1 00:00:01,220 --> 00:00:03,160 ♪ [music] ♪ 2 00:00:09,416 --> 00:00:12,865 - [Alex] In our previous videos, we explained the benefits of trade. 3 00:00:12,865 --> 00:00:15,778 Today we're going to evaluate some of the arguments 4 00:00:15,778 --> 00:00:19,445 that one often hears about limiting international trade. 5 00:00:24,975 --> 00:00:27,648 International trade is a controversial subject. 6 00:00:27,648 --> 00:00:29,546 There's a lot of arguments surrounding it. 7 00:00:29,546 --> 00:00:31,754 We're not going to go through all of them by any means. 8 00:00:31,754 --> 00:00:33,415 But here are some of the most common: 9 00:00:33,415 --> 00:00:37,548 That trade reduces the number of jobs in the United States. 10 00:00:37,548 --> 00:00:41,177 That it's wrong to trade with countries that use child labor. 11 00:00:41,177 --> 00:00:45,598 That we need to keep certain jobs at home for national security. 12 00:00:45,598 --> 00:00:48,397 We need to keep certain key industries at home 13 00:00:48,397 --> 00:00:52,858 because of beneficial spillovers onto other sectors of the economy. 14 00:00:52,858 --> 00:00:56,256 And we can increase U.S. well-being, the argument goes, 15 00:00:56,256 --> 00:00:58,967 with strategic trade protectionism. 16 00:00:58,967 --> 00:01:00,467 So we're going to evaluate, say, 17 00:01:00,467 --> 00:01:02,526 a few things about each one of these arguments. 18 00:01:02,746 --> 00:01:04,850 Let's consider trade and jobs. 19 00:01:05,359 --> 00:01:07,679 What happens when a tariff is lowered? 20 00:01:07,679 --> 00:01:11,492 Well, imports will increase, and there will be fewer jobs 21 00:01:11,492 --> 00:01:13,820 in the import competing industry. 22 00:01:13,820 --> 00:01:17,331 For example, if we have a tariff on shoes and we reduce the tariff, 23 00:01:17,331 --> 00:01:20,891 we'll have imports of more shoes from China and from Vietnam, 24 00:01:20,891 --> 00:01:22,740 and that will mean fewer jobs 25 00:01:22,740 --> 00:01:25,957 in the American shoe-producing industry. 26 00:01:26,331 --> 00:01:30,521 That's what people see when they think about reducing a tariff. 27 00:01:30,521 --> 00:01:34,370 They're worried about losing those jobs in the American industry. 28 00:01:34,370 --> 00:01:38,771 However, we want to see the issue in a deeper way, 29 00:01:38,771 --> 00:01:44,642 in a more fundamental way, and a key question to ask is, 30 00:01:44,642 --> 00:01:49,783 "Why do people send us goods? Why would workers in China 31 00:01:49,783 --> 00:01:53,798 and Vietnam work long hours to send us shoes?" 32 00:01:54,135 --> 00:01:56,915 It's certainly not from the kindness of their heart. 33 00:01:56,915 --> 00:02:03,126 Ultimately, they want goods in return, goods or services. 34 00:02:03,525 --> 00:02:08,107 They are working -- they are producing in order to consume. 35 00:02:08,107 --> 00:02:12,103 They are sending us goods because they want goods in return. 36 00:02:12,103 --> 00:02:15,464 They are not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, 37 00:02:15,470 --> 00:02:19,033 but out of self-interest as Adam Smith said. 38 00:02:19,910 --> 00:02:25,488 And that leads to a fundamental insight about international trade. 39 00:02:25,791 --> 00:02:30,798 Namely, we pay for our imports with exports. 40 00:02:31,180 --> 00:02:37,641 When we import more, we will ultimately export more 41 00:02:37,641 --> 00:02:43,158 because we pay for our imports through our exports. 42 00:02:43,671 --> 00:02:50,046 What this means is that trade doesn't destroy jobs overall. 43 00:02:50,418 --> 00:02:54,709 Trade moves jobs from import-competing industries 44 00:02:54,709 --> 00:03:00,998 to export industries, and overall, wages increase on average 45 00:03:00,998 --> 00:03:03,251 because of comparative advantage. 46 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,159 Because we pay for our imports with exports, 47 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:10,160 when we import more, we will export more. 48 00:03:10,529 --> 00:03:15,649 Jobs will reduce in the import competing industries and increase 49 00:03:15,702 --> 00:03:17,232 in the export industries. 50 00:03:17,542 --> 00:03:20,702 Now, this process is not always easy. 51 00:03:20,702 --> 00:03:25,112 Problems can occur when we lose jobs in low-skill import-competing 52 00:03:25,112 --> 00:03:28,762 sectors and gain jobs in high-skill export sectors. 53 00:03:28,762 --> 00:03:32,632 Overall, when the United States imports goods, we typically 54 00:03:32,632 --> 00:03:37,332 import goods produced by low-skill, because America on average 55 00:03:37,332 --> 00:03:40,372 is a high-skill economy, has high-skilled workers 56 00:03:40,372 --> 00:03:44,343 on a world level, but we do have some low-skill workers, 57 00:03:44,343 --> 00:03:47,503 and imports tend to compete with the products 58 00:03:47,503 --> 00:03:49,693 produced by low-skilled workers. 59 00:03:49,693 --> 00:03:53,763 Everything will be fine if our education system is 60 00:03:53,763 --> 00:03:57,222 working well, and if those low-skill workers can increase 61 00:03:57,222 --> 00:03:59,033 their skills and move to high-tech -- 62 00:03:59,033 --> 00:04:03,484 or high-skill, not necessarily high-tech -- high-skill sectors. 63 00:04:03,692 --> 00:04:08,820 Of course, that's a big "if," and the transition can be difficult. 64 00:04:08,820 --> 00:04:12,012 We have to put this in context, however. 65 00:04:12,114 --> 00:04:16,759 In a growing economy, jobs are appearing and disappearing 66 00:04:16,759 --> 00:04:19,993 all the time, not just or even fundamentally because 67 00:04:19,993 --> 00:04:22,314 of international trade, but because of changes 68 00:04:22,314 --> 00:04:24,432 in preferences and changes in technology. 69 00:04:24,568 --> 00:04:26,248 Let's take a look at that. 70 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:28,676 It's important when thinking 71 00:04:28,676 --> 00:04:30,727 about trade and jobs and jobs in general 72 00:04:30,743 --> 00:04:36,944 that the American economy succeeds precisely because jobs are being 73 00:04:36,944 --> 00:04:39,998 created and destroyed all the time. 74 00:04:40,578 --> 00:04:45,507 Job destruction is often a sign of progress and growth. 75 00:04:46,025 --> 00:04:47,719 Think about Thomas Edison. 76 00:04:47,719 --> 00:04:51,959 He destroyed the whaling industry with his invention of the light bulb. 77 00:04:52,528 --> 00:04:56,388 CDs -- some of you may not even remember compact discs -- 78 00:04:56,388 --> 00:04:59,592 they destroyed jobs in the record industry. 79 00:04:59,893 --> 00:05:03,712 MP3s destroyed jobs in the CD industry. 80 00:05:03,712 --> 00:05:07,312 This is the way progress often occurs. 81 00:05:07,312 --> 00:05:10,572 Employment and the standard of living overall keep rising 82 00:05:10,572 --> 00:05:15,783 over time, and the reason they're rising is precisely that old jobs 83 00:05:15,783 --> 00:05:18,771 are being destroyed, new jobs are being created. 84 00:05:19,159 --> 00:05:25,532 Overall, in the churn, there's a trend towards richer jobs, 85 00:05:25,588 --> 00:05:28,068 higher-paying jobs, higher wages. 86 00:05:28,068 --> 00:05:32,908 Overall technology, trade, these benefit the U.S. economy. 87 00:05:34,524 --> 00:05:36,715 Child labor is something which no one wants, 88 00:05:36,811 --> 00:05:40,003 but it's important to understand that child labor is something 89 00:05:40,003 --> 00:05:42,331 which happens when people are poor. 90 00:05:42,677 --> 00:05:45,976 Child labor was common in 19th century Great Britain 91 00:05:45,976 --> 00:05:47,413 and the United States. 92 00:05:47,489 --> 00:05:50,259 Child labor declined in the developed world 93 00:05:50,259 --> 00:05:52,499 as people got richer. 94 00:05:52,499 --> 00:05:56,590 Forces that reduced child labor in the developed world are also 95 00:05:56,590 --> 00:05:58,697 at work in the developing countries. 96 00:05:58,697 --> 00:06:02,060 As countries become richer, child labor declines. 97 00:06:02,389 --> 00:06:07,319 What this graph shows is that as real GDP per capita increases, 98 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:11,909 the percent of children ages 10 to 14 in the labor force decreases. 99 00:06:12,209 --> 00:06:15,459 So increases in real GDP reduce 100 00:06:15,459 --> 00:06:18,060 the percent of children in the labor force. 101 00:06:18,441 --> 00:06:22,640 The circles, by the way, are proportional to the absolute number 102 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,032 of children in the labor force, so in China, for example, 103 00:06:26,032 --> 00:06:29,230 there are about 12 percent of kids in the labor force, 104 00:06:29,230 --> 00:06:31,970 but because there are so many Chinese children, that's 105 00:06:31,970 --> 00:06:35,656 a large number of children in absolute numbers. 106 00:06:35,776 --> 00:06:38,087 Again the key here is really 107 00:06:38,087 --> 00:06:40,985 that economic growth reduces child labor. 108 00:06:41,675 --> 00:06:46,675 So if you want to reduce child labor you want a country to become rich. 109 00:06:46,779 --> 00:06:52,469 The question is, "Can one accelerate this process by banning 110 00:06:52,469 --> 00:06:59,050 child labor or by refusing to trade with countries that use child labor?" 111 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:03,229 That's really refusing to trade with the poorest of countries. 112 00:07:03,229 --> 00:07:05,470 Do we really want to do that? 113 00:07:05,470 --> 00:07:07,320 Do we really want to say to poor countries, 114 00:07:07,337 --> 00:07:09,197 "We're not going to trade with you." 115 00:07:09,197 --> 00:07:12,987 There are many opportunities here for unintended consequences 116 00:07:12,987 --> 00:07:18,038 of laws which may have been trying to do a good thing but backfire. 117 00:07:18,105 --> 00:07:22,372 So, for example, when India banned child labor, 118 00:07:22,372 --> 00:07:27,102 one of the effects of that was to reduce the wages of children 119 00:07:27,102 --> 00:07:29,443 because now you have to hire them under the table. 120 00:07:29,443 --> 00:07:32,613 Because their wages were lower, the families were poorer, 121 00:07:32,613 --> 00:07:34,723 and because the families were poorer, 122 00:07:34,723 --> 00:07:38,423 they had to rely even more on child labor. 123 00:07:38,423 --> 00:07:43,994 So it is very easy to create a policy which backfires. 124 00:07:44,614 --> 00:07:51,594 It is not, in my view, a good idea to use international trade 125 00:07:51,594 --> 00:07:57,474 as a weapon or as a tool against child labor. 126 00:07:57,474 --> 00:08:01,005 A much better idea would be to help poor countries, 127 00:08:01,005 --> 00:08:04,814 would be to offer free schooling in poor countries, 128 00:08:04,814 --> 00:08:09,173 to offer lunches for schools in poor countries. 129 00:08:09,414 --> 00:08:12,745 This increases the incentive to send the children to school 130 00:08:12,745 --> 00:08:14,315 because then they are fed. 131 00:08:14,639 --> 00:08:18,212 So there are lots of things we can do to reduce child labor 132 00:08:18,212 --> 00:08:21,113 in poorer countries, but to say to those countries, 133 00:08:21,113 --> 00:08:24,672 "We're not going to trade with you because you're poor 134 00:08:24,672 --> 00:08:27,623 and you're using child labor just exactly the same way 135 00:08:27,623 --> 00:08:30,452 we did in the 19th century." 136 00:08:30,811 --> 00:08:34,632 That is really not in my view a productive policy. 137 00:08:35,812 --> 00:08:39,163 Trade and national security. Yeah, some industries probably 138 00:08:39,179 --> 00:08:42,040 should be protected to protect national security. 139 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,950 The problem is this argument is subject to great abuse. 140 00:08:44,950 --> 00:08:47,640 Almost every industry can and does make the claim 141 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,589 that they're essential for national security. 142 00:08:50,589 --> 00:08:53,498 So let's give some examples. Vaccine production? 143 00:08:53,498 --> 00:08:58,089 Yes, probably a good idea for us to have some domestic capability. 144 00:08:58,089 --> 00:09:01,790 We don't always want to buy our vaccines from abroad, just in case. 145 00:09:02,197 --> 00:09:04,919 Angora goat fleece? Am I serious? 146 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:09,941 Yes. Believe it or not, we have protected Angora goats 147 00:09:09,941 --> 00:09:13,270 with the argument that their fleece is necessary 148 00:09:13,270 --> 00:09:15,689 to produce military uniforms. 149 00:09:15,689 --> 00:09:19,351 Yep, some people think goats are vital to national security. 150 00:09:19,351 --> 00:09:21,150 I'm not kidding. 151 00:09:21,611 --> 00:09:25,501 The key industries argument is very popular among the high-tech crowd. 152 00:09:25,643 --> 00:09:29,572 The argument is, is that there are some industries, which for a variety 153 00:09:29,572 --> 00:09:33,733 of reasons, are especially important for a nation to have a foothold in. 154 00:09:33,905 --> 00:09:36,902 "Biology, microbiology is going to be the future, 155 00:09:36,902 --> 00:09:39,636 therefore we need to have this type of industry." 156 00:09:39,636 --> 00:09:41,581 Or, "Computers are the future, 157 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:43,637 therefore we need to have this type of industry." 158 00:09:43,637 --> 00:09:46,426 The argument is that these industries create spillovers 159 00:09:46,426 --> 00:09:48,085 for other industries. 160 00:09:48,085 --> 00:09:52,695 They create learning, they create research, they create workers, 161 00:09:52,695 --> 00:09:56,756 high-tech workers, which spread out to other areas of the economy 162 00:09:56,756 --> 00:10:02,558 and benefit the economy in ways which go beyond the GDP 163 00:10:02,558 --> 00:10:04,616 produced by those particular industries. 164 00:10:05,006 --> 00:10:07,376 Ross Perot famously made this argument when he said, 165 00:10:07,376 --> 00:10:10,907 "Producing computer chips is better than potato chips." 166 00:10:10,907 --> 00:10:13,455 In some ways this may be true, 167 00:10:13,455 --> 00:10:16,226 but it's overall not a compelling argument. 168 00:10:16,226 --> 00:10:18,637 For example, today most computer chips are 169 00:10:18,637 --> 00:10:20,306 cheap, mass-produced products. 170 00:10:20,306 --> 00:10:23,427 They're not something we really want to be producing at all. 171 00:10:23,427 --> 00:10:25,485 They're not even produced with a lot of labor. 172 00:10:25,485 --> 00:10:29,077 They're mostly produced in big factories which don't 173 00:10:29,077 --> 00:10:30,547 actually make lot of money. 174 00:10:30,547 --> 00:10:33,751 Much better to design the product the way Apple does, 175 00:10:33,751 --> 00:10:38,027 making lots of profit, than to buy the chips which Apple 176 00:10:38,027 --> 00:10:41,797 uses in its iPhones, which don't make a lot of money at all. 177 00:10:41,797 --> 00:10:46,877 In 1990, Walmart contributed more to the boom in productivity 178 00:10:46,877 --> 00:10:48,367 than Silicon Valley. 179 00:10:48,367 --> 00:10:52,407 So it's always difficult to say exactly which are 180 00:10:52,407 --> 00:10:54,678 the most important industries. 181 00:10:54,678 --> 00:10:57,138 You wouldn't think that Walmart retail is 182 00:10:57,138 --> 00:11:01,198 a hugely important industry, and yet, Walmart is 183 00:11:01,198 --> 00:11:04,639 the world's largest firm, and it has done a huge amount 184 00:11:04,639 --> 00:11:08,368 to make the American economy more productive. 185 00:11:08,629 --> 00:11:11,295 So no one really knows which industries are the ones 186 00:11:11,295 --> 00:11:14,150 with the really important spillovers, and when we add 187 00:11:14,150 --> 00:11:18,700 in political economy, the tendency for politics to often choose 188 00:11:18,700 --> 00:11:20,775 based upon the wrong reasons -- 189 00:11:20,775 --> 00:11:23,159 this argument is really not very compelling. 190 00:11:24,028 --> 00:11:25,949 Here's an argument which again works in theory, 191 00:11:25,979 --> 00:11:27,948 but is less likely to work in practice. 192 00:11:27,948 --> 00:11:31,468 It's possible for a country to use tariffs and quotas 193 00:11:31,468 --> 00:11:35,288 to get a larger share of the gains from trade. 194 00:11:35,288 --> 00:11:40,009 The argument here is that if you can limit or tax exports, 195 00:11:40,123 --> 00:11:43,543 not tax imports, but tax exports, 196 00:11:43,543 --> 00:11:48,451 then you can let domestic firms act as a cartel, 197 00:11:48,451 --> 00:11:52,081 so it's a way of helping domestic firms to be more 198 00:11:52,081 --> 00:11:54,469 like a monopoly, to act like a cartel. 199 00:11:54,773 --> 00:11:57,503 So the government plus the domestic firms put -- 200 00:11:57,503 --> 00:12:02,903 creates a tax, or limits exports, in order to raise the price 201 00:12:02,903 --> 00:12:07,233 of those exports on world markets and in order to grab up 202 00:12:07,233 --> 00:12:09,075 more of the gains from trade. 203 00:12:09,328 --> 00:12:11,995 It can work, especially if there are few substitutes 204 00:12:11,995 --> 00:12:13,836 for U.S.-produced goods. 205 00:12:13,836 --> 00:12:16,966 On the other hand, if there are substitutes for U.S.-produced goods, 206 00:12:16,966 --> 00:12:19,517 or if we push the price of our goods up too high, 207 00:12:19,517 --> 00:12:22,796 and that creates the substitutes, we may in the long run 208 00:12:22,796 --> 00:12:25,124 really reduce our market. 209 00:12:25,499 --> 00:12:30,509 Moreover, these arguments for strategic trade protectionism 210 00:12:30,509 --> 00:12:35,235 are not such a great idea if other countries can retaliate. 211 00:12:35,235 --> 00:12:40,379 If every country tries to do this, then world trade as a whole will 212 00:12:40,379 --> 00:12:42,829 shrink and no country will be better off. 213 00:12:42,829 --> 00:12:46,679 So in trying to grab up a larger slice of the pie, 214 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,369 we have to always be worried about making the pie smaller. 215 00:12:50,711 --> 00:12:53,140 Again, the argument works in theory. 216 00:12:53,140 --> 00:12:57,500 A very clever government might be able to do it, but in practice, 217 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:00,500 this is really not a very good reason for limiting trade. 218 00:13:00,958 --> 00:13:04,647 So to sum up, restrictions on trade waste resources 219 00:13:04,647 --> 00:13:07,909 by transferring production from low-cost foreign producers 220 00:13:07,909 --> 00:13:10,739 to high-cost domestic producers. 221 00:13:10,837 --> 00:13:14,264 Restrictions on trade also prevent domestic consumers 222 00:13:14,264 --> 00:13:16,556 from exploiting all of the gains from trade. 223 00:13:16,802 --> 00:13:19,746 There are some good arguments for restricting trade. 224 00:13:19,746 --> 00:13:22,105 Some arguments are valid, but they're usually 225 00:13:22,105 --> 00:13:24,245 of limited applicability. 226 00:13:24,245 --> 00:13:29,816 Overall, I think free trade is a robust policy in the sense 227 00:13:29,816 --> 00:13:34,554 of it's a policy which works well in most circumstances, 228 00:13:34,554 --> 00:13:37,424 and protectionism will work well 229 00:13:37,424 --> 00:13:40,159 only in a limited number of circumstances. 230 00:13:40,418 --> 00:13:41,827 Thanks! 231 00:13:42,542 --> 00:13:45,957 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