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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.95,0:00:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The story starts:\NI was at a friend's house,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.34,0:00:08.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she had on her shelf\Na copy of the DSM manual,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.40,0:00:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the manual of mental disorders.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.64,0:00:13.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It lists every known mental disorder.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.93,0:00:16.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it used to be, back in the '50s,\Na very slim pamphlet.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.99,0:00:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then it got bigger\Nand bigger and bigger,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.64,0:00:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now it's 886 pages long.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.75,0:00:27.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it lists currently\N374 mental disorders.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.45,0:00:28.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I was leafing through it,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.86,0:00:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wondering if I had any mental disorders,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.80,0:00:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it turns out I've got 12.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.48,0:00:34.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.66,0:00:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got generalized anxiety disorder,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.38,0:00:38.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a given.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.65,0:00:40.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got nightmare disorder,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.69,0:00:42.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is categorized
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.08,0:00:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you have recurrent dreams of being\Npursued or declared a failure,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.14,0:00:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all my dreams involve people\Nchasing me down the street
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.84,0:00:51.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going, "You're a failure!"
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.49,0:00:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.30,0:00:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got parent-child relational problems,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.42,0:00:58.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I blame my parents for.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.39,0:01:00.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.31,0:01:02.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm kidding. I'm not kidding.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.69,0:01:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm kidding.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.63,0:01:05.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I've got malingering.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.89,0:01:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think it's actually quite rare
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.65,0:01:10.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have both malingering\Nand generalized anxiety disorder,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.69,0:01:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because malingering tends\Nto make me feel very anxious.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.42,0:01:15.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, I was looking through this book,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.44,0:01:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wondering if I was much crazier\Nthan I thought I was,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.06,0:01:21.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or maybe it's not a good idea to diagnose\Nyourself with a mental disorder
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.62,0:01:23.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're not a trained professional,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.77,0:01:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or maybe the psychiatry profession\Nhas a kind of strange desire
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.66,0:01:33.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to label what's essentially normal\Nhuman behavior as a mental disorder.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.05,0:01:36.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't know which of these was true,\Nbut I thought it was kind of interesting,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.86,0:01:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I thought maybe I should\Nmeet a critic of psychiatry
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.74,0:01:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get their view,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.15,0:01:44.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is how I ended up having\Nlunch with the Scientologists.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.51,0:01:45.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.77,0:01:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a man called Brian,\Nwho runs a crack team of Scientologists
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.29,0:01:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are determined to destroy\Npsychiatry wherever it lies.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.58,0:01:56.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're called the CCHR.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.60,0:01:59.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said to him, "Can you prove to me
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.57,0:02:03.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that psychiatry is a pseudo-science\Nthat can't be trusted?"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.65,0:02:05.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "Yes,\Nwe can prove it to you."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.86,0:02:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "How?"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.30,0:02:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "We're going\Nto introduce you to Tony."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.09,0:02:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "Who's Tony?"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.97,0:02:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "Tony's in Broadmoor."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.31,0:02:18.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, Broadmoor is Broadmoor Hospital.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.64,0:02:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It used to be known as the Broadmoor\NAsylum for the Criminally Insane.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.30,0:02:25.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's where they send the serial killers,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.76,0:02:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the people who can't help themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.84,0:02:30.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said to Brian,\N"Well, what did Tony do?"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.02,0:02:33.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "Hardly anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.17,0:02:37.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He beat someone up or something,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.13,0:02:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he decided to fake madness\Nto get out of a prison sentence.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.25,0:02:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he faked it too well,\Nand now he's stuck in Broadmoor
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.79,0:02:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and nobody will believe he's sane.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.27,0:02:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you want us to try and get you\Ninto Broadmoor to meet Tony?"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.03,0:02:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said, "Yes, please."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.39,0:02:56.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I got the train to Broadmoor.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.93,0:03:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I began to yawn uncontrollably\Naround Kempton Park,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.05,0:03:03.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which apparently is what dogs\Nalso do when anxious,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.46,0:03:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they yawn uncontrollably.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.74,0:03:07.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we got to Broadmoor.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.46,0:03:11.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I got taken through gate\Nafter gate after gate after gate
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.94,0:03:15.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the wellness center, which is where\Nyou get to meet the patients.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.46,0:03:18.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It looks like a giant Hampton Inn.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.92,0:03:22.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's all peach and pine\Nand calming colors.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.85,0:03:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the only bold colors\Nare the reds of the panic buttons.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.07,0:03:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the patients started drifting in.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.15,0:03:35.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they were quite overweight\Nand wearing sweatpants,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.75,0:03:37.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and quite docile-looking.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.44,0:03:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Brian the Scientologist\Nwhispered to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.20,0:03:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"They're medicated,"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.13,0:03:45.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, to the Scientologists,\Nis like the worst evil in the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.38,0:03:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm thinking\Nit's probably a good idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.98,0:03:49.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.10,0:03:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then Brian said, "Here's Tony."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.16,0:03:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a man was walking in.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.16,0:03:58.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he wasn't overweight,\Nhe was in very good physical shape.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.29,0:04:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he wasn't wearing sweatpants,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.62,0:04:03.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was wearing a pinstripe suit.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.03,0:04:05.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he had his arm outstretched
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.05,0:04:07.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like someone out of The Apprentice.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.14,0:04:10.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He looked like a man\Nwho wanted to wear an outfit
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.44,0:04:14.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would convince me\Nthat he was very sane.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.00,0:04:16.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he sat down.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.18,0:04:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "So is it true\Nthat you faked your way in here?"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.50,0:04:22.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "Yep. Yep. Absolutely.\NI beat someone up when I was 17.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.97,0:04:25.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was in prison awaiting trial,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.08,0:04:26.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my cellmate said to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.42,0:04:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'You know what you have to do?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.92,0:04:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fake madness.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.91,0:04:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tell them you're mad, you'll get\Nsent to some cushy hospital.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.55,0:04:37.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nurses will bring you pizzas,\Nyou'll have your own PlayStation.'"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.40,0:04:39.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "Well, how did you do it?"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.12,0:04:41.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Well, I asked to see\Nthe prison psychiatrist.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.88,0:04:44.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'd just seen a film called 'Crash,'
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.20,0:04:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which people get sexual pleasure\Nfrom crashing cars into walls.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.32,0:04:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said to the psychiatrist,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.30,0:04:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'I get sexual pleasure\Nfrom crashing cars into walls.'"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.08,0:04:55.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "What else?"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.53,0:04:58.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Oh, yeah.\NI told the psychiatrist
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.21,0:05:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I wanted to watch women as they died,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.52,0:05:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it would make\Nme feel more normal."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.71,0:05:05.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "Where'd you get that from?"
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.45,0:05:08.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Oh, from a biography\Nof Ted Bundy that they had
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.26,0:05:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the prison library."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.49,0:05:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, he faked madness\Ntoo well, he said.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.74,0:05:16.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they didn't send him\Nto some cushy hospital.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.23,0:05:17.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They sent him to Broadmoor.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.54,0:05:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the minute he got there,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.90,0:05:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said he took one look at the place,\Nasked to see the psychiatrist,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.03,0:05:25.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said, "There's been\Na terrible misunderstanding.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.57,0:05:26.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not mentally ill."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.77,0:05:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "How long have you been here for?"
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.06,0:05:32.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Well, if I'd just\Ndone my time in prison
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.43,0:05:35.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the original crime,\NI'd have got five years.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.57,0:05:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been in Broadmoor for 12 years."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.91,0:05:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tony said that it's a lot harder\Nto convince people you're sane
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.96,0:05:47.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than it is to convince them you're crazy.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.47,0:05:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "I thought\Nthe best way to seem normal
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.72,0:05:52.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be to talk to people\Nnormally about normal things
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.36,0:05:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like football or what's on TV.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.26,0:05:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I subscribe to New Scientist,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.03,0:05:57.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and recently they had an article
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.72,0:06:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about how the U.S. Army was training\Nbumblebees to sniff out explosives.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.10,0:06:03.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said to a nurse,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.54,0:06:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Did you know that the U.S. Army\Nis training bumblebees
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.17,0:06:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to sniff out explosives?'
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.59,0:06:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I read my medical notes,\NI saw they'd written:
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.39,0:06:14.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Believes bees can sniff out explosives.'"
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.42,0:06:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.00,0:06:19.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "You know, they're always\Nlooking out for nonverbal clues
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.13,0:06:20.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to my mental state.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.90,0:06:23.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But how do you sit in a sane way?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.56,0:06:25.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you cross your legs in a sane way?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.85,0:06:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just impossible."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.68,0:06:28.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When Tony said that to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.96,0:06:32.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought to myself,\N"Am I sitting like a journalist?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.85,0:06:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I crossing my legs like a journalist?"
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.07,0:06:41.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "You know, I've got\Nthe Stockwell Strangler on one side of me,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.17,0:06:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've got the 'Tiptoe\NThrough the Tulips' rapist
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.58,0:06:44.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the other side of me.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.97,0:06:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I tend to stay in my room a lot\Nbecause I find them quite frightening.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.44,0:06:50.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they take that as a sign of madness.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.73,0:06:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They say it proves\Nthat I'm aloof and grandiose."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.69,0:06:58.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, only in Broadmoor would not wanting\Nto hang out with serial killers
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.51,0:07:00.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be a sign of madness.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.12,0:07:03.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, he seemed completely normal\Nto me, but what did I know?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.91,0:07:06.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when I got home I emailed\Nhis clinician, Anthony Maden.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.76,0:07:08.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "What's the story?"
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.36,0:07:11.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "Yep.\NWe accept that Tony faked madness
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.89,0:07:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get out of a prison sentence,\Nbecause his hallucinations --
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.68,0:07:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that had seemed\Nquite cliche to begin with --
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.86,0:07:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just vanished the minute\Nhe got to Broadmoor.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.50,0:07:22.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, we have assessed him,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.73,0:07:25.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we've determined that what he is
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.16,0:07:26.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a psychopath."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.98,0:07:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in fact, faking madness
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.82,0:07:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is exactly the kind of cunning\Nand manipulative act of a psychopath.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.20,0:07:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's on the checklist:\Ncunning, manipulative.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.15,0:07:37.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, faking your brain going wrong
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.75,0:07:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is evidence that your brain\Nhas gone wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.01,0:07:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I spoke to other experts,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.60,0:07:46.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they said the pinstripe\Nsuit -- classic psychopath --
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.57,0:07:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speaks to items one\Nand two on the checklist:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.87,0:07:52.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,glibness, superficial charm\Nand grandiose sense of self-worth.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.71,0:07:56.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "Well, but why didn't\Nhe hang out with the other patients?"
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.34,0:08:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Classic psychopath -- it speaks\Nto grandiosity and also lack of empathy.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.72,0:08:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all the things that had seemed\Nmost normal about Tony
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.21,0:08:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was evidence, according to his clinician,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.26,0:08:09.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he was mad in this new way.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.43,0:08:10.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was a psychopath.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.86,0:08:14.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And his clinician said to me, "If you\Nwant to know more about psychopaths,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.41,0:08:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can go on a psychopath-spotting course
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.64,0:08:20.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,run by Robert Hare, who invented\Nthe psychopath checklist."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.55,0:08:21.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I did.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.73,0:08:23.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went on a psychopath-spotting course,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.80,0:08:27.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am now a certified --
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.100,0:08:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have to say, extremely adept --\Npsychopath spotter.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.93,0:08:36.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, here's the statistics:
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.20,0:08:40.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One in a hundred regular people\Nis a psychopath.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.100,0:08:44.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's 1,500 people in his room.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.85,0:08:47.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fifteen of you are psychopaths.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.83,0:08:54.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although that figure rises to four percent\Nof CEOs and business leaders,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.84,0:08:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I think there's a very good chance
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.60,0:09:02.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's about 30 or 40\Npsychopaths in this room.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.73,0:09:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could be carnage\Nby the end of the night.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.19,0:09:09.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.67,0:09:14.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hare said the reason why\Nis because capitalism at its most ruthless
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.59,0:09:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rewards psychopathic behavior --
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.26,0:09:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the lack of empathy, the glibness,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.22,0:09:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cunning, manipulative.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.60,0:09:27.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, capitalism, perhaps\Nat its most remorseless,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.59,0:09:31.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a physical manifestation\Nof psychopathy.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.12,0:09:36.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like a form of psychopathy\Nthat's come down to affect us all.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.31,0:09:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hare said, "You know what?\NForget about some guy at Broadmoor
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.20,0:09:42.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who may or may not have faked madness.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.04,0:09:43.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who cares? That's not a big story.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.69,0:09:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The big story," he said,\N"is corporate psychopathy.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.60,0:09:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want to go and interview yourself\Nsome corporate psychopaths."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.96,0:09:54.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I gave it a try.\NI wrote to the Enron people.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.16,0:09:56.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "Could I come\Nand interview you in prison,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.53,0:09:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to find out it you're psychopaths?"
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.33,0:09:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.58,0:10:00.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they didn't reply.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.88,0:10:02.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.46,0:10:04.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I changed tack.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.38,0:10:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I emailed "Chainsaw Al" Dunlap,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.68,0:10:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the asset stripper from the 1990s.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.24,0:10:13.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He would come into failing businesses
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.47,0:10:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and close down 30 percent\Nof the workforce,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.53,0:10:18.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just turn American towns into ghost towns.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.70,0:10:20.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I emailed him and I said,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.17,0:10:22.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I believe you may have\Na very special brain anomaly
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.99,0:10:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that makes you ... special,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.03,0:10:29.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and interested in the predatory\Nspirit, and fearless.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.41,0:10:32.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can I come and interview you\Nabout your special brain anomaly?"
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.89,0:10:34.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "Come on over!"
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.73,0:10:36.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.12,0:10:39.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I went to Al Dunlap's\Ngrand Florida mansion.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.19,0:10:43.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was filled with sculptures\Nof predatory animals.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.26,0:10:47.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were lions and tigers --\Nhe was taking me through the garden --
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.92,0:10:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were falcons and eagles,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.64,0:10:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was saying, "Over there\Nyou've got sharks and --"
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.17,0:10:55.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was saying this\Nin a less effeminate way --
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.41,0:10:59.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You've got more sharks\Nand you've got tigers."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.11,0:11:02.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was like Narnia.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.83,0:11:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.33,0:11:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we went into his kitchen.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.77,0:11:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, Al Dunlap would be brought in\Nto save failing companies,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.95,0:11:15.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he'd close down 30 percent\Nof the workforce.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.40,0:11:18.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he'd quite often\Nfire people with a joke.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.60,0:11:20.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, for instance,\None famous story about him,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.97,0:11:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody came up to him and said,\N"I've just bought myself a new car."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.44,0:11:26.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "Well,\Nyou may have a new car,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.48,0:11:29.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'll tell you what you\Ndon't have -- a job."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.54,0:11:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in his kitchen --
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.72,0:11:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was in there with his wife, Judy,\Nand his bodyguard, Sean --
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.70,0:11:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I said, "You know\Nhow I said in my email
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.78,0:11:41.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you might have a special brain\Nanomaly that makes you special?"
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.44,0:11:44.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Yeah, it's an amazing\Ntheory, it's like Star Trek.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.37,0:11:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're going where\Nno man has gone before."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.61,0:11:49.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "Well --" (Clears throat)
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.73,0:11:51.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.09,0:11:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some psychologists might say
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.27,0:11:56.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this makes you --"\N(Mumbles)
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.98,0:11:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.63,0:12:00.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "What?"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.84,0:12:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "A psychopath."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.17,0:12:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "I've got a list\Nof psychopathic traits in my pocket.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.57,0:12:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can I go through them with you?"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.39,0:12:11.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he looked intrigued despite himself,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.51,0:12:12.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he said, "Okay, go on."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.91,0:12:16.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "Okay.\NGrandiose sense of self-worth."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.32,0:12:19.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which I have to say, would\Nhave been hard for him to deny,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.12,0:12:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he was standing\Nunder a giant oil painting of himself.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.52,0:12:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.70,0:12:29.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Well, you've\Ngot to believe in you!"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.76,0:12:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "Manipulative."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.67,0:12:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "That's leadership."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.38,0:12:35.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.41,0:12:37.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "Shallow affect,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.84,0:12:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an inability to experience\Na range of emotions."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.14,0:12:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Who wants to be weighed\Ndown by some nonsense emotions?"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.77,0:12:45.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he was going down\Nthe psychopath checklist,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.96,0:12:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically turning it\Ninto "Who Moved My Cheese?"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.19,0:12:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.30,0:12:55.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I did notice something happening\Nto me the day I was with Al Dunlap.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.75,0:12:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whenever he said anything to me\Nthat was kind of normal --
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.67,0:13:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like he said "no" to juvenile delinquency,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.63,0:13:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he said he got accepted into West Point,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.56,0:13:06.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they don't let\Ndelinquents in West Point.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.44,0:13:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said "no" to many short-term\Nmarital relationships.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.18,0:13:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's only ever been married twice.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.87,0:13:13.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Admittedly, his first wife\Ncited in her divorce papers
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.84,0:13:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he once threatened her with a knife
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.30,0:13:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and said he always wondered\Nwhat human flesh tasted like,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.04,0:13:21.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but people say stupid things to each other
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.11,0:13:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in bad marriages\Nin the heat of an argument,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.19,0:13:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and his second marriage\Nhas lasted 41 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.23,0:13:29.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So whenever he said anything to me\Nthat just seemed kind of non-psychopathic,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.96,0:13:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought to myself, well I'm not\Ngoing to put that in my book.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.61,0:13:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I realized that\Nbecoming a psychopath spotter
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.94,0:13:40.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had kind of turned me\Na little bit psychopathic.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.44,0:13:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I was desperate to shove him\Nin a box marked "Psychopath."
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.40,0:13:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was desperate to define him\Nby his maddest edges.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.14,0:13:51.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I realized, my God --
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.36,0:13:53.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is what I've been doing for 20 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.39,0:13:55.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's what all journalists do.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.04,0:13:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We travel across the world\Nwith our notepads in our hands,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.52,0:14:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we wait for the gems.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.98,0:14:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the gems are always\Nthe outermost aspects
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.34,0:14:06.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our interviewee's personality.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.99,0:14:10.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we stitch them together\Nlike medieval monks,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.49,0:14:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we leave the normal\Nstuff on the floor.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.93,0:14:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, this is a country\Nthat over-diagnoses
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.97,0:14:21.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certain mental disorders hugely.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.27,0:14:22.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Childhood bipolar --
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.64,0:14:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,children as young as four\Nare being labeled bipolar
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.22,0:14:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they have temper tantrums,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.67,0:14:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which scores them high\Non the bipolar checklist.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.27,0:14:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I got back to London, Tony phoned me.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.44,0:14:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Why haven't you\Nbeen returning my calls?"
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.23,0:14:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "Well, they say\Nthat you're a psychopath."
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.61,0:14:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "I'm not a psychopath."
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.58,0:14:46.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "You know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.77,0:14:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the items on the checklist\Nis lack of remorse,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.46,0:14:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but another item on the checklist\Nis cunning, manipulative.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.35,0:14:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when you say you feel\Nremorse for your crime,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.74,0:14:56.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they say, 'Typical of the psychopath
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.50,0:14:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to cunningly say he feels\Nremorse when he doesn't.'
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.90,0:15:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like witchcraft, they turn\Neverything upside-down."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.32,0:15:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "I've got a tribunal coming up.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.58,0:15:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will you come to it?"
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.74,0:15:09.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.52,0:15:12.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I went to his tribunal.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.94,0:15:16.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after 14 years\Nin Broadmoor, they let him go.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.84,0:15:20.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They decided that he shouldn't\Nbe held indefinitely
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.67,0:15:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he scores high\Non a checklist that might mean
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.38,0:15:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he would have a greater\Nthan average chance of recidivism.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.64,0:15:31.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they let him go.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.15,0:15:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And outside in the corridor he said to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.20,0:15:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You know what, Jon?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.84,0:15:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone's a bit psychopathic."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.62,0:15:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "You are, I am.\NWell, obviously I am."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.02,0:15:44.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "What are you going to do now?"
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.05,0:15:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "I'm going to go to Belgium.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.26,0:15:47.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a woman there that I fancy.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.96,0:15:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But she's married, so I'm going to have\Nto get her split up from her husband."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.94,0:15:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.08,0:15:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, that was two years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.13,0:16:00.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's where my book ended.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.73,0:16:05.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for the last 20 months,\Neverything was fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.00,0:16:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing bad happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.38,0:16:09.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was living with a girl outside London.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.55,0:16:11.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was, according\Nto Brian the Scientologist,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.67,0:16:14.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making up for lost time,\Nwhich I know sounds ominous,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.72,0:16:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but isn't necessarily ominous.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.96,0:16:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately, after 20 months,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.88,0:16:21.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he did go back to jail for a month.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.62,0:16:25.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He got into a "fracas"\Nin a bar, he called it.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.10,0:16:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ended up going to jail for a month,\Nwhich I know is bad,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.77,0:16:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at least a month implies\Nthat whatever the fracas was,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.68,0:16:34.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it wasn't too bad.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.07,0:16:36.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then he phoned me.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.80,0:16:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know what, I think\Nit's right that Tony is out.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.90,0:16:46.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you shouldn't define\Npeople by their maddest edges.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.08,0:16:49.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what Tony is,\Nis he's a semi-psychopath.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.33,0:16:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's a gray area in a world\Nthat doesn't like gray areas.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.80,0:16:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the gray areas\Nare where you find the complexity.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.79,0:17:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's where you find the humanity,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.24,0:17:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's where you find the truth.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.12,0:17:08.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Tony said to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.25,0:17:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Jon, could I buy you a drink in a bar?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.15,0:17:15.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just want to thank you\Nfor everything you've done for me."
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.47,0:17:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I didn't go.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.67,0:17:19.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What would you have done?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.50,0:17:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.88,0:17:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)