1 00:00:09,459 --> 00:00:14,751 I chose a profession that allows me to go places you can't go. 2 00:00:14,763 --> 00:00:17,503 I am a photojournalist. 3 00:00:17,504 --> 00:00:20,266 My job is also sometimes to show you 4 00:00:20,267 --> 00:00:24,262 things you don't want to see. 5 00:00:24,263 --> 00:00:29,261 Ironically, my job is to show you the gray areas. 6 00:00:29,262 --> 00:00:33,018 For me, it all started in Afghanistan in 2004. 7 00:00:33,019 --> 00:00:38,036 I showed up very biased, full of preconceived ideas, 8 00:00:38,037 --> 00:00:41,261 and honestly, that worked well for me. 9 00:00:41,262 --> 00:00:45,761 The next year, I got caught in a suicide bombing. 10 00:00:45,762 --> 00:00:49,993 Miraculously I came out uninjured, 11 00:00:49,994 --> 00:00:52,802 but I got a tough reality check. 12 00:00:53,722 --> 00:00:59,248 In 2006 I was embedded with U.S. soldiers. 13 00:00:59,249 --> 00:01:00,770 I didn't know them, 14 00:01:00,771 --> 00:01:03,776 but I couldn't stand them, I hated them. 15 00:01:03,777 --> 00:01:09,541 For me they were brutes who were mistreating the Afghans. 16 00:01:09,542 --> 00:01:13,253 Stuck there together, we waited. 17 00:01:13,254 --> 00:01:15,965 We waited for something to happen, 18 00:01:15,966 --> 00:01:20,528 and eventually, I started to think they were nice, funny, 19 00:01:20,529 --> 00:01:23,760 I started to become attached to them. 20 00:01:23,761 --> 00:01:29,033 But one evening Mike, at only 19, burst out laughing and told me: 21 00:01:29,034 --> 00:01:32,511 "Once I fired a missile at a guy. 22 00:01:32,512 --> 00:01:34,629 I thought he was a member of the Taliban. 23 00:01:34,630 --> 00:01:38,264 He turned into a flaming torch and ran around like a crazy chicken." 24 00:01:38,265 --> 00:01:40,735 Everyone laughed, 25 00:01:40,736 --> 00:01:44,510 but it didn't make me laugh. 26 00:01:44,511 --> 00:01:49,261 Yet, I came to realize that with time, war dehumanizes the enemy 27 00:01:49,271 --> 00:01:53,253 and makes the person on the other mean nothing. 28 00:01:53,254 --> 00:01:58,500 And yet, I met that person on the other side. 29 00:01:58,501 --> 00:02:03,668 Eric de la Varenne, Claire Billet, and I were the first westerners 30 00:02:03,686 --> 00:02:06,273 to meet members of the Taliban. 31 00:02:06,292 --> 00:02:10,264 Claire and I had to wear our burkas. 32 00:02:10,265 --> 00:02:13,275 Here's my secret to make the fenced-in vision more bearable, 33 00:02:13,276 --> 00:02:15,023 I have a little trick. 34 00:02:15,024 --> 00:02:18,522 I crank my iPod up the whole way with Madonna's "Like a virgin." 35 00:02:18,523 --> 00:02:21,771 That's my little revenge. 36 00:02:21,772 --> 00:02:25,030 After a long road traveled in silence 37 00:02:25,031 --> 00:02:27,783 and in sweltering heat, 38 00:02:27,784 --> 00:02:33,505 finally, there they were, it was really them. 39 00:02:33,506 --> 00:02:36,268 The young soldiers come towards us 40 00:02:36,269 --> 00:02:39,750 and welcome us with cakes and juice, 41 00:02:39,751 --> 00:02:43,491 and then start taking selfies with us and laughing. 42 00:02:43,492 --> 00:02:47,000 They used their limited supply of English words, 43 00:02:47,001 --> 00:02:49,520 we all ended up relaxing, and all of a sudden 44 00:02:49,521 --> 00:02:53,249 (Music) 45 00:02:53,250 --> 00:02:55,791 one of their ringtones. 46 00:02:55,792 --> 00:02:57,041 (Laughter) 47 00:02:57,042 --> 00:02:59,512 These were the Taliban? 48 00:02:59,513 --> 00:03:03,082 In reality, I was most shocked 49 00:03:03,083 --> 00:03:09,458 by the things the young American GIs and the young insurgents had in common. 50 00:03:09,473 --> 00:03:15,504 So I made a choice that may be offensive or unsettling, but that I find relevant 51 00:03:15,505 --> 00:03:19,496 to highlight the similarities of these enemies, 52 00:03:19,497 --> 00:03:24,499 even though these enemies don't think of each other as people. 53 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:30,523 But it's a war, and in a war, there are victims. 54 00:03:30,524 --> 00:03:32,526 August 18, 2008, 55 00:03:32,542 --> 00:03:38,280 ten French soldiers and their fixer were killed in an ambush in Uzbin. 56 00:03:38,281 --> 00:03:42,766 I was sent to cover the Afghan side. 57 00:03:42,767 --> 00:03:46,011 Experience has taught me that after every attack, 58 00:03:46,012 --> 00:03:48,508 there is an air strike retaliation. 59 00:03:48,509 --> 00:03:53,273 Three villages near where the ambush took place were bombed. 60 00:03:53,274 --> 00:03:58,125 There were casualties, civilian casualties. 61 00:03:59,755 --> 00:04:04,797 I had to go to the site, but the zone was controlled by the Taliban, 62 00:04:04,798 --> 00:04:08,509 so I had to request their permission. 63 00:04:08,510 --> 00:04:10,500 And it starts all over again: 64 00:04:10,501 --> 00:04:14,252 a burka, a long road, an escort, 65 00:04:14,258 --> 00:04:17,761 and anxiety, I'm scared. 66 00:04:17,762 --> 00:04:20,764 And all of a sudden, there are silhouettes descending the hill. 67 00:04:20,765 --> 00:04:22,812 It's them. 68 00:04:24,242 --> 00:04:28,260 I explain my plan to the leader, but he refuses. 69 00:04:28,261 --> 00:04:33,513 I insist, and then I notice that one of them 70 00:04:33,514 --> 00:04:36,754 is carrying a weapon that seems really modern. 71 00:04:36,755 --> 00:04:39,262 I ask him what it is. 72 00:04:39,263 --> 00:04:45,279 He replies that it's one of the weapons taken from the body of a slain soldier. 73 00:04:47,246 --> 00:04:49,498 In fact, without knowing it, 74 00:04:49,499 --> 00:04:55,020 I had come face to face with the insurgents responsible for the ambush. 75 00:04:57,780 --> 00:05:01,764 So, for taking the photos you just saw, 76 00:05:01,765 --> 00:05:04,239 I received death threats. 77 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,255 My parents received terrible letters, 78 00:05:07,256 --> 00:05:09,752 and they even lost friends. 79 00:05:09,753 --> 00:05:14,764 I was accused of having paid the Taliban 50,000 euros 80 00:05:14,765 --> 00:05:18,221 which of course is stupid and completely unrealistic. 81 00:05:18,222 --> 00:05:22,530 For one thing, for ethical reasons we never pay the people we photograph. 82 00:05:22,531 --> 00:05:27,773 Secondly, our reporters never walk around with that much money on them. 83 00:05:27,774 --> 00:05:32,278 I have also been accused of spreading their propaganda. 84 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,508 On that point, let's be clear. 85 00:05:34,509 --> 00:05:39,007 Whenever a group, whether it's the Taliban or even the army, 86 00:05:39,008 --> 00:05:41,752 decides to give a journalist some of their time, 87 00:05:41,753 --> 00:05:45,251 you can be sure they have a message to get across. 88 00:05:45,252 --> 00:05:48,257 I have also been accused of being unpatriotic 89 00:05:48,258 --> 00:05:50,775 or of betraying my country. 90 00:05:50,776 --> 00:05:56,270 Why? Because I dared to show the enemy's face? 91 00:05:56,271 --> 00:05:59,769 Well, I don't believe I disrespected the lives of the fallen soldiers, 92 00:05:59,770 --> 00:06:03,779 although I understand that it could be difficult for their families, 93 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:06,049 yet some parents thanked me 94 00:06:06,050 --> 00:06:09,749 because they were longing for the truth even if it hurt. 95 00:06:11,249 --> 00:06:13,738 In no way do I seek to justify 96 00:06:13,739 --> 00:06:16,764 the horrible acts committed by the Taliban. 97 00:06:16,765 --> 00:06:20,270 I just want to give you as much information as I can 98 00:06:20,271 --> 00:06:24,046 so you can have the facts to come to your own conclusions. 99 00:06:25,242 --> 00:06:27,510 It's true it would be simpler 100 00:06:27,511 --> 00:06:30,513 if everyone in the world was either a good guy or a bad guy, 101 00:06:30,514 --> 00:06:35,263 but this is war, and in war, that's rarely the case. 102 00:06:35,264 --> 00:06:38,250 War is neither black nor white, 103 00:06:38,251 --> 00:06:41,272 it's dirty, it's gray. 104 00:06:42,247 --> 00:06:47,496 In fact, I've seen these gray areas in many other countries. 105 00:06:47,497 --> 00:06:50,784 In particular in the Niger delta, 106 00:06:50,785 --> 00:06:53,495 an area ruined by oil. 107 00:06:53,496 --> 00:06:56,759 Nothing grows there, and there's nothing to fish. 108 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,504 Meanwhile, the local rulers fill their pockets. 109 00:07:01,505 --> 00:07:07,495 That's when MEND came along: the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta. 110 00:07:07,496 --> 00:07:12,334 They hide out in the mangrove swamp, and their thing is kidnapping, 111 00:07:12,335 --> 00:07:17,077 attacking oil rigs, and controlling the black market for oil. 112 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,209 Both Manon Quérouil, the journalist I work with, and I 113 00:07:23,209 --> 00:07:26,501 really wanted to meet Ateke, 114 00:07:26,508 --> 00:07:30,260 one of the big leaders of these modern day so-called Robin Hoods. 115 00:07:30,261 --> 00:07:34,081 So, as you can see, the Robin Hood we ended up meeting 116 00:07:34,082 --> 00:07:37,763 was short, chubby, and uninspiring. 117 00:07:39,042 --> 00:07:44,167 He welcomed us sprawled out on his sofa with a lukewarm bottle of Veuve Clicquot. 118 00:07:45,278 --> 00:07:48,790 In fact, for some time now, things are much easier for them 119 00:07:48,791 --> 00:07:52,008 because they are paid directly by the oil companies 120 00:07:52,009 --> 00:07:53,511 so they won't attack them. 121 00:07:53,512 --> 00:07:58,760 So they have lots of cash, and they're just bored. 122 00:07:58,761 --> 00:08:02,003 Girls from the area, drawn by the goose with the golden eggs, 123 00:08:02,004 --> 00:08:04,259 come to entertain these men. 124 00:08:04,260 --> 00:08:09,776 Incidentally, this little chubby man fell for my friend. 125 00:08:09,777 --> 00:08:12,082 I had to be the big sister, and explain to him 126 00:08:12,083 --> 00:08:14,756 that in France we get married before we sleep together. 127 00:08:14,757 --> 00:08:17,481 Well, he seemed a little doubtful, 128 00:08:17,482 --> 00:08:19,755 but he finally accepted to send us back to town 129 00:08:19,756 --> 00:08:22,219 so we could have a girls' shopping trip. 130 00:08:22,220 --> 00:08:26,418 Needless to say, Ateke is still waiting for his runaway fiancee. 131 00:08:27,508 --> 00:08:31,750 Ateke, who was long public enemy number one, 132 00:08:31,751 --> 00:08:36,748 today is a close friend of the new president, Jonathan Goodluck, 133 00:08:36,749 --> 00:08:41,260 and, apparently, one of the country's wealthiest men. 134 00:08:41,261 --> 00:08:45,849 So in fact these Robin Hoods, are just regular thugs? 135 00:08:47,250 --> 00:08:51,542 Black and white is for fairy tales, real life comes in color. 136 00:08:51,566 --> 00:08:55,986 It's more troubling, more complicated, but it's more interesting. 137 00:08:57,265 --> 00:09:02,246 And Nigeria is very familiar with these complex situations. 138 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:07,667 I was able to see this again working on a report in the north on Boko Haram. 139 00:09:09,238 --> 00:09:12,999 Manon and I were not able to meet them, 140 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,453 but we came to realize that Boko Haram's roots 141 00:09:17,454 --> 00:09:21,508 were much more complex and much older than they seemed. 142 00:09:21,509 --> 00:09:26,965 In fact, for over ten years now, a real war is being waged 143 00:09:26,966 --> 00:09:31,291 between the Nigerian army and Boko Haram. 144 00:09:31,292 --> 00:09:34,782 And it's a war without mercy; an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. 145 00:09:34,783 --> 00:09:39,798 The Nigerian army burns madrassas, Boko Haram burns schools. 146 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:42,756 The Nigerian army abducts women and children 147 00:09:42,757 --> 00:09:45,525 suspected to have ties with members of the sect, 148 00:09:45,526 --> 00:09:48,511 Boko Haram abducts young girls. 149 00:09:49,751 --> 00:09:51,947 The truth is that the north of the country 150 00:09:51,948 --> 00:09:56,285 was completely abandoned by the government in the south. 151 00:09:56,286 --> 00:10:00,515 The northerners, left to their own defenses, naturally, became resentful. 152 00:10:00,516 --> 00:10:06,044 Boko Haram took advantage of this resentment to draw in the youth; 153 00:10:06,045 --> 00:10:10,508 and the near criminal behavior of this corrupt army 154 00:10:10,509 --> 00:10:15,586 led to a series of abominations each one more tragic than the last, 155 00:10:15,587 --> 00:10:20,256 until, as we all remember, the abduction of 219 high school girls 156 00:10:20,257 --> 00:10:24,237 that finally managed to get our attention. 157 00:10:24,238 --> 00:10:28,764 So, let us be clear: nothing we were able to discover 158 00:10:28,765 --> 00:10:33,520 justified the abduction and enslavement of young girls. 159 00:10:33,521 --> 00:10:38,335 Seeking out the enemy does not mean defending them, 160 00:10:38,336 --> 00:10:43,512 and I do not want to become a spokesperson for the Taliban, MEND, or Boko Haram. 161 00:10:43,513 --> 00:10:48,635 I am in no way trying to justify or defend their revolting actions, 162 00:10:48,636 --> 00:10:51,551 I just want to allow you to understand them better, 163 00:10:51,552 --> 00:10:57,275 so you might have the knowledge, to think in an informed manner. 164 00:10:57,276 --> 00:10:59,251 Because I believe that sometimes, 165 00:10:59,252 --> 00:11:03,788 knowing more, understanding better, helps in finding the solution, 166 00:11:03,789 --> 00:11:06,513 and that many errors could have been avoided 167 00:11:06,514 --> 00:11:10,233 with a better understanding of the people and the territory. 168 00:11:10,234 --> 00:11:13,522 So we clearly see that black and white doesn't work 169 00:11:13,523 --> 00:11:19,519 because in Afghanistan, the youth fighting on both sides are not that different. 170 00:11:20,705 --> 00:11:25,775 Because MEND and other Robin Hoods are thugs like any other, 171 00:11:25,776 --> 00:11:30,522 because the roots of Boko Haram are very complex. 172 00:11:30,523 --> 00:11:35,909 So, it's true that black and white is nicer, it's more elegant, 173 00:11:35,910 --> 00:11:38,514 but it's simplistic, and most of all, it's false. 174 00:11:38,515 --> 00:11:44,631 Color is not an absolute, it's more blurred, but it's closer to reality. 175 00:11:44,632 --> 00:11:48,525 So I want to continue to introduce you to these insurgents, 176 00:11:48,526 --> 00:11:51,759 these revolutionaries, these terrorists, 177 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,785 so that you can come to informed conclusions. 178 00:11:58,775 --> 00:12:02,761 That is why we reporters are there, 179 00:12:02,762 --> 00:12:05,515 and sometimes risk our lives. 180 00:12:05,516 --> 00:12:08,772 We go where you cannot go, 181 00:12:08,773 --> 00:12:13,417 show you what, sometimes, you don't want to see. 182 00:12:13,418 --> 00:12:17,261 You have a right to know the truth, so demand it. 183 00:12:17,262 --> 00:12:18,854 (Applause)