The first question is: Who are you?
a summary of what you do in the movement and your role.
Who am I and what do I do?
Do I look to any of the cameras?
At me - Always Ian
OK. Do I have to say my name?
Do I? I don't mind. My name is Victor
and I think i'm a normal person,
like everyone else who is engaged in the movement or not.
I have nothing particularly special. We all have something that may complement anybody else
and well...
I am not that important to describe myself,
i'm just a person who is here trying to do something for other people, as I always have.
My role within the movement has been developing little by little
and I started as someone who had too much work
and now I consider myself a person who has delegated as much as possible
in all the people that I have been able to.
I am surrounded by wonderful people.
Since I got in, up to today; I have met people who nowadays are friends of mine,
and I think that any person who grasps that we must help people to understand what is happening and what we can achieve as people,
is very important. And I think that this is one of our duties in the ZM in the world.
OK. Now tell us about... You've already touched the subject but...
Why are you in the movement and support the ?? (loud noise)
Why am I in the movement?
Honestly, I have to say it.
I am in the movement because when I saw the movie, the documentary Zeitgeist Addendum,
due to my profession as a technician, engineer, many technical subjects caught my attention.
At that time a resources based economy was emmerging as part of a project,
and as an engineer, it really got my attention.
The truth is that it was the starting point.
That was a key point in my life because from there
I started a Master in renewable energies and energetic efficiency
to be able to help those who need something.
And right now I think I could help a lot in TZM terms.
At present I feel very well with myself because thanks to that Master
I have been able to help immigrants to understand how they themselves can use the sun's energy, the wind's energy...to live.
And well, maybe one thing brought me to another
and I'm here today trying to encourage all that TZM is in Spain,
the world, the hispanic comunity.
And I think that we all got here bouncing from somewhere else.
How did the movement emerge in Spain? And a bit about it's projection.
And tell us about the first meeting.
Ah, OK. A summary of the history, right?
Yes.
Well, the truth is that it was hard to get started in Spain.
It was hard because I, like many others, after seeing The Zeitgeist Addendum documentary
were left with a series of questions in our mind
and little by little we managed to...
or... you look for explanations,
you try to find people who has the same concerns as you do.
One day I thought of starting a blog with no kind of expectations
and before Zday 2009 I called a meeting anonimously in one of Valencia's beaches
hoping that at least one person would turn up to discuss all that was being questioned
and I was met by 12 people.
At present not all of them are still here. They live somewhere else or for another reason,
but we all are the same, we are in contact to one degree or another.
And that was one of the key points
that kind of drove us to push ourselves
very, very little by little. The truth is that the projection took very long.
From meetings in bars, in coffee shops... always talking about the same thing
until little by little, thanks to the blog more people started to join, thanks to the word by mouth,
and very important people started to arrive, even in my life. Like Iván.
Thanks to that person a quality leap was achieved towards the development
of an IT tool to be able to reach many more people
and then, thanks to Zday 2010
I think that we reached a benchmark
I think that important for us in Spain, which was to bring together nearly 120 people with a talk based on Peter's talks.
And well... the truth is that it was surprising that young people was concerned with this kind of subjects
and the no so young people, more adult, more mature,
understood that the people who was underneath them
was pushing to come out of the hole in which many people find themselves.
We have more or less followed a similar path in 2011.
The projections, the moving forward, have been extraordinary
and I think that this is going to help us a lot with the next ZDay
that, why not, could be in Spain
with all the social movement that there has been here.
So I think that my projections for the future are very, very positive.
People are understanding that there is a problem and, what is more important, that we are the solution.
I think next subject is the transition.
The transition...
The transition to a resources based economy.
A transition to a resources based economy
is not easy. Actually...
like some of the mottos that we have in many of the t-shirts that we have made here in Spain,
we must be the change that we want to see in the world.
And perhaps, to get to a resources based economy we should first
understand ourselves, why we are on this planet
and start to change our education.
Many think that this kind of change,
so radical,
would mean to do something outrageous.
But it is not so outrageous. If we think that we can educate ourselves,
help educate those next to us,
our family, our friends,
and little by little go viral and transmit to people that we are a great solution
and that the problem is not that big if we see that we are more.
We should first understand ourselves and think that a transition
to a resources based economy must start at home and not in great magnitudes.... and cities...
that there is no point in thinking that big.
Perhaps, the first thing we should do
is talk, stop to think,
and at the time that we can have our children,
for this to be the great change that we want to see.
A transition is not written. Luckily it is not written.
Therefore, the transition to a resources based economy I think is going to be
in the most unexpected way for many of us who are waiting for it.
From the most hated kind of transition , to the most positive.
But I think that the way, which is what we are looking for,
is taking shape. We can see it in the world.
There are revolts, vindications of social services.
And in some extent we must start there.
Claiming what the society is looking for.
Which is, firstly our well being
and always being next to those who are around us.
It is said that TZM very often excludes religious people.
But perhaps I understand religion differently.
There are times that I can't believe in something I don't see.
But I do believe in those around me and I help them.
Maybe that which some call God is within us helping others.
So that is the way, or the first step, towards transition.
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For everybody? - No, about how you see the work issue in Spain.
Which one? Social?
They ask this in every country. It is not because there have been revolts in Spain now.
What is the situation...? - Yes, in regards to the economic collapse.
How do you see it in general. Economic, politic, social situation.
I think it is very complicated to talk about a situation in a specific country.
We live in a global economy. Everything you do here affects any kind of country.
Unfortunately, many people wakes up checking their shares; if they are up or down.
But in reality, nor in Spain or in any other country
the shares in a stock market are the reality that we live.
No matter how much the shares go up,
there will still be people on the streets, unemployment, we are going to continue to live
in a situation that is not real.
If we want abundance in every country, why do we have to lower our head
every time that we walk throught the streets of the center of every important province in Spain?
Every time that we see someone begging?
It is critical, isn't it? that we start trying to urge people to see
that every country's situation is linked.
And that the same way that it has happened with the social movement here in Spain,
which has triggered a series of movements in other countries,
maybe we can do something like it, similar, with TZM, the same way that we are already doing it.
The situation is not local, it is global.
So, once again, whether the shares go up or down, we are going to continue in the same situation.
The bed doesn't move. Your job doesn't move
and I think that 90% of us carries on living in the same situation
no matter how the shares in Wall St or Madrid's stock market vary.
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But that they don't have...?
The people who don't (unintelligible)
For everyone?
But not like...
But like... a hug? or like... come here? It is complicated.
Yes, not like something propagandistic...
Exactly, is just that...
Most people talk about something specific. Something that they think important, ...(unintelligible)...
Why is it important for people to understand the movement?
... yes but....
... something that is important for you.
Yes, but something that doesn't necessarily have to do with the movement.
Right, it doesn't have to. Something that you would like to tell...
For example, why do we have to change the system, change ourselves, and so on?
I am thinking.
It is difficult.
It doesn't have to be related to the movement, right?
Two left
Stop the world, I'm getting off
There?
But do I have to look there?
Ask me something Ian, because I can't think of an answer.
Something you'd talk about if you had a minute in the TV at prime time.
I would talk about TZM...
Or something like why it is important to join the movement, something like that...
But it is not important to join the movement.
... (unintelligible)...It is important is to commit... (gives unintelligible example of what someone else said)
...but I don't want to condition you.
I don't know...
You can try and then we move on to something else.
Can I look at you?... At the camera?
(instructions re: cameras)
Can I put my eyes with your eyes?
Or at the camera?
When we analyze problems, one of the parts that perhaps
we don't fully understand is the root of those problems.
Maybe we are used to our problems being solved for us. It is much easier, maybe, to move forward like that.
But it is much more important to learn to solve a problem.
Learning to solve a problem means to dive right into that problem.
Many times we take the easy route and we don't teach how to learn.
To read, to understand the concepts... no... it is not good... I don't know, I don't know.
I wanted to talk about education. I was going to talk about education.
Because I just happen to have had a course with immigrants that has motivated me a lot, but...
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A sentence or two?
I am blocked.
Think that is it not just about what you have to say.... but in a global sense...
A sentence that motivates you and could motivate people like you.
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One of the most important sides that perhaps we don't grasp is that we have... (interrupted)
OK. Now that I was getting started... Now I'm facing the sun.
We have to help people understand many things
that they might not be able to understand on their own.
Education, knowing how to teach, not being selfish with your knowledge,
Knowing how to raise an idea so everyone can collaborate and make a great project out of it
is one of the most beautiful things that I have found in TZM.
To plant a seed and find a tree after showing my friends what I wanted or the idea I had
has been one of the things that has fulfilled me the most in this movement.
And therefore, why not carry on planting seeds and be able to find a forest?
OK? Well...
It was very good!
It did come out! Right? I was trying to...