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Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text
Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.66,0:00:11.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Janine Antoni: Collaborating with Stephen\NPetronio]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.98,0:00:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Stephen Petronio Company]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.48,0:00:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PETRONIO] I worked very hard to develop
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.95,0:00:46.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a very succinct and idiosyncratic
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.38,0:00:49.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and highly-nuanced language--
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.13,0:00:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm in my mid-fifties--
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.56,0:00:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Stephen Petronio, Choreographer]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.52,0:00:53.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it took a long time to establish that.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.34,0:00:54.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now that I have,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.49,0:00:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm kind of like, "Now what?"
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.54,0:00:59.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The stereotype of dance is that
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.01,0:01:01.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we exist in this ethereal plane,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.90,0:01:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our work does disappear as we do it,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.92,0:01:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's the best part of it:
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.25,0:01:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the moment is precious because it goes away.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.11,0:01:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You just get a glimpse of a movement,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.22,0:01:12.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have to chase it
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.19,0:01:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or try to hold it in your memory, but...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.92,0:01:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,["Lick and Lather", Janine Antoni]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.40,0:01:17.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a sculpture, you can look at from all sides
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.66,0:01:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for as long as you want
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.88,0:01:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to stay in the room with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.47,0:01:23.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I got very jealous with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.30,0:01:25.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm absolutely obsessed and in love
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.14,0:01:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the visual world.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.25,0:01:29.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I knew of Janine's work
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.55,0:01:31.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before I knew Janine.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.72,0:01:32.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've worked with people like
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.51,0:01:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cindy Sherman
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.40,0:01:34.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Anish Kapoor--
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.48,0:01:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,["Loving Care", Janine Antoni]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.84,0:01:38.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,visual artists who I would share the space\Nwith,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.26,0:01:39.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they had their territory
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.69,0:01:40.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I had mine.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.61,0:01:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, with Janine I felt that,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.77,0:01:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because she was a performer as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.50,0:01:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that she would invade me in a way,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.70,0:01:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I very much wanted to be invaded.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.00,0:01:54.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ANTONI] I was asked by the choreographer,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.80,0:01:55.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stephen Petronio,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.72,0:01:57.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do the visuals for
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.11,0:01:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a piece he was working on called
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.00,0:02:01.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Like Lazarus Did".
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.35,0:02:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was interested in notions
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.50,0:02:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of transcendence and elevation.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.88,0:02:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,["Like Lazarus Did", The Joyce Theater, NYC]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.36,0:02:12.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I spent a lot of time watching him
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.42,0:02:14.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,choreograph the piece,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.03,0:02:16.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and spent time with the dancers.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.66,0:02:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One thing that is very evident in his work
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.70,0:02:22.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that it has this kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.39,0:02:25.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exuberance and complexity.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.14,0:02:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when I looked at the work,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.10,0:02:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, what I would like to do is
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.98,0:02:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to offer him stillness.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.88,0:02:33.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And rather than make a set for the dance,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.53,0:02:36.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would perform as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.60,0:02:40.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For two hours during the performance
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.23,0:02:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lay completely still.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.54,0:02:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PETRONIO] She was meditating, really,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.07,0:02:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on her body,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.32,0:02:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the audience was looking
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.92,0:02:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at our body.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.57,0:02:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She was absolutely still
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.26,0:02:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a meditation
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.24,0:02:54.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on her form
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.91,0:02:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and her own death
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.83,0:02:59.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against the chaotic look of the stage.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.62,0:03:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ANTONI] Stephen's cousin was having a baby,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.56,0:03:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she kept sending him sonograms.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.40,0:03:09.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he looked at these images
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.68,0:03:11.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and used them as
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.15,0:03:14.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,positions to choreograph one of his dancers,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.45,0:03:16.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nick Sciscione,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.01,0:03:17.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the last dance of
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.49,0:03:19.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Like Lazarus Did".
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.18,0:03:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When he was making that dance,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.58,0:03:23.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "Stephen, we should do it in honey,"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.53,0:03:27.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"because honey looks like amniotic fluid."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.79,0:03:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.79,0:03:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was impossible to do on a stage.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.61,0:03:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were very interested in making a video
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.07,0:03:40.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where one could not feel gravity.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.72,0:03:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,["Honey Baby"]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.58,0:03:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Having had a child,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.17,0:03:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's miraculous that a body
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.08,0:03:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can grow another body--
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.43,0:03:58.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that one body grows
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.88,0:04:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the nutrients of another body.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.74,0:04:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PETRONIO] So there is kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.87,0:04:05.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a womb-like viscus body
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.31,0:04:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moving through viscus liquid
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.50,0:04:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at a very slow
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.60,0:04:10.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and infinitesimal level.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.53,0:04:14.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just the smallest movement of the finger--
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.35,0:04:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the spread of the toes
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.82,0:04:17.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the arch of the head--
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.53,0:04:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,took me, you know...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.37,0:04:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a place that I would never go on stage.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.19,0:04:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a kind of intimacy
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.96,0:04:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I long for on stage,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.56,0:04:26.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I couldn't have on stage,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.94,0:04:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so "Honey Baby" led me to that,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.49,0:04:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the camera led me to that.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.32,0:04:34.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Janine didn't invite me
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.38,0:04:36.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make a dance for her sculpture;
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.61,0:04:37.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she invited me to collaborate with her
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.89,0:04:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a visual artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.92,0:04:40.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Janine and I were both
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.68,0:04:42.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pushing Nick around verbally
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.34,0:04:43.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that process.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.46,0:04:44.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So she was getting in my face
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.70,0:04:45.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,movement-wise,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.58,0:04:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was getting in her face
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.66,0:04:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sculpture-wise.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.68,0:04:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People find it very hard to understand that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.93,0:04:53.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we did this together,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.79,0:04:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they want to think of me
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.09,0:04:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the choreographer
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.88,0:04:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and her as the sculptor.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.78,0:04:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we really tried to erase that line.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.78,0:05:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We continue to try to erase that line,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.72,0:05:03.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're working together on future projects
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.19,0:05:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do that.