1 00:00:00,357 --> 00:00:04,222 I'm going to talk about religion. 2 00:00:04,222 --> 00:00:09,474 But it's a broad and very delicate subject, 3 00:00:09,474 --> 00:00:11,145 so I have to limit myself. 4 00:00:11,145 --> 00:00:13,625 And therefore I will limit myself 5 00:00:13,625 --> 00:00:18,034 to only talk about the links between religion and sexuality. 6 00:00:18,034 --> 00:00:19,600 (Laughter) 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,160 This is a very serious talk. 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,255 So I will talk of what I remember as the most wonderful. 9 00:00:26,255 --> 00:00:28,600 It's when the young couple whisper, 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,772 "Tonight we are going to make a baby." 11 00:00:31,772 --> 00:00:37,108 My talk will be about the impact of religions 12 00:00:37,108 --> 00:00:41,277 on the number of babies per woman. 13 00:00:41,277 --> 00:00:42,942 This is indeed important, 14 00:00:42,942 --> 00:00:44,472 because everyone understands 15 00:00:44,472 --> 00:00:46,754 that there is some sort of limit 16 00:00:46,754 --> 00:00:49,982 on how many people we can be on this planet. 17 00:00:49,982 --> 00:00:51,929 And there are some people 18 00:00:51,929 --> 00:00:55,348 who say that the world population is growing like this -- 19 00:00:55,348 --> 00:00:57,155 three billion in 1960, 20 00:00:57,155 --> 00:00:59,794 seven billion just last year -- 21 00:00:59,794 --> 00:01:01,340 and it will continue to grow 22 00:01:01,340 --> 00:01:05,120 because there are religions that stop women from having few babies, 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,523 and it may continue like this. 24 00:01:07,523 --> 00:01:11,425 To what extent are these people right? 25 00:01:11,425 --> 00:01:16,305 When I was born there was less than one billion children in the world, 26 00:01:16,305 --> 00:01:20,480 and today, 2000, there's almost two billion. 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,182 What has happened since, 28 00:01:22,182 --> 00:01:24,877 and what do the experts predict will happen 29 00:01:24,877 --> 00:01:27,360 with the number of children during this century? 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,978 This is a quiz. What do you think? 31 00:01:29,978 --> 00:01:33,880 Do you think it will decrease to one billion? 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,708 Will it remain the same and be two billion by the end of the century? 33 00:01:37,708 --> 00:01:41,425 Will the number of children increase each year up to 15 years, 34 00:01:41,425 --> 00:01:43,929 or will it continue in the same fast rate 35 00:01:43,929 --> 00:01:46,418 and be four billion children up there? 36 00:01:46,418 --> 00:01:49,843 I will tell you by the end of my speech. 37 00:01:49,843 --> 00:01:54,865 But now, what does religion have to do with it? 38 00:01:54,865 --> 00:01:57,197 When you want to classify religion, 39 00:01:57,197 --> 00:01:58,728 it's more difficult than you think. 40 00:01:58,728 --> 00:02:01,932 You go to Wikipedia and the first map you find is this. 41 00:02:01,932 --> 00:02:07,465 It divides the world into Abrahamic religions and Eastern religion, 42 00:02:07,465 --> 00:02:09,237 but that's not detailed enough. 43 00:02:09,237 --> 00:02:13,046 So we went on and we looked in Wikipedia, we found this map. 44 00:02:13,046 --> 00:02:17,692 But that subdivides Christianity, Islam and Buddhism 45 00:02:17,692 --> 00:02:19,295 into many subgroups, 46 00:02:19,295 --> 00:02:20,800 which was too detailed. 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,218 Therefore at Gapminder we made our own map, 48 00:02:24,218 --> 00:02:26,591 and it looks like this. 49 00:02:26,591 --> 00:02:29,994 Each country's a bubble. 50 00:02:29,994 --> 00:02:33,418 The size is the population -- big China, big India here. 51 00:02:33,418 --> 00:02:37,532 And the color now is the majority religion. 52 00:02:37,532 --> 00:02:40,763 It's the religion where more than 50 percent of the people 53 00:02:40,763 --> 00:02:42,018 say that they belong. 54 00:02:42,018 --> 00:02:46,735 It's Eastern religion in India and China and neighboring Asian countries. 55 00:02:46,735 --> 00:02:48,708 Islam is the majority religion 56 00:02:48,708 --> 00:02:52,483 all the way from the Atlantic Ocean across the Middle East, 57 00:02:52,483 --> 00:02:54,763 Southern Europe and through Asia 58 00:02:54,763 --> 00:02:57,000 all the way to Indonesia. 59 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,917 That's where we find Islamic majority. 60 00:02:59,917 --> 00:03:04,720 And Christian majority religions, we see in these countries. They are blue. 61 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,745 And that is most countries in America and Europe, 62 00:03:08,745 --> 00:03:12,415 many countries in Africa and a few in Asia. 63 00:03:12,415 --> 00:03:15,095 The white here are countries which cannot be classified, 64 00:03:15,095 --> 00:03:17,720 because one religion does not reach 50 percent 65 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,077 or there is doubt about the data or there's some other reason. 66 00:03:21,077 --> 00:03:22,837 So we were careful with that. 67 00:03:22,837 --> 00:03:26,695 So bear with our simplicity now when I take you over to this shot. 68 00:03:26,695 --> 00:03:28,708 This is in 1960. 69 00:03:28,708 --> 00:03:32,240 And now I show the number of babies per woman here: 70 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,326 two, four or six -- 71 00:03:35,326 --> 00:03:37,517 many babies, few babies. 72 00:03:37,517 --> 00:03:40,698 And here the income per person in comparable dollars. 73 00:03:40,698 --> 00:03:44,295 The reason for that is that many people say you have to get rich first 74 00:03:44,295 --> 00:03:45,965 before you get few babies. 75 00:03:45,965 --> 00:03:49,597 So low income here, high income there. 76 00:03:49,597 --> 00:03:51,235 And indeed in 1960, 77 00:03:51,235 --> 00:03:53,972 you had to be a rich Christian to have few babies. 78 00:03:53,972 --> 00:03:56,246 The exception was Japan. 79 00:03:56,246 --> 00:03:59,483 Japan here was regarded as an exception. 80 00:03:59,483 --> 00:04:01,511 Otherwise it was only Christian countries. 81 00:04:01,511 --> 00:04:03,720 But there was also many Christian countries 82 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,292 that had six to seven babies per woman. 83 00:04:06,292 --> 00:04:11,769 But they were in Latin America or they were in Africa. 84 00:04:11,769 --> 00:04:15,942 And countries with Islam as the majority religion, 85 00:04:15,942 --> 00:04:20,572 all of them almost had six to seven children per woman, 86 00:04:20,572 --> 00:04:22,997 irregardless of the income level. 87 00:04:22,997 --> 00:04:27,240 And all the Eastern religions except Japan had the same level. 88 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,160 Now let's see what has happened in the world. 89 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,080 I start the world, and here we go. 90 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,298 Now 1962 -- can you see they're getting a little richer, 91 00:04:34,298 --> 00:04:36,972 but the number of babies per woman is falling? 92 00:04:36,972 --> 00:04:39,145 Look at China. They're falling fairly fast. 93 00:04:39,145 --> 00:04:43,908 And all of the Muslim majority countries across the income are coming down, 94 00:04:43,908 --> 00:04:48,871 as do the Christian majority countries in the middle income range. 95 00:04:48,871 --> 00:04:51,400 And when we enter into this century, 96 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,760 you'll find more than half of mankind down here. 97 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,686 And by 2010, we are actually 80 percent of humans 98 00:04:59,686 --> 00:05:04,000 who live in countries with about two children per woman. 99 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,538 (Applause) 100 00:05:07,538 --> 00:05:11,498 It's a quite amazing development which has happened. 101 00:05:11,498 --> 00:05:12,875 (Applause) 102 00:05:12,875 --> 00:05:16,077 And these are countries from United States here, 103 00:05:16,077 --> 00:05:18,238 with $40,000 per capita, 104 00:05:18,238 --> 00:05:21,185 France, Russia, Iran, 105 00:05:21,185 --> 00:05:24,837 Mexico, Turkey, Algeria, 106 00:05:24,837 --> 00:05:27,062 Indonesia, India 107 00:05:27,062 --> 00:05:29,791 and all the way to Bangladesh and Vietnam, 108 00:05:29,791 --> 00:05:33,834 which has less than five percent of the income per person of the United States 109 00:05:33,834 --> 00:05:36,991 and the same amount of babies per woman. 110 00:05:36,991 --> 00:05:40,222 I can tell you that the data on the number of children per woman 111 00:05:40,222 --> 00:05:42,311 is surprisingly good in all countries. 112 00:05:42,311 --> 00:05:44,258 We get that from the census data. 113 00:05:44,258 --> 00:05:47,651 It's not one of these statistics which is very doubtful. 114 00:05:47,651 --> 00:05:48,957 So what we can conclude 115 00:05:48,957 --> 00:05:51,738 is you don't have to get rich to have few children. 116 00:05:51,738 --> 00:05:54,080 It has happened across the world. 117 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,658 And then when we look at religions, 118 00:05:56,658 --> 00:05:59,185 we can see that the Eastern religions, 119 00:05:59,185 --> 00:06:02,185 indeed there's not one single country with a majority of that religion 120 00:06:02,185 --> 00:06:04,080 that has more than three children. 121 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,132 Whereas with Islam as a majority religion and Christianity, 122 00:06:08,132 --> 00:06:10,040 you see countries all the way. 123 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,818 But there's no major difference. 124 00:06:11,818 --> 00:06:15,320 There's no major difference between these religions. 125 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,671 There is a difference with income. 126 00:06:17,671 --> 00:06:21,600 The countries which have many babies per woman here, 127 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,532 they have quite low income. 128 00:06:23,532 --> 00:06:26,963 Most of them are in sub-Saharan Africa. 129 00:06:26,963 --> 00:06:29,625 But there are also countries here 130 00:06:29,625 --> 00:06:33,742 like Guatemala, like Papua New Guinea, 131 00:06:33,742 --> 00:06:36,548 like Yemen and Afghanistan. 132 00:06:36,548 --> 00:06:40,425 Many think that Afghanistan here and Congo, 133 00:06:40,425 --> 00:06:43,875 which have suffered severe conflicts, 134 00:06:43,875 --> 00:06:46,632 that they don't have fast population growth. 135 00:06:46,632 --> 00:06:48,409 It's the other way around. 136 00:06:48,409 --> 00:06:52,302 In the world today, it's the countries that have the highest mortality rates 137 00:06:52,302 --> 00:06:54,538 that have the fastest population growth. 138 00:06:54,538 --> 00:06:58,526 Because the death of a child is compensated by one more child. 139 00:06:58,526 --> 00:07:01,434 These countries have six children per woman. 140 00:07:01,434 --> 00:07:05,566 They have a sad death rate of one to two children per woman. 141 00:07:05,566 --> 00:07:09,385 But 30 years from now, Afghanistan will go from 30 million to 60 million. 142 00:07:09,385 --> 00:07:12,792 Congo will go from 60 to 120. 143 00:07:12,792 --> 00:07:15,683 That's where we have the fast population growth. 144 00:07:15,683 --> 00:07:20,028 And many think that these countries are stagnant, but they are not. 145 00:07:20,028 --> 00:07:23,542 Let me compare Senegal, a Muslim dominated country, 146 00:07:23,542 --> 00:07:26,000 with a Christian dominated country, Ghana. 147 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,597 I take them backwards here to their independence, 148 00:07:29,597 --> 00:07:33,280 when they were up here in the beginning of the 1960s. 149 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,378 Just look what they have done. 150 00:07:35,378 --> 00:07:36,929 It's an amazing improvement, 151 00:07:36,929 --> 00:07:39,166 from seven children per woman, 152 00:07:39,166 --> 00:07:42,231 they've gone all the way down to between four and five. 153 00:07:42,231 --> 00:07:43,818 It's a tremendous improvement. 154 00:07:43,818 --> 00:07:45,243 So what does it take? 155 00:07:45,243 --> 00:07:48,840 Well we know quite well what is needed in these countries. 156 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,329 You need to have children to survive. 157 00:07:51,329 --> 00:07:53,942 You need to get out of the deepest poverty 158 00:07:53,942 --> 00:07:57,520 so children are not of importance for work in the family. 159 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,391 You need to have access to some family planning. 160 00:08:00,391 --> 00:08:04,723 And you need the fourth factor, which perhaps is the most important factor. 161 00:08:04,723 --> 00:08:07,631 But let me illustrate that fourth factor 162 00:08:07,631 --> 00:08:09,732 by looking at Qatar. 163 00:08:09,732 --> 00:08:13,532 Here we have Qatar today, and there we have Bangladesh today. 164 00:08:13,532 --> 00:08:17,169 If I take these countries back to the years of their independence, 165 00:08:17,169 --> 00:08:20,240 which is almost the same year -- '71, '72 -- 166 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,114 it's a quite amazing development which had happened. 167 00:08:24,114 --> 00:08:25,920 Look at Bangladesh and Qatar. 168 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,178 With so different incomes, it's almost the same drop 169 00:08:29,178 --> 00:08:31,292 in number of babies per woman. 170 00:08:31,292 --> 00:08:33,295 And what is the reason in Qatar? 171 00:08:33,295 --> 00:08:34,954 Well I do as I always do. 172 00:08:34,954 --> 00:08:38,726 I went to the statistical authority of Qatar, to their webpage -- 173 00:08:38,726 --> 00:08:40,857 It's a very good webpage. I recommend it -- 174 00:08:40,857 --> 00:08:47,348 and I looked up -- oh yeah, you can have lots of fun here -- 175 00:08:47,348 --> 00:08:51,415 and provided free of charge, I found Qatar's social trends. 176 00:08:51,415 --> 00:08:53,760 Very interesting. Lots to read. 177 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:58,332 I found fertility at birth, and I looked at total fertility rate per woman. 178 00:08:58,332 --> 00:09:01,883 These are the scholars and experts in the government agency in Qatar, 179 00:09:01,883 --> 00:09:04,538 and they say the most important factors are: 180 00:09:04,538 --> 00:09:06,480 "Increased age at first marriage, 181 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,505 increased educational level of Qatari woman 182 00:09:09,505 --> 00:09:12,818 and more women integrated in the labor force." 183 00:09:12,818 --> 00:09:16,560 I couldn't agree more. Science couldn't agree more. 184 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:19,077 This is a country that indeed has gone through 185 00:09:19,077 --> 00:09:22,612 a very, very interesting modernization. 186 00:09:22,612 --> 00:09:25,237 So what it is, is these four: 187 00:09:25,237 --> 00:09:28,320 Children should survive, children shouldn't be needed for work, 188 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,222 women should get education and join the labor force 189 00:09:31,222 --> 00:09:33,495 and family planning should be accessible. 190 00:09:33,495 --> 00:09:36,883 Now look again at this. 191 00:09:36,883 --> 00:09:39,175 The average number of children in the world 192 00:09:39,175 --> 00:09:42,597 is like in Colombia -- it's 2.4 today. 193 00:09:42,597 --> 00:09:45,634 There are countries up here which are very poor. 194 00:09:45,634 --> 00:09:49,585 And that's where family planning, better child survival is needed. 195 00:09:49,585 --> 00:09:53,372 I strongly recommend Melinda Gates' last TEDTalk. 196 00:09:53,372 --> 00:09:58,831 And here, down, there are many countries which are less than two children per woman. 197 00:09:58,831 --> 00:10:02,443 So when I go back now to give you the answer of the quiz, 198 00:10:02,443 --> 00:10:03,985 it's two. 199 00:10:03,985 --> 00:10:06,514 We have reached peak child. 200 00:10:06,514 --> 00:10:09,403 The number of children is not growing any longer in the world. 201 00:10:09,403 --> 00:10:11,395 We are still debating peak oil, 202 00:10:11,395 --> 00:10:14,326 but we have definitely reached peak child. 203 00:10:14,326 --> 00:10:17,049 And the world population will stop growing. 204 00:10:17,049 --> 00:10:19,151 The United Nations Population Division has said 205 00:10:19,151 --> 00:10:21,591 it will stop growing at 10 billion. 206 00:10:21,591 --> 00:10:25,631 But why do they grow if the number of children doesn't grow? 207 00:10:25,631 --> 00:10:28,077 Well I will show you here. 208 00:10:28,077 --> 00:10:31,852 I will use these card boxes in which your notebooks came. 209 00:10:31,852 --> 00:10:35,686 They are quite useful for educational purposes. 210 00:10:35,686 --> 00:10:38,594 Each card box is one billion people. 211 00:10:38,594 --> 00:10:41,262 And there are two billion children in the world. 212 00:10:41,262 --> 00:10:48,132 There are two billion young people between 15 and 30. 213 00:10:48,132 --> 00:10:49,602 These are rounded numbers. 214 00:10:49,602 --> 00:10:54,628 Then there is one billion between 30 and 45, 215 00:10:54,628 --> 00:10:58,471 almost one between 45 and 60. 216 00:10:58,471 --> 00:11:00,095 And then it's my box. 217 00:11:00,095 --> 00:11:02,120 This is me: 60-plus. 218 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,282 We are here on top. 219 00:11:04,282 --> 00:11:09,514 So what will happen now is what we call "the big fill-up." 220 00:11:09,514 --> 00:11:12,502 You can see that it's like three billion missing here. 221 00:11:12,502 --> 00:11:16,809 They are not missing because they've died; they were never born. 222 00:11:16,809 --> 00:11:20,917 Because before 1980, there were much fewer people born 223 00:11:20,917 --> 00:11:23,674 than there were during the last 30 years. 224 00:11:23,674 --> 00:11:26,828 So what will happen now is quite straightforward. 225 00:11:26,828 --> 00:11:29,625 The old, sadly, we will die. 226 00:11:29,625 --> 00:11:34,280 The rest of you, you will grow older and you will get two billion children. 227 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,888 Then the old will die. 228 00:11:36,888 --> 00:11:40,926 The rest will grow older and get two billion children. 229 00:11:40,926 --> 00:11:46,695 And then again the old will die and you will get two billion children. 230 00:11:46,695 --> 00:11:48,949 (Applause) 231 00:11:48,949 --> 00:11:52,582 This is the great fill-up. 232 00:11:52,582 --> 00:11:55,354 It's inevitable. 233 00:11:55,354 --> 00:11:58,000 And can you see that this increase took place 234 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,803 without life getting longer and without adding children? 235 00:12:02,803 --> 00:12:07,708 Religion has very little to do with the number of babies per woman. 236 00:12:07,708 --> 00:12:10,977 All the religions in the world are fully capable 237 00:12:10,977 --> 00:12:16,102 to maintain their values and adapt to this new world. 238 00:12:16,102 --> 00:12:21,385 And we will be just 10 billion in this world, 239 00:12:21,385 --> 00:12:24,969 if the poorest people get out of poverty, 240 00:12:24,969 --> 00:12:28,142 their children survive, they get access to family planning. 241 00:12:28,142 --> 00:12:30,042 That is needed. 242 00:12:30,042 --> 00:12:35,757 But it's inevitable that we will be two to three billion more. 243 00:12:35,757 --> 00:12:38,969 So when you discuss and when you plan 244 00:12:38,969 --> 00:12:42,372 for the resources and the energy needed for the future, 245 00:12:42,372 --> 00:12:44,705 for human beings on this planet, 246 00:12:44,705 --> 00:12:46,862 you have to plan for 10 billion. 247 00:12:46,862 --> 00:12:49,012 Thank you very much. 248 00:12:49,012 --> 00:12:55,098 (Applause)