. 144 00:09:54,208 --> 00:09:57,735 In a year-and-a-half he'd found his way across China 145 00:09:57,735 --> 00:10:00,626 and found his way to South Korea. 146 00:10:00,626 --> 00:10:05,662 Two years later he was living in Southern California. 147 00:10:05,662 --> 00:10:10,926 Eating at In-and-Out Burger, which he still says it's the best burger in the US. 148 00:10:10,926 --> 00:10:13,828 (Laughter) 149 00:10:13,828 --> 00:10:17,735 And he was working for LiNK, 'Liberty in North Korea' 150 00:10:17,735 --> 00:10:20,685 as a Human Rights volunteer. 151 00:10:20,685 --> 00:10:24,439 But, he's not been a very happy person outside the camp. 152 00:10:24,439 --> 00:10:28,366 He's struggling to understand what it means to be free. 153 00:10:28,366 --> 00:10:33,469 He says that he's physically outside, but not psychologically outside barbed wire. 154 00:10:34,393 --> 00:10:36,798 One of the things he told me is 155 00:10:36,798 --> 00:10:40,914 that he's evolving from being an animal into trying to be a human being. 156 00:10:40,914 --> 00:10:43,775 But it's going very, very slowly. 157 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:47,538 Very slowly. He still has dreams 158 00:10:47,538 --> 00:10:49,814 about his mother's death. 159 00:10:52,490 --> 00:11:00,027 What's terrifying though is that Shin's story is not an isolated tale of horror. 160 00:11:00,027 --> 00:11:05,284 The two other big adjustment problems that are going on, or that will soon go on. 161 00:11:05,284 --> 00:11:09,323 There are 24,000 North Koreans now living in South Korea. 162 00:11:09,323 --> 00:11:12,758 Almost all of them have come there in the past 12 years. 163 00:11:12,758 --> 00:11:17,823 Almost all of them have been examined by government psychiatrists and psychologists 164 00:11:17,823 --> 00:11:21,573 in South Korea who say that, virtually all of them are clinically paranoid, 165 00:11:21,573 --> 00:11:26,246 a useful adjustment for life in North Korea, a place that crawls with security agents 166 00:11:26,246 --> 00:11:30,596 but they have a very difficult time adapting to modern life. 167 00:11:30,596 --> 00:11:35,435 They have a hard time distinguishing between criticism and betrayal. 168 00:11:35,435 --> 00:11:42,042 And, there are 24 million people in North Korea who, if that state ever collapses 169 00:11:42,042 --> 00:11:45,159 will have to go through the same adjustment problems. 170 00:11:45,159 --> 00:11:49,633 And no one is thinking that North Korea is on the verge of collapse, 171 00:11:49,633 --> 00:11:52,817 but totalitarian systems don't last forever. 172 00:11:52,817 --> 00:11:56,763 And, someday, all of those people will have to go through a version 173 00:11:56,763 --> 00:11:59,502 of what Shin has gone through. 174 00:11:59,502 --> 00:12:04,687 Now, the reason Shin told me his awful story 175 00:12:04,687 --> 00:12:08,072 was because he wants you to know 176 00:12:08,072 --> 00:12:12,058 that these camps are still in operation. 177 00:12:12,058 --> 00:12:17,411 They're still breeding children. They're still teaching them to betray their parents. 178 00:12:20,072 --> 00:12:25,679 He doesn't believe that knowing about this is going to overthrow North Korea. 179 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,016 But, he went through the humiliation of telling me his story 180 00:12:29,016 --> 00:12:31,284 and he's traveling the world talking about it, 181 00:12:31,284 --> 00:12:35,060 because he believes that knowledge is better than ignorance. 182 00:12:36,676 --> 00:12:40,047 Thank you very much. 183 00:12:40,047 --> 00:12:42,331 (Applause)