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Dialogue: 0,0:00:02.25,0:00:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Vance Stevens: We're live!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.83,0:00:08.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello, everybody. Somehow my video disappeared.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.26,0:00:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's there, but that's my - it's just an avatar format.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.64,0:00:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[missed words]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.20,0:00:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, well anyway, this is Vance Stevens in Abu Dhab... sorry, in L.A.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.34,0:00:20.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm living in L.A. now, if you want to know where I'm living.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.14,0:00:21.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today is the 8th of December.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.53,0:00:25.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They move me around so much, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.16,0:00:30.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, anyway, it's the 8th of December 2013.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.06,0:00:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're talking with a good friend of mine, Phil Hubbard,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.42,0:00:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Stanford University in Palo Alto, California.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.04,0:00:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he's been doing some really neat stuff in Cal.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.94,0:00:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've known him for a long time in the Cal intersection Tea [missed words]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.61,0:00:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Phil Hubbard: Since we were kids.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.24,0:00:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: We were, 20 years ago\N[Hubbard laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.55,0:00:57.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: reaching 30 [check]\N[background voice]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.100,0:01:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Someone has a -- someone needs to have a headset on.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.04,0:01:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[missed words] is muted.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.81,0:01:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Errh not sure: it could be someone listening to the stream.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.50,0:01:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, if you're listening to the stream -- OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.92,0:01:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their call has gone away [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.50,0:01:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone has corrected it, that's good.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.05,0:01:23.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right, well, OK. Someone has announced in the stream chat that they're listening to it there.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.37,0:01:25.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's good, everything seems to be working.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.100,0:01:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're doing a Hangout on Air, as we often do.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.50,0:01:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're streaming it on webheadsinaction.org/live
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.27,0:01:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the moment we have six people in the hangout,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.50,0:01:37.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's room for four more.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.75,0:01:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if anyone is listening on the stream and would like to join us, they can.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.91,0:01:47.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And right now we've got Claire Siskin and Jim Buckingham, Rita Zeinstejer and
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.100,0:01:59.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's see, and also Rob, Rob is there, and me, Vance Stevens. Rob Permanus, is that correct?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.10,0:02:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Correct me if I'm wrong. Permanus, Permanus - how do you pronounce your name?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.66,0:02:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: You have to unmute him {\i1}chuckles{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.24,0:02:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: it's Perhamus -- Perhamus, OK, Good, I'll never forget that again, all right.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.44,0:02:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much, Rob. Rob is an occasional participant in our hangouts.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.16,0:02:28.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well Phil, take it away and anybody who wants to --
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.38,0:02:31.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the way, you're all muted by default when you come into the hangout.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.83,0:02:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can unmute yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.78,0:02:39.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're going to unmute yourself and talk, please mute yourself again,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.07,0:02:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we don't get keyboard noises and things like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.20,0:02:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's Elizabeth Anne, also shown up from Grenoble in France.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.00,0:02:53.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Halima [check] in Tashkent has also joined us, I see.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.20,0:02:55.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard [check] I think we're great, well, hello, everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.37,0:02:59.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's Good Morning for me, a little early in the morning,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.14,0:03:04.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the sun is beginning to show through the back window here.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.04,0:03:08.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you all for being here from all over the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.67,0:03:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I wanted to do today is talk about largely an idea and a project that I've been working on
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.08,0:03:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the last couple of years, very sporadically.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.58,0:03:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately I get interrupted easily, as I'm sure all of you do,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.41,0:03:35.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so what started out as a -- what I hoped was going to be a much more robust collection of materials
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.90,0:03:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has turned out to be a little more anemic
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.58,0:03:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I still think that I have enough here that I can demonstrate the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.42,0:03:48.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and especially share my thoughts about how to go
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.71,0:03:55.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about dealing with this relatively new notion of curation,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.75,0:04:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although in some ways, maybe it's just a label for an old notion that we've had for quite some time.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.08,0:04:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, let me give you a little bit of the background,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.46,0:04:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like several of the things I've worked on in the last few years,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.59,0:04:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like learner training.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.66,0:04:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is something that has emerged out of my classroom experience
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.98,0:04:21.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with an advanced listening and vocabulary class,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.94,0:04:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I see Vance is showing some of the slides now.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.32,0:04:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The class is for graduate students at Stanford
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.86,0:04:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's a really nice sandbox for playing with ideas,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.47,0:04:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because these are -- well, they're all in graduate school already,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.10,0:04:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're, for the most part, in the high 90's onwards to the 100s in the TOEFL iBT
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.27,0:04:59.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they really are advanced in that sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.10,0:05:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And many of them are taking the course because we require them to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.05,0:05:08.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they're kind of a captive audience
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.05,0:05:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's also a small course: we have a maximum 14 students in it
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.06,0:05:22.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it allows me to not only play around with ideas, but get a chance to talk to the students afterward,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.37,0:05:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not usually with formal research, but just informally as part of our normal tutorial sessions
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.89,0:05:35.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and find out what they thought about them and what I can do to make them work a little better.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.51,0:05:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the problem that I noticed - an important part of this class
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.64,0:05:45.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that students do independent projects
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.80,0:05:52.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those independent projects are supposed to be for a minimum of three hours a week.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.44,0:05:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sounds like I am getting some echo in the background, but I will keep pushing through here..
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.51,0:06:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uhh.. those projects are for three hours a week
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.40,0:06:09.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are responsible for doing the selection of the material
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.41,0:06:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with my help and with my guidance both before and after.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.53,0:06:23.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And over the years, I have discovered that they are actually not really good at that.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.33,0:06:27.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What they are good at is finding material that is interesting to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.38,0:06:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, they are not necessarily good at finding material that helps them.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.58,0:06:38.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They discover that on their own a little bit down the road
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.93,0:06:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and often it doesn't become clear to both of us
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.64,0:06:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I have a very slow learning curve and quickly forget things.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.66,0:06:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I get to the end of the class and then I go
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.82,0:06:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, I should have provided them with a little more guidance.".
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.94,0:06:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, about 2 years ago, I started doing this
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.41,0:06:59.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it came as a juxtaposition of a couple of things.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.93,0:07:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, just my own general interest in the development of autonomy had been growing
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.28,0:07:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as I have gone out and collected materials that I would just use in class,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.09,0:07:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was pretty clear to me that there is a huge amount of really interesting materials out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.90,0:07:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And people have been collecting these for a while
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.58,0:07:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and teachers have been building lessons out of them
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.90,0:07:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- sometimes pretty sophisiticated lessons --
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.52,0:07:31.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I needed something that students could work with on their own.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.24,0:07:37.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, I wanted to find a way to help them without just my advice
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.78,0:07:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as to how to look for materials, to actually start collecting materials
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.51,0:07:44.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in ways that would still give them quite a bit of freedom of choice
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.73,0:07:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but would also make it better as a language learning experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.01,0:07:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As part of this course, they are also required to build vocabulary.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.18,0:08:02.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have to identify at least 35 new words and phrases every week,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.79,0:08:04.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the material they are using.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.45,0:08:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this is a bit of the backdrop.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.71,0:08:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 2011, I came across a book, kind of independently.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.12,0:08:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was just recommended to me, for some reason, by Amazon:
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.20,0:08:18.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know how that works.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.36,0:08:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the book was called 'Curation Nation'
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.15,0:08:27.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there is, I think, a slide there perhaps somewhere, it's like the sixth slide.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.27,0:08:32.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a -- if you want to pop that up.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.84,0:08:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If not, it's just a picture of the book.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.60,0:08:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's a book it's a book by Steven Rosembaum.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.54,0:08:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>>Stevens: I will. Could I --
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.16,0:08:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am supposed to be able to mute mikes, as the owner of the chat,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.80,0:08:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I am unable to mute Halima's for some reason
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.38,0:08:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is where the echo is coming from.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.85,0:08:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, Halima, could I ask if you could click on the "mute" on your mike when not speaking?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.12,0:08:56.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you want to unmute, you can always speak to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.13,0:08:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is where our echo is coming from.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.71,0:09:03.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And okay, I will do what Phil has asked me to do and pull up 'Curation Nation'.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.80,0:09:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: {\i1}laughs{\i0} Alright, thanks.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.74,0:09:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, this is not a book about education by any stretch,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.70,0:09:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it did come up with this notion that we have so much material on-line now
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.72,0:09:21.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are having so much difficulty in sorting out
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.69,0:09:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the good stuff is from the chaff, for any reason, for news and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.89,0:09:29.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we have all these feeds:
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.99,0:09:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, if you -- those of you on Twitter or any of the other networks that have lots of feeds,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.17,0:09:41.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get the -- even Google+ -- you get feeds from your friends,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.14,0:09:47.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get feeds from people that whoever runs the site thinks might be interesting to you
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.97,0:09:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you are just overwhelmed with an enormous amount of material.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.14,0:09:53.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of it's pretty cool.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.72,0:09:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Much of it is stuff you wouldn't find on your own and that's great.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.59,0:10:03.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when you've got the specific target of trying to improve your language
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.79,0:10:09.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- and of course, the group that I work with doesn't actually do a whole lot with social media
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.07,0:10:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they don't have time as full-time graduate students --
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.67,0:10:17.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am lucky if I can squeeze a few hours out of them to do the work
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.41,0:10:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they need for the course that they are taking for credit from me.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.24,0:10:28.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this notion of curation is based roughly
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.03,0:10:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the idea of what people do in museums and in art galleries.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.68,0:10:42.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You get an expert, somebody who actually knows a fair amount about a particular area
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.35,0:10:50.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have that expert create collections, add value to them in one way or another,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.76,0:10:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you release those collections for the consumer - whoever it might be --
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.36,0:10:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have a look at and to interact with.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.96,0:11:06.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the key difference between this and what a lot of people are doing with this material
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.43,0:11:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- you may have heard concepts like "digital curation",
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.31,0:11:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which can just mean curating digital materials
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.56,0:11:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but often means that computers are doing the job for you.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.99,0:11:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Google news is a really good example of that:
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.44,0:11:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find a lot of interesting stuff in there, I can even ask it to find particular categories,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.86,0:11:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's still being selected without any human intervention.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.20,0:11:35.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You compare that with something like Huffington Post,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.56,0:11:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is material that's been brought in by people who are
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.70,0:11:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- in some cases, they're producing it, but in other cases they are aggregating it
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.42,0:11:48.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and trying to make sense out of it for the rest of us.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.31,0:11:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, a key point here is that curation isn't the same as aggregation, or listing, or tagging.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.32,0:12:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's okay to use that term for that but that's not the way I am using it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.38,0:12:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a really nice quote in my slide there that -- I think it's maybe --
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.16,0:12:17.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two more slides down, Vance. One more. There you go. Past curation.. yeah, that one.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.37,0:12:23.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is - it's maybe a little mean, but I think it's right on point
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.74,0:12:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that when you just get collections of things, you've just got collections of things
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.62,0:12:34.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and its not necessarily anything other than "these are things that I liked"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.51,0:12:36.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or "these are things that I think you will like".
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.34,0:12:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I prefer the next slide: you want to go to it, Vance?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.57,0:12:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is more the way I see curation,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.91,0:12:50.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you collect material, you organize it,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.74,0:12:53.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is even the potentially a path, well, there is certainly a path
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.75,0:12:56.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the individual material groups,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.10,0:12:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then mayble even a path through the groups,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.98,0:13:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although at the moment I haven't done that last point.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.06,0:13:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this is, you know, kind of captures the idea that I want to talk about today.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.29,0:13:13.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Curation, importantly, is not the same as creation or recreation
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.43,0:13:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or adaptation or sampling, or synthesizing.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.26,0:13:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's taking the material and adding something to it, maybe just a commentary,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.76,0:13:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe just collecting it into some logical framework or logical sequence.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.18,0:13:40.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when I took that idea, which I was getting through the Curation Nation book,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.25,0:13:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thought about it with respect to the material that I was using,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.16,0:13:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I decided to experiment with that and come up
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.54,0:13:57.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with some collections of materials from -- as you probably know from the title here and also the PDF,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.22,0:13:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you've had a look at it -- comes from TED Talks.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.48,0:14:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in a moment I will talk about why I think TED talks is so good for that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.23,0:14:07.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at the base level, these were very popular with my students.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.24,0:14:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What the students were doing more--
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.46,0:14:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were having trouble coming up with good ones.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.17,0:14:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would always pick what was interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.93,0:14:19.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then often come back to me and say
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.27,0:14:24.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, this was interesting, but I had trouble understanding it because my --
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.71,0:14:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the accent of the speaker was not easy for me to understand."
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.66,0:14:33.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or "I had trouble understanding it because -- it was interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.44,0:14:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I didn't know anything about it and I didn't have the background
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.84,0:14:39.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so there was a whole bunch of new vocabulary."
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.18,0:14:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So t could be interesting for all sorts of reasons,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.06,0:14:45.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it wasn't interesting for the right reasons,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.21,0:14:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for what we think is good for independent language learning.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.76,0:14:54.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, this doesn't mean that all of those collections, with the help of a teacher,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.02,0:14:57.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,couldn't have been very valuable in a classroom
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.01,0:15:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and especially getting to the content for connecting to discussions.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.00,0:15:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's not the same thing as letting students work on their own.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.42,0:15:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I do want to emphasis that.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.88,0:15:10.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My perspective here, at least initially,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.54,0:15:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is getting students to be able to do these things outside of class
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.88,0:15:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then just come back and report on them
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.92,0:15:21.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than having something we do in class
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.14,0:15:24.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that everybody does the same homework assignment on.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.89,0:15:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alright, so that's the set-up for what I believe curation should be,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.52,0:15:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or at least can be, within this framework.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.94,0:15:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I think what I'll do here is pause for a second and see if anybody has questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.97,0:15:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and bring it up by trying to look at some of the chat pieces here
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.11,0:15:51.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh -- [{\i1}he hums{\i0}]
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.99,0:15:53.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[reading:] "What is meant by sign..."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.54,0:15:56.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, so some of these chats are to each other about the chats.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.82,0:15:58.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I got to go to the other window
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.49,0:16:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh -- anybody -- anybody have any questions here?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.80,0:16:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If not, I'll continue on.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.45,0:16:12.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: I have to admit I have trouble following all the chats.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.81,0:16:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's also a back channel here, with Google: some people could be in that one.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.61,0:16:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never see that one until I get off of --
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.88,0:16:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Well, the last chat -- the last piece on the group chat said:
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.69,0:16:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yeah, we agree with you, Phil."
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.62,0:16:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So: that's great.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.85,0:16:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll stop [check] there and if everybody agrees with me, I don't really need to --
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.50,0:16:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: you need go no further \N>> Hubbard: [overlapping, inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.20,0:16:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No [{\i1}Hubbard and Stevens laugh{\i0}]
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.98,0:16:41.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: OK, well, so, again, that's kind of the background,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.11,0:16:46.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this idea that I needed to start collecting things.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.91,0:16:50.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I'm still kind of almost two years in the past, now,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.24,0:16:54.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telling you the story of how I got to where I got here.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.06,0:16:59.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I picked TED talks and I started going into TED talks.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.59,0:17:03.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wasn't quite sure how I wanted to collect them
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.70,0:17:06.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I knew there were some of the ones that {\i1}I{\i0} liked
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.49,0:17:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I also knew some characteristics that I thought were useful for the students.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.71,0:17:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought it was important to collect them into themes.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.27,0:17:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, we've known for a long time that if you have related content,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.07,0:17:25.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it kind of feeds -- the materials feed one another
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.79,0:17:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the students get probably a better and a richer experience,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.96,0:17:32.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they get more natural repetition and key vocabulary
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.100,0:17:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than if you have people just kind of jumping out piecemeal
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.86,0:17:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with unconnected bits of material.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.94,0:17:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I -- in the 1980's I was forced to teach a course with a book I don't remember the name of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.44,0:17:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do remember the author, but I'm not going to mention it on air.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.52,0:17:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a reading textbook and the reading textbook had really interesting little chapters,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.72,0:18:02.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least most of them were interesting to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.63,0:18:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, you know, one chapter would be on the Olympics
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.40,0:18:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the next chapter would be on sea-horses.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.71,0:18:14.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's that kind of jumping around -- we typically don't do that with textbooks anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.19,0:18:18.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yet when we turn students loose, a lot of times, that's what {\i1}they{\i0} decide to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.58,0:18:22.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, even though I had been giving them guidance, saying:
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.84,0:18:28.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, collect several bits of, you know, pieces of material, videos or podcasts
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.46,0:18:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are related to one another in some way,"
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.81,0:18:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they wouldn't follow that advice, because it hadn't been done for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.55,0:18:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were still kind of chasing around, looking for the spots that just seemed interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.43,0:18:49.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. I think what I'll do is tell you what the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.11,0:18:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- at a kind of the abstract level, what I came up with
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.59,0:18:56.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what the curator's role should be.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.26,0:19:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, this is specifically for this target audience,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.04,0:19:05.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think it can be tweaked and extended to other ones.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.55,0:19:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first thing you have to do is collect the stuff: you want digital materials,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.21,0:19:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you want to organize them in some way:
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.28,0:19:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mine are organized systematically, but you could do
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.25,0:19:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- you know, you could take news stories and do them chronologically.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.97,0:19:28.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need to sequence them and this is where a lot of collections fall short.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.73,0:19:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're just -- they're either randomly sequenced
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.47,0:19:34.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they're not sequenced at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.75,0:19:40.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think it is possible, as, you know, as the resident [check] expert, the teacher,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.92,0:19:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to say:
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.92,0:19:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Here's a way to move so that the earlier ones might be a little bit easier to follow
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.55,0:19:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the later ones are better understood if you've done the earlier ones."
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.76,0:19:56.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fourth point there that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.65,0:19:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- on the slide that Vance has --
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.35,0:20:01.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the hardest part of all of this,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.56,0:20:07.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is trying to get this material levelled in some way.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.46,0:20:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wilfried Decoo in 2010 wrote a book, it's at the end
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.05,0:20:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- the reference is at the end of the slideshow here --
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.84,0:20:17.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on systemization.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.54,0:20:20.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was kind of a return to the idea that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.62,0:20:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if you're using authentic material,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.06,0:20:27.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and especially if you're trying to create course material yourself,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.94,0:20:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you need to have a kind of natural development of that material
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.06,0:20:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from, you know, easier at lower levels, to harder
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.95,0:20:43.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he went to the point of even talking about keeping databases
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.68,0:20:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were very finely tuned,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.16,0:20:50.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you would be able to pull out lexical items and grammatical points and so on
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.29,0:20:54.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a scope and sequence that fit
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.22,0:20:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we thought we knew about language learning.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.78,0:21:01.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know his -- I think his perspective is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.59,0:21:05.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I think is a reasonable one to bring up again,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.59,0:21:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I think we are often not cognizant of the difference between
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.32,0:21:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accessible and barely accessible and inaccessible materials,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.57,0:21:19.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially now that students can go in and, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.55,0:21:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get their first-language subtitles and transcripts for a lot of these materials
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.17,0:21:32.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then have the illusion that they are actually understanding the English, in this case,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.12,0:21:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that they're building their English proficiency, where they --
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.17,0:21:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- they may be to some extent, but probably not to the extent that they think they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.15,0:21:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is the, you know, that idea of --
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.27,0:21:54.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, in Decoo's book of fine tuning material.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.71,0:21:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That doesn't work for me because at the levels I have,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.26,0:22:01.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first of all, I have mixed-level classes to some degree,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.30,0:22:03.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although they are all fairly advanced.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.44,0:22:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They come from different backgrounds, I don't know what they know going in.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.57,0:22:13.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's a little tricky to do it in the way that he likes.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.64,0:22:19.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it still gave me the impetus to try and see if I could come up with something,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.27,0:22:21.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, I'll show you that in a bit.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.56,0:22:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the last part of that, then, once you can give at least some kind of level information,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.90,0:22:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to go ahead and then present your pedagogical support,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.44,0:22:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever it might be.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.85,0:22:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is fairly open-ended, I mean teachers can get -- and often do get -- into material
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.76,0:22:48.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they start stripping out what they think are key vocabulary,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.06,0:22:52.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they produce, you know, pre-listening activities,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.78,0:22:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have post-listening activities,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.74,0:22:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have discussion activities.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.15,0:23:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All these are great, but they're based kind of on a classroom model
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.22,0:23:06.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and even more important: they take a lot of time away
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.59,0:23:11.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the job of collecting this material.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.29,0:23:15.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you put the hours into making full lessons,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.54,0:23:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you end up not having the time to even produce as much as I have,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.68,0:23:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, as I mentioned, is not as much as I'd like.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.98,0:23:30.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, so that's the curator's role and then -- Vance, if you could go to the next slide.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.63,0:23:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did we lose you?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.99,0:23:36.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Museum curator MC [check]: Hi Phil, I just wanted to add to something you--
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.49,0:23:37.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yes, go ahead
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.47,0:23:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> MC: Just because of my background:
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.84,0:23:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to work in museums\N>> Hubbard: Oh, fantastic
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.34,0:23:44.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> MC: in education and curation\N>> Hubbard: A real curator!
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.99,0:23:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> MC: Yeah. Just one other item I would add to the list
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.31,0:23:53.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I made a note of it in the chat section
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.03,0:23:57.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's the -- often without knowing it we're making assumptions about our audience.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.11,0:24:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Ah!\N>> MC: When we're selecting things,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.27,0:24:08.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether they be objects for display or -- like in the museums -- or
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.87,0:24:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,objects for presentations to students, we're often unknowingly making assumptions
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.81,0:24:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think it's a really important thing to know, to challenge ourselves
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.40,0:24:24.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the assumptions we're making in making those selections, those choices, as experts.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.06,0:24:27.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah, I mean that's a very good point
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.42,0:24:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have to -- as individuals, the students always change in my classes.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.71,0:24:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a group, you know, I get to know the group better.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.78,0:24:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think, in this very targeted group, I can --
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.22,0:24:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can come up with at least, initially, some likely ones,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.72,0:24:51.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do in fact ask them for feedback on --
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.25,0:24:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, first of all, I give them choices and then I ask them for feedback
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.45,0:25:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both on, you know, what they chose and why, of the ones I selected for them,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.80,0:25:05.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also what else they might like to see.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:06.71,0:25:09.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it becomes a {\i1}little bit{\i0} od a dialog,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.06,0:25:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that could be even more of a dialog, you know, if you have --
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.56,0:25:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way my class is structured, again, because it's so small,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.39,0:25:23.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we do a lot both within class discussion and with the individual tutorials.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.57,0:25:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you got a larger class and you got a discussion board or a wiki or something like that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.34,0:25:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where, you know, students can -- can chime in more regularly,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.40,0:25:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you could get some information.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.07,0:25:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also haven't formally surveyed them, so that would be useful too. I --
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.60,0:25:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> MC: You're inviting their feedback to inform --\N>> Hubbard: Very much so. Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.83,0:25:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> MC: Yeah --\N>> Hubbard: But not as richly as I could.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.64,0:25:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So one idea I had was that, you know, like you've seen probably in museums,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.45,0:26:02.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes they have the displays but they'll also have, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.16,0:26:04.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,places where people can, you know, write cards
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.71,0:26:08.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and make suggestions and say things and drop those off
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.74,0:26:15.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think, probably increasingly, we'll see museum displays
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.30,0:26:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the, you know, the viewers' thoughts are right up there and accessible to other viewers
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.60,0:26:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they go to look at the material.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.76,0:26:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think you're making a really good point and, you know, this is the --
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.76,0:26:42.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,figuring out exactly the role of the students who are still kind of developing,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.79,0:26:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you want to meet them half way but you also, in the curation model, I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.60,0:26:52.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to be careful about the difference between curation and crowdsourcing,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.52,0:26:56.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I've had students come up with some materials
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.07,0:26:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they thought were really exciting,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.11,0:26:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when {\i1}I{\i0} looked at it, I could see what the problems were in terms of the --
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.25,0:27:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the use of it by other students.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.16,0:27:10.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> MC: Now I take your point: it's you acting as the filter.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.96,0:27:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> MC: and finding --\N>> Hubbard: Yeah, and that's --
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.51,0:27:16.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and again that's -- and again that's the -- this is the kind of, to me, this the curation model.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:17.35,0:27:19.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> MC: Yeah\N>> Hubbard: The crowdsourcing model
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.43,0:27:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a great model too, it's just a different model
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.85,0:27:24.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it may work better in some cases.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.98,0:27:28.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course it also depends on, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.43,0:27:32.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been to museums that I didn't think were very well run, were very well organized
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.79,0:27:34.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or were confusing.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.05,0:27:34.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So --\N>> MC: Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.85,0:27:37.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: as soon as you have the human expert coming in,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.40,0:27:40.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they may not be as much of an expert as they think they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.18,0:27:44.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's probably true of me, in fact.\N>> MC: Yeah, and there are lots of people [check]
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.18,0:27:47.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of examples of museums, because I'm into curating things
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.78,0:27:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I'm finding out that the interpretations that they were expecting audiences to have
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.62,0:27:56.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were completely off-base.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.72,0:27:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah.\N>> MC: I think that's a good example
Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.62,0:28:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of big money going into these exhibitions and then being interpreted in a completely unexpected --
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.90,0:28:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah, well, the good news here is, I have no big money.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:09.32,0:28:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mostly have no money at all for this. So -- [he laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:28:13.66,0:28:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's also, the nice thing is, you know, compared to the museum,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:18.04,0:28:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you have all of these Unkosten [? check] to putting the material in,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.02,0:28:26.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once you have something, you start a web page:
Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.06,0:28:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it is a disaster, or if it needs to be tweaked or significantly changed,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.44,0:28:38.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's possible to do that just by finding a little bit of time.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.73,0:28:44.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MC and Hubbard overlap]\N>> MC It's just [missed words check]
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.33,0:28:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's even an opportunity, actually, in, as an expert,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.09,0:28:52.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting together a series of well-chosen articles
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.11,0:28:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then inviting students to assemble them and put them into a -- into an order or sequence,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.16,0:29:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to try and explain the rationale that they've used,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.31,0:29:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what connections they've seen in the works.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.26,0:29:05.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just another angle to it I sure would --
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.96,0:29:08.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: No, it's a very good angle and in fact, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.91,0:29:16.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I've moved through stages in probably about 15 years of teaching this course,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.36,0:29:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've tried to give students more independence but also to give them guidance in that independence
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.28,0:29:28.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one of the -- what I hope I'm doing with the material I have,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.37,0:29:30.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do show them how I put it together.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.67,0:29:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I hope I'm, you know, kind of modeling curation for them as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.63,0:29:41.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea of getting them to maybe do a little curated piece of their own,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.77,0:29:45.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be an interesting final project for the course.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.91,0:29:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will be revisiting it again in Spring.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.66,0:29:52.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll be away from it in Winter quarter here
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.73,0:29:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we have -- we teach 10-week quarters.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.68,0:29:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's a possibility for Spring, actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.36,0:30:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could also greatly enrich the collection of material that's available to other students.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.23,0:30:08.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, as long as I'm there to be a kind of a filter,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.11,0:30:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than just releasing these into the wild.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.50,0:30:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or if I do release them, you know, making sure that students know the difference
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.81,0:30:18.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between ones that are student-produced and the once that I produced
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.49,0:30:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and why, you know, I did mine one way.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.76,0:30:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then they can -- they can judge to some extent, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.38,0:30:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether they think the rationale used by their peers, you know, was useful for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.14,0:30:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's a nice idea, I'm making a note of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.17,0:30:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, shall I move on?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.47,0:30:48.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> [Stevens? check] Yeah. I'm aware of a podcast - there's the slide on I'm talking --
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.75,0:30:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah, thanks\N[they laugh]
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.67,0:30:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens (?): I listened to a podcast where some educators had gone to Europe,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.38,0:30:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably on a junket but ostensibly\N[Hubbard laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.00,0:31:01.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: to visit museums and find out, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.59,0:31:05.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially ones that had audience attract--
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.35,0:31:09.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, the idea was that museums, people didn't have to go there,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.20,0:31:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have to attract people.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.38,0:31:13.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what do they do to attract the people, as opposed to schools?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.99,0:31:17.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, how can we design our classroom environment
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.84,0:31:19.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's more like a museum?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.29,0:31:23.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that was actually a serious project and I'll never remember --
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.63,0:31:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll never forget how to get it back, but maybe I will tell you in Portmont [check].
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.04,0:31:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Ah OK? So that was good.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.08,0:31:38.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, so Vance has put up the slide that I wanted to make a point of here,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:38.01,0:31:41.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there are a couple of things that are important about this slide, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.56,0:31:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first is, even though these are just little bullet points,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.80,0:31:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that actually took me a while to kind of figure this out, maybe because I'm slow, but --
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.30,0:31:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oop, Vance, I lost the slide.\N>> Stevens: it is here again? >> Hubbard: thanks.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.02,0:32:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because of all the other distractions I have
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.38,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and because of other elements of where I am and what the -- sort of the visibility,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first thing I have to make sure is that anything that I curate is actually legally available.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a certain amount of stuff that I had used years before, even in my own class,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wasn't quite so sure about what the legality was, I think, in the early days of the internet.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even now with YouTube I try to be careful about making sure that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I found is something that whoever put it up either has the right to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they're reposting something that is --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's already got a Creative Commons license or something like that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, especially for something I'm going to put some time into here,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to make sure that what I've got is something I can use.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also always want to make it freely available
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because my students have friends back in their home countries
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they have even colleagues here who don't end up taking my class
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have colleagues that are interested in using some of the material I do,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so everything I do in this kind of a project, I try to make sure it's freely available on the Web.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vance, we lost the slide again, or at least I did.\N[incomprehensible metallic voice - check]
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Oh wait, is this Halima saying something?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: No, Halima is unmuting herself as soon as she comes into the chat.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm going to have to -- Halima, can you mute your microphone?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it's causing feedback.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I hope you can figure that out, and meanwhile we put this back.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it back yet [missed words check] Phil?\N>>Hubbard: Yeah, that's great.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, so the "freely and legally available" is an important quality
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know, TED talks obviously are ideal for that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're likely to be interesting.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again that's something -- oops, lost the slide again,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'll just go ahead and walk through these.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Likely to be interesting", I guess that connects to a previous commentary [laughs]
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we don't always know what students think are interesting,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I try to pick things that I think,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, have a good chance of being interesting for the students.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The good technical quality: there is a lot of stuff, obviously,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,available on the Web that's not, that's interesting and freely and legally available,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the technical quality is such that it may be less ideal for language learning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're getting better at that now, certainly, than in the old days,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when - when you're looking for material, if it's been overly compressed,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it was done with devices that weren't that good in the first place,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it doesn't necessarily lend itself as well for language learning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stability is a really important point, because I don't want to do this
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then find out what I did is not available the next time I teach the class,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even the next week.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, finding material that has -- either has been up for a while
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that you know is going to continue being up for a while.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The 5th one is a -- you know, people have different views of this,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but because I'm so tied in with vocabulary development along with comprehension,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to me it's critical to have captions at least -- [coughs] excuse me, losing my voice here --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have captions at least and ideally, to have transcripts.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the reasons for transcripts is to be able to try to use the material
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I'll show you in a moment here some of you are probably familiar with:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the vocabulary profile from lextutor.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By using -- by dumping the transcript into that, you can get an idea of levelling.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you don't have a transcript,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you have to kind of use just intuitive feels for what's the level.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I've personally seen some pretty significant problems with that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I may mention one towards the end here
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I get to some of the alternative sites I know that already exist for this.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then ideally, if you can find complem --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that has complementary materials.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, in the case of TED talks, you've got materials that are --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a brief summary of whatever the talk is, right there available,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't have to create it as the curator,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've got the bio of the speaker, which is good background information,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in some cases you even have -- I think, what do the call it, TED Ed or something --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are some TED talks that even have some additional material that --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people have added to them, in the way of discussion questions and things like that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,TED's not as rich as, say, you know, if you're doing a newscast for example,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you might have several written forms of the same news story
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you can use for back up:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not quite as rich as that,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's still pretty good with giving you some of these complementary materials, besides the video itself.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. You want to move on to the next --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Actually, that's a couple of slides\N>> Stevens: Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: does someone have a question?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens [check]: Yes, Peggy George has asked questions in the text chat, the Etherpad one.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's see, I can -- she asks:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Are your students able to share your curated content with others outside the course?"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yes. Yes: you'll see the --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in fact I think it comes up here on the next slide or couple of slides.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually the next slide, if you go to the next slide, let me talk briefly about that,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it does have to do with the sharing.\N>> Stevens: OK
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: So that the link there is to the advanced listening website
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you'll see, you know, quite a bit of material there,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not just the TED talks.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The specific link to the curated TED talks is a couple of slides from here
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but those are -- those themselves are legally and freely available.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're {\i1}my{\i0} websites, they are on the Stanford server:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stanford is not going away any time soon, as far as I know {\i1}I'm{\i0} not going away any time soon.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So those are not only, you know, available on the World Wide Web,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless you happen to be from a country that's for some reason blocking access to Stanford:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has happened a few times in the past.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if not, then you can get to that material
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all it does is jump out to the TED talks themselves
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the TED talks again are, you know, freely available.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I noticed in one of the preliminary discussions
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that somebody had put in some comments, before this began, on the learning2gether site,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and mentioned YouTube videos, and YouTube videos are certainly a great resource,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most of my students are from China and most of them, then, unless things have changed,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can't freely and legally get the YouTube videos there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so for that reason I try to -- I don't avoid YouTube
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I try to limit it and I like to make the curated collections
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that my students will be able to use and their friends will be able to use.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. Any other questions?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh, so, yeah, so they are available and when I -- just so you know --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I redo the course every quarter, that URL there stays the same, the material is new.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, most of it is old actually, but I do update it,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes because I come up with other ideas
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes because some of my other class material disappears.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the home page of that each quarter has the link to the previous quarter's materials,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you can actually step back from quarter to quarter and go back.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never throw anything away on the Web, so it's probably got stuff from 5 years ago
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you keep clicking back through the previous quarters' material.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can see what it was like in the past ["without"? check] sort of my Internet Archive.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. The way that I did this material, let me move on to the --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess on this slide.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problems that my students have, typically, fall into issues with speech rate:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the TED talks are too fast.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't mean they can't, you know, use top-down skills to understand the basic content,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's not necessarily going to help them drive their --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either their listening proficiency, you know, their ability to process English, automatize it,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or their ability to pick out the vocabulary that they don't understand or --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even more interesting is the vocabulary they sort of understand or partially understand,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they just can't get to it, they can't access it in the time with a faster speaker.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are others in my class, actually, that do OK with some of the faster speakers,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but just having knowledge of the speech rate is useful.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Preliminary knowledge of the accent: just a -- since in some cases we have students
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are having particular difficulties with particular accents, often of their professors,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they may actually be doing a project where they're trying to focus on that accent.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so in that case, knowing more about the accent is helpful.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And others are really trying to -- I wouldn't say "master",
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at least becoming -- become more proficient with the North American accent
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they plan on not only doing their graduate work here, but staying a few years afterwards.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a very common professional track for our students who are at the Master's or the Ph.D. level, to --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because so many of them are in technology, they want to hang around Silicon Valley
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as much as the can after they, after the graduate.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. If you could go to the next slide, Vance?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: OK I might \N[both overlap]
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: You mentioned Claude Almansi's contribution to the wiki there
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one thing that she said -- she left this on the Google+ page as well:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I post this to several pages.\NLet me just get rid of that slide for a second.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see I can do that by clicking off the screen share for a second, OK?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, anyway. She does work in closed captioning,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she does a lot of very interesting work related to MOOCs [check] where she is.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the suggestions she made -- I didn't know this, but maybe you did already,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you can -- she said you can, if you get the MP4, if you get an MP4 of a YouTube video,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can then load it into Audacity -- I didn't know that --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you can adjust the rate of speech there, without causing any chipmunk effects.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Mmm.\N>> Stevens: I thought that was kind of neat.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sounds like useful information?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah, that's -- again, there are lots of things you can do to go more deeply into this stuff.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I -- one of the things I do with TED talks is, you can also download TED talks and you can --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if you put them into something, well I use the VLC player,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the speech rate is right on the top,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's much easier to get at than it is in QuickTime or in Windows Media Player.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like the VLC player for other reasons, in fact.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, you know, once you have downloaded you can use the VLC player to --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the most part you don't really get the chipmunk effect
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's trying to expand the time domain without changing the frequency,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not like the old days with LP's and cassette tapes
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where time and frequency were connected to one another.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Digitally, you can isolate those.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we found is that if you slow somebody down to about 80%,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can get a lot more processing time and it still sounds natural as long as you have good material.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have material that's already been compressed too much,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then those compression artefacts become stronger if you try to slow it down.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Occasionally, we get people that my students want to speed up
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but most of the time, for language learning processes, we're talking about slowing it down.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's -- using, changing speech rate, that's a whole different talk,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's, I think, a very underused functionality and something that students sometimes baulk from
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we have some research evidence that it's helpful when the students have control over it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, I don't want to diverge too much on that, but that's a --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do encourage everybody to read that post
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and see in more details what some of the options are for doing that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, one of the -- one of the problems with using the VLC player with those is,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you -- if you do try to slow down the speech rate downloading it and putting it in the VLC player,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you actually move the subtitles, because the subtitle feature --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the captioning feature in the TED website is built into the website, it's not built into the video.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so you would need to do some additional captioning if you want to do that. (47:38)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My -- if your goal is general comprehension and you've got decent material,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I'm a fan of using the Google beta transcription.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even with good material it makes a lot of mistakes
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with material which, you know, isn't really, really clear,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the speaker wasn't clear, because the signal wasn't clear,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it makes a lot more mistakes.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in my case, when I'm trying to have students use it for vocabulary development,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it's got -- if it picks the wrong word, then they're going to be learning something pretty weird.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it does that all the time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you change that and, you know, get around to Google Translate, to get first-language captions,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just accentuate the error rate.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, it really depends on what the goal is.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the goal is let the students watch a video for cultural and general content information,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe to trigger classroom discussions, things like that,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then using the automated captions is not a bad idea
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and being able to slow down is not necessarily -- is, well, I think a good idea.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, it depends on what the goals are, but you have to be careful,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because Google beta, there is a reason why they keep calling it beta,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's because it's pretty error-prone.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's getting better but it's not there yet. (49:00)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if students think it's an accurate rendition
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then that's going to be even more difficult.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you do use the automated captions then the students need to be
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prepared for... to be able to recognize when something doesn't make sense.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because usually it's a very obvious semantic issue.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With the words they pick.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One other thing, I don't remember if it was in that post or another one but
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something I had noticed before someone mentioned that the slight delay in the
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,synchronization of the captions in Ted compared to the system they were suggesting.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, uh, that's something else to take into account.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If that delay seems to be an issue for you or your students it's something that I plan to explore
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I hadn't noticed that before.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, uh, a little bit about how I figured out to do this which is not
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way I would recommend doing it now necessarily
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is how I started working on this. When I did it I guess it was Spring of 2011
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first thing was to...oh no, it wasn't Spring, it was Fall of 2011.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First thing to do is to get the Ted database.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Turns out you can get an excel spreadsheet that has all of the Ted talks on it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can go to their website you can see that there's a link for that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The nice thing about that is that you can skim that a whole lot more easily
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than you can skim other material and you can also look, among other things, at what the
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,length of the talk is. And most Ted talks are around 18 minutes and most students attention focus ability is less.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, okay, the database then when I found it myself, it was smaller at that point for one thing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did sort of skim it and looked for ideas and looked for theme
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and searched for key words
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So creativity was one of the first ones I did
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I was able to search for anything that had creativity
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either in its description or in its title.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I put together a list of candidates in that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was looking for four or five talks to make a kind of a cluster
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of a virtual room in the museum if you will