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You see? Okay.

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- A lot of times you say that you feel that

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economic collapse is the only way change is going to occur,

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but what I try to tell people is that,

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I was convinced, and Neal was convinced,

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and a lot of other people are convinced just by the logic of the argument itself,

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if we can tell a large number of people and convince a large number of people,

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we could avoid this whole collapse,

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and then make an intelligent, directional decision to go in that direction.

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Boy, do you own any broadcasting companies?

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- No, not yet.

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Oh. I think it’s very hard to do for the average guy,

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unless you are very wealthy, unless you can buy a broadcasting company

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and get more time on the internet.

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If you speak in terms that people will want to listen to,

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like, you have to [use] the same sales pitch they use for other things.

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You have to say “How would you like to live in a world without war?” and all that sort of thing.

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“Well, that’s impossible, no. ” Give them answers to ‘the how’ you can do it.

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And if there are enough people that understand what you're doing, we’ll have social change.

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If there are not enough, or there’s been too much damage...

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like a jew could never sell, raise money, at a Nazi meeting for the B’nai B’rith;

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that’s a Jewish organization.

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He can’t raise any money because they can’t hear him.

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You can’t raise money to support radicals and communists at a Klan meeting.

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You may raise a dime, but I doubt whether you’d raise any money there.

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It isn't that... people are already indoctrinated,

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and the brain associative system is there; it’s fixed.

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And very few people would say “How would The Venus Project deal with this?”

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or “How would it deal with… .” They get mad because it’s not a free enterprise system.

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So they... In a free enterprise system, you say “If you nationalize everything you kill incentive.”

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And then... And psychologists that do studies on cooperative systems

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and sharing systems seem to find that the price/money system is the best.

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And in [the] communist world they say sharing ideas is the best.

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And it depends on the psychiatrist, where he was brought up.

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And [if] a psychiatrist finds out that people should be free to pursue any direction they want to,

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he’s not very popular. Is that clear?

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People like to believe that they make free choices,

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that they have the ability to think and reason.

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You get up and tell them “You’re just a robot in a given culture”,

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that is not something they’re willing to accept.
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Then you get up and say “After you kick the bucket, you rot away:

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ashes to ashes, dust to dust.”

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They want to fly away to ‘happy land’, where everything is okay.

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Don’t forget: you take away their religion, you take away their identity.

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So, as you take away religion, you have to give them something else:

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that we could attain immortality, if we wanted it,

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to do research on what is aging.

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I think I talked to you about plaque accumulating in the blood vessels

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and the nutrients can't get out,

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so you wrinkle; not because you’re getting old,

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because the body is unable... the cells multiply for a certain period of time, then they stop.

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We have to find out what the stop mechanism is.

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That... Is immortality possible? Yes.

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But I don't think people would be happy living a thousand years.

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They’d be bored shitless, you know,

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because you’d hear the same thing from other people:

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“My wife just gave birth to a nice little girl”, and then [you’d hear that] for thousands of years, you know?

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So I think that people will change in the future.

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They will redesign the human body, put an eye in the back of the head

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by new genetic engineering, not the stuff you have today.

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But they’ll make us more sensitive,

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and our brain will be made of tissue that can absorb certain things, fast;

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you won’t have to read a book 4 or 5 times.

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But if we don’t engineer ourselves we can’t keep up with technology.

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If technology can handle, like I said, a thousand trillion bits per second.

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Man will say “What do we have to do to keep up with it?”

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And you’ll have to redesign the human system.

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If they can only handle 7 channels at once that can’t keep up with technology.

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In the future technology will be assigned decision making,

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then management, then environmental care, you know,

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it’ll manage agriculture and everything else.

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It’ll tell you what’s best for you.

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You sit in front of a computer, [and] you say “What should I study?”

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And then it’ll ask you certain questions, and evaluate your answers,

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and tell you what to study, what’s more appropriate for you.

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People, in the beginning, will say “I'm not going to listen to a machine.”

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When you can’t tell the difference whether you’re talking to a computer or a machine,

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then it means you’ve attained that state.

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But, you will have a machine-person that looks like a normal person.

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Now, when he’d be a psychiatrist in the future,

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and when you’d tell him your problems his eyebrows would move to the right angle and everything,

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“Is that right? Your dad did that to you? How horrible!”

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all the facial expressions that you need to understand.

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“But, Fresco, that may not have that.”

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But you can design machines [so] when a person says

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“I come from the Arab world.”, it’ll talk to him in his terms, in his values,

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with the same [facial expressions], and it’ll look like an Arab. Do you understand what I'm saying?

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Because we are inclined not to listen to people that are not like us.

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So, there’s a lot of problems up ahead. We’re not sane, yet.

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None of us [are sane, yet] because we’re brought up in a given environment,

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and we use the old language, I have to use it, to speak to people.

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I can’t say “I’ll see you at sunrise”

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because I know the Earth rotates in the direction of the sun; the sun doesn’t rise.

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We haven’t changed and updated our language for hundreds of years.

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So how can you expect to talk to people, or communicate,

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if they haven’t updated their language?

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If a guy says “It’s all within people. People are basically good, all they have to do is choose to be good.”

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You know, “They’re basically good.” They‘re basically nothing.

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They can kill people or not kill people.

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It depends on the way you raise them. Does that make sense? - Yeah.

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I don’t... People are not basically good or bad; they’re nothing.

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They can be trained to kill Eskimos, or Jews, or Swedes, or anything.

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- I’m trying to get to, I’m just trying to get to,...

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I want to convince, and I want everybody out there, you know, to the camera to know

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I want to work on things right now, I don't want to wait for a collapse, I think we should...

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I don’t ask you to. Work on things!

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- But what are we going to do right now? And how...

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But, don’t use straight logic with people.

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Try to find out where they’re at, and come at them as best you can utilizing their values.

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And take it... Now you might meet some people that’ll take 4 years to change;

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some, 20 years. Skip ‘em! Move on.

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It doesn’t take everybody to make a wonderful world.

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I would say all the technology that we have today

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is probably based on the work of 50 people, not millions of people;

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you don’t have to convince everybody.

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You have to convince the upper middle class and the educated people,

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if you... they’re more apt to understand it.

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I don’t say they’re better; they’re more apt to understand it.

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- Yeah. I don’t have a broadcasting station,

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but if I can convince one broadcasting person to express (?) this message,

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do you think there is possibility, [there is] hope, that we can reach enough people, reach the right people?

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If you do that, and it doesn’t serve the interest of the broadcasting company

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they have the power to ridicule you from a hundred of different points.

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And you don’t meet your opposition on TV and have a one to one discussion.

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They’ll have 20 people that are against you.

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You know, it’s very difficult unless you control NBC.

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I thought years ago the Russians should’ve bought NBC. Everything is for sale,

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and they could’ve pitched if they wanted communism.

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Everything in America is for sale, by the way.

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We’re selling to the Spaniards many of our bridges,

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did you know that, to Spain? Toll bridges.

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So, the Spanish... Our government is selling bridges that the public paid for,

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because they need money.

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Well, pretty soon, they’ll sell the banks and other things,

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and the country will belong to somebody else.

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It’s almost that way now with China.

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We own so much to China, and other countries that lend us money, that America is for sale.

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It’s a monetary system, they don’t give a hoot about anything but sustaining their system.

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The proof is that they gave the money to the people that created the problem,

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and the banks, and industry, and General Motors.

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So, they never asked the public what do you want.

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[The] Public doesn’t know, what I should want, you know.

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And this guy at this center, I don’t know if you ever heard if it,

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the Center for the Preservation of Democratic institutions, in Santa Barbara...