1 00:00:12,940 --> 00:00:16,414 Hi, I'm Liz, and I'm an architect. 2 00:00:17,094 --> 00:00:19,484 Whenever I tell people I'm an architect, 3 00:00:19,593 --> 00:00:21,684 one of the first questions they often ask me 4 00:00:21,684 --> 00:00:25,724 is whether or not I have read or seen "The Fountainhead." 5 00:00:26,150 --> 00:00:27,880 And for those of you - 6 00:00:28,444 --> 00:00:29,879 Clearly, some of you have. 7 00:00:29,949 --> 00:00:31,897 For those of you who are familiar with it 8 00:00:31,897 --> 00:00:34,525 and have just now silently asked yourself this question, 9 00:00:34,525 --> 00:00:36,292 let me just get that out of the way. 10 00:00:36,292 --> 00:00:38,942 Yes, I have both read the book and seen the movie. 11 00:00:38,972 --> 00:00:41,382 No, I didn't really like either of them. 12 00:00:41,446 --> 00:00:43,886 (Laughter) (Applause) 13 00:00:45,150 --> 00:00:48,013 And yes, this probably should have been some indication to me 14 00:00:48,013 --> 00:00:50,957 that I was well on my way to an architectural identity crisis, 15 00:00:51,197 --> 00:00:54,203 which then leads into the second question that I often get, 16 00:00:54,203 --> 00:00:56,447 "What kind of buildings do you design?" 17 00:00:56,897 --> 00:00:58,698 And for me, for the longest time, 18 00:00:58,698 --> 00:01:01,479 this has been a hard question to answer. 19 00:01:01,479 --> 00:01:04,276 Usually, I hem and haw, and then I often say, 20 00:01:04,341 --> 00:01:06,121 "Oh, I design community centers." 21 00:01:06,161 --> 00:01:08,852 Partly because a lot of my work is with communities, 22 00:01:08,852 --> 00:01:10,320 so it's kind of true, 23 00:01:10,470 --> 00:01:13,438 and community centers is a typology that people can relate to. 24 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,394 So they're like, "Oh yeah! Great! Cool!" 25 00:01:15,394 --> 00:01:17,425 And then we move on with the conversation. 26 00:01:17,595 --> 00:01:21,053 But the truth of the matter is I actually don't design community centers. 27 00:01:21,443 --> 00:01:23,543 And so what I wanted to try to do here today 28 00:01:23,583 --> 00:01:26,980 is to explain to you exactly what it is that I do. 29 00:01:27,517 --> 00:01:31,544 I'm an architect that doesn't design buildings. 30 00:01:32,264 --> 00:01:35,047 The things that I design, the things that I build 31 00:01:35,231 --> 00:01:38,353 are actually opportunities for impact. 32 00:01:39,163 --> 00:01:42,112 Right now, you're probably asking yourself one of two questions 33 00:01:42,112 --> 00:01:44,316 which I can safely say that my family, friends, 34 00:01:44,316 --> 00:01:47,934 and even architecture school professors have asked themselves more than once. 35 00:01:47,934 --> 00:01:51,386 The first is, "What the heck is designing opportunities for impact?" 36 00:01:51,507 --> 00:01:52,777 That's a good question. 37 00:01:53,147 --> 00:01:56,958 The second is, "What kind of architect doesn't design buildings?" 38 00:01:57,042 --> 00:01:58,273 Also a good question. 39 00:01:58,273 --> 00:02:00,669 By the way, that second question is often known as, 40 00:02:00,669 --> 00:02:04,837 "Wow, did she really go $75,000 into debt at a prestigious architecture school 41 00:02:04,837 --> 00:02:06,918 only to not practice architecture?" 42 00:02:07,268 --> 00:02:09,464 I'm still trying to work that one out. 43 00:02:09,884 --> 00:02:11,994 But let me see if I can explain to you 44 00:02:11,994 --> 00:02:14,659 what it means to design opportunities for impact. 45 00:02:14,899 --> 00:02:17,732 It often means that I'm wearing one of three hats: 46 00:02:17,833 --> 00:02:19,223 that of the expert citizen, 47 00:02:19,223 --> 00:02:20,530 that of the storyteller, 48 00:02:20,530 --> 00:02:22,516 that of the translator. 49 00:02:23,226 --> 00:02:25,324 Expert citizen is this great term 50 00:02:25,324 --> 00:02:28,865 that I came across a couple of years ago in a book called "Spatial Agency," 51 00:02:28,865 --> 00:02:32,034 and it so perfectly encapsulated part of what I do 52 00:02:32,162 --> 00:02:34,449 that I have used it religiously since. 53 00:02:34,819 --> 00:02:38,306 An expert citizen, I imagine, is many of us in this room here today. 54 00:02:38,340 --> 00:02:40,697 We've been trained in some type of expertise, 55 00:02:40,697 --> 00:02:42,287 in my case as a designer. 56 00:02:42,637 --> 00:02:45,266 What I love about this is the pairing with the citizen. 57 00:02:45,266 --> 00:02:48,458 The idea that we're still humans at the end of the day. 58 00:02:48,734 --> 00:02:50,934 We have emotions, we have assumptions, 59 00:02:50,934 --> 00:02:52,282 we have intuition. 60 00:02:52,352 --> 00:02:54,930 And the idea of expert often means 61 00:02:54,930 --> 00:02:57,535 people think of it as we're looking at things 62 00:02:57,535 --> 00:03:00,135 purely in this objective way, almost scientifically. 63 00:03:00,470 --> 00:03:04,373 But I think it's important to remember that when you combine that human element, 64 00:03:04,643 --> 00:03:07,045 it's actually a really rich combination. 65 00:03:07,682 --> 00:03:11,484 Many of the communities that I work with are considered to be citizen experts. 66 00:03:11,864 --> 00:03:14,504 Whether I'm working in a poor African-American community 67 00:03:14,504 --> 00:03:15,806 in San Francisco 68 00:03:15,926 --> 00:03:18,597 or a low-income Kenyan community in Nairobi, 69 00:03:18,767 --> 00:03:20,822 those people know more about what it is like 70 00:03:20,822 --> 00:03:23,362 to live in their communities than I ever will. 71 00:03:23,752 --> 00:03:25,803 They know about their needs and aspirations, 72 00:03:25,803 --> 00:03:27,925 their successes and their failures. 73 00:03:27,925 --> 00:03:29,924 And what I need to do as the expert citizen 74 00:03:29,924 --> 00:03:31,826 is to create space at the table for them 75 00:03:31,826 --> 00:03:33,907 to be able to come and share that knowledge. 76 00:03:33,927 --> 00:03:36,137 Because oftentimes they have not been empowered 77 00:03:36,137 --> 00:03:38,107 to see that knowledge as expertise. 78 00:03:38,197 --> 00:03:41,829 And so I try, as much as possible, to issue out an invitation 79 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:44,074 in which they feel comfortable doing that. 80 00:03:44,420 --> 00:03:47,448 I can best describe this through the story of Mama Sama. 81 00:03:47,768 --> 00:03:50,370 Mama Sama and many women throughout the global South 82 00:03:50,370 --> 00:03:52,699 face a problem when it comes to cooking. 83 00:03:53,139 --> 00:03:56,715 The traditional technology is actually a three-stone fire. 84 00:03:56,715 --> 00:03:58,723 And it actually creates a lot of issues 85 00:03:58,723 --> 00:04:01,324 including health, from the smoke inhalation, 86 00:04:01,324 --> 00:04:02,341 and environment, 87 00:04:02,341 --> 00:04:05,063 from the deforestation and air pollution, 88 00:04:05,073 --> 00:04:08,251 and then also safety, when people go out to fetch wood. 89 00:04:09,087 --> 00:04:11,381 Cookstoves, particularly improved cookstoves, 90 00:04:11,381 --> 00:04:13,765 is something that has been around for over 30 years 91 00:04:13,765 --> 00:04:18,546 as an effort to try and alleviate the issues that come up with the fire. 92 00:04:18,933 --> 00:04:22,296 And there has been a huge push from many governments and NGOs 93 00:04:22,296 --> 00:04:25,293 to try and rapidly increase the adoption of the cookstoves 94 00:04:25,293 --> 00:04:27,208 by the year 2020. 95 00:04:27,408 --> 00:04:30,829 Last year, when I was a fellow at ido.org, my colleagues and I were hired 96 00:04:30,829 --> 00:04:32,845 by the Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves 97 00:04:32,845 --> 00:04:34,185 to try and investigate a way 98 00:04:34,185 --> 00:04:36,672 to close that gap between the adoption of the stove 99 00:04:36,752 --> 00:04:39,906 and the potential that it could still have. 100 00:04:40,068 --> 00:04:43,813 And so we spent three weeks in Tanzania, which was one of the target countries. 101 00:04:44,001 --> 00:04:45,163 We went into many homes, 102 00:04:45,163 --> 00:04:48,436 talked to many citizen experts, like Mama Sama. 103 00:04:48,976 --> 00:04:50,757 And we even cooked with them. 104 00:04:51,137 --> 00:04:53,135 And what we found is that many of the women 105 00:04:53,135 --> 00:04:55,669 actually were familiar with the idea of the cookstove. 106 00:04:55,669 --> 00:04:57,411 They even understood its benefits. 107 00:04:57,451 --> 00:05:00,169 The problem was that when it came time 108 00:05:00,169 --> 00:05:02,659 to cooking a lot of food for their extended family, 109 00:05:02,909 --> 00:05:05,064 a single cookstove was not enough. 110 00:05:05,382 --> 00:05:08,232 When they wanted to cook ugali, which is a traditional dish, 111 00:05:08,363 --> 00:05:11,461 it is just as hard to cook on a cookstove, if not harder, 112 00:05:11,561 --> 00:05:13,440 than cooking on a woodfire. 113 00:05:14,016 --> 00:05:17,826 And when it came to the cost of fuel, particularly if they were using charcoal, 114 00:05:18,396 --> 00:05:20,141 the cost of a month's supply of fuel 115 00:05:20,141 --> 00:05:22,941 was equal to 10 times the cost of a single stove. 116 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:25,926 In that case, the benefits of a cookstove were not enough. 117 00:05:26,617 --> 00:05:29,300 So we were sent into the field to answer the question of 118 00:05:29,300 --> 00:05:32,667 "How could we use design to increase the adoption of the cookstove?" 119 00:05:32,767 --> 00:05:35,703 But what we found was that adoption really wasn't the problem. 120 00:05:35,731 --> 00:05:37,164 Many of them owned cookstoves, 121 00:05:37,164 --> 00:05:40,251 they just couldn't afford to be able to use it often. 122 00:05:40,251 --> 00:05:41,680 And if you don't use it often, 123 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,769 you actually can't get the benefits from it. 124 00:05:43,769 --> 00:05:46,261 So by taking the time to listen to Mama Sama 125 00:05:46,261 --> 00:05:47,689 and the other citizen experts, 126 00:05:47,689 --> 00:05:51,518 and really understand their needs and aspirations of their daily life, 127 00:05:51,671 --> 00:05:54,441 what we found is that in order to generate design solutions 128 00:05:54,441 --> 00:05:55,900 that would be appropriate, 129 00:05:55,929 --> 00:05:58,261 we had to actually design from this question, 130 00:05:58,501 --> 00:06:01,392 "How might we design for the cook and not the cookstove?" 131 00:06:01,930 --> 00:06:05,956 It wasn't about improving the actual technology of the stove, 132 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:08,474 it wasn't about increasing access to markets. 133 00:06:08,594 --> 00:06:10,052 It was about designing things 134 00:06:10,052 --> 00:06:12,333 that actually responded to the women themselves. 135 00:06:12,963 --> 00:06:15,822 And so we came up with a bunch of different design solutions, 136 00:06:15,822 --> 00:06:18,595 everything from implements that could be added to the stove 137 00:06:18,595 --> 00:06:19,866 to make it easier to cook 138 00:06:19,866 --> 00:06:22,027 to actually creating fuel-saving initiatives, 139 00:06:22,027 --> 00:06:25,248 something the Global Alliance had not previously looked at. 140 00:06:26,098 --> 00:06:28,749 Next, I want to talk to you about being a storyteller. 141 00:06:29,492 --> 00:06:33,097 And through that, I'm going to tell a little bit about the story of Roberto. 142 00:06:33,521 --> 00:06:35,600 Roberto and his colleagues are many things: 143 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,576 they are artisans, they are craftsmen, they are tradesmen. 144 00:06:39,376 --> 00:06:41,201 They're also day laborers. 145 00:06:41,541 --> 00:06:44,609 They're some of the over 115,000 men and women 146 00:06:44,609 --> 00:06:45,869 who look for a day’s work 147 00:06:45,869 --> 00:06:49,066 for a day’s wages in cities across the US every day. 148 00:06:49,486 --> 00:06:51,966 And the vast majority of the sites that they do it at 149 00:06:51,966 --> 00:06:53,354 are informal sites, 150 00:06:53,354 --> 00:06:55,610 meaning that they were designed for other uses. 151 00:06:55,820 --> 00:06:58,328 They are the street corners, the gas stations, 152 00:06:58,328 --> 00:07:00,232 the Home Depot parking lot. 153 00:07:00,532 --> 00:07:05,003 And usually at those sites, they lack even the most basic of human necessities. 154 00:07:05,177 --> 00:07:06,505 There's no shelter, 155 00:07:06,685 --> 00:07:09,225 there's no water, there's no toilets. 156 00:07:09,825 --> 00:07:10,845 A few years ago, 157 00:07:10,845 --> 00:07:14,166 I was the design director at a non-profit called Public Architecture, 158 00:07:14,166 --> 00:07:16,665 and my colleagues and I felt that there was something 159 00:07:16,665 --> 00:07:17,999 that we could do about this. 160 00:07:17,999 --> 00:07:21,338 But it wasn't like a day laborer was ever going to walk into our office 161 00:07:21,338 --> 00:07:24,545 and say, "Hi, I'm Roberto, and I'm having a problem at the corner. 162 00:07:24,545 --> 00:07:26,265 I could really use your help." 163 00:07:26,570 --> 00:07:29,413 So we actually, had to go out into the streets to them. 164 00:07:29,503 --> 00:07:32,752 And we treated them both as our clients and our co-designers. 165 00:07:32,832 --> 00:07:36,262 And the product of those conversations, several years of conversations, 166 00:07:36,490 --> 00:07:37,817 resulted in this - 167 00:07:38,007 --> 00:07:39,527 the Day Labour Station. 168 00:07:39,647 --> 00:07:41,971 This is a prototype, a semi-permanent structure 169 00:07:41,971 --> 00:07:44,312 that can be deployed at informal hiring sites. 170 00:07:44,382 --> 00:07:46,299 It's based on an idea of a kit of parts 171 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:49,122 so you can reconfigure it to meet the needs of a given site. 172 00:07:49,212 --> 00:07:52,382 In this case, what you see is a rather large station 173 00:07:52,391 --> 00:07:55,499 because it was supposed to be a proposal for a site in Los Angeles 174 00:07:55,499 --> 00:07:57,806 that was going to house over 150 workers. 175 00:07:58,056 --> 00:08:00,214 But the central elements were always the same: 176 00:08:00,244 --> 00:08:03,707 a seating area and pods that could house a bathroom, 177 00:08:03,825 --> 00:08:06,042 an office for a work site coordinator, 178 00:08:06,072 --> 00:08:09,588 or even a kitchen so that you could have an income-generating food business 179 00:08:09,588 --> 00:08:11,484 that could help to sustain the station. 180 00:08:11,484 --> 00:08:12,912 It's flexible in use, 181 00:08:12,912 --> 00:08:15,302 everything from an employment center to a classroom 182 00:08:15,302 --> 00:08:18,308 so you could teach additional skills to the workers. 183 00:08:18,826 --> 00:08:22,223 I often get asked if by building this, was I not making it worse 184 00:08:22,223 --> 00:08:24,724 for Roberto and others like him. 185 00:08:25,264 --> 00:08:28,124 But the fact of the matter is that many of these hiring sites 186 00:08:28,124 --> 00:08:30,319 have been around for years if not decades. 187 00:08:30,379 --> 00:08:31,759 If you think of most cities 188 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:35,202 when you go around and you're looking, there are no giant signs saying, 189 00:08:35,202 --> 00:08:36,472 "Day laborers here!" 190 00:08:36,742 --> 00:08:39,642 But if you were to ask anyone, they would be able to tell you, 191 00:08:39,642 --> 00:08:42,896 "Oh, yeah. You go to that corner, and that's where you pick them up." 192 00:08:42,896 --> 00:08:44,864 The fact that there is nothing there 193 00:08:44,864 --> 00:08:47,565 belies the fact that they're actually rather permanent. 194 00:08:47,565 --> 00:08:50,753 I recall Juan, who was a day laborer that I met in Houston 195 00:08:50,753 --> 00:08:53,451 when we were looking at building one of these there, 196 00:08:53,451 --> 00:08:56,609 and he said to me, "I've been coming to this site for many years. 197 00:08:56,733 --> 00:08:58,714 It is a place in which I earn my living. 198 00:08:58,714 --> 00:09:00,282 It is sacred to me. 199 00:09:00,612 --> 00:09:03,878 But because there is nothing here, no one else sees that." 200 00:09:04,801 --> 00:09:06,802 And so for Juan and others like him, 201 00:09:06,802 --> 00:09:09,312 building this wasn't about trying to create something 202 00:09:09,312 --> 00:09:11,504 that would bring unwanted attention to them. 203 00:09:11,504 --> 00:09:13,362 It was about trying to create something 204 00:09:13,362 --> 00:09:16,184 that is actually emblematic of the permanence of their site 205 00:09:16,184 --> 00:09:18,742 and that could help actually bring dignity to them. 206 00:09:19,488 --> 00:09:23,011 In terms of an architectural project, this was actually a bit of a failure. 207 00:09:23,011 --> 00:09:25,361 We launched it right before the economic collapse, 208 00:09:25,361 --> 00:09:28,648 and although I flew all around the country at the invitation of cities 209 00:09:28,648 --> 00:09:31,221 who were really interested as this is a novel solution, 210 00:09:31,221 --> 00:09:32,541 when the collapse hit, 211 00:09:32,541 --> 00:09:34,891 as you're closing schools and cutting services, 212 00:09:34,891 --> 00:09:38,382 it simply was politically untenable to spend money on illegals. 213 00:09:39,216 --> 00:09:40,944 But that actually forced us to think 214 00:09:40,944 --> 00:09:43,995 about what were some of the other outcomes that came out of this. 215 00:09:43,995 --> 00:09:46,339 We treated this project not as a design exercise 216 00:09:46,669 --> 00:09:49,106 but as an opportunity to create transformation 217 00:09:49,106 --> 00:09:52,007 of the way in which people saw a particular type of space 218 00:09:52,137 --> 00:09:53,886 and saw a particular type of people. 219 00:09:54,416 --> 00:09:55,689 And to that end, 220 00:09:55,714 --> 00:10:00,766 we tried to tell the stories of Roberto, Juan, Gabrielle, Leobardo 221 00:10:00,766 --> 00:10:02,130 and others like them. 222 00:10:02,130 --> 00:10:05,052 We tried to tell the stories of them and their American dream, 223 00:10:05,052 --> 00:10:07,774 their desire to come here for a better life for themselves 224 00:10:07,774 --> 00:10:08,984 and for their families. 225 00:10:08,984 --> 00:10:11,606 And we tried to tell the stories of their sacred spaces, 226 00:10:11,646 --> 00:10:15,063 the places in which they earned a living which would support that dream. 227 00:10:15,223 --> 00:10:17,129 And we took that story far and wide. 228 00:10:17,129 --> 00:10:19,399 We took it to The Los Angeles Times, 229 00:10:19,399 --> 00:10:21,527 the Cooper-Hewitt, National Design Museum, 230 00:10:21,527 --> 00:10:22,943 the Venice Bienalle. 231 00:10:22,943 --> 00:10:26,505 And what you see here is actually a poster from a big international award 232 00:10:26,505 --> 00:10:28,180 that we won for this project. 233 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,925 And on this poster are actually quotes from emails 234 00:10:30,925 --> 00:10:33,495 that I received over the years from doing this project, 235 00:10:33,495 --> 00:10:35,363 both good and, actually, a lot bad. 236 00:10:35,363 --> 00:10:37,844 And the thing that we felt really important 237 00:10:37,844 --> 00:10:40,191 was that this was a catalyst for a conversation. 238 00:10:40,591 --> 00:10:42,966 No one was talking about these sites before, 239 00:10:42,966 --> 00:10:44,693 and by opening up the conversation 240 00:10:44,693 --> 00:10:46,823 we were talking both about what they are now 241 00:10:46,823 --> 00:10:48,698 and what they have the potential to be. 242 00:10:48,898 --> 00:10:52,684 It was also really important to tell the story not only to the wider public 243 00:10:52,684 --> 00:10:55,394 but also to the workers themselves. 244 00:10:56,134 --> 00:10:58,230 One of my favorite moments from this project 245 00:10:58,230 --> 00:10:59,668 was that I had the opportunity 246 00:10:59,668 --> 00:11:01,880 to present it to a convention of day laborers - 247 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,487 and yes, there is such a thing. 248 00:11:03,487 --> 00:11:05,700 And I only spoke for a short period of time, 249 00:11:05,700 --> 00:11:08,389 but after I did, many people came up to me, 250 00:11:08,644 --> 00:11:11,485 and I was truly touched by how touched they were 251 00:11:11,739 --> 00:11:14,298 at being able to see up there on that big screen 252 00:11:14,298 --> 00:11:17,310 something that acknowledged that they had been seen, 253 00:11:17,476 --> 00:11:20,223 that they had been heard, and that they had been valued. 254 00:11:20,753 --> 00:11:23,031 And that's the power of being a storyteller. 255 00:11:23,551 --> 00:11:26,145 As for the translator hat, you have actually seen that 256 00:11:26,145 --> 00:11:28,685 over the ten plus minutes that I've been talking. 257 00:11:28,725 --> 00:11:32,172 It's basically taking the things I hear when I listen at the table 258 00:11:32,372 --> 00:11:35,566 and the stories that I know that I need to tell to create impact 259 00:11:35,566 --> 00:11:38,705 and combining them into something that is tangible - 260 00:11:38,925 --> 00:11:40,801 a reflection of all of that. 261 00:11:40,911 --> 00:11:44,028 And that allows us to move forward on whatever the social issue is 262 00:11:44,028 --> 00:11:45,542 that I'm trying to address. 263 00:11:45,652 --> 00:11:49,537 And so, that is what it means to design opportunities for impact. 264 00:11:49,927 --> 00:11:51,723 It means that I'm an expert citizen 265 00:11:51,723 --> 00:11:54,262 who creates space at the table for citizen experts. 266 00:11:54,682 --> 00:11:57,477 That I'm a storyteller that tries to tell authentic stories 267 00:11:57,477 --> 00:11:59,610 of the people I meet and design with. 268 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,561 And that I'm a translator 269 00:12:01,571 --> 00:12:04,951 who tries to bring tangibility to a vision of places and services 270 00:12:04,951 --> 00:12:08,463 that speak to the needs and aspirations of the human experience. 271 00:12:09,263 --> 00:12:12,309 And so I hope that if you take anything away today from my talk, 272 00:12:12,309 --> 00:12:14,028 well, there is sort of three things. 273 00:12:14,028 --> 00:12:17,451 The first is never really ask that Fountainhead question to an architect. 274 00:12:17,451 --> 00:12:18,739 We don't like it. 275 00:12:19,459 --> 00:12:20,890 The other thing is that I hope 276 00:12:20,890 --> 00:12:24,172 that you think about architecture and design a little bit differently: 277 00:12:24,172 --> 00:12:26,897 about what it is and what it has the potential to impact. 278 00:12:26,897 --> 00:12:29,568 And the third is that the things that I have shown you 279 00:12:29,568 --> 00:12:32,418 are about the combination of both the hard skills of design 280 00:12:32,418 --> 00:12:34,394 and the soft skills of humanity. 281 00:12:34,744 --> 00:12:39,104 But those soft skills are not the domain, the exclusive domain of design. 282 00:12:39,234 --> 00:12:41,060 They can be used by all of you 283 00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:44,827 in anything that you are trying to do in your own lives and in your own crafts. 284 00:12:44,827 --> 00:12:46,988 And so I hope that you move on today 285 00:12:46,988 --> 00:12:49,173 trying to figure out exactly how to do that. 286 00:12:49,303 --> 00:12:50,344 Thank you. 287 00:12:50,344 --> 00:12:53,340 (Applause)