WEBVTT 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:27.041 Did you know that 15 minutes of stress are enough to change the sex 00:00:27.041 --> 00:00:29.362 of some regions of the brain? 00:00:29.362 --> 00:00:36.911 From the male form to the female form or from the female form to the male form? 00:00:36.911 --> 00:00:40.471 I didn't know that either, but when I discovered this fact 00:00:40.471 --> 00:00:46.606 it transformed the way I was thinking about sex and brain. 00:00:46.606 --> 00:00:48.692 It all started about four years ago 00:00:48.701 --> 00:00:52.243 when I decided to give a course on the psychology of gender. 00:00:52.243 --> 00:00:56.583 I stayed home for almost a year and read books and scientific papers 00:00:56.583 --> 00:01:01.253 on the development of men and women from the moment of conception. 00:01:01.253 --> 00:01:04.068 As a neuroscientist I was, of course, interested 00:01:04.068 --> 00:01:06.981 in the relation between sex and brain. 00:01:06.981 --> 00:01:11.474 I soon found out that many scientists, just like most of us, 00:01:11.493 --> 00:01:14.813 believe that there are male brains and female brains, 00:01:14.813 --> 00:01:18.160 and that this is the reason for the fundamental differences 00:01:18.160 --> 00:01:20.630 between men and women. 00:01:20.639 --> 00:01:23.509 According to a very popular version of this story, 00:01:23.518 --> 00:01:26.338 the female brain has a large emotion center 00:01:26.338 --> 00:01:31.506 and a large communications center; it is hard-wired for empathy. 00:01:31.506 --> 00:01:34.985 The male brain, on the other hand, has a large aggression center, 00:01:34.985 --> 00:01:41.784 and a large sex center; it is hard-wired for building systems. 00:01:41.784 --> 00:01:47.561 Maybe you thought of something else but this is a scientific theory after all. 00:01:47.561 --> 00:01:49.879 (Laughter) 00:01:49.890 --> 00:01:53.962 This is a very popular theory or very popular story, because it gives us 00:01:53.982 --> 00:01:57.490 a very simple explanation to the world we live in. 00:01:57.494 --> 00:02:01.507 It explains why women are more sensitive and emotional 00:02:01.507 --> 00:02:04.090 and men more aggressive and sexual. 00:02:04.098 --> 00:02:09.516 Why most teachers are women and most engineers men. 00:02:09.516 --> 00:02:15.026 Already in the womb, the story continues, the huge surge of testosterone 00:02:15.026 --> 00:02:18.400 transforms the brain of the male fetus 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:21.972 from the default female form to the male form. 00:02:21.972 --> 00:02:29.212 So boys are born with a male brain and girls are born with a female brain. 00:02:29.220 --> 00:02:32.662 Whereas the notion of a male brain and a female brain 00:02:32.662 --> 00:02:36.982 fits well the popular view of men from Mars, women from Venus, 00:02:36.982 --> 00:02:41.746 it does not fit scientific data, which tell us that men and women 00:02:41.746 --> 00:02:44.895 are remarkably similar. 00:02:44.895 --> 00:02:50.928 In the past 50 years or so, over 50,000 papers have been published 00:02:50.928 --> 00:02:54.227 on sex differences in psychology. 00:02:54.227 --> 00:02:56.976 I haven't read them all, even a year is not enough, 00:02:56.994 --> 00:03:02.621 but others have and their conclusion based on this enormous number of studies 00:03:02.621 --> 00:03:05.556 is that men and women are highly similar 00:03:05.556 --> 00:03:08.887 in almost everything psychologists can measure. 00:03:08.887 --> 00:03:11.765 Intellectual abilities, cognitive abilities, 00:03:11.765 --> 00:03:15.121 emotional abilities, personality characteristics, 00:03:15.121 --> 00:03:17.611 interest and attitudes. 00:03:17.616 --> 00:03:23.283 There are only a few domains in which consistent sex differences are found. 00:03:23.283 --> 00:03:24.864 For example, 00:03:24.864 --> 00:03:28.785 men are on average, not all of them, but on average, more aggressive 00:03:28.787 --> 00:03:33.079 than women. So we call aggression a masculine trait. 00:03:33.079 --> 00:03:36.458 Women are on average more compassionate than men, 00:03:36.458 --> 00:03:39.290 so we call this the feminine trait. 00:03:39.302 --> 00:03:46.063 But also in these domains men and women are highly similar, 00:03:46.063 --> 00:03:49.733 and the differences are very small. 00:03:49.733 --> 00:03:56.343 Even more important, we now know that each of us is a unique mosaic 00:03:56.356 --> 00:03:59.915 of both masculine and feminine characteristics; 00:03:59.915 --> 00:04:05.575 we are not all masculine and are not all feminine. 00:04:06.576 --> 00:04:09.310 I guess you already knew that, not about me, but about yourself, 00:04:09.310 --> 00:04:13.930 that you have a feminine side and a masculine side. 00:04:13.941 --> 00:04:17.295 I will come back to this image of ourself as a unique mosaic 00:04:17.300 --> 00:04:20.433 of masculine and feminine characteristics a little later. 00:04:20.442 --> 00:04:23.433 But now let's go back to the brain. 00:04:23.433 --> 00:04:26.123 Already at the end of the 19th century 00:04:26.123 --> 00:04:29.258 scientists discovered a difference between the brains of men 00:04:29.280 --> 00:04:31.280 and the brains of women. 00:04:31.285 --> 00:04:34.957 They discovered that the brains of men were on average larger 00:04:34.984 --> 00:04:37.107 than the brains of women. 00:04:37.107 --> 00:04:41.427 Some scientists took this as evidence to support and explain 00:04:41.444 --> 00:04:46.151 the then widely held belief that men are smarter than women. 00:04:46.151 --> 00:04:51.853 One scientist even went as far as stating that women, because of the small brain, 00:04:51.853 --> 00:04:57.749 do not have the intellectual and academic skills necessary for academic studies. 00:04:57.749 --> 00:05:01.012 If this logic sounds familiar, this is not an accident. 00:05:01.012 --> 00:05:03.754 This is the same belief we started with, 00:05:03.754 --> 00:05:06.503 that men and women are fundamentally different 00:05:06.503 --> 00:05:11.260 because men have male brains and women have female brains. 00:05:11.265 --> 00:05:16.533 However this is an old version of the myth, so it sounds absurd. 00:05:16.533 --> 00:05:19.869 Today, when women not only go to universities, 00:05:19.869 --> 00:05:23.537 but outnumber men at all level of academic studies, 00:05:23.537 --> 00:05:26.901 it sounds ridiculous that scientists could have believed 00:05:26.906 --> 00:05:30.232 that women could not go to universities because their brains 00:05:30.232 --> 00:05:34.091 were on average smaller than the brains of men. 00:05:34.091 --> 00:05:36.144 Now don't get me wrong, women’s brains 00:05:36.144 --> 00:05:38.936 are still on average smaller than men brains. 00:05:38.940 --> 00:05:41.700 What has changed is not the size of the brain; 00:05:41.700 --> 00:05:46.518 what has changed is social norms and laws that prohibited 00:05:46.518 --> 00:05:50.931 and disencouraged women from study. 00:05:51.098 --> 00:05:54.165 In the more than 100 years that have passed 00:05:54.165 --> 00:05:56.851 scientists continue to discover differences 00:05:56.851 --> 00:06:01.701 between the brains of males and females in both humans and animals. 00:06:01.701 --> 00:06:08.873 For example, compared to men, women have a thicker cortex, 00:06:08.877 --> 00:06:15.934 a higher proportion of grey matter, and a lower proportion of white matter. 00:06:15.934 --> 00:06:19.877 Compared to women, men have larger ventricles. 00:06:19.877 --> 00:06:22.575 These big holes you see in the brain. 00:06:22.582 --> 00:06:28.385 (Laughter) 00:06:28.638 --> 00:06:31.307 I see that some of you that were very happy to discover 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.242 about the fact that men have bigger brains than women 00:06:34.256 --> 00:06:38.171 are not really happy with this discovery. 00:06:38.857 --> 00:06:41.471 And I can understand this because if you believe, 00:06:41.471 --> 00:06:43.641 like the scientists from the 19th century, 00:06:43.641 --> 00:06:46.256 that the size of the brain matters, 00:06:46.260 --> 00:06:50.084 then indeed you will be embarrassed to discover that your bigger brains 00:06:50.084 --> 00:06:56.957 come together with the bigger -- what shall we call them? Empty spaces? 00:06:56.981 --> 00:07:01.772 But I want to convey the message that this is all nonsense; 00:07:01.778 --> 00:07:05.814 men do just fine with their larger ventricles. 00:07:05.814 --> 00:07:10.195 (Laughter) 00:07:10.195 --> 00:07:15.951 Just as women do just fine with their smaller brains. 00:07:16.896 --> 00:07:22.111 We now know of hundreds of differences between the brains of men and women. 00:07:22.111 --> 00:07:24.861 Not just differences in the size as I've just shown you, 00:07:24.861 --> 00:07:27.304 but also differences in the microanatomy of the brain 00:07:27.310 --> 00:07:29.881 and I'll show you an example shortly. 00:07:29.881 --> 00:07:32.737 And as more and more differences have been discovered, 00:07:32.737 --> 00:07:35.963 the belief that there is a male brain and a female brain 00:07:35.963 --> 00:07:38.577 has become stronger and stronger 00:07:38.577 --> 00:07:43.242 because everyone was taking for granted the assumption that these differences 00:07:43.242 --> 00:07:48.539 were adding one to the other as I've depicted in this figure. 00:07:48.539 --> 00:07:52.803 At first this sounded completely logical to me; 00:07:52.803 --> 00:07:56.386 there are many differences between the brains of males and females, 00:07:56.411 --> 00:08:00.726 so there must be a male brain and a female brain. 00:08:00.726 --> 00:08:04.099 But then I read the paper I told you about in the beginning, 00:08:04.099 --> 00:08:07.336 the one that found that stress can change the sex of the brain, 00:08:07.336 --> 00:08:11.453 and I realized that this logic was flawed. 00:08:11.453 --> 00:08:14.433 Let's look at this study together. 00:08:14.433 --> 00:08:18.561 In this study the researchers were interested in the effects of stress 00:08:18.561 --> 00:08:21.356 on a brain region called the hippocampus. 00:08:21.356 --> 00:08:24.316 They measured the density of dendritic spines. 00:08:24.316 --> 00:08:28.710 You see here a neuron with its dendrite 00:08:28.710 --> 00:08:32.461 and the small red dots are the dendritic spines. 00:08:32.461 --> 00:08:34.917 And here we can see an actual dendrite 00:08:34.917 --> 00:08:38.553 from a male rat and a dendrite from a female rat, 00:08:38.555 --> 00:08:42.369 and I added red arrows so it is easier to detect the spines. 00:08:42.369 --> 00:08:44.873 And we can clearly see a sex difference. 00:08:44.873 --> 00:08:49.204 Males have have fewer spines compared to females. 00:08:49.204 --> 00:08:53.066 Cherish this moment, this is the first time you actually get to see 00:08:53.068 --> 00:08:55.395 the sex difference in the brain. 00:08:55.395 --> 00:08:58.745 So we can say dendrites in this region have a male form 00:08:58.745 --> 00:09:04.191 which is sparse spines and a female form which is dense spines. 00:09:04.195 --> 00:09:06.771 There was another group of rats in this study; 00:09:06.771 --> 00:09:09.497 these rats were stressed for 15 minutes; 00:09:09.497 --> 00:09:13.745 as long as this talk, so you can think what is happening to my brain now. 00:09:13.745 --> 00:09:15.865 (Laughter) 00:09:15.872 --> 00:09:19.408 And here we can see a dendrite from a stressed male 00:09:19.408 --> 00:09:22.316 and a dendrite from a stressed female. 00:09:22.327 --> 00:09:25.753 Strangely enough, the dendrite from the stressed male 00:09:25.766 --> 00:09:31.371 has what we have just termed the female form, that is, lots of spines. 00:09:31.371 --> 00:09:33.632 And the dendrite from the stressed female 00:09:33.632 --> 00:09:39.448 has what we have just termed the male form, which is few spines. 00:09:39.449 --> 00:09:44.681 So we see that the form of dendrites in this region depends on sex; 00:09:44.681 --> 00:09:52.331 it is different in males and in females. But it does not depend only on sex. 00:09:52.331 --> 00:09:56.357 Knowing that the dendrite you are looking at is from a female 00:09:56.357 --> 00:09:59.238 is not enough to predict the form of the dendrite. 00:09:59.238 --> 00:10:02.278 whether you have few spines or lots of spines. 00:10:02.301 --> 00:10:04.973 To predict this you also need to know 00:10:04.973 --> 00:10:09.470 whether this female was under stress or wasn't. 00:10:09.470 --> 00:10:14.564 So though sex is important it is interaction of sex and environment, 00:10:14.564 --> 00:10:21.216 in this case stress, that determines the form of neurons in this region. 00:10:21.216 --> 00:10:24.582 As you may imagine, I was very surprised by this study. 00:10:24.582 --> 00:10:27.601 So I started to look for other similar studies. 00:10:27.601 --> 00:10:29.731 It wasn't really hard to find them. 00:10:29.731 --> 00:10:32.998 There were studies reporting similar effects of stress 00:10:32.998 --> 00:10:38.379 when the stress was experienced in utero, just after birth and in adulthood. 00:10:38.385 --> 00:10:41.762 There also similar effects following other manipulations. 00:10:41.762 --> 00:10:46.942 For example, whether the rats were housed individually or in groups, 00:10:46.942 --> 00:10:50.076 whether they had things to play with or didn't. 00:10:50.089 --> 00:10:54.802 The different manipulations affected many brain regions, not just the hippocampus. 00:10:54.809 --> 00:11:00.211 And many features of the brain such as the size, number of neurons 00:11:00.216 --> 00:11:04.311 and dendritic morphology as I've just shown. 00:11:04.311 --> 00:11:06.947 What was common to all of these studies 00:11:06.956 --> 00:11:10.333 was the finding that, whatever the manipulation, 00:11:10.343 --> 00:11:16.666 some features of the brain changed their sex and some didn't. 00:11:16.666 --> 00:11:20.070 You may be wondering now, "So what is the meaning 00:11:20.070 --> 00:11:22.744 of talking about the sex of a brain region, 00:11:22.748 --> 00:11:28.099 if we see that simple manipulations can reverse what is male and what is female?" 00:11:28.099 --> 00:11:31.513 You are absolutely right, it is meaningless 00:11:31.526 --> 00:11:34.631 to talk of the male form and the female form. 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:37.146 It makes much more sense, it's much more reasonable 00:11:37.146 --> 00:11:42.299 and rational to use informative terms such as sparse versus dense, 00:11:42.299 --> 00:11:45.829 high versus low, long versus short. 00:11:45.830 --> 00:11:49.265 But I will continue to use this male-female terminology, 00:11:49.265 --> 00:11:53.330 because this will help me make my point clear. 00:11:53.330 --> 00:11:56.458 Let's go back now to the male fetus, 00:11:56.458 --> 00:12:00.136 and to the testosterone surge that is transforming his brain 00:12:00.136 --> 00:12:06.883 from the female form to the male form, and not only one component, stress. 00:12:06.883 --> 00:12:11.862 Picture the fetus mother during the long weeks of pregnancy. 00:12:11.866 --> 00:12:14.030 She sometimes experiences stress, 00:12:14.030 --> 00:12:17.764 not all the time, but sometimes she experiences stress. 00:12:17.764 --> 00:12:25.125 Whenever she does some features of her fetus brain change their sex. 00:12:25.125 --> 00:12:28.691 So when her boy is born, his brain is a mosaic 00:12:28.703 --> 00:12:32.267 of both male and female characteristics. 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:34.913 This mosaic is uniquely his. 00:12:34.913 --> 00:12:38.390 Molded by the complex interactions of his hormones 00:12:38.406 --> 00:12:42.948 with the environment he has been living in up until now. 00:12:42.948 --> 00:12:46.987 The same is true for the female fetus. Her brain is also molded 00:12:46.994 --> 00:12:50.607 by complex interactions of hormones and environment, 00:12:50.613 --> 00:12:55.689 so that the little girl is also born with the mosaic or brain mosaic 00:12:55.689 --> 00:12:59.792 composed of female and male characteristics. 00:12:59.792 --> 00:13:01.598 So we see that we are already born 00:13:01.598 --> 00:13:05.864 with the brain which is neither male nor female. 00:13:05.864 --> 00:13:12.791 It is intersex that is a mixture of both male and female characteristics. 00:13:12.791 --> 00:13:18.413 This, or our, intersex brain will continue to change throughout our life 00:13:18.413 --> 00:13:22.600 as a result of our unique experiences. 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.759 We can now add to the image of ourselves as a unique mosaic 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:29.201 of masculine and feminine characteristics, 00:13:29.201 --> 00:13:32.975 our image of our brain being a unique mosaic 00:13:32.985 --> 00:13:36.988 of male and female characteristics. 00:13:36.988 --> 00:13:39.380 I will close with this. 00:13:39.380 --> 00:13:43.930 Many people believe that there are male brains and female brains, 00:13:43.930 --> 00:13:47.259 because this belief gives them an explanation 00:13:47.259 --> 00:13:49.824 to why men and women are so different, 00:13:49.830 --> 00:13:54.510 and why they should behave differently and be treated differently. 00:13:54.510 --> 00:13:57.032 I have shown you today that it is meaningless 00:13:57.032 --> 00:13:59.417 to talk of the sex of the brain. 00:13:59.417 --> 00:14:02.678 Brains do not have sex. 00:14:02.702 --> 00:14:06.527 If you must relate to the brain's sex, you can call it intersex, 00:14:06.527 --> 00:14:09.550 a mixture of male and female characteristics. 00:14:09.550 --> 00:14:13.725 There are no male brains and no female brains. 00:14:13.725 --> 00:14:18.482 Therefore, their existence cannot explain fundamental differences 00:14:18.482 --> 00:14:20.773 between men and women. 00:14:20.773 --> 00:14:23.828 Which is not really a big problem considering the fact 00:14:23.853 --> 00:14:29.259 that men and women are remarkably similar. 00:14:29.259 --> 00:14:32.049 Be yourself. (Laughter) 00:14:32.049 --> 00:14:32.920 Thank you. 00:14:32.920 --> 00:14:41.279 (Applause)