WEBVTT 00:00:01.784 --> 00:00:05.976 The first question is: Who are you? 00:00:05.976 --> 00:00:12.408 a summary of what you do in the movement and your role. 00:00:12.408 --> 00:00:15.417 Who am I and what do I do? 00:00:15.417 --> 00:00:17.782 Do I look to any of the cameras? 00:00:17.782 --> 00:00:20.333 At me - Always Ian 00:00:20.333 --> 00:00:22.774 OK. Do I have to say my name? 00:00:22.774 --> 00:00:26.786 Do I? I don't mind. My name is Victor 00:00:26.786 --> 00:00:29.746 and I think i'm a normal person, 00:00:29.746 --> 00:00:35.288 like everyone else who is engaged in the movement or not. 00:00:35.288 --> 00:00:45.258 I have nothing particularly special. We all have something that may complement anybody else 00:00:45.330 --> 00:00:47.900 and well... 00:00:47.900 --> 00:00:52.700 I am not that important to describe myself, 00:00:52.700 --> 00:00:59.777 i'm just a person who is here trying to do something for other people, as I always have. 00:00:59.777 --> 00:01:06.197 My role within the movement has been developing little by little 00:01:06.219 --> 00:01:13.317 and I started as someone who had too much work 00:01:13.317 --> 00:01:20.872 and now I consider myself a person who has delegated as much as possible 00:01:20.872 --> 00:01:28.307 in all the people that I have been able to. 00:01:28.307 --> 00:01:31.780 I am surrounded by wonderful people. 00:01:31.780 --> 00:01:39.450 Since I got in, up to today; I have met people who nowadays are friends of mine, 00:01:39.450 --> 00:01:54.502 and I think that any person who grasps that we must help people to understand what is happening and what we can achieve as people, 00:01:54.502 --> 00:02:02.275 is very important. And I think that this is one of our duties in the ZM in the world. 00:02:02.275 --> 00:02:08.927 OK. Now tell us about... You've already touched the subject but... 00:02:08.927 --> 00:02:15.252 Why are you in the movement and support the ?? (loud noise) 00:02:15.252 --> 00:02:17.132 Why am I in the movement? 00:02:19.085 --> 00:02:21.521 Honestly, I have to say it. 00:02:21.521 --> 00:02:29.022 I am in the movement because when I saw the movie, the documentary Zeitgeist Addendum, NOTE Paragraph 00:02:29.022 --> 00:02:39.567 due to my profession as a technician, engineer, many technical subjects caught my attention. 00:02:39.568 --> 00:02:44.766 At that time a resources based economy was emmerging as part of a project, 00:02:44.766 --> 00:02:48.382 and as an engineer, it really got my attention. 00:02:48.382 --> 00:02:51.133 The truth is that it was the starting point. 00:02:51.133 --> 00:02:56.876 That was a key point in my life because from there 00:02:56.876 --> 00:03:03.112 I started a Master in renewable energies and energetic efficiency 00:03:03.112 --> 00:03:07.172 to be able to help those who need something. 00:03:07.172 --> 00:03:12.790 And right now I think I could help a lot in TZM terms. 00:03:12.790 --> 00:03:20.509 At present I feel very well with myself because thanks to that Master 00:03:20.509 --> 00:03:36.187 I have been able to help immigrants to understand how they themselves can use the sun's energy, the wind's energy...to live. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:36.187 --> 00:03:41.093 And well, maybe one thing brought me to another 00:03:41.093 --> 00:03:48.497 and I'm here today trying to encourage all that TZM is in Spain, 00:03:48.497 --> 00:03:50.974 the world, the hispanic comunity. 00:03:50.974 --> 00:03:58.262 And I think that we all got here bouncing from somewhere else. 00:03:59.001 --> 00:04:09.270 How did the movement emerge in Spain? And a bit about it's projection. 00:04:09.746 --> 00:04:15.948 And tell us about the first meeting. 00:04:15.948 --> 00:04:19.767 Ah, OK. A summary of the history, right? 00:04:19.767 --> 00:04:21.049 Yes. 00:04:21.157 --> 00:04:27.149 Well, the truth is that it was hard to get started in Spain. 00:04:27.149 --> 00:04:35.948 It was hard because I, like many others, after seeing The Zeitgeist Addendum documentary 00:04:35.948 --> 00:04:39.554 were left with a series of questions in our mind 00:04:39.554 --> 00:04:43.392 and little by little we managed to... 00:04:43.392 --> 00:04:47.053 or... you look for explanations, 00:04:47.053 --> 00:04:51.790 you try to find people who has the same concerns as you do. 00:04:51.790 --> 00:04:56.606 One day I thought of starting a blog with no kind of expectations 00:04:56.606 --> 00:05:07.760 and before Zday 2009 I called a meeting anonimously in one of Valencia's beaches 00:05:07.760 --> 00:05:16.383 hoping that at least one person would turn up to discuss all that was being questioned 00:05:16.383 --> 00:05:19.714 and I was met by 12 people. 00:05:19.714 --> 00:05:26.790 At present not all of them are still here. They live somewhere else or for another reason, 00:05:26.790 --> 00:05:35.188 but we all are the same, we are in contact to one degree or another. 00:05:35.188 --> 00:05:38.729 And that was one of the key points 00:05:38.729 --> 00:05:41.715 that kind of drove us to push ourselves 00:05:41.715 --> 00:05:45.838 very, very little by little. The truth is that the projection took very long. 00:05:45.838 --> 00:05:48.831 From meetings in bars, in coffee shops... always talking about the same thing 00:05:48.831 --> 00:05:55.943 until little by little, thanks to the blog more people started to join, thanks to the word by mouth, 00:05:55.943 --> 00:06:01.221 and very important people started to arrive, even in my life. Like Iván. 00:06:01.221 --> 00:06:06.037 Thanks to that person a quality leap was achieved towards the development 00:06:06.037 --> 00:06:11.672 of an IT tool to be able to reach many more people 00:06:11.672 --> 00:06:14.132 and then, thanks to Zday 2010 00:06:14.132 --> 00:06:18.145 I think that we reached a benchmark 00:06:18.145 --> 00:06:30.373 I think that important for us in Spain, which was to bring together nearly 120 people with a talk based on Peter's talks. 00:06:30.373 --> 00:06:38.313 And well... the truth is that it was surprising that young people was concerned with this kind of subjects 00:06:38.313 --> 00:06:42.546 and the no so young people, more adult, more mature, 00:06:42.546 --> 00:06:45.816 understood that the people who was underneath them 00:06:45.816 --> 00:06:53.127 was pushing to come out of the hole in which many people find themselves. 00:06:53.127 --> 00:06:58.960 We have more or less followed a similar path in 2011. 00:06:58.960 --> 00:07:05.677 The projections, the moving forward, have been extraordinary 00:07:05.677 --> 00:07:11.109 and I think that this is going to help us a lot with the next ZDay 00:07:11.109 --> 00:07:14.129 that, why not, could be in Spain 00:07:14.129 --> 00:07:17.814 with all the social movement that there has been here. 00:07:17.814 --> 00:07:22.811 So I think that my projections for the future are very, very positive. 00:07:22.811 --> 00:07:30.330 People are understanding that there is a problem and, what is more important, that we are the solution. 00:07:31.105 --> 00:07:33.502 I think next subject is the transition. 00:07:33.502 --> 00:07:35.425 The transition... 00:07:35.425 --> 00:07:39.349 The transition to a resources based economy. 00:07:42.164 --> 00:07:45.310 A transition to a resources based economy 00:07:45.310 --> 00:07:48.863 is not easy. Actually... 00:07:48.863 --> 00:07:54.567 like some of the mottos that we have in many of the t-shirts that we have made here in Spain, 00:07:54.567 --> 00:07:57.973 we must be the change that we want to see in the world. 00:07:57.973 --> 00:08:04.525 And perhaps, to get to a resources based economy we should first 00:08:04.525 --> 00:08:08.996 understand ourselves, why we are on this planet 00:08:08.996 --> 00:08:12.173 and start to change our education. 00:08:12.173 --> 00:08:15.650 Many think that this kind of change, 00:08:15.650 --> 00:08:18.078 so radical, 00:08:18.078 --> 00:08:21.746 would mean to do something outrageous. 00:08:21.746 --> 00:08:27.498 But it is not so outrageous. If we think that we can educate ourselves, 00:08:27.729 --> 00:08:30.358 help educate those next to us, 00:08:30.358 --> 00:08:32.353 our family, our friends, 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:39.341 and little by little go viral and transmit to people that we are a great solution 00:08:39.341 --> 00:08:44.057 and that the problem is not that big if we see that we are more. 00:08:44.057 --> 00:08:47.980 We should first understand ourselves and think that a transition 00:08:47.980 --> 00:08:59.263 to a resources based economy must start at home and not in great magnitudes.... and cities... 00:08:59.263 --> 00:09:03.213 that there is no point in thinking that big. 00:09:03.213 --> 00:09:07.486 Perhaps, the first thing we should do 00:09:07.486 --> 00:09:12.738 is talk, stop to think, 00:09:12.738 --> 00:09:18.525 and at the time that we can have our children, 00:09:18.525 --> 00:09:23.263 for this to be the great change that we want to see. 00:09:23.263 --> 00:09:26.654 A transition is not written. Luckily it is not written. 00:09:26.654 --> 00:09:30.717 Therefore, the transition to a resources based economy I think is going to be 00:09:30.717 --> 00:09:37.167 in the most unexpected way for many of us who are waiting for it. 00:09:37.167 --> 00:09:42.271 From the most hated kind of transition , to the most positive. 00:09:42.271 --> 00:09:46.132 But I think that the way, which is what we are looking for, 00:09:46.132 --> 00:09:50.904 is taking shape. We can see it in the world. 00:09:50.904 --> 00:09:55.500 There are revolts, vindications of social services. 00:09:55.500 --> 00:09:59.652 And in some extent we must start there. 00:09:59.652 --> 00:10:02.458 Claiming what the society is looking for. 00:10:02.458 --> 00:10:05.509 Which is, firstly our well being 00:10:05.509 --> 00:10:12.624 and always being next to those who are around us. 00:10:12.624 --> 00:10:23.729 It is said that TZM very often excludes religious people. 00:10:23.729 --> 00:10:28.105 But perhaps I understand religion differently. 00:10:28.105 --> 00:10:32.321 There are times that I can't believe in something I don't see. 00:10:32.321 --> 00:10:35.604 But I do believe in those around me and I help them. 00:10:35.604 --> 00:10:45.554 Maybe that which some call God is within us helping others. 00:10:45.554 --> 00:10:51.554 So that is the way, or the first step, towards transition. 00:10:52.569 --> 00:11:04.550 (unintelligible) 00:11:05.643 --> 00:11:15.281 For everybody? - No, about how you see the work issue in Spain. 00:11:15.912 --> 00:11:18.783 Which one? Social? 00:11:18.922 --> 00:11:26.775 They ask this in every country. It is not because there have been revolts in Spain now. 00:11:26.775 --> 00:11:32.649 What is the situation...? - Yes, in regards to the economic collapse. 00:11:32.649 --> 00:11:39.531 How do you see it in general. Economic, politic, social situation. 00:11:45.961 --> 00:11:53.806 I think it is very complicated to talk about a situation in a specific country. 00:11:53.806 --> 00:12:02.731 We live in a global economy. Everything you do here affects any kind of country. 00:12:02.731 --> 00:12:13.062 Unfortunately, many people wakes up checking their shares; if they are up or down. 00:12:13.062 --> 00:12:19.274 But in reality, nor in Spain or in any other country 00:12:19.274 --> 00:12:24.734 the shares in a stock market are the reality that we live. 00:12:24.734 --> 00:12:26.910 No matter how much the shares go up, 00:12:26.910 --> 00:12:37.260 there will still be people on the streets, unemployment, we are going to continue to live 00:12:37.260 --> 00:12:40.289 in a situation that is not real. 00:12:40.289 --> 00:12:49.003 If we want abundance in every country, why do we have to lower our head 00:12:49.003 --> 00:12:58.145 every time that we walk throught the streets of the center of every important province in Spain? 00:12:58.145 --> 00:13:01.462 Every time that we see someone begging? 00:13:01.462 --> 00:13:08.814 It is critical, isn't it? that we start trying to urge people to see 00:13:08.814 --> 00:13:13.848 that every country's situation is linked. 00:13:13.848 --> 00:13:19.216 And that the same way that it has happened with the social movement here in Spain, 00:13:19.216 --> 00:13:24.210 which has triggered a series of movements in other countries, 00:13:24.210 --> 00:13:32.514 maybe we can do something like it, similar, with TZM, the same way that we are already doing it. 00:13:32.514 --> 00:13:37.285 The situation is not local, it is global. 00:13:37.285 --> 00:13:45.327 So, once again, whether the shares go up or down, we are going to continue in the same situation. 00:13:45.327 --> 00:13:49.547 The bed doesn't move. Your job doesn't move 00:13:49.547 --> 00:13:55.198 and I think that 90% of us carries on living in the same situation 00:13:55.198 --> 00:14:02.920 no matter how the shares in Wall St or Madrid's stock market vary. 00:14:03.273 --> 00:14:04.422 (unintelligible) 00:14:04.591 --> 00:14:06.822 But that they don't have...? 00:14:07.252 --> 00:14:09.992 The people who don't (unintelligible) 00:14:20.841 --> 00:14:23.582 For everyone? 00:14:23.582 --> 00:14:25.746 But not like... 00:14:25.746 --> 00:14:31.847 But like... a hug? or like... come here? It is complicated. 00:14:32.201 --> 00:14:35.766 Yes, not like something propagandistic... 00:14:36.012 --> 00:14:38.066 Exactly, is just that... 00:14:38.435 --> 00:14:50.328 Most people talk about something specific. Something that they think important, ...(unintelligible)... 00:14:50.328 --> 00:14:55.154 Why is it important for people to understand the movement? 00:14:55.554 --> 00:14:57.632 ... yes but.... 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:19.940 ... something that is important for you. 00:15:19.940 --> 00:15:24.404 Yes, but something that doesn't necessarily have to do with the movement. 00:15:24.404 --> 00:15:27.564 Right, it doesn't have to. Something that you would like to tell... 00:15:27.564 --> 00:15:38.563 For example, why do we have to change the system, change ourselves, and so on? 00:15:43.732 --> 00:15:46.654 I am thinking. 00:15:58.762 --> 00:16:00.388 It is difficult. 00:16:07.325 --> 00:16:11.330 It doesn't have to be related to the movement, right? 00:16:16.728 --> 00:16:18.053 Two left 00:16:18.237 --> 00:16:20.629 Stop the world, I'm getting off 00:16:27.751 --> 00:16:29.414 There? 00:16:33.721 --> 00:16:36.602 But do I have to look there? 00:16:58.493 --> 00:17:04.354 Ask me something Ian, because I can't think of an answer. 00:17:06.853 --> 00:17:13.695 Something you'd talk about if you had a minute in the TV at prime time. 00:17:13.725 --> 00:17:16.978 I would talk about TZM... 00:17:17.593 --> 00:17:26.584 Or something like why it is important to join the movement, something like that... 00:17:26.584 --> 00:17:29.349 But it is not important to join the movement. 00:17:29.349 --> 00:17:41.697 ... (unintelligible)...It is important is to commit... (gives unintelligible example of what someone else said) 00:17:44.773 --> 00:17:47.681 ...but I don't want to condition you. 00:17:48.051 --> 00:17:50.172 I don't know... 00:17:50.419 --> 00:17:53.569 You can try and then we move on to something else. 00:17:53.569 --> 00:18:00.460 Can I look at you?... At the camera? 00:18:00.767 --> 00:18:04.767 (instructions re: cameras) 00:18:05.076 --> 00:18:09.813 Can I put my eyes with your eyes? 00:18:09.820 --> 00:18:11.771 Or at the camera? 00:18:49.704 --> 00:18:54.451 When we analyze problems, one of the parts that perhaps 00:18:54.451 --> 00:18:58.640 we don't fully understand is the root of those problems. 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:06.084 Maybe we are used to our problems being solved for us. It is much easier, maybe, to move forward like that. 00:19:06.084 --> 00:19:10.214 But it is much more important to learn to solve a problem. 00:19:10.214 --> 00:19:16.316 Learning to solve a problem means to dive right into that problem. 00:19:16.316 --> 00:19:28.547 Many times we take the easy route and we don't teach how to learn. 00:19:28.547 --> 00:19:39.494 To read, to understand the concepts... no... it is not good... I don't know, I don't know. 00:19:39.494 --> 00:19:45.716 I wanted to talk about education. I was going to talk about education. 00:19:45.716 --> 00:19:55.495 Because I just happen to have had a course with immigrants that has motivated me a lot, but... 00:19:56.126 --> 00:19:58.400 (unintelligible) 00:19:59.015 --> 00:20:00.879 A sentence or two? 00:20:01.786 --> 00:20:05.177 I am blocked. 00:20:05.409 --> 00:20:12.953 Think that is it not just about what you have to say.... but in a global sense... 00:20:12.953 --> 00:20:21.861 A sentence that motivates you and could motivate people like you. 00:20:22.123 --> 00:20:24.246 (Unintelligible) 00:20:43.660 --> 00:20:52.273 One of the most important sides that perhaps we don't grasp is that we have... (interrupted) 00:20:53.487 --> 00:21:01.299 OK. Now that I was getting started... Now I'm facing the sun. 00:21:01.299 --> 00:21:08.777 We have to help people understand many things 00:21:08.777 --> 00:21:13.650 that they might not be able to understand on their own. 00:21:13.650 --> 00:21:20.108 Education, knowing how to teach, not being selfish with your knowledge, 00:21:20.108 --> 00:21:28.582 Knowing how to raise an idea so everyone can collaborate and make a great project out of it 00:21:28.582 --> 00:21:34.446 is one of the most beautiful things that I have found in TZM. 00:21:34.446 --> 00:21:45.061 To plant a seed and find a tree after showing my friends what I wanted or the idea I had 00:21:45.061 --> 00:21:49.205 has been one of the things that has fulfilled me the most in this movement. 00:21:49.205 --> 00:21:56.596 And therefore, why not carry on planting seeds and be able to find a forest? 00:22:04.472 --> 00:22:06.720 OK? Well... 00:22:07.182 --> 00:22:09.407 It was very good! 00:22:09.530 --> 00:22:12.612 It did come out! Right? I was trying to...