WEBVTT 00:00:04.089 --> 00:00:05.509 A Drug-Free World 00:00:05.509 --> 00:00:14.905 A Drug Free World: Reloaded 00:00:14.905 --> 00:00:16.985 The protests outside were great, 00:00:16.985 --> 00:00:19.337 because it focused attention on the real people. 00:00:19.337 --> 00:00:24.027 I don't think a lot of the delegates inside have thought about the people that are involved 00:00:24.027 --> 00:00:25.866 in the words that they're throwing around. 00:00:25.866 --> 00:00:29.967 And to see people with an alternative point of view, 00:00:29.967 --> 00:00:32.266 and to see messages that weren't the messages 00:00:32.266 --> 00:00:33.668 that they were hearing on the inside, 00:00:33.668 --> 00:01:02.076 is really positive and powerful. 00:01:02.076 --> 00:01:06.256 One of the most disappointing things at this event, 00:01:06.256 --> 00:01:07.839 or this conference, this meeting, 00:01:07.839 --> 00:01:11.849 is hearing the stupidity and the ignorance of some of these people 00:01:11.849 --> 00:01:15.626 that are speaking for the civilians in their countries. 00:01:15.626 --> 00:01:17.054 They don't know what they're talking about. 00:01:17.054 --> 00:01:21.061 The event that brings us here today, 00:01:21.061 --> 00:01:23.077 as well as next week, 00:01:23.077 --> 00:01:25.293 is of double historical significance 00:01:25.293 --> 00:01:29.273 to all of those involved in the fight against illicit drugs. 00:01:29.273 --> 00:01:30.464 In particular, 00:01:30.464 --> 00:01:32.801 the group is deeply concerned about the continuance 00:01:32.801 --> 00:01:35.605 and increase in the consumption of illicit drugs 00:01:35.605 --> 00:01:45.349 and the deviation for illicit uses of psychotropic substances 00:01:45.349 --> 00:01:47.354 In this historical gathering, 00:01:47.354 --> 00:01:51.605 let us all remember that if we do not respond, 00:01:51.605 --> 00:01:55.301 jointly and consistently to the drug problem, 00:01:55.301 --> 00:02:00.471 the drug problem will end up knocking at everybody's door. 00:02:00.471 --> 00:02:11.065 Thank you madame chair. 00:02:11.065 --> 00:02:13.808 Thank you madame for your statement, 00:02:13.808 --> 00:02:20.118 the next speaker on my list is... 00:02:20.118 --> 00:02:23.627 The diplomats are out of touch. 00:02:23.627 --> 00:02:26.988 They have no contact with people who use drugs, 00:02:26.988 --> 00:02:29.255 with people in recovery and their families. 00:02:29.255 --> 00:02:33.943 They are more interested in putting forth their country statement, 00:02:33.943 --> 00:02:37.772 which often has no bearing on reality. 00:02:37.772 --> 00:02:41.184 Where people are ill and need support. 00:02:41.184 --> 00:02:42.858 We are searching for government delegates 00:02:42.858 --> 00:02:45.361 to ask them what do they think about the meeting. 00:02:45.361 --> 00:02:47.094 Can I have a few questions with you? 00:02:47.094 --> 00:02:48.798 -- No, no, no, no 00:02:48.798 --> 00:02:50.751 Can I have a question, a few questions for you? 00:02:50.751 --> 00:02:53.691 -- Ah, no. I have no time, excuse me. 00:02:53.691 --> 00:02:55.771 -- I'm not sure that I have time. 00:02:55.771 --> 00:02:59.517 --Thank you, but the only one is Ambassador _ who is allowed to give any kind of digression. 00:02:59.517 --> 00:03:03.008 Thank you. 00:03:03.008 --> 00:03:06.261 Sir, excuse me, may I have a few questions to you? 00:03:06.261 --> 00:03:10.008 How do you consider the past ten years of the global drug control system? 00:03:10.008 --> 00:03:15.788 -- Ah well, I should say that it has some very good plus points. 00:03:15.788 --> 00:03:22.648 It may not be 100% human but at least 60% is human 00:03:22.648 --> 00:03:23.659 We are on a good track? 00:03:23.659 --> 00:03:24.638 --Definitely yes. 00:03:24.638 --> 00:03:26.983 We are on a good track. Well thank you very much 00:03:26.983 --> 00:03:30.647 --Thank you. Have a nice conference. 00:03:30.647 --> 00:03:36.594 --The fact that harm reduction is missing from this conference is very frustrating, 00:03:36.594 --> 00:03:41.065 because it is the main progress made these past three years. 00:03:41.065 --> 00:03:44.818 Do people know about this conference in Cyprus? 00:03:44.818 --> 00:03:46.986 --No, not especially 00:03:46.986 --> 00:03:48.569 Media writes about it? 00:03:48.569 --> 00:03:52.383 --We read about it, I'm from the anti-drugs council, 00:03:52.383 --> 00:03:55.529 but the general public doesn't know about it. 00:03:55.529 --> 00:03:57.007 Thank you. --Thank you. 00:03:57.007 --> 00:04:00.866 I think over time the change in the administration in the U.S. 00:04:00.866 --> 00:04:05.423 and the change in the direction is going to make a big difference for UN policies. 00:04:05.423 --> 00:04:10.021 I think, unfortunately, that the timing of this meeting was wrong. 00:04:10.021 --> 00:04:14.014 If it had been in a year, even six or eight months, 00:04:14.014 --> 00:04:16.426 it would have had a different result than what we have now. 00:04:16.426 --> 00:04:20.286 The U.S. delegation has been friendly to U.S. NGO's. 00:04:20.286 --> 00:04:23.556 This is quite a change from the past eight years. 00:04:23.556 --> 00:04:30.611 1998 UNGASS adopted a political declaration with the aim of eliminating or significantly reducing the demand and supply of illicit drugs within 10 years 00:04:30.611 --> 00:04:35.313 After 10 years, it is obvious that the UN has failed to achieve this goal. 00:04:35.313 --> 00:04:41.028 When the review of the UNGASS process, the 1998 UNGASS process, 00:04:41.028 --> 00:04:45.641 began to be discussed back in 2006, 2005-2006, 00:04:45.641 --> 00:04:49.243 the EU decided that it wanted a proper evaluation 00:04:49.243 --> 00:04:49.243 before we would accept a new declaration in 2008-2009. 00:04:49.243 --> 00:04:55.908 00:04:55.908 --> 00:04:59.968 Insofar as the evidence and the data suggests, 00:04:59.968 --> 00:05:06.063 things have changed but things haven't really improved very much since 1998. 00:05:06.063 --> 00:05:09.922 Is there any evidence that policy can make a difference? 00:05:09.922 --> 00:05:12.817 And here we concluded that 00:05:12.817 --> 00:05:19.193 there is very little that suggests that tougher enforcement can reduce drug use. 00:05:19.193 --> 00:05:22.205 And the way that’s supposed to happen is primarily that 00:05:22.205 --> 00:05:24.677 you make drugs more expensive and less available, 00:05:24.677 --> 00:05:28.025 and there's simply no evidence, indeed quite to the contrary, 00:05:28.025 --> 00:05:33.898 drug prices in the West have generally been declining and declining quite sharply. 00:05:33.898 --> 00:05:37.546 Prevention is a fine idea, 00:05:37.546 --> 00:05:40.802 and someday no doubt we will work out how to do it, 00:05:40.802 --> 00:05:42.068 but that’s some time off. 00:05:42.068 --> 00:05:46.569 It's clear that many programs that are being implemented in schools 00:05:46.569 --> 00:05:51.182 are fundamentally flawed and they're badly implemented. 00:05:51.182 --> 00:05:55.848 So prevention doesn't seem to play a major role in drugs at the moment. 00:05:55.848 --> 00:06:02.015 The one program area where there is evidence that it makes a difference is treatment. 00:06:02.015 --> 00:06:05.904 But it's important to notice what treatment does. 00:06:05.904 --> 00:06:09.733 Treatment can reduce the amount the drug users use, 00:06:09.733 --> 00:06:12.158 it doesn't cut down on the number of drug users. 00:06:12.158 --> 00:06:17.057 The only way to seriously affect the supply and demand for drugs 00:06:17.057 --> 00:06:20.043 is to raise the conditions that people are living in. 00:06:20.043 --> 00:06:25.045 To remove poverty, to empower people in society, 00:06:25.045 --> 00:06:27.803 to give people a purpose in their lives. 00:06:27.803 --> 00:06:32.521 Those are all things that will help people find a different relationship with drug taking. 00:06:32.521 --> 00:06:34.014 We also have to ask: 00:06:34.014 --> 00:06:38.084 is it really an objective to stop human beings taking mind altering substances? 00:06:38.084 --> 00:06:41.883 Just down the corridor, we have a special room set aside for delegates 00:06:41.883 --> 00:06:44.011 that allows them to smoke cigarettes, 00:06:44.011 --> 00:06:48.889 in a room that protects the rest of the conference from the harms associated with smoking. 00:06:48.889 --> 00:06:53.427 So already this conference is recognizing the need for harm reduction in its own behavior. 00:06:53.427 --> 00:06:54.949 What we need to work towards 00:06:54.949 --> 00:06:59.083 is helping them understand that we should all be applying those policies all around the world. 00:06:59.083 --> 00:07:01.453 So yeah, we need to move forward. 00:07:01.453 --> 00:07:04.362 1998, Did they learn the lesson? 00:07:04.362 --> 00:07:07.305 No. Not at all 00:07:07.305 --> 00:07:13.603 The 2009 UNGASS adopted a political declaration with the aim of eliminating or significantly reducing the demand and supply of illicit drugs within 10 years. 00:07:13.603 --> 00:07:19.204 The goals, the targets, the aspirations from the old political declaration have been repeated. 00:07:19.204 --> 00:07:22.897 There have been months of negotiation saying: 00:07:22.897 --> 00:07:26.688 we need to be more honest, we haven't met these targets, and in fact, 00:07:26.688 --> 00:07:32.204 we've ignored the fact that drug use and drug harm is increasing in developing countries. 00:07:32.204 --> 00:07:34.179 So you can't talk about containment, 00:07:34.179 --> 00:07:36.736 you can't say we've been successful, 00:07:36.736 --> 00:07:41.258 and so to repeat, those targets and those aspirations. 00:07:41.258 --> 00:07:43.173 Is foolish. 00:07:43.173 --> 00:07:47.016 Any government and any authority likes to claim success for its policies, 00:07:47.016 --> 00:07:49.527 and it is difficult, I know from my experience, 00:07:49.527 --> 00:07:52.323 to openly acknowledge failure, 00:07:52.323 --> 00:07:55.158 you're political enemies make capital out of it. 00:07:55.158 --> 00:07:58.128 But this was such clear situation that 00:07:58.128 --> 00:08:01.655 that the ten year objectives had not been met. 00:08:01.655 --> 00:08:05.579 Any statesmen like organization would be expected to acknowledge this clearly 00:08:05.579 --> 00:08:09.665 and review the range of strategies available to respond. 00:08:09.665 --> 00:08:14.021 What the CND did primarily was pretend there was some success, 00:08:14.021 --> 00:08:16.298 and there was none to report, 00:08:16.298 --> 00:08:19.596 and try to say that if we carry on doing the same things 00:08:19.596 --> 00:08:21.902 then further success is around the corner. 00:08:21.902 --> 00:08:25.242 This is not responsible policy making in my view. 00:08:25.242 --> 00:08:28.648 The formal declaration is like the emperor’s new clothes, 00:08:28.648 --> 00:08:30.261 It’s an illusion. 00:08:30.261 --> 00:08:33.097 We say "within ten years we will eradicate drug taking, 00:08:33.097 --> 00:08:37.514 we are really on the way to sorting out the drug problems." 00:08:37.514 --> 00:08:39.655 In reality the drug problems get worse, 00:08:39.655 --> 00:08:41.932 they effect more people, they do more harm. 00:08:41.932 --> 00:08:45.614 Maybe the vision should be more along the lines of peace. 00:08:45.614 --> 00:08:49.894 We've couched what we've done for drugs in terms as a war, 00:08:49.894 --> 00:08:52.833 a war against criminals, 00:08:52.833 --> 00:08:55.291 a war against plants, a war against people, 00:08:55.291 --> 00:08:59.218 a war against people who use drugs. 00:08:59.218 --> 00:09:20.654 Maybe we should think in terms of the peace vision. 00:09:20.654 --> 99:59:59.999 Transcribing: Anna Fischer, Subtitles: Hunter Holliman