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Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.58,0:00:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ applause ]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.90,0:00:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Julia Keller:]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.01,0:00:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To read a novel by Umberto Eco\Nis to enter an enchanted forest -
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.40,0:00:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a symbol-drenched, passion-drowned forest\Nthat's alive with murmurings,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.83,0:00:20.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,heavy with history\Nand glittering with myth.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.12,0:00:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He writes of mad monks\Nand museums of technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.02,0:00:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, in his latest book,\Nof night-shrouded cemeteries
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.28,0:00:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are filled with\Nquivering, iniquitous souls.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.81,0:00:36.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He writes about things we all recognize -\Nlust and greed and love - curiosity, envy.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.95,0:00:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His books may dazzle us\Nwith their erudition
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.10,0:00:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they also are entertainments -\Nthey're beguiling.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.06,0:00:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, if you're here today,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.52,0:00:48.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you already know all of this\Nthat I've just said, but,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.11,0:00:49.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hope that after today's session
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.72,0:00:52.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're going to know him\Nquite a bit better.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.40,0:00:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's my great honor and privilege\Nto ask you to join me
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.04,0:00:59.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in welcoming to Chicago,\NProfessor Umberto Eco.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.05,0:01:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ applause ]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.38,0:01:24.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Professor, your new novel is, I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.08,0:01:26.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one that contains things\Nthat we all recognize.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.17,0:01:30.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's seemingly set in the 19th century,\Nbut, {\i1}The Prague Cemetery{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.21,0:01:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of course, has things that sound\Neerily contemporaneous.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.66,0:01:41.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are all kinds of conspiracies\Nand cabals and plots
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.97,0:01:43.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are hatching all over the place.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.79,0:01:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, my question for you is -
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.50,0:01:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how in the world did you know\Nthis would be happening now?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.66,0:01:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ rumble of laughter ]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.40,0:01:56.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Umberto Eco:] If I wrote this novel,\Nit was exactly because I believed that
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.51,0:02:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can happen and will happen now\Nand in the future.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.03,0:02:07.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, when writing,\Neven though I made a lot of research
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.84,0:02:14.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to dive practically into the 19th century\Nand to live in that era,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.08,0:02:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was continuously aware that\NI was telling about something around me,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.92,0:02:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was always thinking of\Nsomebody I know.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.95,0:02:31.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, I would like that my reader\Nused this novel as a guide -
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.38,0:02:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a {\i1}Baedeker{\i0} to go around to say -
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.90,0:02:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh look, one Simonini!\NLook, one Simonini! Look, one Simonini!"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.90,0:02:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can do it in Italy, but you,\NI think that you can do it also
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.80,0:02:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Chicago, or in Washington,\Nor in Paris or...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.36,0:02:56.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because then the...\Nwell, I have written largely on
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.80,0:03:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the function that forgeries have had\Nin the human history.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.12,0:03:06.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's from the beginning.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.39,0:03:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes even they had\Na positive function.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.05,0:03:14.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance,\Ninventing marvelous kingdoms
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.55,0:03:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people went to explore the world\Nin order to find them -
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.35,0:03:21.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the El Dorado myth and so on\Nand so forth.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.61,0:03:24.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, sometimes having terrible effects,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.86,0:03:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as in the case of\N{\i1}The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.56,0:03:32.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I think that the...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.62,0:03:37.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyday activity of many [...],
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.83,0:03:41.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,journalists, newspapers is\Nto produce a fake dossier -
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.63,0:03:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ sporadic laughter ]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.13,0:03:48.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to give fake news.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.60,0:03:52.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, being interested in\Nthe problem of languages -
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.15,0:03:57.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am a semiotician, so I am interested in\Nvarious forms of communication -
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.63,0:04:03.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was interested in lying because\Nit's a typical human activity.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.55,0:04:04.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ laughter ]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.95,0:04:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, a dog tells always the truth.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.90,0:04:12.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When a dog barks means that\Nthere is somebody outside.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.39,0:04:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have never seen a dog who barks\Nin order to cheat me
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.39,0:04:20.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to say that there was\Nsomeone outside... no. [ to laughter ]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.07,0:04:23.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, a dog is unable to lie.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.11,0:04:27.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We lie continuously even in everyday life:\N"Oh, nice to see you."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.62,0:04:28.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ laughter ]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.98,0:04:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very polite,\Nit's a very polite lie, okay?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.99,0:04:39.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You look very well today" -\Nwe are lying for more reasons
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.19,0:04:45.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are lying for terrible...\Nso that the human life is...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.08,0:04:54.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,completely filled up with lies\Nand fake news and so and so forth.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.45,0:04:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's my... the story of my Simonini\Nwas obviously an exceptional liar -
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.30,0:05:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a professional liar.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.24,0:05:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Keller:] Right. Maybe just as a...\Nfor those of you...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.81,0:05:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}The Prague Cemetery{\i0} is about,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.53,0:05:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you want to just give it maybe\Na brief synopsis,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.18,0:05:13.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about this character in the 19th century\Nwho really in effect winds the clocks
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.82,0:05:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all the great conspiracies\Nfrom the 19th century,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.93,0:05:20.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including that great forgery\N{\i1}The Protocols of the Elders of Zion{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.52,0:05:22.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other forgeries.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.48,0:05:25.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, all the bad things that happen\Nin the world in the 19th century
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.63,0:05:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could be at this character's feet.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.40,0:05:30.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, a great part of the novel\Nis his diary
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.02,0:05:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and his musings on\Nwhat he's doing and why,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.60,0:05:38.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including the great Latin phrase -\N"{\i1}odi ergo sum{\i0} - I hate therefore I am."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.53,0:05:40.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ laughter ]
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.83,0:05:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, that's one of the phrases that\Nstruck me in thinking:
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.01,0:05:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Boy that sounds so much\Nlike what we hear today."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.37,0:05:48.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We hear a lot of the motivations for the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.54,0:05:52.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some the terrible events\Nthat are now rocking the world
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.41,0:06:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, all the other terrible activities\Nthat we think are so new
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.13,0:06:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so unprecedented, of course,\Nhave their origin many many centuries ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.04,0:06:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, your other novels too,\Nof course, deal with conspiracies
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.76,0:06:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the tendency of human beings to
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.62,0:06:13.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not live up to our potential\Nas moral beings.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.09,0:06:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eco:] Yes, well, at least one -\Nthe {\i1}Foucault's Pendulum{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.17,0:06:21.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, it was in a way different
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.31,0:06:27.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it was on the paranoia\Nof the universal conspiracy.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.55,0:06:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it was a grotesque representation\Nof people who believe
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.80,0:06:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or pretend to believe in\Na general conspiracy.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.35,0:06:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this case, Simonini makes\Nreal conspiracies.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.81,0:06:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to make\Na very sharp distinction between
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.77,0:06:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a conspiracy and the paranoia of\Nthe word "conspiracy."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.43,0:06:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conspiracies exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.41,0:07:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In order to kill Julius Caesar,\Nthey made a conspiracy.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.43,0:07:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was discovered the day after -\Nor on the same day.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.83,0:07:11.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Catiline was making a conspiracy,\NCicero denounced it in the Senate
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.21,0:07:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the conspiracy\Nwas probably in this moment
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.46,0:07:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Rome as in Washington\Nwhere people are making conspiracies,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.72,0:07:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know... to conquer a bank,\Nto change a minister.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.74,0:07:28.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, the paranoia of general conspiracy -\Nthe word "conspiracy" - is
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.45,0:07:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is somebody\Nand we don't know which one,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.28,0:07:38.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who - in the world -\Nis trying to organize everything
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.14,0:07:43.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a sort of a cult power\Nwho has all the responsibility -
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.47,0:07:45.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are not responsible.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.33,0:07:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why all the dictators\Nused the idea of a general conspiracy
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.83,0:07:56.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to not be criticized,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.57,0:08:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to keep their people united\Nagainst somebody... somebody.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.44,0:08:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, I, as a young boy,\Nhaving been born in '32,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.54,0:08:11.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, for the first 10 years of my life\Nwere under the fascist education.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.50,0:08:18.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was educated to hate the conspiracy\Nof the demo-pluto-Judeo democracies.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.78,0:08:24.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Democracy, plutocracy - the rich persons -\Nand the Jews.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.87,0:08:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was the world conspiracy.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.60,0:08:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, well, we are celebrating...~\Nwe were celebrating yesterday in Italy
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.06,0:08:46.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a portentous event,\Nby which I read in the newspaper
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.30,0:08:52.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people in the street\Nwere singing Handel's "Hallelujah."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.82,0:08:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ sings ] Hal-le-lu-jah!
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.03,0:09:13.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he was continuously saying: \N"they are there, there they are
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.02,0:09:16.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"menacing not only me,\Nbut you Italian."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.81,0:09:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you have to invent the conspiracy.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.94,0:09:26.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Jewish conspiracy was\Non the great element of this paranoia,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.37,0:09:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only in the 19th century,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.34,0:09:34.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but one of the documents\Nwere the "Protocols."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.37,0:09:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they were certainly born\Nin the second half of the 19th century.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.13,0:09:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were, I say "certainly"\Nbecause the only technical proof we have
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.64,0:09:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that they were published\Nin Russia in 1905.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.52,0:09:57.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But all the concoction\Nlasted for some decades,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.22,0:10:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's say, from 1860, 1850 \Nuntil the end of the century.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.32,0:10:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This uncertainty about the concoction
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.06,0:10:15.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allowed me to invent\Na fictional story about...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.02,0:10:19.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could attribute to Simonini many deeds
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.63,0:10:22.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were certainly accomplished\Nby somebody else,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.78,0:10:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we don't, we do never know\Nexactly who they were...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.80,0:10:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there were many,\Nmany hands at work.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.32,0:10:42.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It may be true.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.84,0:10:43.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to ask is,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.69,0:10:46.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have such a short time here today\Nand I wanted to mention too,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.41,0:10:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're going to be taking questions\Nfrom the audience
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.50,0:10:51.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in just a couple of minutes\Nafter we've finished talking here,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.41,0:10:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, if you would,\Nif you do have a question,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.39,0:10:55.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Professor Eco would ask\Nif you'd come down front
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.37,0:10:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so to make sure\Nhe'll be able to hear you.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.99,0:10:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if you have questions\Npercolating in the back of your mind,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.96,0:11:03.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just come forward in just a moment\Nwhen we go to a question session.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.65,0:11:08.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to mention,\Nyou love, lists, long catalogs,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.13,0:11:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,long litanies of things\Nin your books.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.65,0:11:13.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're filled with this,\Nthese beautiful long lists,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.47,0:11:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have a wonderful section--
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.26,0:11:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eco:] I have written also\Na book on lists.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.30,0:11:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Keller:] Exactly, I was saying\Nand you talked about the reasons why
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.68,0:11:24.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when you pointed that out,\NI began to think of all the books
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.57,0:11:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that do have lists in them\Nthat I hadn't really thought of.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.80,0:11:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Moby Dick" is filled with long lists\Nand Colin Harrison's "Manhattan Nocturne,"
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.10,0:11:36.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,long lists, and Tim O'Brien's story\N"The Things They Carried" -
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.85,0:11:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have such power\Nand I was curious,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.10,0:11:42.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when when did you realize that?\NWhen did the list sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.86,0:11:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make itself known to you\Nas more than a technique
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.16,0:11:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but a kind of a poetical force?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.70,0:11:50.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eco:] A long time, a long time ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.39,0:11:56.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I can tell you okay,\Nthe first, the paramount example of lists
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.100,0:12:01.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is in Homer's Iliad
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.25,0:12:05.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where is the so-called "catalog of ships."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.32,0:12:10.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What was the purpose of this list?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.36,0:12:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were too many: it is impossible\Nto name all of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.88,0:12:23.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, my mouth has not\Nenough tongues to tell of--
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.15,0:12:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a poetical topos\Nthat returns, returns many times
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.56,0:12:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the history of literature.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.08,0:12:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have not enough tongues to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.84,0:12:39.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so, the list being always incomplete,\Neven though very long,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.14,0:12:42.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,must give you the sense of infinity.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.14,0:12:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this sense, it is a beautiful resort,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.29,0:12:54.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a beautiful... literary strategy,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.30,0:12:57.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just in order to suggest infinity.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.78,0:13:04.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is very difficult to suggest infinity\Nwithout a list:
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.01,0:13:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that the only one who succeeded
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.08,0:13:09.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was Dante Alighieri\Nat the end of the "Paradise"
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.67,0:13:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when he's watching God\Nand in three tercets
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.66,0:13:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he says everything... \Nwithout making a list.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.30,0:13:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, it's a very exceptional case.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.72,0:13:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that I found first the lists\Nand I became fond of them
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.66,0:13:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I started as a medievalist\Nand by reading medieval poetry,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.32,0:13:38.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was full, it was a very...
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.92,0:13:46.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember that when I made\Nin Harvard the Norton Lectures,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.93,0:13:50.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my first idea was to make them on lists,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.71,0:13:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I abandoned the idea\Nfor many reasons.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.04,0:14:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, two years ago,\Nthe Louvre
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.07,0:14:05.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is and was organizing\Nevery year in November