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The first question is: Who are you?

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a summary of what you do in the movement and your role.

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Who am I and what do I do?

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Do I look to any of the cameras?

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At me - Always Ian

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OK. Do I have to say my name?

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Do I? I don't mind. My name is Victor

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and I think i'm a normal person,

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like everyone else who is engaged in the movement or not.

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I have nothing particularly special. We all have something that may complement anybody else

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and well...

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I am not that important to describe myself,

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i'm just a person who is here trying to do something for other people, as I always have.

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My role within the movement has been developing little by little

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and I started as someone who had too much work

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and now I consider myself a person who has delegated as much as possible

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in all the people that I have been able to.

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I am surrounded by wonderful people.

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Since I got in, up to today; I have met people who nowadays are friends of mine,

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and I think that any person who grasps that we must help people to understand what is happening and what we can achieve as people,

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is very important. And I think that this is one of our duties in the ZM in the world.

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OK. Now tell us about... You've already touched the subject but...

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Why are you in the movement and support the ?? (loud noise)

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Why am I in the movement?

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Honestly, I have to say it.

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I am in the movement because when I saw the movie, the documentary Zeitgeist Addendum,

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due to my profession as a technician, engineer, many technical subjects caught my attention.

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At that time a resources based economy was emmerging as part of a project,

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and as an engineer, it really got my attention.

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The truth is that it was the starting point.

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That was a key point in my life because from there

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I started a Master in renewable energies and energetic efficiency

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to be able to help those who need something.

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And right now I think I could help a lot in TZM terms.

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At present I feel very well with myself because thanks to that Master

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I have been able to help immigrants to understand how they themselves can use the sun's energy, the wind's energy...to live.

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And well, maybe one thing brought me to another

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and I'm here today trying to encourage all that TZM is in Spain,

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the world, the hispanic comunity.

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And I think that we all got here bouncing from somewhere else.

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How did the movement emerge in Spain? And a bit about it's projection.

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And tell us about the first meeting.

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Ah, OK. A summary of the history, right?

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Yes.

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Well, the truth is that it was hard to get started in Spain.

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It was hard because I, like many others, after seeing The Zeitgeist Addendum documentary

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were left with a series of questions in our mind

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and little by little we managed to...

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or... you look for explanations,

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you try to find people who has the same concerns as you do.

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One day I thought of starting a blog with no kind of expectations

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and before Zday 2009 I called a meeting anonimously in one of Valencia's beaches

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hoping that at least one person would turn up to discuss all that was being questioned

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and I was met by 12 people.

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At present not all of them are still here. They live somewhere else or for another reason,

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but we all are the same, we are in contact to one degree or another.

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And that was one of the key points

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that kind of drove us to push ourselves

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very, very little by little. The truth is that the projection took very long.

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From meetings in bars, in coffee shops... always talking about the same thing

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until little by little, thanks to the blog more people started to join, thanks to the word by mouth,

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and very important people started to arrive, even in my life. Like Iván.

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Thanks to that person a quality leap was achieved towards the development

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of an IT tool to be able to reach many more people

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and then, thanks to Zday 2010

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I think that we reached a benchmark

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I think that important for us in Spain, which was to bring together nearly 120 people with a talk based on Peter's talks.

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And well... the truth is that it was surprising that young people was concerned with this kind of subjects

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and the no so young people, more adult, more mature,

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understood that the people who was underneath them

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was pushing to come out of the hole in which many people find themselves.

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We have more or less followed a similar path in 2011.

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The projections, the moving forward, have been extraordinary

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and I think that this is going to help us a lot with the next ZDay

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that, why not, could be in Spain

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with all the social movement that there has been here.

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So I think that my projections for the future are very, very positive.

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People are understanding that there is a problem and, what is more important, that we are the solution.

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I think next subject is the transition.

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The transition...

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The transition to a resources based economy.

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A transition to a resources based economy

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is not easy. Actually...

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like some of the mottos that we have in many of the t-shirts that we have made here in Spain,

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we must be the change that we want to see in the world.

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And perhaps, to get to a resources based economy we should first

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understand ourselves, why we are on this planet

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and start to change our education.

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Many think that this kind of change,

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so radical,

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would mean to do something outrageous.

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But it is not so outrageous. If we think that we can educate ourselves,

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help educate those next to us,

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our family, our friends,

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and little by little go viral and transmit to people that we are a great solution

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and that the problem is not that big if we see that we are more.

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We should first understand ourselves and think that a transition

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to a resources based economy must start at home and not in great magnitudes.... and cities...

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that there is no point in thinking that big.

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Perhaps, the first thing we should do

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is talk, stop to think,

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and at the time that we can have our children,

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for this to be the great change that we want to see.

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A transition is not written. Luckily it is not written.

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Therefore, the transition to a resources based economy I think is going to be

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in the most unexpected way for many of us who are waiting for it.

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From the most hated kind of transition , to the most positive.

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But I think that the way, which is what we are looking for,

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is taking shape. We can see it in the world.

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There are revolts, vindications of social services.

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And in some extent we must start there.

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Claiming what the society is looking for.

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Which is, firstly our well being

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and always being next to those who are around us.

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It is said that TZM very often excludes religious people.

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But perhaps I understand religion differently.

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There are times that I can't believe in something I don't see.

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But I do believe in those around me and I help them.

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Maybe that which some call God is within us helping others.

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So that is the way, or the first step, towards transition.

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For everybody? - No, about how you see the work issue in Spain.

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Which one? Social?

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They ask this in every country. It is not because there have been revolts in Spain now.

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What is the situation...? - Yes, in regards to the economic collapse.

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How do you see it in general. Economic, politic, social situation.

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I think it is very complicated to talk about a situation in a specific country.

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We live in a global economy. Everything you do here affects any kind of country.

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Unfortunately, many people wakes up checking their shares; if they are up or down.

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But in reality, nor in Spain or in any other country

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the shares in a stock market are the reality that we live.

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No matter how much the shares go up,

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there will still be people on the streets, unemployment, we are going to continue to live

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in a situation that is not real.

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If we want abundance in every country, why do we have to lower our head

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every time that we walk throught the streets of the center of every important province in Spain?

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Every time that we see someone begging?

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It is critical, isn't it? that we start trying to urge people to see

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that every country's situation is linked.

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And that the same way that it has happened with the social movement here in Spain,

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which has triggered a series of movements in other countries,

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maybe we can do something like it, similar, with TZM, the same way that we are already doing it.

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The situation is not local, it is global.

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So, once again, whether the shares go up or down, we are going to continue in the same situation.

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The bed doesn't move. Your job doesn't move

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and I think that 90% of us carries on living in the same situation

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no matter how the shares in Wall St or Madrid's stock market vary.

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But that they don't have...?

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The people who don't (unintelligible)

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For everyone?

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But not like...

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But like... a hug? or like... come here? It is complicated.

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Yes, not like something propagandistic...

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Exactly, is just that...

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Most people talk about something specific. Something that they think important, ...(unintelligible)...

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Why is it important for people to understand the movement?

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... yes but....

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... something that is important for you.

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Yes, but something that doesn't necessarily have to do with the movement.

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Right, it doesn't have to. Something that you would like to tell...

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For example, why do we have to change the system, change ourselves, and so on?

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I am thinking.

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It is difficult.

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It doesn't have to be related to the movement, right?

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Two left

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Stop the world, I'm getting off

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There?

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But do I have to look there?

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Ask me something Ian, because I can't think of an answer.

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Something you'd talk about if you had a minute in the TV at prime time.

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I would talk about TZM...

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Or something like why it is important to join the movement, something like that...

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But it is not important to join the movement.

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... (unintelligible)...It is important is to commit... (gives unintelligible example of what someone else said)

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...but I don't want to condition you.

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I don't know...

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You can try and then we move on to something else.

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Can I look at you?... At the camera?

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(instructions re: cameras)

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Can I put my eyes with your eyes?

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Or at the camera?

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When we analyze problems, one of the parts that perhaps

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we don't fully understand is the root of those problems.

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Maybe we are used to our problems being solved for us. It is much easier, maybe, to move forward like that.

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But it is much more important to learn to solve a problem.

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Learning to solve a problem means to dive right into that problem.

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Many times we take the easy route and we don't teach how to learn.

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To read, to understand the concepts... no... it is not good... I don't know, I don't know.

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I wanted to talk about education. I was going to talk about education.

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Because I just happen to have had a course with immigrants that has motivated me a lot, but...

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A sentence or two?

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I am blocked.

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Think that is it not just about what you have to say.... but in a global sense...

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A sentence that motivates you and could motivate people like you.

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One of the most important sides that perhaps we don't grasp is that we have... (interrupted)

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OK. Now that I was getting started... Now I'm facing the sun.

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We have to help people understand many things

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that they might not be able to understand on their own.

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Education, knowing how to teach, not being selfish with your knowledge,

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Knowing how to raise an idea so everyone can collaborate and make a great project out of it

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is one of the most beautiful things that I have found in TZM.

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To plant a seed and find a tree after showing my friends what I wanted or the idea I had

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has been one of the things that has fulfilled me the most in this movement.

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And therefore, why not carry on planting seeds and be able to find a forest?

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OK? Well...

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It was very good!

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It did come out! Right? I was trying to...