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So it's just like, OK:
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let's just have a real talk, real talk:
no censorship.
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Welcome to the
Boiling Frogs Post Roundtable.
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In San Francisco, I'm Peter B. Collins.
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I host podcasts at PeterBCollins.com
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and the Processing Distortion
weekly podcast
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at BoilingFrogsPost.com.
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Joining us from deep in the heart of
Texas is Guillermo Jimenez.
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He operates Demanufacturing Consent
and TracesOfReality.com,
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and of course is a weekly contributor
here at Boiling Frogs Post.
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Guillermo, welcome.
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Thanks, Peter.
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James Corbett, as usual, joins us
from Japan,
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where he anchors CorbettReport.com,
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and of course the podcast series,
the video podcast series,
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at BoilingFrogsPost.com.
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And also with us, of course,
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is our publisher and the founder of
BoilingFrogsPost.com, Sibel Edmonds:
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the author of a powerful new novel
called The Lone Gladio
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that I certainly enjoyed,
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and I think there's a lot in there for
our viewers to check out.
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Sibel, good to have you with us.
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Hello, everyone.
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So, we are speaking a couple of days
before Halloween.
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And while we are not in costume,
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it seems like the theatrical fear of
Halloween started in August
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and will continue well beyond.
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And the sources of fear are the propaganda
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around the Islamic State,
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this threat to life on the planet as
we know it
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that has caused President Obama
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to launch airstrikes in Iraq and Syria.
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Also, domestically, the media
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-- the corporate media --
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is giving heavy coverage to the
Ebola issues,
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and it also becomes a source
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of palpable fear in the American public.
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I don't believe it's coincidental
that this is occurring
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just before the mid-term elections
in November,
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and I think that members of both
political parties
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are doing what they can to exploit
these fears
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in an effort to cynically pick up votes.
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Sibel, let's start with you.
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Because the framing of this monster,
the Islamic State,
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is driven not only by the effective
propaganda that they produce,
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but by the way it is played in the US
media
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and played off by American
political leaders,
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who have created this fear and dread
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that actors from the Islamic State,
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with American or Canadian passports,
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are any moment now about to descend
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here in the so-called homeland
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and launch terrorist attacks.
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There is no evidence of that;
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the government has offered us
conflicting numbers
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of their estimates of the number of people
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who might be prone to do that.
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But with the recent events in Canada
and Australia
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we see those governments embracing
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police state new laws in response
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to what are a series of lone wolf attacks.
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Oh, absolutely.
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I have been, lately, framing this
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within marketing paradigms,
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of marketing and marketing frame.
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Because you start, first,
with a brand, OK?
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And we had, for 12, 13 years, one brand:
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with propaganda, and all the mainstream
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-- which are the tentacles of the deep
state here, the war machine --
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al-Qaeda was created.
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And al-Qaeda brand...
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I know you have been paying attention,
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but our viewers:
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I mean, it kind of has been
losing its effect.
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In fact, in the past few years,
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even in some of the mainstream
media programs,
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we have seen people making fun of it
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and comedies are being made of al-Qaeda.
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So that kind of created panic within
the Deep State,
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saying, "That brand is not doing
very well."
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"Why don't we re-brand the
boogeymans that we created"
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"and come up with something else?"
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So, first they came up with a brand.
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And strategically, within this new brand,
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they inserted the term "Islam."
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And again: that was very well-calculated
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-- it was by design --
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and threw it in there: Islamic State.
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So... and then you can have other
various abbreviations.
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But one thing that remains constant,
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that is the Islamic State, OK?
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And then, within just a few months,
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they have been able to blow up
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this Islamic State, so-called
Islamic State,
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new boogeyman that they created.
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You know: financing it, training them.
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We have covered it through
Boiling Frogs Post and Corbett Report
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in terms of what happened in
Turkey three years ago.
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And these people were trained
against Assad's regime, et cetera;
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armed, directed.
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So, these are our guys,
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and then we re-branded them
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and made them called, "Islamic State,"
blah-blah. [laughs]
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And then, just in the past few months,
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I've been reading some headlines
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that are unbelievable, fantastical.
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In fact, just three days ago,
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I couldn't help myself,
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and I kept tweeting about it.
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The headlines said, "Based on
government calculation,"
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"currently this IS business, this cell,"
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"is the wealthiest terror organization,"
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"the wealthiest terror cell,
in the world."
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That's exactly like some start-up
business
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that you want to take public.[laughter].
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Have the stocks created for it.
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You put together;
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you come up with a logo,
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you have a brand name,
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and you kind of market the brand
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so people keep hearing it.
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And then you start making this business
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-- ooh! --
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so fantastical, you know?
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So that's what, usually, companies do
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before they go public. [laughs]
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So it's very Wall Street-like approach,
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this "IS business" that they have
created here.
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And it is a business:
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because if you look at the stock prices
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for the major war industry-related
corporations,
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you see how it has gone up,
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together with the creation of the
brand IS.
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And so, that is as far as the brand goes.
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But as far as framing goes, again,
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I will go back to the brand.
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The word "Islam" was inserted into it
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-- it was not coincidental, it was not
by accident --
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and it was for a purpose, and a desire
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to achieve certain types of an affect.
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And unfortunately, we are seeing
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those effects now around us.
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And that is, the entire Western world
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putting this within the context,
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within the frame, of Islam:
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"This is what Muslims do."
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You see a guy there
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with his shalwar that he's wearing there,
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and with that ferocious-looking shawl,
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and he has a big sword,
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and he's beheading...
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I mean, so scary: that's horrible!
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And I'm not putting that down.
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I'm not lowering the fact:
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it's a despicable act.
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But, what they are doing is
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they are taking these one, two, 10 or
15 incidents, casualties,
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and they are turning it, currently,
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to something that is bigger than, even,
what al-Qaeda was.
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We don't know: there may be millions
of these people,
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or there may be only 25 of them within
the cell,
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but they're the wealthiest terror cell in
the world.
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They can attack us here;
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they can attack France;
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they can attack the United Kingdom.
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Well, I don't know:
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they rockets,
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they have nuclear bombs,
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they have the briefcase bomb,
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they have a suitcase bomb,
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they have chlorine gas,
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and they have other kind of
chemical weapons.
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Can you imagine how unbelievably
fantastical this thing is,
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that in a few months you have this
entire thing
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being created and achieving this level?
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I mean, even Donald Trump would shake
his head. [laughter]
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You know, the guy is really famous,
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and he has done it so many times:
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going out there and making a business
out of nothing.
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Just based on hype.
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But as far as hype business is concerned,
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considered,
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this is the height of any hype
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that I have ever seen.
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And I'm hoping that today we will
discuss this
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within the context of Islam,
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and provide our viewers with some
other examples and context
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to... to make them aware,
psychologically, mentally,
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of what this propaganda is geared to do.
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Because unfortunately, as I mentioned,
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the Deep State, the establishment,
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they have been achieving the effects,
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the results, that they intended to achieve
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when they created this brand.
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So, Guillermo:
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is IS the Kardashian of terrorism?
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In a way, yeah. [laughs]
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I didn't mean to interrupt you.
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How do you view the launch here?
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They've launched a new product.
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If we go back to 2002, 2003,
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the Bush team said,
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"Well, you never launch a new product
in August: nobody's paying attention."
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So on September 10, Obama gives
this fear-riddled speech
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and declares that the Islamic State
is the most evil of all evil
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and must be vanquished by US airstrikes.
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And he may have been crossing his fingers
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when he said that he would not
insert American troops
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into Syria or, again, into Iraq.
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Right. We discussed this recently
on a BWO podcast:
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the fact that this is not a coincidence,
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that this tends to happen yearly,
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around this time of year:
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right after summer,
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right after everyone comes back
from summer break,
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back to work.
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And that's when this really takes off.
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And I think that the marketing metaphor
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that Sibel was using is right on.
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And just to extend that metaphor a bit,
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I think if we were to follow the money,
so to speak,
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and look at who benefits financially
from all of this,
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we can see the people who got in
on the ground floor, so to speak,
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of this "ISIS IPO" [laughs] that's
launched.
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And so, yeah:
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I think you're absolutely right.
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And I wanted to focus a little bit
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on one of the things you mentioned, Sibel:
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because I think one of the things
that really struck me
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and that I kind of wanted to
highlight today,
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something that you really stressed
recently in an interview...
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I think it was Sean Stone, on his show.
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And I don't recall the name: is it
*Buzzsaw?
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Yes.
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And it was a recent interview:
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but yeah. And so you were talking about
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-- and you really drove this point home,
and I really appreciated it --
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we were talking about how...
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exactly this:
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not only has...
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this has been a marketing tool,
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but it's being used to demonize
a group of people
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in such a way as we haven't seen
in quite some time.
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There are historical parallels for sure,
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and I think we can get into them today,
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but it's really...
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it's unlike something that I've ever seen,
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the magnitude
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-- and perhaps that has to do
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with the media age that we live in.
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So I can, I guess,
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kind of take that into account.
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But I did think that was a very
important point to stress:
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the way that the argumentizing Muslims,
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the argumentizing Islam,
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and really stirring up
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these really ugly, nationalistic emotions
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of patriotism and xenophobia
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and, in my opinion, racism,
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in many ways.
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And I've seen this not only directed
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at specifically Muslims,
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and specifically Islam,
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but it's also being used to redirect
attention
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-- at least in some circles --
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to the southern US border,
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which is where I sort of pay
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my most attention to these days.
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And what I've seen also is...
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and throughout the whole media,
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whether it's mainstream,
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and some sectors of the alt-media,
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they've been using the threat or terror,
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the threat of ISIS
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-- and again, this is nothing new:
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the same thing happened with al-Qaeda,
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but it's being renewed now with ISIS --
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to direct it at the southern border
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and say,
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"Look: these ISIS terrorists,"
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"they're gonna come over here,"
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"they're gonna sneak over the
Mexican border."
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"So we need to close it down:"
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"we need to send troops down
to the border."
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"We need to further militarize it."
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"We need to get more police state
gadgetry down there"
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"to ensure that this doesn't happen."
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And again, I think
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it's the same sort of emotions that
are invoked
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that you were describing in that interview
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and you mentioned here today:
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those same xenophobic, racist...
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the same sort of ideas here.
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And it's being used in sort of a
two-fold front:
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where... it's kind of a two-for-one
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sort of special that they're running here,
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where they can at the same time
demonize Islam,
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get that War on Terror going,
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and at the same also redirect attention
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to say, "Oh, by the way:"
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"we also need to further militarize
the southern border"
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"and the communities who live
in that area."
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So again, I've seen this throughout
the media,
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in various different outlets.
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So I wanted, I guess,
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just kind of throw in that angle,
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throw that into the mix
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and see what you all think about that.
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But no, I would agree so far
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with everything that we've said so far.
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James, give us the benefit of
your perspective
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from outside the United States.
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Because I would make the point
that in 2003,
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when Bush launched an obvious
fool's errand
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with the invasion of Iraq,
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there were some 10 million people
worldwide
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who took to the streets to express
their protests.
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And here, because Obama is the
man who pulled the trigger,
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and because of the effective marketing
and propaganda that we've seen,
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there is hardly a hint of protest,
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even from the hard-core peace
and justice groups
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that were growing,
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and growing in their influence,
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during the Bush era.
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Well, that's correct.
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And of course, we did see signs of that
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last year with the "Hands Off Syria"
campaign.
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But obviously, that's gone by the wayside
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because of this successful
marketing campaign.
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And I can give you the perspective,
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specifically, from here in Japan, where...
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which would be just about one
of the last places on Earth
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that you would think this kind of
marketing would be effective.
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And yet, we've had...
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just a few weeks ago,
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there was a plot busted of men,
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"Japanese Men Were Planning
to Fight for ISIS, Police Say,"
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is the headline that The New York Times
ran with.
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And this is about a bust of some...
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I guess a university student
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and some man who was trying
to radicalize him
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at a bookstore in Tokyo
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or something of that sort.
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A very...
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not a very threatening story,
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if you actually start to dig into it.
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But the terror brand is being sold
here, equally,
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as it is elsewhere in the West.
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Is it quite effective in that regard,
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because again, just about any place
in the world
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can be afflicted by this marketing
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if you just frame it in the right way:
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"Oh, you're in trouble too."
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"You'd better help in this worldwide
quest against Islamic terrorism."
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So I want to pick up on just two
of the points
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that Sibel raised in that
opening statement
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that I think are extremely important.
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The first one being just the observation
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of the incredible rise, the ascension,
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of this terror group that now,
as she says,
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has nuclear materials in their possession:
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$429 million dollars
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that they plundered from the
Mosul Central Bank,
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and on and on and on.
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Just all of the incredible facilities
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that they supposedly have,
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now, at their disposal.
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Which... you would have to say,
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this is the primary example
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of the dog that didn't bark:
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"Silver Blaze," it's Sherlock Holmes.
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You know, I mean:
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if we were to take the CIA
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and these types of groups seriously,
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the fact that they have not been able
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to foresee or prevent the rise
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of this spectacularly powerful
and effective terror group
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in the space of a few months
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alone shows that they are
absolutely unworthy
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of the titles and the money
that's given to them.
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Of course, we all know that that's because
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they're really working towards
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the creation of these terror groups.
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But anyway, that's just one thing
to note on this.
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The other part of this is the idea
that, specifically,
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it is Islam that is being brought
into this.
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And I would say that although
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there are identifiable elements
within Islam
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that, of course, can interpret
those teachings in violent ways,
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and do do so,
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that is, of course, not
00:16:55.412 --> 00:16:58.589
inherently intrinsic to Islam
in particular.
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And we can see that in pretty much
every major religion.
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We can see examples of that.
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And for the Christians in the crowd
who roll their eyes
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whenever the Westboro Baptist Church
is brought up
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as some sort of exemplar
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of what Christian morality is about,
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well, people will say,
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"Well, that's ridiculous,"
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"because 99.999 percent of Christians
think that those people are insane."
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Well, again:
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it's the exact same thing in Islam.
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But we don't say that any time that
a Christian commits a criminal act
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that it's some sort of Christian
terrorist,
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in the same way that, generally speaking,
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the media will never look
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at Jewish racism against Arabs in Israel
00:17:34.970 --> 00:17:39.003
and say, "Oh, those Jews! They're
always racist,"
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"and they're inciting terror in
Palestine."
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You'll never see coverage, for example,
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of the Buddhist monks that are now
00:17:47.301 --> 00:17:49.154
joining flash mobs against Muslims
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that leave dozens of Muslims dead:
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in Sri Lanka, in Burma.
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I mean, it happens.
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In every major religion,
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there are elements within there
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that will commit acts of violence,
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and it's never framed as in,
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"This is the religion causing people
to do this."
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It's always framed as...
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it's only framed in that sense
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when it's politically convenient to do so.
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So I think it is important to look
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at the way that Islamic terror has
been framed
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as "Islamic" in nature,
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and why that is.
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And I guess that's really the question:
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what is the purpose of this?
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And I think this has to, probably, do
00:18:23.019 --> 00:18:25.266
with Gladio B and the way that
we've been set up
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for the past couple of decades
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to be conditioned for this Islamic
terrorism
00:18:29.613 --> 00:18:33.508
that has been inculcated in
certain geo-strategic areas.
00:18:33.508 --> 00:18:36.622
But I'll leave that to Sibel and
everyone else to comment on.
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Well, James, and I would build
on your remarks,
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that we're seeing this very
selective outrage
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that's exercised particularly
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by the mainstream media in this country.
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And I'll just cite a couple of examples:
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that, on the last Sunday of October,
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The New York Times ran
a lengthy, front-page story
00:18:57.311 --> 00:19:01.533
which did advance much more detail
00:19:01.533 --> 00:19:04.110
about what happened to James Foley
00:19:04.110 --> 00:19:07.710
after he was captured and then
held prisoner.
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He was waterboarded and subjected
00:19:10.816 --> 00:19:12.378
to other forms of torture
00:19:12.378 --> 00:19:15.989
remarkably similar to the torture regimes
00:19:15.989 --> 00:19:19.087
that the US refers to euphemistically
00:19:19.087 --> 00:19:21.876
as "enhanced interrogation techniques."
00:19:21.876 --> 00:19:25.732
Furthermore, we have sent
00:19:25.732 --> 00:19:28.593
-- but not, so far that I'm aware of,
used --
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depleted uranium munitions
00:19:31.242 --> 00:19:34.131
in this new perpetual war.
00:19:34.131 --> 00:19:36.537
The damage from DU in Iraq
00:19:36.537 --> 00:19:38.686
is really just starting to surface
00:19:38.686 --> 00:19:42.605
in birth defects, and far more cancers
00:19:42.605 --> 00:19:45.191
that are showing up in the
general population.
00:19:45.191 --> 00:19:47.073
And we
00:19:47.073 --> 00:19:50.298
-- the US, John Kerry was thundering
last week
00:19:50.298 --> 00:19:54.143
that there are reports that the
Islamic State
00:19:54.143 --> 00:19:56.991
used chlorine gas in a weapon form
00:19:56.991 --> 00:20:00.266
in the battle for Kobani.
00:20:00.266 --> 00:20:03.072
And I regard depleted uranium
00:20:03.072 --> 00:20:06.308
as a chemical or biological weapon,
00:20:06.308 --> 00:20:10.987
that is certainly much more
toxic long-term
00:20:10.987 --> 00:20:16.144
than the chemical weapons that have
been blamed on the Islamic State.
00:20:16.144 --> 00:20:18.153
And likewise, John Kerry
00:20:18.153 --> 00:20:19.395
-- who thundered about this --
00:20:19.395 --> 00:20:22.054
didn't bother to remark
00:20:22.054 --> 00:20:25.221
that he had fully blamed the
Syrian government
00:20:25.221 --> 00:20:30.583
for the sarin attacks in Gouda
in August of 2013.
00:20:30.583 --> 00:20:33.174
And that now,
00:20:33.174 --> 00:20:35.035
it appears to be more consistent
00:20:35.035 --> 00:20:39.987
that it was the Sunni radicals
fighting in Syria
00:20:39.987 --> 00:20:44.384
who were more likely to have
introduced chemical weapons there.
00:20:44.384 --> 00:20:45.568
And so,
00:20:45.568 --> 00:20:50.657
this selective outrage over a
couple of beheadings,
00:20:50.657 --> 00:20:53.543
when Saudi Arabia has beheaded
00:20:53.543 --> 00:20:56.497
more than 59 people already this year,
00:20:56.497 --> 00:21:00.061
and not a peep from the US
government about that.
00:21:00.061 --> 00:21:05.170
It just shows that the outrage
is focused on,
00:21:05.170 --> 00:21:06.655
as you pointed out,
00:21:06.655 --> 00:21:09.114
Islamic individuals
00:21:09.114 --> 00:21:12.291
and groups that are now demonized
00:21:12.291 --> 00:21:16.031
as the worst of the worst on the planet.
00:21:16.031 --> 00:21:19.108
And I guess, once again,
00:21:19.108 --> 00:21:22.937
we have to say that we don't
favor decapitation
00:21:22.937 --> 00:21:26.560
or the massacre of innocent people
00:21:26.560 --> 00:21:29.424
because they happen to be
of a different religion,
00:21:29.424 --> 00:21:31.394
but that is not the basis
00:21:31.394 --> 00:21:36.162
for this poorly-thought strategy
00:21:36.162 --> 00:21:37.349
-- if there is one --
00:21:37.349 --> 00:21:42.868
and the phony coalition of partners
with the United States
00:21:42.868 --> 00:21:45.198
who all have different agendas,
00:21:45.198 --> 00:21:48.813
and only pay lip-service to our
stated mission
00:21:48.813 --> 00:21:53.275
to degrade or wipe out the Islamic State.
00:21:53.275 --> 00:21:56.251
So these inconsistencies really amount
00:21:56.251 --> 00:21:58.129
to a great deal of incoherence,
00:21:58.129 --> 00:22:01.508
but most people in the United States
00:22:01.508 --> 00:22:03.153
are just falling in line,
00:22:03.153 --> 00:22:04.967
not asking any questions,
00:22:04.967 --> 00:22:06.792
not showing any skepticism,
00:22:06.792 --> 00:22:11.297
and just embracing the memes
00:22:11.297 --> 00:22:14.354
that have been launched by
the administration
00:22:14.354 --> 00:22:18.836
and embraced and endorsed
by the media. Sibel?
00:22:18.836 --> 00:22:20.344
No, absolutely.
00:22:20.344 --> 00:22:22.054
Well said, Peter.
00:22:22.054 --> 00:22:28.582
This is a prelude to a much bigger war
that is intended, OK?
00:22:28.582 --> 00:22:31.880
And it is garnering the public support
00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:38.392
before we do launch multi-fronted
wars in the area.
00:22:38.392 --> 00:22:41.068
We still know that Iran is the prize there
00:22:41.068 --> 00:22:42.419
-- it's there.
00:22:42.419 --> 00:22:47.534
We ended up having the issues
with Russians,
00:22:47.534 --> 00:22:51.284
and things had to be placed on hold
with Syria.
00:22:51.284 --> 00:22:53.606
About a year-and-a-half, two years ago
00:22:53.606 --> 00:22:55.809
we had a session with James,
00:22:55.809 --> 00:22:57.388
and I was talking about:
00:22:57.388 --> 00:23:00.491
"This is a temporary cool-off period,"
00:23:00.491 --> 00:23:03.816
"and the issue is going to start again
with Syria."
00:23:03.816 --> 00:23:05.368
"It's not going anywhere."
00:23:05.368 --> 00:23:06.796
Because at the time,
00:23:06.796 --> 00:23:07.853
people were celebrating, saying:
00:23:07.853 --> 00:23:09.834
"OK, this issue with Putin"
00:23:09.834 --> 00:23:11.500
"and Russia putting its foot down,"
00:23:11.500 --> 00:23:12.958
"put an end to this"
00:23:12.958 --> 00:23:14.901
"going there and invading Syria."
00:23:14.901 --> 00:23:16.398
I said, "No, no: that's just temporary."
00:23:16.398 --> 00:23:18.523
We've put that on hold temporarily,
00:23:18.523 --> 00:23:24.401
then the focus was placed on Ukraine
and what we saw happening there,
00:23:24.401 --> 00:23:27.106
and now the focus is coming back
to the region
00:23:27.106 --> 00:23:29.204
-- and Syria and Iraq being two,
00:23:29.204 --> 00:23:31.675
but we have other nations in the area,
00:23:31.675 --> 00:23:33.017
especially Iran.
00:23:33.017 --> 00:23:34.393
And this is the prelude;
00:23:34.393 --> 00:23:35.839
this is the war hawk period.
00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:39.522
This is when the nations,
the United States,
00:23:39.522 --> 00:23:41.608
need the public support:
00:23:41.608 --> 00:23:43.482
at home here in the United States,
00:23:43.482 --> 00:23:45.059
but throughout the Western Europe.
00:23:45.059 --> 00:23:47.069
People in the United Kingdom,
00:23:47.069 --> 00:23:49.631
basically, NATO nations.
00:23:49.631 --> 00:23:53.439
Because the people there,
their opinion matters
00:23:53.439 --> 00:23:55.267
for these multi-fronted wars
00:23:55.267 --> 00:23:56.871
that we have been preparing for
00:23:56.871 --> 00:24:00.457
against exactly the same countries
and nations
00:24:00.457 --> 00:24:03.361
that have been the prize that
we have been chasing.
00:24:03.361 --> 00:24:06.703
So these are all prelude and warm-up.
00:24:06.703 --> 00:24:10.804
And I mean, as far as the branding goes
00:24:10.804 --> 00:24:14.008
and what they are doing by putting
the word "Islam" there
00:24:14.008 --> 00:24:16.540
and creating a tension
00:24:16.540 --> 00:24:18.686
-- and again, this is an intended
tension --
00:24:18.686 --> 00:24:23.395
between the Western world and
the Muslim community
00:24:23.395 --> 00:24:25.331
-- and that means those nations --
00:24:25.331 --> 00:24:26.501
you know, just amazing.
00:24:26.501 --> 00:24:30.715
And for some people who really
don't understand it,
00:24:30.715 --> 00:24:34.484
we need to provide a certain level
of context
00:24:34.484 --> 00:24:35.944
and give them a framework.
00:24:35.944 --> 00:24:40.421
Because let's look at the recent Gaza
conflict that we had, OK?
00:24:40.421 --> 00:24:42.482
These were major assaults by Israel.
00:24:42.482 --> 00:24:47.707
To a degree, that an Israel-supporting
human rights organization
00:24:47.707 --> 00:24:51.190
came out and said, "We are looking at
war crimes," all right?
00:24:51.190 --> 00:24:54.030
I mean, that's pretty... kind of...
00:24:54.030 --> 00:24:58.048
that is unexpected from an organization
like Human Rights [Watch],
00:24:58.048 --> 00:24:59.666
because even they couldn't deny it.
00:24:59.666 --> 00:25:03.365
Because we know how it has been for
the past five decades:
00:25:03.365 --> 00:25:06.071
whatever Israel does is fine, OK?
00:25:06.071 --> 00:25:12.019
And everything is placed with a stamp
of approval.
00:25:12.019 --> 00:25:13.345
But in this case,
00:25:13.345 --> 00:25:15.728
with all the atrocities that they
committed, Israel,
00:25:15.728 --> 00:25:17.412
and all the assaults,
00:25:17.412 --> 00:25:18.732
even the organizations
00:25:18.732 --> 00:25:20.189
-- US organizations --
00:25:20.189 --> 00:25:21.193
had to some and say,
00:25:21.193 --> 00:25:22.529
"Well, these are war crimes."
00:25:22.529 --> 00:25:27.018
Imagine if... I mean, daily we were
seeing reports, right?
00:25:27.018 --> 00:25:33.098
The Israeli soldiers bombing, and
20 kids dying here,
00:25:33.098 --> 00:25:37.297
an entire family dying there, blowing
up into pieces.
00:25:37.297 --> 00:25:40.986
Imagine if our mainstream media
00:25:40.986 --> 00:25:44.309
-- and, Peter, the so-called alternative
media, too:
00:25:44.309 --> 00:25:47.349
I haven't seen any difference, especially
with these reportings --
00:25:47.349 --> 00:25:53.286
but imagine if they put on CNN and
Fox News and NBC and Salon,
00:25:53.286 --> 00:25:54.232
and all of them:
00:25:54.232 --> 00:26:00.908
"Today, the Jewish soldiers blew up
11 children," OK?
00:26:00.908 --> 00:26:02.871
"And they wipe out an entire family."
00:26:02.871 --> 00:26:06.124
Once, just once:
00:26:06.124 --> 00:26:08.006
because if they were to do that,
00:26:08.006 --> 00:26:12.436
there would be such outrage here
from the Israel lobby.
00:26:12.436 --> 00:26:15.584
There would be these flags being waved:
00:26:15.584 --> 00:26:18.026
you know, antisemitism, OK?
00:26:18.026 --> 00:26:21.943
This is absolutely unacceptable.
00:26:21.943 --> 00:26:24.123
You would see The New York Times
editor being fired.
00:26:24.123 --> 00:26:27.323
You would see the CBS reporters,
anchorperson being fired,
00:26:27.323 --> 00:26:30.557
for pairing up the religion, "Jewish,"
00:26:30.557 --> 00:26:33.691
with the soldiers who actually
committed those acts.
00:26:33.691 --> 00:26:35.539
Now, those soldiers: were they Jewish?
00:26:35.539 --> 00:26:36.463
Yes.
00:26:36.463 --> 00:26:39.326
And I'm not saying two wrongs make
it right:
00:26:39.326 --> 00:26:42.546
I'm saying, imagine if that were the case.
00:26:42.546 --> 00:26:44.802
When, during the Gaza conflict,
00:26:44.802 --> 00:26:50.719
for four months, every time they paired
up Israel's assaults and their war crimes
00:26:50.719 --> 00:26:53.002
-- and I'm saying it because even
Human Rights [Watch],
00:26:53.002 --> 00:26:57.701
they are saying it was to the level
of war crimes, OK? --
00:26:57.701 --> 00:27:00.822
they reported as committed by Jews.
00:27:00.822 --> 00:27:03.332
Imagine that, OK?
00:27:03.332 --> 00:27:04.383
It would have been wrong,
00:27:04.383 --> 00:27:06.241
and they would have just objected to it.
00:27:06.241 --> 00:27:08.598
But, if you look at it factually
00:27:08.598 --> 00:27:10.947
-- because people say,
"Hey, look: it is true."
00:27:10.947 --> 00:27:12.051
"These people are Muslims,"
00:27:12.051 --> 00:27:12.999
"and they are beheading,"
00:27:12.999 --> 00:27:13.954
"and they are doing that."
00:27:13.954 --> 00:27:15.865
Well, these soldiers committing
these war crimes
00:27:15.865 --> 00:27:17.967
were, and are, Jewish.
00:27:17.967 --> 00:27:20.555
What does it have to do with anything OK?
00:27:20.555 --> 00:27:24.010
And as you mentioned, if we start...
00:27:24.010 --> 00:27:25.515
Peter, you just mentioned about,
00:27:25.515 --> 00:27:27.825
as nations, let's look at it:
00:27:27.825 --> 00:27:30.585
in the past century, which country
00:27:30.585 --> 00:27:35.312
has used chemical weapons and
nuclear weapons in wars, OK?
00:27:35.312 --> 00:27:38.201
Are we number one there, or aren't we?
00:27:38.201 --> 00:27:39.767
I mean, anybody is going to object here?
00:27:39.767 --> 00:27:44.274
We have had Hiroshima, OK?
00:27:44.274 --> 00:27:45.839
We have had Nagasaki,
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.213
and we have had Agent Orange
00:27:48.213 --> 00:27:50.736
in Vietnam and in Cambodia, OK?
00:27:50.736 --> 00:27:52.858
We have had the First Gulf War.
00:27:52.858 --> 00:27:53.914
You just mentioned
00:27:53.914 --> 00:27:56.189
-- and that's a very, very important
point, Peter --
00:27:56.189 --> 00:27:57.509
in Iraq, again.
00:27:57.509 --> 00:28:00.308
We are the number one nation
00:28:00.308 --> 00:28:02.337
-- I would say, the only nation --
00:28:02.337 --> 00:28:05.626
that has been using weapons of mass
destruction
00:28:05.626 --> 00:28:07.448
-- chemical, nuclears, OK? --
00:28:07.448 --> 00:28:10.519
for the past half a century.
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:13.853
Nobody else has our record, OK?
00:28:13.853 --> 00:28:16.690
Now, to say that every time,
00:28:16.690 --> 00:28:18.110
if we have these reports,
00:28:18.110 --> 00:28:19.733
we just insert this,
00:28:19.733 --> 00:28:23.429
saying, "The Christian soldiers of the
United States of America,"
00:28:23.429 --> 00:28:28.318
"they killed one-and-a-half million people
in Vietnam."
00:28:28.318 --> 00:28:31.654
Or, "Today, the United States
Christian military,"
00:28:31.654 --> 00:28:36.767
"with their drones, they wiped out
an entire tribe or family there,"
00:28:36.767 --> 00:28:39.478
"including grandchildren and babies,
et cetera."
00:28:39.478 --> 00:28:42.585
Can you imagine a reportage like that?
00:28:42.585 --> 00:28:44.390
Well, people have to consider this.
00:28:44.390 --> 00:28:47.545
They should also look into the other
side and say,
00:28:47.545 --> 00:28:49.407
"How do you think it's perceived there?"
00:28:49.407 --> 00:28:52.798
Yes, we have a one man with one sword,
00:28:52.798 --> 00:28:55.020
or five men with five swords,
00:28:55.020 --> 00:28:57.713
or 50 men with 50 swords, OK?
00:28:57.713 --> 00:29:00.775
Think about the damage they can inflict,
00:29:00.775 --> 00:29:05.546
versus a guy listening to acid
music in Utah,
00:29:05.546 --> 00:29:08.490
air-conditioned room, chewing gum,
00:29:08.490 --> 00:29:12.544
pressing the button there, sending
the bombs with the drones,
00:29:12.544 --> 00:29:15.705
[xx] killing thousands of people
00:29:15.705 --> 00:29:17.679
over three, four days' period.
00:29:17.679 --> 00:29:20.882
Now, if you want to compare atrocity acts:
00:29:20.882 --> 00:29:23.737
why is it that, for some reason,
00:29:23.737 --> 00:29:26.076
people in the Western nations,
00:29:26.076 --> 00:29:27.606
especially here in the United States,
00:29:27.606 --> 00:29:30.427
they have a problem getting a grasp
00:29:30.427 --> 00:29:34.240
of the atrocities committed in the
most atrocious way
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:37.297
-- this way, I would call it the
robotic wars --
00:29:37.297 --> 00:29:40.264
yet they can have two, or three,
or five, or ten
00:29:40.264 --> 00:29:42.538
awful, despicable beheadings
00:29:42.538 --> 00:29:45.254
as the most scary thing can ever happen?
00:29:45.254 --> 00:29:48.762
I mean, these are all the different
things, by design,
00:29:48.762 --> 00:29:50.716
put in place by the Deep State
00:29:50.716 --> 00:29:53.446
that is having, again, that intended
result.
00:29:53.446 --> 00:29:55.534
And one last comment I have here
00:29:55.534 --> 00:29:58.195
that I would like for you, all of you,
to talk about,
00:29:58.195 --> 00:30:00.799
is: they are bringing back
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.104
one of those phrases that I loathe,
00:30:03.104 --> 00:30:05.251
and that is "blowback."
00:30:05.251 --> 00:30:08.593
They're not getting tired of this.
00:30:08.593 --> 00:30:10.697
And especially the alternative media:
00:30:10.697 --> 00:30:14.328
especially the so-called,
pseudo-"alternative" media.
00:30:14.328 --> 00:30:17.630
They did that with the mujahideen
in Afghanistan:
00:30:17.630 --> 00:30:19.816
that was a "blowback;"
00:30:19.816 --> 00:30:21.066
it created the al-Qaeda,
00:30:21.066 --> 00:30:22.045
and it came to...
00:30:22.045 --> 00:30:23.345
haunted us, with 9-1-1.
00:30:23.345 --> 00:30:25.477
Now they're saying, "Yeah, sure:"
00:30:25.477 --> 00:30:28.627
"we did put together the liberation army,"
00:30:28.627 --> 00:30:30.296
"and armed them, and trained them"
00:30:30.296 --> 00:30:31.797
"-- we are the one that put
this in place --"
00:30:31.797 --> 00:30:36.265
"and then it came back and... 'blowback!'"
00:30:36.265 --> 00:30:37.554
I mean, blowback:
00:30:37.554 --> 00:30:40.539
you can only define
00:30:40.539 --> 00:30:43.223
what's happening today as a blowback
00:30:43.223 --> 00:30:47.542
if you are facing unintended
consequences, OK?
00:30:47.542 --> 00:30:50.587
In this case, the United States
00:30:50.587 --> 00:30:51.668
- the Deep States --
00:30:51.668 --> 00:30:55.316
are getting the intended consequences.
00:30:55.316 --> 00:30:57.866
Therefore, this can in no way
00:30:57.866 --> 00:31:00.279
be categorized as blowback.
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:02.908
Because this is by design,
00:31:02.908 --> 00:31:04.038
and what we are seeing
00:31:04.038 --> 00:31:06.613
is what was intended in the first place:
00:31:06.613 --> 00:31:08.771
it's paving the way for more wars,
00:31:08.771 --> 00:31:10.038
the perpetual wars:
00:31:10.038 --> 00:31:11.345
for the war industry,
00:31:11.345 --> 00:31:12.467
for the oil industry,
00:31:12.467 --> 00:31:15.678
for the financial institutions,
00:31:15.678 --> 00:31:17.083
the financial industry.
00:31:17.083 --> 00:31:19.476
Therefore, this is intended.
00:31:19.476 --> 00:31:21.672
So to go back here... people
00:31:21.672 --> 00:31:24.007
-- like, jerks; like, Scheuers and
all these people --
00:31:24.007 --> 00:31:25.459
"Oh, yeah, we see that."
00:31:25.459 --> 00:31:26.985
"When are they going to learn?"
00:31:26.985 --> 00:31:29.152
"When is our government going to learn?"
00:31:29.152 --> 00:31:31.029
"See? We have another blowback!"
00:31:31.029 --> 00:31:32.924
"They were trying to help these people"
00:31:32.924 --> 00:31:35.234
"with their liberation against Assad,"
00:31:35.234 --> 00:31:36.415
"atrocious regime."
00:31:36.415 --> 00:31:38.263
"Now, look: they're here"
00:31:38.263 --> 00:31:39.401
"and our biggest enemy,"
00:31:39.401 --> 00:31:40.915
"and number one enemies:"
00:31:40.915 --> 00:31:42.078
"Blowback!"
00:31:42.078 --> 00:31:44.770
Please: describe that phrase,
00:31:44.770 --> 00:31:46.903
and I would like to hear your take
00:31:46.903 --> 00:31:50.087
on this blowback notion that was
being attached to it
00:31:50.087 --> 00:31:52.090
as it was with al-Qaeda.
00:31:52.090 --> 00:31:53.980
All right, can we go...
00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:55.255
And actually I have an answer to that.
00:31:55.255 --> 00:31:56.623
Yeah, I have an answer to that actually,
00:31:56.623 --> 00:31:57.590
as far as...
00:31:57.590 --> 00:31:59.076
on both points, as a matter of fact.
00:31:59.076 --> 00:32:01.967
The idea that for most Americans
00:32:01.967 --> 00:32:06.079
whatever the US government does
is automatically justified
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:07.700
because, "Hey, it's my government,"
00:32:07.700 --> 00:32:09.067
"and my government can do no wrong:"
00:32:09.067 --> 00:32:10.437
"we're spreading democracy, after all!"
00:32:10.437 --> 00:32:12.953
And so when they go bombing people
all over the world,
00:32:12.953 --> 00:32:14.037
as you mentioned, Sibel,
00:32:14.037 --> 00:32:17.469
it's automatically, it's inherently,
in a way
00:32:17.469 --> 00:32:18.695
-- at least in their mind --
00:32:18.695 --> 00:32:19.971
it's inherently justified
00:32:19.971 --> 00:32:22.140
because we're the United States
00:32:22.140 --> 00:32:23.679
and we're exceptional and we can
do no wrong.
00:32:23.679 --> 00:32:25.247
And to that point, also:
00:32:25.247 --> 00:32:27.290
as far as the blowback angle:
00:32:27.290 --> 00:32:28.891
again, from a psychological perspective,
00:32:28.891 --> 00:32:31.285
it makes sense to say, from that
perspective,
00:32:31.285 --> 00:32:33.957
if your government can do no wrong
and it's inherently good,
00:32:33.957 --> 00:32:36.585
then when it does do something wrong,
00:32:36.585 --> 00:32:38.352
then it must have been a mistake.
00:32:38.352 --> 00:32:40.497
It must have been unintentional,
00:32:40.497 --> 00:32:42.547
and this must be blowback.
00:32:42.547 --> 00:32:44.580
So I go back to the point that
I raised earlier,
00:32:44.580 --> 00:32:45.714
as far as nationalism
00:32:45.714 --> 00:32:49.201
and misguided perceptions of patriotism.
00:32:49.201 --> 00:32:50.417
I think that's what it's rooted in,
00:32:50.417 --> 00:32:52.704
from a psychological perspective:
00:32:52.704 --> 00:32:54.811
the idea that we can do no wrong,
00:32:54.811 --> 00:32:56.049
we are exceptional,
00:32:56.049 --> 00:32:57.211
we are
00:32:57.211 --> 00:32:59.287
-- what's the Navy propaganda
commercial? --
00:32:59.287 --> 00:33:01.007
"A Global Force For Good."
00:33:01.007 --> 00:33:02.527
I throw up every time I see that.
00:33:02.527 --> 00:33:03.800
I can't stand that commercial:
00:33:03.800 --> 00:33:04.648
it comes on every now and then.
00:33:04.648 --> 00:33:06.190
But... yeah.
00:33:06.190 --> 00:33:07.650
So, just to go back to something
00:33:07.650 --> 00:33:09.342
that both of you raised, you and James:
00:33:09.342 --> 00:33:11.162
I just want to echo, I agree completely
00:33:11.162 --> 00:33:14.303
that there's nothing
00:33:14.303 --> 00:33:15.269
-- I believe --
00:33:15.269 --> 00:33:16.743
there's nothing inherently violent
00:33:16.743 --> 00:33:19.077
in Islam as a religion.
00:33:19.077 --> 00:33:20.694
And if you're going to say...
00:33:20.694 --> 00:33:22.441
if you're going to make that argument that
00:33:22.441 --> 00:33:24.682
there's something inherently violent
about the religion,
00:33:24.682 --> 00:33:26.357
then you'd have to say that Christianity
00:33:26.357 --> 00:33:27.828
is also inherently violent
00:33:27.828 --> 00:33:29.073
-- if you're going to make that argument.
00:33:29.073 --> 00:33:30.191
I wouldn't do that.
00:33:30.191 --> 00:33:32.093
But you'd have to put them on
the same plane, I would think.
00:33:32.093 --> 00:33:35.415
That's the sort of argument from
the Bill Mahers of the world.
00:33:35.415 --> 00:33:37.258
He says stuff like this,
00:33:37.258 --> 00:33:39.899
although he does spend a
disproportionate amount of time
00:33:39.899 --> 00:33:41.049
talking about Muslims:
00:33:41.049 --> 00:33:43.118
because, I suppose, they're an easy target
00:33:43.118 --> 00:33:45.177
for an American audience these days.
00:33:45.177 --> 00:33:47.009
And so that's that:
00:33:47.009 --> 00:33:48.037
that sort of account for that.
00:33:48.037 --> 00:33:49.311
But I just wanted to make
00:33:49.311 --> 00:33:50.991
a quick point, quick example,
00:33:50.991 --> 00:33:52.784
to go back to the point that I
raised earlier.
00:33:52.784 --> 00:33:54.498
Because I realize that I did not offer
00:33:54.498 --> 00:33:56.356
a concrete example of what I
was talking about.
00:33:56.356 --> 00:33:58.069
So I just want to throw this
at you briefly,
00:33:58.069 --> 00:34:00.745
and this is a heading from FoxNews.com:
00:34:00.745 --> 00:34:02.240
no surprise there.
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:03.707
So, it says,
00:34:03.707 --> 00:34:05.770
"Congressman: 'At least 10 ISIS fighters'"
00:34:05.770 --> 00:34:07.491
"caught trying to cross into US."
00:34:07.491 --> 00:34:10.083
This is Congressman Duncan Hunter
from California.
00:34:10.083 --> 00:34:13.204
And he cites no source.
00:34:13.204 --> 00:34:17.839
He says, "Oh, anonymous Border Patrol
sources told me that this happened."
00:34:17.839 --> 00:34:19.260
-- again, without any evidence,
00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:20.595
just completely making stuff up.
00:34:20.595 --> 00:34:24.109
It make no sense whatsoever that this
would be happening.
00:34:24.109 --> 00:34:25.899
And for any listeners out there,
00:34:25.899 --> 00:34:28.867
any viewers that are even entertaining
this thought
00:34:28.867 --> 00:34:29.897
-- because, as I said earlier:
00:34:29.897 --> 00:34:31.202
I've seen this not only
00:34:31.202 --> 00:34:32.557
in the mainstream press, like in Fox News;
00:34:32.557 --> 00:34:33.998
I've seen this in so-called alt-media
outlets,
00:34:33.998 --> 00:34:36.608
perpetuating the same nonsense
00:34:36.608 --> 00:34:39.485
that ISIS fighters are sneaking over.
00:34:39.485 --> 00:34:41.826
But think about this for a second:
00:34:41.826 --> 00:34:44.557
if you're an ISIS terrorist in Iraq
or Syria,
00:34:44.557 --> 00:34:47.517
and your objective is to sneak
into the United States,
00:34:47.517 --> 00:34:51.224
you're going to cross an ocean, right?
00:34:51.224 --> 00:34:53.367
At some point, either by plane
or boat or something...
00:34:53.367 --> 00:34:55.209
No thinking!
00:34:55.209 --> 00:34:56.516
Well, yeah. [laughs]
00:34:56.516 --> 00:34:58.610
Because some of... why would
you go to Mexico
00:34:58.610 --> 00:35:01.911
and then cross to the US border?
00:35:01.911 --> 00:35:04.565
Why wouldn't you go directly into
the United States,
00:35:04.565 --> 00:35:06.007
or why not go to Canada
00:35:06.007 --> 00:35:08.332
where the border is much less protected:
00:35:08.332 --> 00:35:09.766
it's much more open.
00:35:09.766 --> 00:35:11.275
It's warmer! [xx] [laughter]
00:35:11.275 --> 00:35:13.413
Maybe the [xx] The weather's better:
00:35:13.413 --> 00:35:15.827
that's why they're going to Mexico first.
00:35:15.827 --> 00:35:17.816
It makes no sense at all. But anyway...
00:35:17.816 --> 00:35:19.743
They'd have to stop off and pick up
00:35:19.743 --> 00:35:22.957
the "Fast and Furious" guns on their
way to the gig. [laughter]
00:35:22.957 --> 00:35:25.349
That's it. That is funny.
00:35:25.349 --> 00:35:27.898
No, no: the answer is to militarize
the Canadian border, Guillermo!
00:35:27.898 --> 00:35:29.402
That's what we need to do. [laughter]
00:35:29.402 --> 00:35:31.782
All right, OK: Can I have a say?
00:35:31.782 --> 00:35:32.761
Yes.
00:35:32.761 --> 00:35:34.933
Yeah, go for it.
00:35:34.933 --> 00:35:36.300
All right. Well, on the blowback note:
00:35:36.300 --> 00:35:38.806
there was a humorous comment left
on The Corbett Report
00:35:38.806 --> 00:35:42.042
-- I think with regards to our previous
Beard World Order conversation,
00:35:42.042 --> 00:35:46.161
where the latest stories about the
humanitarian aid being dropped
00:35:46.161 --> 00:35:48.371
into Iraq or Syria or wherever it is
00:35:48.371 --> 00:35:50.028
that's getting "blown by the winds"
00:35:50.028 --> 00:35:52.784
into, actually, Islamic State hands.
00:35:52.784 --> 00:35:53.725
And somebody said,
00:35:53.725 --> 00:35:55.560
"Well, that's what 'blowback' really is"
00:35:55.560 --> 00:35:56.692
-- ha-ha-ha.
00:35:56.692 --> 00:35:59.312
But, OK: let's think of it this way.
00:35:59.312 --> 00:36:02.967
I think we shouldn't do disservice
to the argument
00:36:02.967 --> 00:36:05.997
that Islamic terror is Islamic,
00:36:05.997 --> 00:36:08.678
because I think what we're dealing
with here
00:36:08.678 --> 00:36:10.140
is just basic logic:
00:36:10.140 --> 00:36:13.853
all x are y, therefore all y are x?
No, of course that doesn't follow.
00:36:13.853 --> 00:36:18.661
All Islamic terrorists are Islamic,
therefore all terrorists are Islamic?
00:36:18.661 --> 00:36:19.749
No, that doesn't follow.
00:36:19.749 --> 00:36:21.527
So I think what we have to do is
understand, yes:
00:36:21.527 --> 00:36:24.149
the Islamic State is clearly Islamic.
00:36:24.149 --> 00:36:28.153
The people who fight for Islamic State
are clearly Islamists
00:36:28.153 --> 00:36:30.524
-- I mean, that's a prerequisite, right?
00:36:30.524 --> 00:36:33.143
Or the people at the lower levels, anyway:
00:36:33.143 --> 00:36:35.963
I don't know about the people at the
top of these organizations.
00:36:35.963 --> 00:36:38.904
But anyway, clearly an Islamic
organization
00:36:38.904 --> 00:36:41.086
trying to set up an Islamic caliphate.
00:36:41.086 --> 00:36:43.542
I mean, there is a religious element
to this.
00:36:43.542 --> 00:36:45.421
And you could say, well, with the
US military,
00:36:45.421 --> 00:36:47.074
it is not exclusively Christian.
00:36:47.074 --> 00:36:50.627
There are people who are not Christian
who serve in the US military forces,
00:36:50.627 --> 00:36:53.526
and they are not serving explicitly
Christian ends;
00:36:53.526 --> 00:36:57.048
they are not trying to establish an
explicitly Christian government
00:36:57.048 --> 00:36:59.822
in Syria or Iraq, or what have you.
00:36:59.822 --> 00:37:01.784
So it's different in that regard.
00:37:01.784 --> 00:37:04.755
I think that would only bolster
my argument
00:37:04.755 --> 00:37:06.140
that statism is a religion,
00:37:06.140 --> 00:37:09.875
because it's always framed in,
"We're doing this for democracy,"
00:37:09.875 --> 00:37:12.716
which is, I think, the religious
conviction
00:37:12.716 --> 00:37:16.167
of a lot of people who are serving
in the military in this context.
00:37:16.167 --> 00:37:17.703
But anyway, I think that would be
the argument
00:37:17.703 --> 00:37:19.707
that a lot of people would put against
00:37:19.707 --> 00:37:21.082
the argument that we're making here,
00:37:21.082 --> 00:37:22.781
and I think, again, I think we have
00:37:22.781 --> 00:37:25.279
to point out the logical flaws in this:
00:37:25.279 --> 00:37:27.062
that, yes, there is a subsection
00:37:27.062 --> 00:37:30.339
of Islamic culture or Islamic peoples
00:37:30.339 --> 00:37:33.537
that are motivated by their religion
00:37:33.537 --> 00:37:34.596
to commit acts of violence.
00:37:34.596 --> 00:37:37.273
Again, like every other religious sect
00:37:37.273 --> 00:37:39.760
has their own similar problems.
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:44.029
But let's put that in the perspective
00:37:44.029 --> 00:37:44.472
of what we've been talking about
00:37:44.472 --> 00:37:47.555
as some sort of marketing campaign:
00:37:47.555 --> 00:37:49.986
because it strikes me that
something that...
00:37:49.986 --> 00:37:52.686
just as human beings, fundamentally,
00:37:52.686 --> 00:37:54.552
psychologically, something that we
00:37:54.552 --> 00:37:55.686
are almost incapable of doing
00:37:55.686 --> 00:37:57.240
is seeing that when we are looking
00:37:57.240 --> 00:37:58.966
at something on the TV
00:37:58.966 --> 00:38:00.244
-- when we're watching some report
00:38:00.244 --> 00:38:03.099
that's filed from Syria or Iraq
or wherever --
00:38:03.099 --> 00:38:04.469
on the TV,
00:38:04.469 --> 00:38:07.341
what we are seeing is explicitly
what we are being shown.
00:38:07.341 --> 00:38:10.121
We are seeing whatever the
camera is pointed at,
00:38:10.121 --> 00:38:13.264
and we are not seeing what the
camera is not pointing at.
00:38:13.264 --> 00:38:14.687
And that's not just the literal,
00:38:14.687 --> 00:38:15.965
that's also metaphorical.
00:38:15.965 --> 00:38:16.969
I mean, there is...
00:38:16.969 --> 00:38:18.562
whatever we are not seeing
00:38:18.562 --> 00:38:21.012
is the big, excluded factor in all
of this.
00:38:21.012 --> 00:38:24.803
We are seeing the faces of these
journalists
00:38:24.803 --> 00:38:27.238
who supposedly are being beheaded
in these videos.
00:38:27.238 --> 00:38:28.366
These...
00:38:28.366 --> 00:38:32.297
"this is the face of... this is what
happens with Islamic terror,"
00:38:32.297 --> 00:38:34.425
and these Islamic terrorists kill
these people.
00:38:34.425 --> 00:38:36.582
And look at these white journalists
00:38:36.582 --> 00:38:38.694
out there that are being killed:
00:38:38.694 --> 00:38:39.787
it's horrific.
00:38:39.787 --> 00:38:42.027
But what we are not seeing is...
00:38:42.027 --> 00:38:43.685
I think, Sibel, what you were
gesturing towards
00:38:43.685 --> 00:38:46.457
-- is the victims of the terror
00:38:46.457 --> 00:38:48.283
inflicted by the US government,
00:38:48.283 --> 00:38:49.354
or the Israeli government,
00:38:49.354 --> 00:38:51.587
or any of the allied NATO countries'
governments
00:38:51.587 --> 00:38:53.701
with these bombs dropping on
these populations,
00:38:53.701 --> 00:38:56.262
and the Agent Orange, or whatever:
00:38:56.262 --> 00:38:58.247
those are the excluded faces,
00:38:58.247 --> 00:38:59.755
and explicitly so.
00:38:59.755 --> 00:39:02.776
Because again, most of these images
00:39:02.776 --> 00:39:05.645
are explicitly censored from the media,
00:39:05.645 --> 00:39:07.060
that we are not allowed to show
00:39:07.060 --> 00:39:09.329
some of these things on television.
00:39:09.329 --> 00:39:12.617
You can't show a corpse hideously mangled
00:39:12.617 --> 00:39:16.065
by a Hellfire missile from a drone.
00:39:16.065 --> 00:39:18.991
You can't show any of these things on TV,
00:39:18.991 --> 00:39:20.170
because that would be...
00:39:20.170 --> 00:39:21.771
that would offend our sensibilities.
00:39:21.771 --> 00:39:24.632
But of course you can parade
these beheaded journalists out,
00:39:24.632 --> 00:39:26.197
and show them a million times a day
00:39:26.197 --> 00:39:28.266
until we think this is the most pressing
issue
00:39:28.266 --> 00:39:29.424
on the face of the planet.
00:39:29.424 --> 00:39:30.369
So again, it's...
00:39:30.369 --> 00:39:31.730
what we are not being shown
00:39:31.730 --> 00:39:32.706
is not only equally important,
00:39:32.706 --> 00:39:36.553
but probably more important,
than what we are being shown.
00:39:36.553 --> 00:39:39.945
Well, I want to address
00:39:39.945 --> 00:39:42.466
the question Sibel posed about blowback.
00:39:42.466 --> 00:39:43.910
And on one level,
00:39:43.910 --> 00:39:46.708
I certainly appreciate what you're saying:
00:39:46.708 --> 00:39:49.287
that we shouldn't use blowback
00:39:49.287 --> 00:39:52.075
to describe things that are
probably intentional.
00:39:52.075 --> 00:39:56.214
But I do think that this is a multi-layered
story,
00:39:56.214 --> 00:40:00.570
and that there is a legitimate use of the
term blowback
00:40:00.570 --> 00:40:03.570
when you talk about the failed strategy
00:40:03.570 --> 00:40:05.121
of the so-called "surge,"
00:40:05.121 --> 00:40:08.176
which separated Sunni and Shia
00:40:08.176 --> 00:40:11.506
in an effort to tamp down the civil war
00:40:11.506 --> 00:40:14.825
that has since re-erupted in Iraq.
00:40:14.825 --> 00:40:19.653
I do believe that we're experiencing
blowback
00:40:19.653 --> 00:40:21.365
from the de-Baathification,
00:40:21.365 --> 00:40:24.087
the marginalization of Sunnis
00:40:24.087 --> 00:40:27.143
early in the occupation of Iraq.
00:40:27.143 --> 00:40:35.294
So I take your point that there
are
intentional objectives
00:40:35.294 --> 00:40:39.723
and initiatives by the United States
and some of our allies
00:40:39.723 --> 00:40:44.175
that don't properly fall under the
term "blowback,"
00:40:44.175 --> 00:40:47.755
and I do understand your irritation
when it's misapplied,
00:40:47.755 --> 00:40:50.067
but I think that we're paying a price,
00:40:50.067 --> 00:40:52.171
as I mentioned earlier,
00:40:52.171 --> 00:40:57.143
for the detention and torture
regimes that we employed.
00:40:57.143 --> 00:41:00.257
We're seeing that used against us now,
00:41:00.257 --> 00:41:03.549
and I do consider that a form of blowback,
00:41:03.549 --> 00:41:05.797
because it was simply stupid
00:41:05.797 --> 00:41:09.834
for the United States to employ
those tactics,
00:41:09.834 --> 00:41:12.757
and we are playing a price for it;
00:41:12.757 --> 00:41:15.067
and again, I would legitimately put that
00:41:15.067 --> 00:41:18.671
under the proper definition of blowback.
00:41:18.671 --> 00:41:22.580
OK, well, I have a comeback for that one:
00:41:22.580 --> 00:41:25.671
because let's say that is true
00:41:25.671 --> 00:41:27.413
-- which I don't believe is the case,
00:41:27.413 --> 00:41:30.846
because there is this saying,
00:41:30.846 --> 00:41:32.577
it's an English, American saying,
00:41:32.577 --> 00:41:36.600
fool me once, shame on you;
fool me twice, shame on me?"
00:41:36.600 --> 00:41:38.620
Is that how it goes?
00:41:38.620 --> 00:41:40.695
Not according to George [W.] Bush,
but [xx]
00:41:40.695 --> 00:41:44.206
[laughs] Right. Well, think about it:
00:41:44.206 --> 00:41:46.741
because we have been saying this,
00:41:46.741 --> 00:41:49.130
and the analysts on CNN
00:41:49.130 --> 00:41:51.522
have been talking about what you
just talked about,
00:41:51.522 --> 00:41:53.874
for the past half-century, OK?
00:41:53.874 --> 00:41:56.911
They... we have had so many analysts
00:41:56.911 --> 00:41:58.284
coming on all mainstream media
00:41:58.284 --> 00:42:00.886
and saying we had, even, blowback
00:42:00.886 --> 00:42:02.702
because we installed Shah regime there
00:42:02.702 --> 00:42:05.376
-- OK, the kingdom there? --
00:42:05.376 --> 00:42:07.455
and because of that, this happened.
00:42:07.455 --> 00:42:10.261
Well, if that were the case, Peter,
00:42:10.261 --> 00:42:13.197
if you have it over half a century
00:42:13.197 --> 00:42:14.248
once or twice,
00:42:14.248 --> 00:42:15.407
and three times, four times,
00:42:15.407 --> 00:42:16.477
five times, six times,
00:42:16.477 --> 00:42:17.216
seven times, eight times
00:42:17.216 --> 00:42:18.652
15 times, 30 times, 50 times,
00:42:18.652 --> 00:42:21.531
then you say, "What the fuck?" OK?
00:42:21.531 --> 00:42:22.523
-- excuse my language here --
00:42:22.523 --> 00:42:26.415
I mean, you can't fall back on that
blowback
00:42:26.415 --> 00:42:28.445
for goddamn 50 years, OK,
00:42:28.445 --> 00:42:29.684
and then come and say,
00:42:29.684 --> 00:42:32.624
"Aiee! We don't know why it didn't work."
00:42:32.624 --> 00:42:35.244
This re-drawing of the maps, OK?
00:42:35.244 --> 00:42:37.609
Using the sects and the tribes
00:42:37.609 --> 00:42:40.128
and the Sunnis and the Shias and
the Kurds against each other,
00:42:40.128 --> 00:42:41.242
we've been doing it,
00:42:41.242 --> 00:42:42.674
and we have had a lot of blowback,
00:42:42.674 --> 00:42:44.840
because those blowbacks are intended.
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:46.531
Because if they were not,
00:42:46.531 --> 00:42:49.525
you do it once and twice and 50 times
and 100 times:
00:42:49.525 --> 00:42:50.997
you won't do it again.
00:42:50.997 --> 00:42:52.694
If that was the case,
00:42:52.694 --> 00:42:55.106
we wouldn't continue after 9/11
00:42:55.106 --> 00:42:57.175
supporting Saudi Arabia.
00:42:57.175 --> 00:43:01.673
Can you imagine the blowback we're
going to see in Saudi Arabia?
00:43:01.673 --> 00:43:05.710
I mean, we have seen nothing with Syria
and Iraq.
00:43:05.710 --> 00:43:08.418
When the Saudis, the population
00:43:08.418 --> 00:43:10.996
when they really rise up
00:43:10.996 --> 00:43:15.507
and they get rid of this despicable
kingdom regime
00:43:15.507 --> 00:43:17.958
that is installed there by the United
States,
00:43:17.958 --> 00:43:20.168
protected in place by the United States,
00:43:20.168 --> 00:43:25.251
you're gonna see the biggest bloodshed
of our time,
00:43:25.251 --> 00:43:27.392
as far as Middle East is concer--
00:43:27.392 --> 00:43:28.885
I mean, it's happening. It's in the
corner.
00:43:28.885 --> 00:43:30.803
Do you think there anyone,
00:43:30.803 --> 00:43:34.126
anyone in the United States government,
00:43:34.126 --> 00:43:35.780
in the State Department, in the CIA,
00:43:35.780 --> 00:43:37.110
who doesn't see this?
00:43:37.110 --> 00:43:38.403
Who doesn't expect this?
00:43:38.403 --> 00:43:40.184
If that was blowback,
00:43:40.184 --> 00:43:43.164
at least after 9/11 we would have said,
00:43:43.164 --> 00:43:44.742
"We're not gonna do this!"
00:43:44.742 --> 00:43:49.388
Because how many times you're gonna
suffer blowback of the exact same thing?
00:43:49.388 --> 00:43:51.581
That means a second option,
00:43:51.581 --> 00:43:54.162
and that means all these people are
totally
00:43:54.162 --> 00:43:56.239
[gestures strumming lips with finger]
ba-dih-ba-dih-ba-dih -- crazy, OK?
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:57.626
[laughter] That's why we keep doing
the same thing
00:43:57.626 --> 00:44:00.762
-- which, I don't think it holds true --
00:44:00.762 --> 00:44:04.238
or the only other alternative is,
00:44:04.238 --> 00:44:05.639
again, it's intentional:
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:07.491
it is intended.
00:44:07.491 --> 00:44:09.580
The division here of Iraq,
00:44:09.580 --> 00:44:11.414
with Sunnis and the Shias and the Kurds:
00:44:11.414 --> 00:44:14.760
right now, that's exactly what the
United States is doing.
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:18.389
And I had the same conversation
with one person...
00:44:18.389 --> 00:44:21.107
he's a Kurdish person in that region
00:44:21.107 --> 00:44:23.387
-- and he was saying,
"You know something?"
00:44:23.387 --> 00:44:26.397
Actually, he really appreciates what
the United States is doing
00:44:26.397 --> 00:44:29.101
-- "Finally they are helping us,"
00:44:29.101 --> 00:44:30.889
"and with all the stuff they're gonna
give us,"
00:44:30.889 --> 00:44:32.619
"we have some other objectives."
00:44:32.619 --> 00:44:34.281
"Because these guns that we are
getting..."
00:44:34.281 --> 00:44:36.888
-- they have other enemies as well,
the Kurds:
00:44:36.888 --> 00:44:39.374
so there are Kurds in Iran,
00:44:39.374 --> 00:44:42.462
there are Kurds in the southern part
of Turkey
00:44:42.462 --> 00:44:44.491
-- "so we have plans, and we love it!"
00:44:44.491 --> 00:44:45.703
And I told this man
00:44:45.703 --> 00:44:52.678
-- this very nice, informed on many
levels, but emotional Kurdish person --
00:44:52.678 --> 00:44:55.393
I said, "How many times do you have
to be used?"
00:44:55.393 --> 00:44:58.919
Because they always use the Kurds,
00:44:58.919 --> 00:45:00.189
whenever it's convenient,
00:45:00.189 --> 00:45:02.377
for a very short period of time, right?
00:45:02.377 --> 00:45:05.784
The United States and NATO, they do that.
00:45:05.784 --> 00:45:07.867
And then, when they finish,
00:45:07.867 --> 00:45:08.990
when the job is finished,
00:45:08.990 --> 00:45:10.025
they turn their backs.
00:45:10.025 --> 00:45:11.715
And let's say it is Turkey
00:45:11.715 --> 00:45:13.823
who is gonna go and massacre them
00:45:13.823 --> 00:45:15.250
in the tens of thousands:
00:45:15.250 --> 00:45:17.078
they won't even lift a finger.
00:45:17.078 --> 00:45:18.167
So it's temporary,
00:45:18.167 --> 00:45:20.718
and these same people are gonna
come after you,
00:45:20.718 --> 00:45:21.986
or when others come after you,
00:45:21.986 --> 00:45:24.819
they're gonna make sure the others
have the green light.
00:45:24.819 --> 00:45:25.894
So, no:
00:45:25.894 --> 00:45:28.962
I absolutely, absolutely believe
00:45:28.962 --> 00:45:32.542
that none of these are blowbacks
that are not intended.
00:45:32.542 --> 00:45:36.078
And if it is intended, if these are
intended
00:45:36.078 --> 00:45:37.018
-- which they are --
00:45:37.018 --> 00:45:40.323
it is not a blowback.
00:45:40.323 --> 00:45:42.978
Blowback has to be unintended, by nature:
00:45:42.978 --> 00:45:44.859
there is no other kind of blowback there.
00:45:44.859 --> 00:45:46.478
Maybe we can find a different terminology.
00:45:46.478 --> 00:45:51.704
I want to give a very quick
Persian-Iranian belief:
00:45:51.704 --> 00:45:55.002
it's like an idiom, mixture with
folktales:
00:45:55.002 --> 00:45:57.468
they have this saying, they say,
00:45:57.468 --> 00:46:01.191
"Don't ever leave the roofer alone
in the roof for the repair," OK?
00:46:01.191 --> 00:46:04.695
And here's where the folktale comes from:
00:46:04.695 --> 00:46:06.873
they have flat roofs in Iran, OK?
00:46:06.873 --> 00:46:10.226
They are not... you know, the slanted
roofs.
00:46:10.226 --> 00:46:12.122
And with the bricks and...
00:46:12.122 --> 00:46:13.829
it's one of the businesses
00:46:13.829 --> 00:46:16.482
that, especially historically, is there:
00:46:16.482 --> 00:46:17.622
it's the roofers.
00:46:17.622 --> 00:46:19.510
They go, because some of these bricks
come loose,
00:46:19.510 --> 00:46:20.724
and it causes leakage,
00:46:20.724 --> 00:46:22.068
and they repair it.
00:46:22.068 --> 00:46:24.865
So the folktales goes that when the roofer
00:46:24.865 --> 00:46:27.314
-- you know, in this particular city
or village --
00:46:27.314 --> 00:46:28.210
goes there,
00:46:28.210 --> 00:46:31.063
because he's called to repair
a couple of things
00:46:31.063 --> 00:46:33.937
-- on his way out, if he's not watched
by the house owner,
00:46:33.937 --> 00:46:36.694
he's gonna go and loosen up
00:46:36.694 --> 00:46:38.623
several other of these brick pieces
00:46:38.623 --> 00:46:41.607
so that two weeks later he's called again.
00:46:41.607 --> 00:46:45.625
This is how the roofer maintains
his business, OK?
00:46:45.625 --> 00:46:47.444
And especially if you are looking
at smaller areas.
00:46:47.444 --> 00:46:49.834
So if everything is fixed so well,
00:46:49.834 --> 00:46:51.594
he may go for a year and a half
00:46:51.594 --> 00:46:53.491
not having anything to repair,
00:46:53.491 --> 00:46:58.139
so he actually induces problems
so that he would be called.
00:46:58.139 --> 00:46:59.900
And they are very good at it, supposedly:
00:46:59.900 --> 00:47:01.315
tactically, they are doing it:
00:47:01.315 --> 00:47:03.287
so it will come loose in two weeks,
00:47:03.287 --> 00:47:04.576
they will be called.
00:47:04.576 --> 00:47:06.540
This is exactly what we have
00:47:06.540 --> 00:47:08.778
when we have the real Deep State
00:47:08.778 --> 00:47:10.395
that is made up...
00:47:10.395 --> 00:47:11.982
the military-industrial complex,
00:47:11.982 --> 00:47:13.158
and the oil,
00:47:13.158 --> 00:47:15.032
and the financial institutions.
00:47:15.032 --> 00:47:18.729
Look: their existence, their expansion...
00:47:18.729 --> 00:47:22.442
OK, besides their survival and existence
and expansion,
00:47:22.442 --> 00:47:26.979
OK, all of these depend on the war
industry.
00:47:26.979 --> 00:47:30.966
They want wars, expansion, colonialism.
00:47:30.966 --> 00:47:32.297
This is the colonialism:
00:47:32.297 --> 00:47:33.398
there is nothing different.
00:47:33.398 --> 00:47:34.807
When we have bases in Afghanistan,
00:47:34.807 --> 00:47:36.814
that's modern colonialism.
00:47:36.814 --> 00:47:38.325
Nobody would disagree with that.
00:47:38.325 --> 00:47:40.612
So we have to induce we.
00:47:40.612 --> 00:47:42.714
We have to have these beheadings.
00:47:42.714 --> 00:47:46.290
If it doesn't happen, we have to
artificially induce it;
00:47:46.290 --> 00:47:49.702
because once we do that, look at
their stock prices, OK?
00:47:49.702 --> 00:47:52.901
Look at the expenditure on the
military-industrial complex.
00:47:52.901 --> 00:47:56.707
The more wars we have, the more
conflicts we have all over the world:
00:47:56.707 --> 00:48:00.272
I mean, in most cases we sell to both
sides, OK?
00:48:00.272 --> 00:48:01.836
When you look at both sides,
00:48:01.836 --> 00:48:05.640
either they are getting these guns
or whatever from the black market,
00:48:05.640 --> 00:48:07.405
or they are given, as subsidiaries,
00:48:07.405 --> 00:48:10.012
by the United States.
00:48:10.012 --> 00:48:14.129
Who wins? Who wins in these scenarios,
in these wars? OK?
00:48:14.129 --> 00:48:17.902
Is it a "blowback" for those people?
00:48:17.902 --> 00:48:19.841
This is intended.
00:48:19.841 --> 00:48:21.969
This is exactly what they want.
00:48:21.969 --> 00:48:23.369
And, guess what else they want:
00:48:23.369 --> 00:48:27.082
police state, also, increases
that expenditure.
00:48:27.082 --> 00:48:30.769
So when we have those terror attacks, OK?
00:48:30.769 --> 00:48:35.152
-- like Boston bombing, that was
induced, that was completely staged,
00:48:35.152 --> 00:48:40.916
that was false-flag? OK, it was: I believe,
100 percent that it was.
00:48:40.916 --> 00:48:45.556
When you have the Metro bombing
in the UK, guess who's selling?
00:48:45.556 --> 00:48:49.025
You're gonna put more X-Ray mach
ines in the airports,
00:48:49.025 --> 00:48:52.108
and you're going to have more of
these checkpoints,
00:48:52.108 --> 00:48:53.447
you're going to have more border control:
00:48:53.447 --> 00:48:59.127
you have to fatten up, expand these
old institutions, OK?
00:48:59.127 --> 00:49:02.350
Create jobs that otherwise are not
being created
00:49:02.350 --> 00:49:05.075
in a country that is bankrupt, OK?
00:49:05.075 --> 00:49:07.135
Right now, the war machine
00:49:07.135 --> 00:49:08.460
-- even though we are borrowing --
00:49:08.460 --> 00:49:12.486
is sustaining this rotten economy.
00:49:12.486 --> 00:49:14.559
You take that away, it won't be.
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:16.166
And you call it "blowback?"
00:49:16.166 --> 00:49:17.194
No.
00:49:17.194 --> 00:49:19.655
There are people who are, big time,
profiting from it.
00:49:19.655 --> 00:49:23.014
And it doesn't fall into their lap
by coincidence.
00:49:23.014 --> 00:49:25.426
It's exactly the same as those roofers.
00:49:25.426 --> 00:49:27.723
You go and do this stuff with the Sunnis;
00:49:27.723 --> 00:49:29.956
and you do to it, this thing with
the Kurds;
00:49:29.956 --> 00:49:32.241
and you do train these people,
00:49:32.241 --> 00:49:34.104
Syrian freedom fighters,
00:49:34.104 --> 00:49:35.701
rebels in Turkey and Jordan,
00:49:35.701 --> 00:49:36.850
and send them there.
00:49:36.850 --> 00:49:41.223
You do all those stuff because
you have intended consequences.
00:49:41.223 --> 00:49:44.745
And as a top analyst, you take it
from here. [laughter]
00:49:44.745 --> 00:49:46.761
And I wanted to add, just quickly, that...
00:49:46.761 --> 00:49:47.712
Guillermo?
00:49:47.712 --> 00:49:48.816
Yeah. Well, I think what you're describing
00:49:48.816 --> 00:49:50.120
is the problem-reaction-solution strategy,
00:49:50.120 --> 00:49:52.361
which I think our listeners are
probably in tune with.
00:49:52.361 --> 00:49:53.086
But one thing that I wanted to
mention, though:
00:49:53.086 --> 00:49:55.941
I think you're absolutely right.
00:49:55.941 --> 00:49:57.770
One point that you made that I
really wanted to highlight
00:49:57.770 --> 00:49:59.745
was that these strategies, at this point,
00:49:59.745 --> 00:50:02.730
they're not creating the police state:
00:50:02.730 --> 00:50:05.205
they are sustaining, maintaining
the police state.
00:50:05.205 --> 00:50:07.141
In large part, because as you just
mentioned,
00:50:07.141 --> 00:50:09.113
because it did create thousands of jobs,
00:50:09.113 --> 00:50:11.313
and those people want to keep their jobs.
00:50:11.313 --> 00:50:12.625
And they want to keep those dollars,
00:50:12.625 --> 00:50:13.910
those federal dollars, flowing
00:50:13.910 --> 00:50:17.310
into the DEA, the FBI, the DHS,
00:50:17.310 --> 00:50:19.395
and all the... especially the border area.
00:50:19.395 --> 00:50:22.817
Jesus! The border would have
no economy whatsoever
00:50:22.817 --> 00:50:24.887
if it were not for the Department
of Homeland Security
00:50:24.887 --> 00:50:26.931
and the growing surveillance and
police state:
00:50:26.931 --> 00:50:29.093
so, that's completely right-on.
00:50:29.093 --> 00:50:31.086
I wanted to just offer, on the
blowback point,
00:50:31.086 --> 00:50:32.982
perhaps a little bit of a middle ground.
00:50:32.982 --> 00:50:34.586
Because if I understood Peter correctly,
00:50:34.586 --> 00:50:36.177
I think what you were saying
00:50:36.177 --> 00:50:38.040
was that there is such a thing
00:50:38.040 --> 00:50:41.256
as unintended consequences,
on a small scale.
00:50:41.256 --> 00:50:44.119
Because after all, we're talking
about human action,
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:46.420
and you can't 100 percent predict
00:50:46.420 --> 00:50:49.094
what human beings are going to do.
00:50:49.094 --> 00:50:51.334
But I think on a large scale, on
a big-picture,
00:50:51.334 --> 00:50:52.658
I think you're absolutely right, Sibel.
00:50:52.658 --> 00:50:54.382
I'm not a subscriber of
00:50:54.382 --> 00:50:56.266
incompetence theories and
coincidence theories,
00:50:56.266 --> 00:50:57.688
so when you see this happening
00:50:57.688 --> 00:51:00.184
over and over and over again on
that big scale,
00:51:00.184 --> 00:51:03.974
then yeah: I absolutely would agree
00:51:03.974 --> 00:51:06.600
that you cannot call that blowback.
00:51:06.600 --> 00:51:10.729
If you do, then you're either
misinterpreting it, I believe,
00:51:10.729 --> 00:51:12.946
or just being duplicitous, in a way.
00:51:12.946 --> 00:51:16.196
Also... oh!
00:51:16.196 --> 00:51:17.815
There was one other quick point that...
00:51:17.815 --> 00:51:19.794
this is kind of going back
00:51:19.794 --> 00:51:21.054
to something else that we talked about,
00:51:21.054 --> 00:51:24.382
but if I could just go back to the point
00:51:24.382 --> 00:51:27.853
on Islamic terror being used as a
marketing tool
00:51:27.853 --> 00:51:30.834
and the comparisons that you made, Sibel,
00:51:30.834 --> 00:51:34.226
with how this is reported versus how...
00:51:34.226 --> 00:51:36.834
you would never in a million years
00:51:36.834 --> 00:51:38.362
see those headlines you described
00:51:38.362 --> 00:51:40.913
about Jewish terrorists or Christian
terrorists,
00:51:40.913 --> 00:51:42.029
so on and so forth.
00:51:42.029 --> 00:51:46.039
I think the last time that I can reme
mber a headline
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.038
even coming close to something
like that
00:51:48.038 --> 00:51:50.002
would be 1995,
00:51:50.002 --> 00:51:52.120
the Oklahoma City bombing with
Timothy McVeigh,
00:51:52.120 --> 00:51:54.223
there may have been a headline saying,
00:51:54.223 --> 00:51:56.217
"Christian..." whatever.
00:51:56.217 --> 00:51:58.567
But it was always paired with "extremist"
00:51:58.567 --> 00:52:01.812
or "right-wing, fringe, nut-job
Christian..."
00:52:01.812 --> 00:52:05.789
whatever: all these kind of qualifiers
before "Christian."
00:52:05.789 --> 00:52:07.996
And so I just wanted to highlight that,
00:52:07.996 --> 00:52:10.206
because I can't think of another
example besides that.
00:52:10.206 --> 00:52:13.256
Maybe you guys could help me
out with that,
00:52:13.256 --> 00:52:14.344
but I honestly cannot think of one...
00:52:14.344 --> 00:52:17.842
The only other example I can think
of is, it happened
00:52:17.842 --> 00:52:21.219
when we had those abortion
clinics bombings,
00:52:21.219 --> 00:52:25.604
and it was attributed to Christian
ultra-right-wing extremists
00:52:25.604 --> 00:52:27.641
that engaged in this, that was
short-lived.
00:52:27.641 --> 00:52:30.153
So that's the second, only,
example that I can think of.
00:52:30.153 --> 00:52:31.797
Yeah, and it was used the same way,
00:52:31.797 --> 00:52:33.941
for the same ends, ultimately:
00:52:33.941 --> 00:52:35.824
to expand the police state,
00:52:35.824 --> 00:52:39.100
to drum up all this fear about terrorism.
00:52:39.100 --> 00:52:41.803
And in fact, that was after Oklahoma City
00:52:41.803 --> 00:52:45.428
was when Bill Clinton attempted
to introduce
00:52:45.428 --> 00:52:48.276
what became known as the Patriot Act.
00:52:48.276 --> 00:52:51.753
It was the same legislation, I suppose:
00:52:51.753 --> 00:52:54.636
the effect was not large enough
00:52:54.636 --> 00:52:55.873
to push that through at the time,
00:52:55.873 --> 00:52:57.276
and then came 9/11,
00:52:57.276 --> 00:52:59.016
and we all know what happened after that.
00:52:59.016 --> 00:53:00.382
So just wanted to, again,
00:53:00.382 --> 00:53:02.066
bring that up, just for context.
00:53:02.066 --> 00:53:03.827
James?
00:53:03.827 --> 00:53:06.551
Well, I don't have a lot of add
00:53:06.551 --> 00:53:08.204
to what's been said already,
00:53:08.204 --> 00:53:09.092
except for the fact that,
00:53:09.092 --> 00:53:10.230
on the blowback note,
00:53:10.230 --> 00:53:11.485
it's interesting to note
00:53:11.485 --> 00:53:14.193
that the same people who push
the blowback narrative
00:53:14.193 --> 00:53:18.610
are these same people who
cheer-led for every invasion
00:53:18.610 --> 00:53:21.474
that led to the so-called blowback
that they're now lamenting,
00:53:21.474 --> 00:53:23.554
including Amy Goodman
00:53:23.554 --> 00:53:26.656
and all of these other cheerleaders
for the war state
00:53:26.656 --> 00:53:27.861
who are cheerleading on:
00:53:27.861 --> 00:53:30.078
"Let's get Gaddafi in Libya!"
00:53:30.078 --> 00:53:31.946
"Let's go into Syria: look at Assad!"
00:53:31.946 --> 00:53:33.143
And now they're like,
00:53:33.143 --> 00:53:35.379
"Oh, look at the blowback! Oh, this
is so horrible!" [laughter]
00:53:35.379 --> 00:53:36.943
And it's just another example:
00:53:36.943 --> 00:53:39.374
how long will people continue to listen
00:53:39.374 --> 00:53:41.819
to the same people who cheerlead
for the war state
00:53:41.819 --> 00:53:43.370
and then pretend to be surprised
00:53:43.370 --> 00:53:44.828
by the consequences of it?
00:53:44.828 --> 00:53:47.242
Rather than listening to the actual
alternatives, like...
00:53:47.242 --> 00:53:48.752
That's right.
00:53:48.752 --> 00:53:50.107
...the people here in this conversation.
[laughter]
00:53:50.107 --> 00:53:52.234
Who were warning about this before
the Libyan invasion,
00:53:52.234 --> 00:53:53.785
before what happened in Syria.
00:53:53.785 --> 00:53:54.615
Exactly!
00:53:54.615 --> 00:53:55.645
We were right all along.
00:53:55.645 --> 00:53:57.304
We were right before it even happened.
00:53:57.304 --> 00:53:59.022
But now the people who were wrong
all along
00:53:59.022 --> 00:54:00.392
are the ones who are gonna be listened to
00:54:00.392 --> 00:54:02.195
by a lot of misled people
00:54:02.195 --> 00:54:03.402
who believe that they're listening
00:54:03.402 --> 00:54:04.631
to some sort of alternative voice.
00:54:04.631 --> 00:54:06.681
And, "Oh, the blowback! Oh, the humanity!"
00:54:06.681 --> 00:54:10.180
Guess what, James? The funny thing is
00:54:10.180 --> 00:54:13.383
-- not funny as in "ha-ha" funny,
but funny thing --
00:54:13.383 --> 00:54:15.969
is, those people who have done it the most
00:54:15.969 --> 00:54:19.917
happen to be the ones who pose
in the pseudo-alternative media,
00:54:19.917 --> 00:54:21.404
not even mainstream media!
00:54:21.404 --> 00:54:23.832
The former CIA analyst saying,
00:54:23.832 --> 00:54:28.227
"Yeah, blah-blah-blah, and it was
blowback,"
00:54:28.227 --> 00:54:30.130
and they are playing the alternative.
00:54:30.130 --> 00:54:31.658
There is nothing alternative about
00:54:31.658 --> 00:54:34.112
this so-called ex-CIA analyst.
00:54:34.112 --> 00:54:37.205
Some kind of, like, anonymous
Mike Scheuer:
00:54:37.205 --> 00:54:42.165
"O(h, my goodness, such an
alternative point of view he's providing!"
00:54:42.165 --> 00:54:45.534
It is, actually, furthering the same
agenda.
00:54:45.534 --> 00:54:46.459
Or, Peter:
00:54:46.459 --> 00:54:49.421
I mean, that was one of the things
that I was just simmering
00:54:49.421 --> 00:54:52.792
with the last interview you had with
Ray McGovern.
00:54:52.792 --> 00:54:55.784
I mean, you know...
00:54:55.784 --> 00:54:56.764
and these guys,
00:54:56.764 --> 00:54:58.515
these women, Samantha and these bad people
00:54:58.515 --> 00:55:00.320
are making Obama do it...
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:02.282
and making Obama do it:
00:55:02.282 --> 00:55:03.279
it's like, OK:
00:55:03.279 --> 00:55:05.083
I understand you campaigned for Obama, OK?
00:55:05.083 --> 00:55:07.504
Second time, not the first time.
[laughter]
00:55:07.504 --> 00:55:11.175
Because the first time, everybody
was fucked up and stupid, OK?
00:55:11.175 --> 00:55:12.441
Second time, all right?
00:55:12.441 --> 00:55:13.939
Fool me twice and shame on me:
00:55:13.939 --> 00:55:15.618
it's like shame on me a billion times?
00:55:15.618 --> 00:55:18.346
It never was, "They made Bush do it."
00:55:18.346 --> 00:55:20.065
"Bush did it."
00:55:20.065 --> 00:55:21.238
"It was the Bush and Cheney..."
00:55:21.238 --> 00:55:24.647
"these two were the entire face
of the Deep State."
00:55:24.647 --> 00:55:26.580
"They were the forefront and did it."
00:55:26.580 --> 00:55:29.343
To this day, this junk is coming out,
00:55:29.343 --> 00:55:31.074
and that really pisses me off, Peter.
00:55:31.074 --> 00:55:33.884
That's why I cannot respect,
00:55:33.884 --> 00:55:35.338
I cannot promote this man.
00:55:35.338 --> 00:55:39.024
He said... just, "They make Obama,"
00:55:39.024 --> 00:55:41.341
"and then they pressured Obama
to do that,"
00:55:41.341 --> 00:55:44.516
"and those crazies..." OK?
00:55:44.516 --> 00:55:46.410
"They made Obama do this,"
00:55:46.410 --> 00:55:48.078
"because he's such a great man,"
00:55:48.078 --> 00:55:48.933
"he's such a nice man;"
00:55:48.933 --> 00:55:51.173
"and then it blew up, and blowback."
00:55:51.173 --> 00:55:52.584
I mean, I'm listening,
00:55:52.584 --> 00:55:54.518
and I'm trying to say,
00:55:54.518 --> 00:55:56.126
I'm trying to find a way
00:55:56.126 --> 00:55:58.902
to not say it in an insulting way,
00:55:58.902 --> 00:56:02.392
saying, "Maybe it's the senility."
Woo-doo-woo-doo-woo-doo. OK?
00:56:02.392 --> 00:56:03.844
Either you are that,
00:56:03.844 --> 00:56:07.920
or you are one really nasty,
nasty hypocrite
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:11.866
that is not shameful for one second:
00:56:11.866 --> 00:56:13.968
because, put it in context:
00:56:13.968 --> 00:56:15.506
"They made Obama do it."
00:56:15.506 --> 00:56:18.544
I mean, this is what happens
00:56:18.544 --> 00:56:21.258
in these pseudo-alternative media outlets.
00:56:21.258 --> 00:56:23.269
They turn it into, make it into
00:56:23.269 --> 00:56:24.694
some puppets in the forefront;
00:56:24.694 --> 00:56:26.412
not the Operation Gladio B,
00:56:26.412 --> 00:56:27.685
ot the Deep State.
00:56:27.685 --> 00:56:29.559
They make it about personalities;
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:31.657
they make it about parties,
00:56:31.657 --> 00:56:32.602
the war parties:
00:56:32.602 --> 00:56:34.744
oh, yeah: that's about the Republicans,
00:56:34.744 --> 00:56:36.041
the neocons, right? W
00:56:36.041 --> 00:56:37.316
ell, the neocons did this,
00:56:37.316 --> 00:56:39.016
the neoliberals are doing that,
00:56:39.016 --> 00:56:42.214
and taking away from the real context,
00:56:42.214 --> 00:56:43.465
from the real frame.
00:56:43.465 --> 00:56:48.198
And anyhow, that's just my two cents,
00:56:48.198 --> 00:56:50.475
and there is no such a thing
as blowback, OK?
00:56:50.475 --> 00:56:51.450
In this case.
00:56:51.450 --> 00:56:53.632
When we are looking at our perpetual wars,
00:56:53.632 --> 00:56:55.409
what is happening today...
00:56:55.409 --> 00:56:56.904
[holds up book: Nemesis: The Last Days of
the American Republic by Chalmers Johnson]
00:56:56.904 --> 00:56:57.804
Who's that?
00:56:57.804 --> 00:57:00.957
This is part of the Blowback trilogy
00:57:00.957 --> 00:57:04.597
that was written by the late Professor
Chalmers Johnson.
00:57:04.597 --> 00:57:05.477
Yes.
00:57:05.477 --> 00:57:07.627
And I interviewed him many times,
00:57:07.627 --> 00:57:09.159
and I have respect for him.
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:12.329
And his definition of the term "blowback"
00:57:12.329 --> 00:57:15.153
is a little more narrow than the way
you're using it.
00:57:15.153 --> 00:57:20.337
And it is the unexpected or
unintended result
00:57:20.337 --> 00:57:23.054
of covert operations.
00:57:23.054 --> 00:57:24.747
So, I take your point
00:57:24.747 --> 00:57:28.265
that many of the divide-and-conquer
strategies
00:57:28.265 --> 00:57:30.455
that are in play today
00:57:30.455 --> 00:57:32.281
are not accidental,
00:57:32.281 --> 00:57:33.993
they are intended,
00:57:33.993 --> 00:57:36.592
and they don't qualify for the term
"blowback."
00:57:36.592 --> 00:57:41.659
But I also believe that there are huge
American policy blunders
00:57:41.659 --> 00:57:43.116
like the ones I cited
00:57:43.116 --> 00:57:46.916
that have produced the consequences today.
00:57:46.916 --> 00:57:50.658
And the comparison I would use
00:57:50.658 --> 00:57:52.552
is the movies Hunger Games
00:57:52.552 --> 00:57:54.321
and the books that have been written.
00:57:54.321 --> 00:57:57.474
And the image of The Hunger Games
00:57:57.474 --> 00:58:00.408
is this virtual reality zone
00:58:00.408 --> 00:58:03.001
that is controlled from master control,
00:58:03.001 --> 00:58:08.908
and they can change the arid desert
to a flooding river
00:58:08.908 --> 00:58:11.293
just by flipping a switch.
00:58:11.293 --> 00:58:13.154
And I don't believe that...
00:58:13.154 --> 00:58:15.237
while I believe the US aspires
00:58:15.237 --> 00:58:20.129
to the level of control that is depicted
in the fictional Hunger Games,
00:58:20.129 --> 00:58:22.908
I don't think we have achieved it.
00:58:22.908 --> 00:58:27.099
So that's where I parse things
a little bit differently;
00:58:27.099 --> 00:58:29.974
but I don't dispute your basic
notion, Sibel,
00:58:29.974 --> 00:58:32.844
that much of what is occurring
00:58:32.844 --> 00:58:36.079
and much of what the US will say,
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:37.681
"Aw, shucks, we blew it!"
00:58:37.681 --> 00:58:40.243
"Oh, we didn't expect that to happen!"
00:58:40.243 --> 00:58:42.911
"Oh, somebody miscalculated!"
00:58:42.911 --> 00:58:45.689
A lot of that is bullshit
00:58:45.689 --> 00:58:47.557
that is intended to obscure
00:58:47.557 --> 00:58:51.937
intentional programs and operations
00:58:51.937 --> 00:58:55.966
that are in motion, even as we speak.
00:58:55.966 --> 00:58:59.745
So I don't have a deep disagreement
with you,
00:58:59.745 --> 00:59:03.391
except I do believe that there are
some instances
00:59:03.391 --> 00:59:06.513
of blowback from policy blunders,
00:59:06.513 --> 00:59:08.702
some of which were covert,
00:59:08.702 --> 00:59:11.337
that fit the original definition
00:59:11.337 --> 00:59:13.640
coined by Professor Johnson.
00:59:13.640 --> 00:59:15.937
No, and I get your point, and I
agree with you.
00:59:15.937 --> 00:59:17.891
And I am not applying this to everything.
00:59:17.891 --> 00:59:21.958
I am applying this narrowly to
everything that is related
00:59:21.958 --> 00:59:23.390
-- almost everything --
00:59:23.390 --> 00:59:24.775
in the Middle East, in terror,
00:59:24.775 --> 00:59:25.929
al-Qaeda, and everything.
00:59:25.929 --> 00:59:30.448
The only honest policy paper that
I have ever seen, OK?
00:59:30.448 --> 00:59:33.703
Period: the most honest one, is PNAC.
00:59:33.703 --> 00:59:36.462
What was written for Project for a
New American Century.
00:59:36.462 --> 00:59:38.283
I mean, if everyone...
00:59:38.283 --> 00:59:41.022
they did all of it like this, so overt,
00:59:41.022 --> 00:59:42.547
and so open and clear...
00:59:42.547 --> 00:59:45.936
because there, it had nothing to do
00:59:45.936 --> 00:59:47.412
with beating around the bushes.
00:59:47.412 --> 00:59:48.899
They were very clear.
00:59:48.899 --> 00:59:52.989
They said, "Our goal is this: imperialism,
OK?
00:59:52.989 --> 00:59:56.288
"Soviet Union is gone, we have to be
the world power."
00:59:56.288 --> 00:59:58.851
Just, I'm summing it up, simplifying it.
00:59:58.851 --> 01:00:03.621
"And, to achieve it, we've gotta have
something huge happening here,"
01:00:03.621 --> 01:00:05.492
"thousands of people dying,"
01:00:05.492 --> 01:00:08.615
"so the stupid majority will line up
behind us,"
01:00:08.615 --> 01:00:10.373
"achieve it for us, and make it possible."
01:00:10.373 --> 01:00:12.116
I love that.
01:00:12.116 --> 01:00:14.378
I mean, I love the honesty of that paper.
01:00:14.378 --> 01:00:17.560
And that is the reality.
01:00:17.560 --> 01:00:19.883
And the interesting thing is,
01:00:19.883 --> 01:00:22.817
you never hear people talking about that
01:00:22.817 --> 01:00:25.336
-- PNAC, OK? And that way,
01:00:25.336 --> 01:00:27.811
in CNN or on NPR or on Salon,
01:00:27.811 --> 01:00:30.532
they like to get those things
mumbo-jumbos,
01:00:30.532 --> 01:00:31.974
you've got pages and pages
01:00:31.974 --> 01:00:33.603
of some policy nobody understands.
01:00:33.603 --> 01:00:34.661
There people
01:00:34.661 --> 01:00:38.956
-- and these were the real, powerful
policy-makers in the policy arena --
01:00:38.956 --> 01:00:40.638
they made it very clear:
01:00:40.638 --> 01:00:41.612
I love it.
01:00:41.612 --> 01:00:43.893
You put it like that, and everybody
understands.
01:00:43.893 --> 01:00:46.772
But the mainstream media doesn't
have an appetite for that, OK?
01:00:46.772 --> 01:00:49.179
You read that, it's very clear, OK?
01:00:49.179 --> 01:00:52.220
"This is our policy, this is our modus
operandi."
01:00:52.220 --> 01:00:54.085
"We want to be the world power."
01:00:54.085 --> 01:00:58.188
Who's "we?" Is that you, or me,
or Guillermo?
01:00:58.188 --> 01:01:01.677
Or is it the teacher who's working in
a high school?
01:01:01.677 --> 01:01:04.249
Is it 97 percent of Americans?
01:01:04.249 --> 01:01:07.330
No. By "we," they mean the Deep State.
01:01:07.330 --> 01:01:08.532
They mean the fat cats.
01:01:08.532 --> 01:01:10.567
They mean the military-industrial complex.
01:01:10.567 --> 01:01:14.271
"We want to be the superpower, OK?"
01:01:14.271 --> 01:01:16.433
"Colonize the world: take the most..."
01:01:16.433 --> 01:01:18.448
"not leave anything for China, Russia:"
01:01:18.448 --> 01:01:19.725
"we want to get everything."
01:01:19.725 --> 01:01:20.955
"In order for it to happen,"
01:01:20.955 --> 01:01:24.956
"we have to sacrifice 3,000, 5,000,
10,000, whatever here"
01:01:24.956 --> 01:01:28.525
"-- and we'll do it. Because ends justify
the means."
01:01:28.525 --> 01:01:32.763
For who? For those one-half a percent.
or 0.1 percent.
01:01:32.763 --> 01:01:36.443
Very clear, very to-the-point,
very honest.
01:01:36.443 --> 01:01:38.862
I wish they'd make more policies
like that,
01:01:38.862 --> 01:01:40.188
and they talked about it like that.
01:01:40.188 --> 01:01:42.090
Then we wouldn't even have anybody
01:01:42.090 --> 01:01:43.384
coming on these issues
01:01:43.384 --> 01:01:44.895
and make up things about,
01:01:44.895 --> 01:01:46.574
"Well, as a former CIA analyst,"
01:01:46.574 --> 01:01:50.036
"I must say that we really messed
that one up,"
01:01:50.036 --> 01:01:52.177
"and it blew up in our face,"
01:01:52.177 --> 01:01:54.011
"and we had a blowback, man."
01:01:54.011 --> 01:01:55.971
You know, we did it in Afghanistan,
da-da-da-da-da.
01:01:55.971 --> 01:01:58.039
Just like PNAC, put it out there:
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:01.389
and there is no room there for
second-guessing,
01:02:01.389 --> 01:02:02.436
and saying maybe it didn't,
01:02:02.436 --> 01:02:05.257
you know, they didn't mean that
it happened as a result:
01:02:05.257 --> 01:02:06.704
it's out there for everyone to see.
01:02:06.704 --> 01:02:12.228
And that is, that is the main premise
behind our...
01:02:12.228 --> 01:02:14.648
all our foreign policies.
01:02:14.648 --> 01:02:16.233
All our foreign policies
01:02:16.233 --> 01:02:17.469
are based on that notion.
01:02:17.469 --> 01:02:18.683
It's a power game, OK?
01:02:18.683 --> 01:02:20.255
And again, it's not power
01:02:20.255 --> 01:02:22.206
for the people of any of these nations;
01:02:22.206 --> 01:02:23.839
it's the power game,
01:02:23.839 --> 01:02:25.252
and it's the power for the Deep State,
01:02:25.252 --> 01:02:27.985
saying "How we want to maintain
our power,"
01:02:27.985 --> 01:02:30.596
"how we want to stay big and get bigger."
01:02:30.596 --> 01:02:32.056
It has nothing to do with the people,
01:02:32.056 --> 01:02:33.583
it has nothing to do with you and I.
01:02:33.583 --> 01:02:35.917
Has nothing to do with 99 percent
of the Americans,
01:02:35.917 --> 01:02:38.884
and the lives of 99 percent of Americans
01:02:38.884 --> 01:02:40.606
doesn't mean a lick for those people.
01:02:40.606 --> 01:02:42.892
If they... when they get...
01:02:42.892 --> 01:02:46.484
if they feel the need that they
would do something
01:02:46.484 --> 01:02:50.531
that would kill, not 3,000, 500,000
Americans?
01:02:50.531 --> 01:02:52.602
They would do it in a second.
01:02:52.602 --> 01:02:55.170
They would do it in a second, you know?
01:02:55.170 --> 01:02:59.145
There's that country song by
Randy Travis, "Ants on a Log,"
01:02:59.145 --> 01:03:02.542
and I'm saying, it'd be like,
"Ants on a log."
01:03:02.542 --> 01:03:04.362
And if you listen to it,
01:03:04.362 --> 01:03:07.959
even though it's a cliche,
country music rhyming,
01:03:07.959 --> 01:03:11.455
when you have ants, the
colonies out there,
01:03:11.455 --> 01:03:14.686
I don't think they even know that
humans exist.
01:03:14.686 --> 01:03:16.287
They can't look up and see that.
01:03:16.287 --> 01:03:18.800
They are busy in their own lives,
01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:21.189
and suddenly some foot comes
on top of them
01:03:21.189 --> 01:03:22.146
-- right, the shoes?
01:03:22.146 --> 01:03:23.328
Bam! They are gone.
01:03:23.328 --> 01:03:25.027
They don't even know: something
big hit them. OK?
01:03:25.027 --> 01:03:27.784
Who knows how they are interpreting
01:03:27.784 --> 01:03:30.214
of what killed half of their colony,
01:03:30.214 --> 01:03:32.068
that it was something called "human?"
01:03:32.068 --> 01:03:34.717
Because they can't really see us, OK?
01:03:34.717 --> 01:03:39.253
This is how it is with the Deep State
and the people, OK?
01:03:39.253 --> 01:03:42.695
The people: 99.999 percent of the people.
01:03:42.695 --> 01:03:44.175
And that's the situation.
01:03:44.175 --> 01:03:49.288
Sibel, you've once again demonstrated
your skill with languages,
01:03:49.288 --> 01:03:52.011
because I don't speak country
music. [laughter]
01:03:52.011 --> 01:03:56.766
But I do want to comment:
01:03:56.766 --> 01:03:59.726
I do understand your frustration
01:03:59.726 --> 01:04:01.271
with people like Ray McGovern.
01:04:01.271 --> 01:04:06.653
My view is that because he served
in the CIA
01:04:06.653 --> 01:04:12.056
and because he's willing to criticize
the agency that he once worked for
01:04:12.056 --> 01:04:15.415
and some of our government policies,
01:04:15.415 --> 01:04:18.237
that he has a legitimate point of view.
01:04:18.237 --> 01:04:22.178
And I do think that he has added
some elements;
01:04:22.178 --> 01:04:24.895
and I also think that in the recent
interview,
01:04:24.895 --> 01:04:31.797
the focus there was on the victory
that he won over the State Department
01:04:31.797 --> 01:04:37.285
when they brutally ejected him from
a speech
01:04:37.285 --> 01:04:39.811
that Hillary Clinton was giving about
human rights.
01:04:39.811 --> 01:04:43.921
And he basically was able
01:04:43.921 --> 01:04:45.375
to successfully sue them
01:04:45.375 --> 01:04:47.396
and get his name removed
01:04:47.396 --> 01:04:49.646
from a "Be on the Lookout" list.
01:04:49.646 --> 01:04:52.590
And I think that is worth reporting
01:04:52.590 --> 01:04:54.544
and getting his comments on.
01:04:54.544 --> 01:04:56.584
And I posted it, and I do not...
01:04:56.584 --> 01:04:58.745
I don't disagree with you.
01:04:58.745 --> 01:05:01.002
I think everybody is entitled
01:05:01.002 --> 01:05:02.436
of having their opinion.
01:05:02.436 --> 01:05:04.956
Now, on the other hand, to say it's
legitimate or not,
01:05:04.956 --> 01:05:07.268
that is up to interpretation.
01:05:07.268 --> 01:05:10.981
I do not find many of his opinions
legitimate,
01:05:10.981 --> 01:05:11.977
but that's me.
01:05:11.977 --> 01:05:13.415
And it's a subjective thing
01:05:13.415 --> 01:05:16.093
based on what I see and how I see it.
01:05:16.093 --> 01:05:18.034
So I would say, absolutely,
01:05:18.034 --> 01:05:19.550
he's entitled of his opinion.
01:05:19.550 --> 01:05:22.842
And one of the things that I have tried
to do with Boiling Frogs Post,
01:05:22.842 --> 01:05:24.909
even the things that I disagree
01:05:24.909 --> 01:05:27.837
-- it makes me gag: you know,
not a government gag. [laughter]
01:05:27.837 --> 01:05:28.775
I really want to puke
01:05:28.775 --> 01:05:30.133
-- because... aarrgh!
01:05:30.133 --> 01:05:32.187
That's the reaction it gets out of me:
01:05:32.187 --> 01:05:33.368
I publish it.
01:05:33.368 --> 01:05:34.197
You know why?
01:05:34.197 --> 01:05:35.611
Because there are people, Peter,
01:05:35.611 --> 01:05:36.966
who agree with that;
01:05:36.966 --> 01:05:38.268
or they like that;
01:05:38.268 --> 01:05:40.784
or they think that is sound.
01:05:40.784 --> 01:05:42.854
And they find it legitimate,
01:05:42.854 --> 01:05:44.207
and that is perfectly fine.
01:05:44.207 --> 01:05:46.235
And I want to provide that forum
01:05:46.235 --> 01:05:47.321
where we have all those.
01:05:47.321 --> 01:05:49.213
But personally, yes:
01:05:49.213 --> 01:05:51.579
absolutely, he's entitled to his opinion.
01:05:51.579 --> 01:05:54.072
I don't there's anything legitimate
01:05:54.072 --> 01:05:56.228
about Ray McGovern's opinion.
01:05:56.228 --> 01:05:58.526
I don't think he's respect-worthy.
01:05:58.526 --> 01:06:00.164
I would not disrespect him,
01:06:00.164 --> 01:06:01.683
but I would never give him respect,
01:06:01.683 --> 01:06:04.062
especially after what he did.
01:06:04.062 --> 01:06:07.595
And that is, again, the machine-intended
stuff.
01:06:07.595 --> 01:06:09.246
[raises hand]
01:06:09.246 --> 01:06:10.155
[laughs] Go ahead, James.
01:06:10.155 --> 01:06:10.975
OK, thank you.
01:06:10.975 --> 01:06:12.680
There is an extremely important point
there
01:06:12.680 --> 01:06:15.137
that I think we should make the focus
of our next conversation,
01:06:15.137 --> 01:06:17.173
because it would be extremely interesting
01:06:17.173 --> 01:06:18.894
to bring it up with you specifically,
Sibel...
01:06:18.894 --> 01:06:19.842
[claps hands] Yay!
01:06:19.842 --> 01:06:20.853
Which is my take on this:
01:06:20.853 --> 01:06:22.253
I am more and more,
01:06:22.253 --> 01:06:23.426
increasingly, of the opinion
01:06:23.426 --> 01:06:25.898
that anyone who is stupid enough
to sign up
01:06:25.898 --> 01:06:28.451
for an admittedly disgusting, horrific,
01:06:28.451 --> 01:06:32.300
atrocious organization like the CIA
in the first place
01:06:32.300 --> 01:06:34.846
was either stupid at the time
01:06:34.846 --> 01:06:37.029
or is lying now
01:06:37.029 --> 01:06:38.840
about not being working for
that organization.
01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:40.159
Signing up!
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:41.991
But we are talking to someone
who signed up for the FBI,
01:06:41.991 --> 01:06:46.117
which was a disgusting, corrupt
institution since the very founding,
01:06:46.117 --> 01:06:46.865
[laughter] so...
01:06:46.865 --> 01:06:48.162
No, but that's absolutely true:
01:06:48.162 --> 01:06:50.372
and I have done it in Classified Woman.
01:06:50.372 --> 01:06:55.881
I said, "Doing that just proves so
much stupidity and being naive."
01:06:55.881 --> 01:06:57.511
It's absolutely true.
01:06:57.511 --> 01:06:58.677
Because, look:
01:06:58.677 --> 01:07:00.123
I'll tell you about the...
01:07:00.123 --> 01:07:03.442
when you go and they give you this paper
01:07:03.442 --> 01:07:05.615
-- and you're signing at least
40 papers --
01:07:05.615 --> 01:07:08.558
and the laws themselves are not cited, OK?
01:07:08.558 --> 01:07:11.556
There are some numbers.
You are signing that,
01:07:11.556 --> 01:07:15.366
"Based on 509732, you're not gonna
write a non-fiction without us..."
01:07:15.366 --> 01:07:20.421
I signed those papers.
01:07:20.421 --> 01:07:22.699
The eye-opener, the waking up:
01:07:22.699 --> 01:07:25.185
absolutely. I absolutely agree.
01:07:25.185 --> 01:07:27.510
I mean, I consider myself
01:07:27.510 --> 01:07:31.251
completely ignorant, completely naive
01:07:31.251 --> 01:07:33.212
-- completely naive --
01:07:33.212 --> 01:07:35.108
uninformed, stupid,
01:07:35.108 --> 01:07:38.593
for actually signing up.
01:07:38.593 --> 01:07:42.285
I was offered jobs with the CIA
several times
01:07:42.285 --> 01:07:43.579
during my university years.
01:07:43.579 --> 01:07:45.900
I would have never even looked at
the organization.
01:07:45.900 --> 01:07:48.774
FBI and CIA, very different, OK?
01:07:48.774 --> 01:07:50.555
Police state FBI?
01:07:50.555 --> 01:07:52.985
I'm not saying I highly regard FBI at all,
01:07:52.985 --> 01:07:55.608
but you're looking at two different
breeds of...
01:07:55.608 --> 01:07:57.570
and even within the CIA,
01:07:57.570 --> 01:07:59.522
as despicable as it is,
01:07:59.522 --> 01:08:01.882
there are a hierarchy of despicability.
01:08:01.882 --> 01:08:04.408
There is a degree of it,
01:08:04.408 --> 01:08:08.210
operatives being the most
despicable, disgusting, OK?
01:08:08.210 --> 01:08:10.138
Serial killers.
01:08:10.138 --> 01:08:13.369
And then you have the administrative
analysts,
01:08:13.369 --> 01:08:14.522
and the secretaries,
01:08:14.522 --> 01:08:17.404
and the bureaucrats: you know,
maybe they are naive.
01:08:17.404 --> 01:08:18.483
I mean, that's...
01:08:18.483 --> 01:08:21.777
so you cannot even put them
in the same basket
01:08:21.777 --> 01:08:23.069
saying everybody is [xx].
01:08:23.069 --> 01:08:25.845
There are different degrees
of despicability.
01:08:25.845 --> 01:08:27.689
And I agree with that:
01:08:27.689 --> 01:08:29.372
I completely agree with that.
01:08:29.372 --> 01:08:33.239
If my daughter ever, ever comes to me
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:35.068
and says, "Mom, I'd consider..."
01:08:35.068 --> 01:08:37.106
when she's 23, "I have two or
three languages:"
01:08:37.106 --> 01:08:39.972
I would do everything in my power...
01:08:39.972 --> 01:08:41.118
which, she won't:
01:08:41.118 --> 01:08:42.402
because I'm already doing it with
her. [laughter]
01:08:42.402 --> 01:08:45.019
But, I agree: and anybody who does,
01:08:45.019 --> 01:08:47.399
and anybody who signs their
First Amendment rights
01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:49.650
and works for the police state,
01:08:49.650 --> 01:08:53.141
they do it, you know, economic
reasons or whatever:
01:08:53.141 --> 01:08:54.644
I mean, still,
01:08:54.644 --> 01:08:55.779
they have to be stupid to do that.
01:08:55.779 --> 01:08:57.082
And I was, absolutely, stupid:
01:08:57.082 --> 01:08:58.358
I will be the first to say that.
01:08:58.358 --> 01:08:59.904
But I wouldn't go and play and say,
01:08:59.904 --> 01:09:02.130
"Well, there are some really good
people in the FBI..."
01:09:02.130 --> 01:09:03.625
no: it's a very stupid thing to do.
01:09:03.625 --> 01:09:04.976
All right, Guillermo?
01:09:04.976 --> 01:09:06.404
And I would add, what's worse than that:
01:09:06.404 --> 01:09:09.011
what's worse than someone
01:09:09.011 --> 01:09:10.330
like a McGovern or anyone else
01:09:10.330 --> 01:09:11.929
who may have worked for the CIA
01:09:11.929 --> 01:09:13.824
and now criticizes it,
01:09:13.824 --> 01:09:16.823
what's worse than that is the
former CIA spy
01:09:16.823 --> 01:09:19.469
who worked for, willingly worked for,
01:09:19.469 --> 01:09:23.473
the CIA, NSA, DIA, so on and so forth,
01:09:23.473 --> 01:09:24.861
and then says,
01:09:24.861 --> 01:09:26.062
"Hey, they're great."
01:09:26.062 --> 01:09:27.978
"They do good work."
01:09:27.978 --> 01:09:29.782
"We should not bother with..."
01:09:29.782 --> 01:09:31.005
Who are you talking about, Guillermo?
01:09:31.005 --> 01:09:31.882
Oh, I dunno.
01:09:31.882 --> 01:09:32.636
Who?
01:09:32.636 --> 01:09:34.259
Just, you know, anyone. Not anyone in
particular. [laughter] But, you know...
01:09:34.259 --> 01:09:37.289
CIA, ex-CIA, NSA contractor?
01:09:37.289 --> 01:09:39.622
I can't think of any off the top
of my head...
01:09:39.622 --> 01:09:40.599
oh, wait: there's one.
01:09:40.599 --> 01:09:42.758
Well, ladies and gents...
01:09:42.758 --> 01:09:43.622
At least one.
01:09:43.622 --> 01:09:45.070
I think we have a good start
01:09:45.070 --> 01:09:47.689
on our next Boiling Frogs Post Roundtable.
01:09:47.689 --> 01:09:49.422
I certainly enjoyed this one.
01:09:49.422 --> 01:09:51.824
I want to thank Guillermo, James, Sibel.
01:09:51.824 --> 01:09:55.532
And I remain Peter B. Collins.
Thanks for viewing.
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