1 00:00:20,519 --> 00:00:27,041 Did you know that 15 minutes of stress are enough to change the sex 2 00:00:27,041 --> 00:00:29,362 of some regions of the brain? 3 00:00:29,362 --> 00:00:36,911 From the male form to the female form or from the female form to the male form? 4 00:00:36,911 --> 00:00:40,471 I didn't know that either, but when I discovered this fact 5 00:00:40,471 --> 00:00:46,606 it transformed the way I was thinking about sex and brain. 6 00:00:46,606 --> 00:00:48,692 It all started about four years ago 7 00:00:48,701 --> 00:00:52,243 when I decided to give a course on the psychology of gender. 8 00:00:52,243 --> 00:00:56,583 I stayed home for almost a year and read books and scientific papers 9 00:00:56,583 --> 00:01:01,253 on the development of men and women from the moment of conception. 10 00:01:01,253 --> 00:01:04,068 As a neuroscientist I was, of course, interested 11 00:01:04,068 --> 00:01:06,981 in the relation between sex and brain. 12 00:01:06,981 --> 00:01:11,474 I soon found out that many scientists, just like most of us, 13 00:01:11,493 --> 00:01:14,813 believe that there are male brains and female brains, 14 00:01:14,813 --> 00:01:18,160 and that this is the reason for the fundamental differences 15 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,630 between men and women. 16 00:01:20,639 --> 00:01:23,509 According to a very popular version of this story, 17 00:01:23,518 --> 00:01:26,338 the female brain has a large emotion center 18 00:01:26,338 --> 00:01:31,506 and a large communications center; it is hard-wired for empathy. 19 00:01:31,506 --> 00:01:34,985 The male brain, on the other hand, has a large aggression center, 20 00:01:34,985 --> 00:01:41,784 and a large sex center; it is hard-wired for building systems. 21 00:01:41,784 --> 00:01:47,561 Maybe you thought of something else but this is a scientific theory after all. 22 00:01:47,561 --> 00:01:49,879 (Laughter) 23 00:01:49,890 --> 00:01:53,962 This is a very popular theory or very popular story, because it gives us 24 00:01:53,982 --> 00:01:57,490 a very simple explanation to the world we live in. 25 00:01:57,494 --> 00:02:01,507 It explains why women are more sensitive and emotional 26 00:02:01,507 --> 00:02:04,090 and men more aggressive and sexual. 27 00:02:04,098 --> 00:02:09,516 Why most teachers are women and most engineers men. 28 00:02:09,516 --> 00:02:15,026 Already in the womb, the story continues, the huge surge of testosterone 29 00:02:15,026 --> 00:02:18,400 transforms the brain of the male fetus 30 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,972 from the default female form to the male form. 31 00:02:21,972 --> 00:02:29,212 So boys are born with a male brain and girls are born with a female brain. 32 00:02:29,220 --> 00:02:32,662 Whereas the notion of a male brain and a female brain 33 00:02:32,662 --> 00:02:36,982 fits well the popular view of men from Mars, women from Venus, 34 00:02:36,982 --> 00:02:41,746 it does not fit scientific data, which tell us that men and women 35 00:02:41,746 --> 00:02:44,895 are remarkably similar. 36 00:02:44,895 --> 00:02:50,928 In the past 50 years or so, over 50,000 papers have been published 37 00:02:50,928 --> 00:02:54,227 on sex differences in psychology. 38 00:02:54,227 --> 00:02:56,976 I haven't read them all, even a year is not enough, 39 00:02:56,994 --> 00:03:02,621 but others have and their conclusion based on this enormous number of studies 40 00:03:02,621 --> 00:03:05,556 is that men and women are highly similar 41 00:03:05,556 --> 00:03:08,887 in almost everything psychologists can measure. 42 00:03:08,887 --> 00:03:11,765 Intellectual abilities, cognitive abilities, 43 00:03:11,765 --> 00:03:15,121 emotional abilities, personality characteristics, 44 00:03:15,121 --> 00:03:17,611 interest and attitudes. 45 00:03:17,616 --> 00:03:23,283 There are only a few domains in which consistent sex differences are found. 46 00:03:23,283 --> 00:03:24,864 For example, 47 00:03:24,864 --> 00:03:28,785 men are on average, not all of them, but on average, more aggressive 48 00:03:28,787 --> 00:03:33,079 than women. So we call aggression a masculine trait. 49 00:03:33,079 --> 00:03:36,458 Women are on average more compassionate than men, 50 00:03:36,458 --> 00:03:39,290 so we call this the feminine trait. 51 00:03:39,302 --> 00:03:46,063 But also in these domains men and women are highly similar, 52 00:03:46,063 --> 00:03:49,733 and the differences are very small. 53 00:03:49,733 --> 00:03:56,343 Even more important, we now know that each of us is a unique mosaic 54 00:03:56,356 --> 00:03:59,915 of both masculine and feminine characteristics; 55 00:03:59,915 --> 00:04:05,575 we are not all masculine and are not all feminine. 56 00:04:06,576 --> 00:04:09,310 I guess you already knew that, not about me, but about yourself, 57 00:04:09,310 --> 00:04:13,930 that you have a feminine side and a masculine side. 58 00:04:13,941 --> 00:04:17,295 I will come back to this image of ourself as a unique mosaic 59 00:04:17,300 --> 00:04:20,433 of masculine and feminine characteristics a little later. 60 00:04:20,442 --> 00:04:23,433 But now let's go back to the brain. 61 00:04:23,433 --> 00:04:26,123 Already at the end of the 19th century 62 00:04:26,123 --> 00:04:29,258 scientists discovered a difference between the brains of men 63 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:31,280 and the brains of women. 64 00:04:31,285 --> 00:04:34,957 They discovered that the brains of men were on average larger 65 00:04:34,984 --> 00:04:37,107 than the brains of women. 66 00:04:37,107 --> 00:04:41,427 Some scientists took this as evidence to support and explain 67 00:04:41,444 --> 00:04:46,151 the then widely held belief that men are smarter than women. 68 00:04:46,151 --> 00:04:51,853 One scientist even went as far as stating that women, because of the small brain, 69 00:04:51,853 --> 00:04:57,749 do not have the intellectual and academic skills necessary for academic studies. 70 00:04:57,749 --> 00:05:01,012 If this logic sounds familiar, this is not an accident. 71 00:05:01,012 --> 00:05:03,754 This is the same belief we started with, 72 00:05:03,754 --> 00:05:06,503 that men and women are fundamentally different 73 00:05:06,503 --> 00:05:11,260 because men have male brains and women have female brains. 74 00:05:11,265 --> 00:05:16,533 However this is an old version of the myth, so it sounds absurd. 75 00:05:16,533 --> 00:05:19,869 Today, when women not only go to universities, 76 00:05:19,869 --> 00:05:23,537 but outnumber men at all level of academic studies, 77 00:05:23,537 --> 00:05:26,901 it sounds ridiculous that scientists could have believed 78 00:05:26,906 --> 00:05:30,232 that women could not go to universities because their brains 79 00:05:30,232 --> 00:05:34,091 were on average smaller than the brains of men. 80 00:05:34,091 --> 00:05:36,144 Now don't get me wrong, women’s brains 81 00:05:36,144 --> 00:05:38,936 are still on average smaller than men brains. 82 00:05:38,940 --> 00:05:41,700 What has changed is not the size of the brain; 83 00:05:41,700 --> 00:05:46,518 what has changed is social norms and laws that prohibited 84 00:05:46,518 --> 00:05:50,931 and disencouraged women from study. 85 00:05:51,098 --> 00:05:54,165 In the more than 100 years that have passed 86 00:05:54,165 --> 00:05:56,851 scientists continue to discover differences 87 00:05:56,851 --> 00:06:01,701 between the brains of males and females in both humans and animals. 88 00:06:01,701 --> 00:06:08,873 For example, compared to men, women have a thicker cortex, 89 00:06:08,877 --> 00:06:15,934 a higher proportion of grey matter, and a lower proportion of white matter. 90 00:06:15,934 --> 00:06:19,877 Compared to women, men have larger ventricles. 91 00:06:19,877 --> 00:06:22,575 These big holes you see in the brain. 92 00:06:22,582 --> 00:06:28,385 (Laughter) 93 00:06:28,638 --> 00:06:31,307 I see that some of you that were very happy to discover 94 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:34,242 about the fact that men have bigger brains than women 95 00:06:34,256 --> 00:06:38,171 are not really happy with this discovery. 96 00:06:38,857 --> 00:06:41,471 And I can understand this because if you believe, 97 00:06:41,471 --> 00:06:43,641 like the scientists from the 19th century, 98 00:06:43,641 --> 00:06:46,256 that the size of the brain matters, 99 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:50,084 then indeed you will be embarrassed to discover that your bigger brains 100 00:06:50,084 --> 00:06:56,957 come together with the bigger -- what shall we call them? Empty spaces? 101 00:06:56,981 --> 00:07:01,772 But I want to convey the message that this is all nonsense; 102 00:07:01,778 --> 00:07:05,814 men do just fine with their larger ventricles. 103 00:07:05,814 --> 00:07:10,195 (Laughter) 104 00:07:10,195 --> 00:07:15,951 Just as women do just fine with their smaller brains. 105 00:07:16,896 --> 00:07:22,111 We now know of hundreds of differences between the brains of men and women. 106 00:07:22,111 --> 00:07:24,861 Not just differences in the size as I've just shown you, 107 00:07:24,861 --> 00:07:27,304 but also differences in the microanatomy of the brain 108 00:07:27,310 --> 00:07:29,881 and I'll show you an example shortly. 109 00:07:29,881 --> 00:07:32,737 And as more and more differences have been discovered, 110 00:07:32,737 --> 00:07:35,963 the belief that there is a male brain and a female brain 111 00:07:35,963 --> 00:07:38,577 has become stronger and stronger 112 00:07:38,577 --> 00:07:43,242 because everyone was taking for granted the assumption that these differences 113 00:07:43,242 --> 00:07:48,539 were adding one to the other as I've depicted in this figure. 114 00:07:48,539 --> 00:07:52,803 At first this sounded completely logical to me; 115 00:07:52,803 --> 00:07:56,386 there are many differences between the brains of males and females, 116 00:07:56,411 --> 00:08:00,726 so there must be a male brain and a female brain. 117 00:08:00,726 --> 00:08:04,099 But then I read the paper I told you about in the beginning, 118 00:08:04,099 --> 00:08:07,336 the one that found that stress can change the sex of the brain, 119 00:08:07,336 --> 00:08:11,453 and I realized that this logic was flawed. 120 00:08:11,453 --> 00:08:14,433 Let's look at this study together. 121 00:08:14,433 --> 00:08:18,561 In this study the researchers were interested in the effects of stress 122 00:08:18,561 --> 00:08:21,356 on a brain region called the hippocampus. 123 00:08:21,356 --> 00:08:24,316 They measured the density of dendritic spines. 124 00:08:24,316 --> 00:08:28,710 You see here a neuron with its dendrite 125 00:08:28,710 --> 00:08:32,461 and the small red dots are the dendritic spines. 126 00:08:32,461 --> 00:08:34,917 And here we can see an actual dendrite 127 00:08:34,917 --> 00:08:38,553 from a male rat and a dendrite from a female rat, 128 00:08:38,555 --> 00:08:42,369 and I added red arrows so it is easier to detect the spines. 129 00:08:42,369 --> 00:08:44,873 And we can clearly see a sex difference. 130 00:08:44,873 --> 00:08:49,204 Males have have fewer spines compared to females. 131 00:08:49,204 --> 00:08:53,066 Cherish this moment, this is the first time you actually get to see 132 00:08:53,068 --> 00:08:55,395 the sex difference in the brain. 133 00:08:55,395 --> 00:08:58,745 So we can say dendrites in this region have a male form 134 00:08:58,745 --> 00:09:04,191 which is sparse spines and a female form which is dense spines. 135 00:09:04,195 --> 00:09:06,771 There was another group of rats in this study; 136 00:09:06,771 --> 00:09:09,497 these rats were stressed for 15 minutes; 137 00:09:09,497 --> 00:09:13,745 as long as this talk, so you can think what is happening to my brain now. 138 00:09:13,745 --> 00:09:15,865 (Laughter) 139 00:09:15,872 --> 00:09:19,408 And here we can see a dendrite from a stressed male 140 00:09:19,408 --> 00:09:22,316 and a dendrite from a stressed female. 141 00:09:22,327 --> 00:09:25,753 Strangely enough, the dendrite from the stressed male 142 00:09:25,766 --> 00:09:31,371 has what we have just termed the female form, that is, lots of spines. 143 00:09:31,371 --> 00:09:33,632 And the dendrite from the stressed female 144 00:09:33,632 --> 00:09:39,448 has what we have just termed the male form, which is few spines. 145 00:09:39,449 --> 00:09:44,681 So we see that the form of dendrites in this region depends on sex; 146 00:09:44,681 --> 00:09:52,331 it is different in males and in females. But it does not depend only on sex. 147 00:09:52,331 --> 00:09:56,357 Knowing that the dendrite you are looking at is from a female 148 00:09:56,357 --> 00:09:59,238 is not enough to predict the form of the dendrite. 149 00:09:59,238 --> 00:10:02,278 whether you have few spines or lots of spines. 150 00:10:02,301 --> 00:10:04,973 To predict this you also need to know 151 00:10:04,973 --> 00:10:09,470 whether this female was under stress or wasn't. 152 00:10:09,470 --> 00:10:14,564 So though sex is important it is interaction of sex and environment, 153 00:10:14,564 --> 00:10:21,216 in this case stress, that determines the form of neurons in this region. 154 00:10:21,216 --> 00:10:24,582 As you may imagine, I was very surprised by this study. 155 00:10:24,582 --> 00:10:27,601 So I started to look for other similar studies. 156 00:10:27,601 --> 00:10:29,731 It wasn't really hard to find them. 157 00:10:29,731 --> 00:10:32,998 There were studies reporting similar effects of stress 158 00:10:32,998 --> 00:10:38,379 when the stress was experienced in utero, just after birth and in adulthood. 159 00:10:38,385 --> 00:10:41,762 There also similar effects following other manipulations. 160 00:10:41,762 --> 00:10:46,942 For example, whether the rats were housed individually or in groups, 161 00:10:46,942 --> 00:10:50,076 whether they had things to play with or didn't. 162 00:10:50,089 --> 00:10:54,802 The different manipulations affected many brain regions, not just the hippocampus. 163 00:10:54,809 --> 00:11:00,211 And many features of the brain such as the size, number of neurons 164 00:11:00,216 --> 00:11:04,311 and dendritic morphology as I've just shown. 165 00:11:04,311 --> 00:11:06,947 What was common to all of these studies 166 00:11:06,956 --> 00:11:10,333 was the finding that, whatever the manipulation, 167 00:11:10,343 --> 00:11:16,666 some features of the brain changed their sex and some didn't. 168 00:11:16,666 --> 00:11:20,070 You may be wondering now, "So what is the meaning 169 00:11:20,070 --> 00:11:22,744 of talking about the sex of a brain region, 170 00:11:22,748 --> 00:11:28,099 if we see that simple manipulations can reverse what is male and what is female?" 171 00:11:28,099 --> 00:11:31,513 You are absolutely right, it is meaningless 172 00:11:31,526 --> 00:11:34,631 to talk of the male form and the female form. 173 00:11:34,639 --> 00:11:37,146 It makes much more sense, it's much more reasonable 174 00:11:37,146 --> 00:11:42,299 and rational to use informative terms such as sparse versus dense, 175 00:11:42,299 --> 00:11:45,829 high versus low, long versus short. 176 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:49,265 But I will continue to use this male-female terminology, 177 00:11:49,265 --> 00:11:53,330 because this will help me make my point clear. 178 00:11:53,330 --> 00:11:56,458 Let's go back now to the male fetus, 179 00:11:56,458 --> 00:12:00,136 and to the testosterone surge that is transforming his brain 180 00:12:00,136 --> 00:12:06,883 from the female form to the male form, and not only one component, stress. 181 00:12:06,883 --> 00:12:11,862 Picture the fetus mother during the long weeks of pregnancy. 182 00:12:11,866 --> 00:12:14,030 She sometimes experiences stress, 183 00:12:14,030 --> 00:12:17,764 not all the time, but sometimes she experiences stress. 184 00:12:17,764 --> 00:12:25,125 Whenever she does some features of her fetus brain change their sex. 185 00:12:25,125 --> 00:12:28,691 So when her boy is born, his brain is a mosaic 186 00:12:28,703 --> 00:12:32,267 of both male and female characteristics. 187 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:34,913 This mosaic is uniquely his. 188 00:12:34,913 --> 00:12:38,390 Molded by the complex interactions of his hormones 189 00:12:38,406 --> 00:12:42,948 with the environment he has been living in up until now. 190 00:12:42,948 --> 00:12:46,987 The same is true for the female fetus. Her brain is also molded 191 00:12:46,994 --> 00:12:50,607 by complex interactions of hormones and environment, 192 00:12:50,613 --> 00:12:55,689 so that the little girl is also born with the mosaic or brain mosaic 193 00:12:55,689 --> 00:12:59,792 composed of female and male characteristics. 194 00:12:59,792 --> 00:13:01,598 So we see that we are already born 195 00:13:01,598 --> 00:13:05,864 with the brain which is neither male nor female. 196 00:13:05,864 --> 00:13:12,791 It is intersex that is a mixture of both male and female characteristics. 197 00:13:12,791 --> 00:13:18,413 This, or our, intersex brain will continue to change throughout our life 198 00:13:18,413 --> 00:13:22,600 as a result of our unique experiences. 199 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,759 We can now add to the image of ourselves as a unique mosaic 200 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:29,201 of masculine and feminine characteristics, 201 00:13:29,201 --> 00:13:32,975 our image of our brain being a unique mosaic 202 00:13:32,985 --> 00:13:36,988 of male and female characteristics. 203 00:13:36,988 --> 00:13:39,380 I will close with this. 204 00:13:39,380 --> 00:13:43,930 Many people believe that there are male brains and female brains, 205 00:13:43,930 --> 00:13:47,259 because this belief gives them an explanation 206 00:13:47,259 --> 00:13:49,824 to why men and women are so different, 207 00:13:49,830 --> 00:13:54,510 and why they should behave differently and be treated differently. 208 00:13:54,510 --> 00:13:57,032 I have shown you today that it is meaningless 209 00:13:57,032 --> 00:13:59,417 to talk of the sex of the brain. 210 00:13:59,417 --> 00:14:02,678 Brains do not have sex. 211 00:14:02,702 --> 00:14:06,527 If you must relate to the brain's sex, you can call it intersex, 212 00:14:06,527 --> 00:14:09,550 a mixture of male and female characteristics. 213 00:14:09,550 --> 00:14:13,725 There are no male brains and no female brains. 214 00:14:13,725 --> 00:14:18,482 Therefore, their existence cannot explain fundamental differences 215 00:14:18,482 --> 00:14:20,773 between men and women. 216 00:14:20,773 --> 00:14:23,828 Which is not really a big problem considering the fact 217 00:14:23,853 --> 00:14:29,259 that men and women are remarkably similar. 218 00:14:29,259 --> 00:14:32,049 Be yourself. (Laughter) 219 00:14:32,049 --> 00:14:32,920 Thank you. 220 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:41,279 (Applause)