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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:09.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}silent 30C3 preroll titles{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.39,0:00:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NHerald: Alright!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.84,0:00:18.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good evening, everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.87,0:00:21.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The ‘Saal’ is pretty full?\NSo I guess this is gonna be
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.35,0:00:26.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an interesting talk.\NWe are on a tight schedule.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.05,0:00:31.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our speaker, Jake Appelbaum is gonna be\Njoined by Julian Assange via video stream.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.55,0:00:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really hope that’s gonna work.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.48,0:00:40.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So without further ado – please\Nwelcome our speaker and… have fun!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.22,0:00:52.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause, some cheers{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.49,0:00:55.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob Appelbaum: So we have a surprise\Nguest. Some of you might know her.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.60,0:00:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She saved Edward Snowden’s life.\NHer name is Sarah Harrison.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.68,0:01:06.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause and loud cheers{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.97,0:01:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Jacob applauding as Sarah prepares{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.33,0:01:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}continued applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.50,0:02:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah Harrison: Thank you.\N{\i1}she and Jacob laugh{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.63,0:02:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}\N{\i1}one shout from audience{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.23,0:02:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good evening. My name is Sarah\NHarrison as you all appear to know.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.42,0:02:14.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m a journalist working for Wikileaks.\NThis year I was part – as Jacob just said –
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.55,0:02:17.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Wikileaks team that saved\NSnowden from a life in prison.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.78,0:02:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This act, and my job has meant that\Nour legal advice is that I do not return
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.87,0:02:26.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to my home, the United Kingdom, due to\Nthe ongoing terrorism investigation there,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.26,0:02:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in relation to the movement of\NEdward Snowden documents.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.43,0:02:33.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The U.K. Government has chosen to\Ndefine disclosing classified documents
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.19,0:02:37.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with an intent to influence Government\Nbehaviour as terrorism. I’m therefore
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.58,0:02:42.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,currently remaining in Germany. But\Nit’s not just myself, personally, that has
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.03,0:02:46.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,legal issues of Wikileaks. For a fourth\NChristmas, our editor Julian Assange
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.11,0:02:50.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,continues to be detained without charge\Nin the U.K. He’s been granted formal
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.09,0:02:53.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political asylum by Ecuador due to\Nthe threat from the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.95,0:02:57.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in breach of international law the\NU.K. continues to refuse to allow him
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.95,0:03:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his legal right to take up this asylum.\NIn November of this year,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.97,0:03:07.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a U.S. Government official confirmed that\Nthe enormous Grand Jury investigation
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.76,0:03:13.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which commenced in 2010 into Wikileaks,\Nits stuff and specifically Julian Assange
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.35,0:03:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,continues. This was then confirmed by the\Nspokesperson of the prosecutor’s office
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.00,0:03:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Virginia. The Icelandic Parliament\Nheld an inquiry earlier this year where it
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.21,0:03:28.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,found that the FBI had secretly and\Nunlawfully sent nine agents to Iceland
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.15,0:03:32.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to conduct an investigation into Wikileaks\Nthere. Further secret interrogations
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.93,0:03:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,took place in Denmark and Washington.\NThe informant they were speaking with
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.12,0:03:41.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been charged with fraud and\Nconvicted on other charges in Iceland.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.93,0:03:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the Icelandic Supreme Court we won\Na substantial victory over the extra-legal
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.65,0:03:51.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,U.S. financial blockade that was erected\Nagainst us in 2010 by Visa, Mastercard,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.30,0:03:56.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paypal and other U.S. financial giants.\NSubsequently, Mastercard pulled out
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.12,0:04:01.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the blockade. We’ve since filed\Na $77 million legal case against Visa
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.32,0:04:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for damages. We filed a suit against Visa\Nin Denmark as well. And in response
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.70,0:04:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to questions about how Paypal’s owner can\Nstart a free press outlet whilst blocking
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.48,0:04:15.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another media organization, he has\Nannounced that the PayPal blockade
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.79,0:04:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Wikileaks has ended.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.42,0:04:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.88,0:04:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That wasn’t meant to be a pause for your\Nclap, I just needed some water. Sorry!
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.82,0:04:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We filed criminal cases in Sweden and\NGermany in relation to the unlawful
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.21,0:04:37.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Intelligence activity against us there,\Nincluding at the CCC in 2009.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.98,0:04:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Together with the Center for Constitutional\NRights we filed a suit against the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.96,0:04:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,U.S. military, against the unprecedented\Nsecrecy applied to Chelsea Manning’s
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.54,0:04:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trial. Yet through these attacks we’ve\Ncontinued our publishing work. In April
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.77,0:04:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this year, we launched the Public Library\Nof U.S. Diplomacy, the largest and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.48,0:04:57.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most comprehensive searchable database\Nof U.S. diplomatic cables in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.86,0:05:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This coincided with our release of 1.7\Nmillion U.S. cables from the Kissinger period.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.92,0:05:07.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We launched our third Spy Files, 249\Ndocuments from 92 global Intelligence
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.77,0:05:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contractors exposing their technology,\Nmethods, and contracts. We completed
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.40,0:05:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,releasing the Global Intelligence Files,\Nover five million emails from U.S. Intelligence
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.18,0:05:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,firm Stratfor, the revelations from which\Nincluded documenting their spying
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.85,0:05:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on activists around the globe. We\Npublished the primary negotiating
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.92,0:05:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,positions for 14 countries of\Nthe Trans-Pacific Partnership,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.22,0:05:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a new international legal regime that\Nwould control 40% of the world’s GDP.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.84,0:05:40.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As well as getting Snowden asylum, we set\Nup Mr. Snowden’s defence fund, part of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.49,0:05:44.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a broader endeavor, the Journalistic\NSource Protection Defence Fund, which aims
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.45,0:05:48.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to protect and fund sources in trouble.\NThis will be an important fund for
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.62,0:05:52.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,future sources, especially when we look\Nat the U.S. crackdown on whistleblowers
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.65,0:05:56.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Snowden and alleged Wikileaks source\NChelsea Manning who was sentenced
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.71,0:06:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this year to 35 years in prison, and\Nanother alleged Wikileaks source
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.54,0:06:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jeremy Hammond, who was sentenced to ten\Nyears in prison this November. These men
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.52,0:06:11.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,– Snowden, Manning and Hammond – are\Nprime examples of a politicized youth
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.49,0:06:15.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have grown up with a free internet\Nand want to keep it that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.47,0:06:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is this class of people that we\Nare here to discuss this evening,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.68,0:06:24.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the powers they and we all have, and can\Nhave, and the good that we can do with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.14,0:06:28.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m joined here tonight for this\Ndiscussion by two men I admire hugely:
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.08,0:06:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,– hopefully one of them will appear soon –\N{\i1}laughs{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.76,0:06:36.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wikileaks editor-in-chief Julian Assange\Nand Jacob Appelbaum, both who have had
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.06,0:06:39.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a long history in defending our right\Nto knowledge, despite political
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.46,0:06:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and legal pressure. There he is!\N{\i1}laughs{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.76,0:06:59.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause and cheers{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.52,0:07:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, Julian, saying as I haven’t\Nseen you for quite a while,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.08,0:07:08.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what’s been happening in this field\Nthis year? What’s your strategic view
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.33,0:07:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about it, this fight for\Nfreedom of knowledge?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.18,0:07:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are we winning or are we losing?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.86,0:07:15.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian Assange: {\i1}via A/V connection, on screen{\i0}\NWell, I have an 18-page speech
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.72,0:07:19.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the strategic vision. But I think\NI’ve got about five> minutes, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.91,0:07:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}coughs{\i0}\NSarah: At the most!
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.66,0:07:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, less? Okay. Well, first off,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.38,0:07:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s very interesting to see\Nthe CCC has grown by 30%
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.50,0:07:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the last year. And we can see the CCC
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.36,0:07:43.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a very important type of institution
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.40,0:07:47.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which does have analogues(?).\NThe CCC is a paradox
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.59,0:07:52.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that it has the vibrancy of a young\Nmovement, but also now has been going
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.53,0:07:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nearly 30 years since its founding\Nin 1981 by Wau Holland and others.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.04,0:08:01.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}video transmission stops/freezes{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.91,0:08:08.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: {\i1}laughs{\i0} Great point, great point.\N{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.53,0:08:10.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: Blame the NSA!\NSarah: He, heh?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.79,0:08:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: Blame the NSA!\N{\i1}Sarah laughs{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.71,0:08:14.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the new “blame Canada”!\N{\i1}Sounds of Skype, reconnecting{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.62,0:08:17.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: Is it here or the embassy\Nthat they’re spying on the most?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.49,0:08:32.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}\N{\i1}ongoing sounds of Skype reconnecting{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.90,0:08:37.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey, such a good talk, isn’t it, guys?\N{\i1}she laughs{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.49,0:08:39.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: I wish Bruce Willis [Assange's\NSkype name] would pick up the phone!
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.97,0:08:45.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.40,0:08:50.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: Should we move over while we’re\Nwaiting to you, Jake? As I said, I got…
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.46,0:08:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that it’s quite interesting, it\Ndoes seem to be a trend that there are
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.72,0:08:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these young, technical people. We look\Nat Manning, Snowden, Hammond…
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.76,0:09:01.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,often sysadmins. Why are they playing\Nsuch an important role in this fight
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.18,0:09:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for freedom of information?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.18,0:09:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: Well, so, I think there are\Na couple of important points.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.97,0:09:11.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first important point is to understand\Nthat all of us have agency, but some of us
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.15,0:09:14.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually literately have more agency than\Nothers in the sense that you have access
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.89,0:09:20.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to systems that give you access to\Ninformation that help to found knowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.07,0:09:25.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you have in your own head. So someone\Nlike Manning or someone like Snowden
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.35,0:09:28.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who has access to these documents in\Nthe course of their work, they will simply
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.61,0:09:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a better understanding of what is\Nactually happening. They have access
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.26,0:09:37.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the primary source documents.\NThat’s part of their job. This, I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.10,0:09:42.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fundamentally is a really critical,\NI would say a formative thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.98,0:09:46.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you start to read these original\Nsource documents you start to understand
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.07,0:09:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way that organizations actually think\Ninternally. I mean, this is one of the things
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.32,0:09:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Julian Assange has said quite a lot,\Nit’s that when you read the internal
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.92,0:09:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documents of an organization, that’s how\Nthey really think about a thing. This is
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.28,0:10:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different than a press release. And people\Nwho have grown up on the internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.64,0:10:04.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they’re essentially natives on the\Ninternet, and that’s all of us, I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.64,0:10:09.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the most part. It’s definitely me.\NThat essentially forms a way
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.38,0:10:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of thinking about organizations where\Nthe official thing that they say
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.24,0:10:15.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not interesting. You know that\Nthere is an agenda behind that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.55,0:10:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you don’t necessarily know what\Nthat true agenda is. And so people
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.33,0:10:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who grow up in this and see these\Ndocuments, they realise the agency
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.23,0:10:26.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they have. They understand it, they\Nsee that power, and they want to do
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.18,0:10:31.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something about it, in some cases. Some\Npeople do it in small starts and fits.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.57,0:10:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there are lots of sources for lots\Nof newspapers that are inside of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.59,0:10:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,defense organizations or really, really\Nlarge companies, and they share
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.48,0:10:43.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this information. But in the case of\NChelsea Manning, in the case of Snowden
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.97,0:10:49.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they went big. And I presume that this is\Nbecause of the scale of the wrongdoing
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.06,0:10:52.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they saw, in addition to the\Namount of agency that was provided
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.75,0:10:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by their access and by their\Nunderstanding of the actual information
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.35,0:11:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were able to have\Nin their possession.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.48,0:11:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: And do you think that it has\Nsomething to do with being technical
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.93,0:11:08.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have a potential\Nability to find a way to do this
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.35,0:11:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,safer than other people, perhaps? Or…
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.73,0:11:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: I mean, it’s clearly the case that\Nthis helps. There’s no question that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.45,0:11:21.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understanding how to use those computer\Nsystems and being able to navigate them,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.49,0:11:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that is going to be a helpful skill.\NBut I think what it really is is that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.50,0:11:28.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these are people who grew up in an era,\Nand I myself am one of these people,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.67,0:11:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we grew up in an era where we’re\Noverloaded by information but we still
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.26,0:11:36.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are able to absorb a great deal of it.\NAnd we really are constantly going
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.33,0:11:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through this. And if we look to the past,\Nwe see that it’s not just technical people,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.38,0:11:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s actually people who have an\Nanalytical mind. So e.g. Daniel Ellsberg,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.06,0:11:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is famous for the ‘Ellsberg Paradox’.\NHe was of course a very seriously
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.50,0:11:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,embedded person in the U.S. military.\NHe was in the RAND corporation,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.36,0:11:55.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he worked with McNamara.\NAnd during the Vietnam War
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.43,0:11:59.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he had access to huge amounts of\Ninformation. And it was the ability
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.98,0:12:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to analyze this information\Nand to understand, in this case
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.12,0:12:08.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how the U.S. Government during the\NVietnam War was lying to the entire world.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.23,0:12:12.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was the magnitude of those lies\Ncombined with the ability to prove that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.45,0:12:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were lies that, I believe, combined\Nwith his analytical skill it was clear
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.04,0:12:22.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the action might be. But it wasn’t\Nclear what the outcome would be.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.37,0:12:25.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with Ellsberg, the outcome was\Na very positive one. In fact it’s
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.98,0:12:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the most positive outcome for any\Nwhistleblower so far that I know of
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.82,0:12:32.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the history of the United States\Nand maybe even in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.10,0:12:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we see right now with Snowden and\Nwhat we’ve now seen with Chelsea Manning
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.07,0:12:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is unfortunately a very different\Noutcome, at least for Manning.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.49,0:12:45.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is also a hugely important\Npoint which is that Ellsberg did this
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.19,0:12:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the context of resistance against the\NVietnam War. And when Ellsberg did this,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.04,0:12:54.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were huge support networks, there\Nwere gigantic things that split across
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.05,0:12:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all political spectrums of society.\NAnd so it is the analytical framework
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.84,0:13:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we find ourselves with, still;\Nbut additionally with the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.38,0:13:06.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so every single person here\Nthat works as a sysadmin, could you
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.93,0:13:14.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,raise your hand? Right. You represent\N– and I’m sorry to steal Julian’s thunder,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.26,0:13:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he was using Skype, and… well…\N{\i1}laughter and applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.52,0:13:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we all know Skype has interception\Nand man-in-the-middle problems, so…
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.74,0:13:33.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m gonna take advantage of that fact. You\Nsee, it’s not just the NSA. Everyone that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.06,0:13:38.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,raised their hand, you should raise your\Nhand again! If you work at a company
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.87,0:13:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you think that they might be\Ninvolved in something that is
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.48,0:13:47.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit scary, keep your hand up!\N{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.02,0:13:52.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right. So here’s the deal: everybody else\Nin the room lacks the information that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.95,0:13:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you probably have access to. And if you\Nwere to make a moral judgment, if you
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.38,0:14:01.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were to make an ethical consideration\Nabout these things, it would be the case
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.09,0:14:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that as a political class you would\Nbe able to inform all of the other
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.42,0:14:08.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political classes in this room, all of the\Nother people in this room, in a way that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.91,0:14:13.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only you have the agency to do. And those\Nwho benefit from you never doing that,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.97,0:14:18.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the other people that have that. Those\Npeople also are members of other classes
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.19,0:14:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well. And so the question is: If you\Nwere to unite as a political class,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.06,0:14:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are to unite with you in that\Npolitical class, we can see that there’s
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.32,0:14:30.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a contextual way to view this through\Na historical lens, essentially.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.97,0:14:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is to say that when the\Nindustrialized workers of the world
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.82,0:14:38.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decided that race and gender were not\Nlines that we should split on, but instead
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.68,0:14:43.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should look at workers and owners, then\Nwe started to see real change in the way
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.73,0:14:47.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that workers were treated and in the way\Nthat the world itself was organizing labor.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.97,0:14:51.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this was a hugely important change\Nduring the Industrial Revolution.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.78,0:14:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we are going through a very similar\Ntime now with regard to information
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.47,0:15:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politics and with regard to the value\Nof information in our information age.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.28,0:15:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Skype connection being re-established{\i0}\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.49,0:15:15.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Skype connection just terminates again{\i0}\N{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.27,0:15:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: Fantastic, Bruce Willis!
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.88,0:15:23.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.95,0:15:28.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hahahaha! Jesus Christ,\NJulian, use Jitsy already!
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.49,0:15:36.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter, applause and cheers{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.25,0:15:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: And so, we’ve identified the\Npotential of the people that you were
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.66,0:15:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about. So you’ve spoken about\Nhow it’s good for them to unite.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.50,0:15:47.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are the next steps? How do they come\Nforth? How do they share this information?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.02,0:15:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: Well, let’s consider a couple of\Nthings. First is that Bradley Manning
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.18,0:15:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,– now Chelsea Manning, Daniel Ellsberg\N– still Daniel Ellsberg, Edward Snowden
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.72,0:16:01.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,– living in exile in Russia, unfortunately…
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.69,0:16:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: …still Edward Snowden!\NJacob: Still Edward Snowden! Hopefully.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.52,0:16:07.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Sarah laughs{\i0}\NThese are people who have taken
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.94,0:16:13.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,great actions where they did not even set\Nout to sacrifice themselves. But once
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.47,0:16:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I met Daniel Ellsberg he said:\N“Wouldn’t you go to prison for the rest
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.93,0:16:20.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of your life to end this war?” This is\Nsomething he asked me, and he asked it
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.61,0:16:24.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to me quite seriously. And it’s very\Nincredible to be able to ask
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.05,0:16:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a hypothetical question…\N{\i1}Skype ringing out{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.04,0:16:31.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,…of someone. That wasn’t a hypothetical\Nquestion! What he was trying to say is
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.88,0:16:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that right now you can make a choice in\Nwhich you can actually have a huge impact,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.64,0:16:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should you chose to take on that risk.\NBut the point is not to set out
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.78,0:16:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to martyr yourself.\NThe point is to set out…
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.53,0:16:43.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you gonna stick\Naround this time, Julian?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.91,0:16:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian: {\i1}via Skype{\i0} I don’t know, I’m\Nwaiting for the quantum hand, Jake.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.02,0:16:50.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: The quantum hand\Nthat wants to strangle you?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.46,0:16:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian: Yeah! I have protection!\NJacob: We were just discussing right now
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.77,0:17:00.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the previous context, that is Daniel\NEllsberg, the Edward Snowdens,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.72,0:17:04.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Chelsea Mannings, how they have done\Nan honorable, or good thing where they’ve
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.90,0:17:08.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shown a duty to a greater humanity.\NI think that is more important than
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.54,0:17:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,loyalty, e.g. to a bureaucratic oath, but\Nrather loyalty to universal principles.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.50,0:17:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the next question is: how does that\Nrelate to the people that are here
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.06,0:17:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the audience? How is it the case that\Npeople who have access to systems
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.97,0:17:23.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they have said themselves they\Nthink the companies they work for are
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.66,0:17:26.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of questionable, or doing\Ndangerous things in the world?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.78,0:17:29.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where do we go from people who\Nhave done these things previously
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.51,0:17:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to these people in the audience?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.46,0:17:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian: Well, I don’t know how much ground\Nyou covered, but I think it’s important
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.86,0:17:47.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we recognize what we are, and what we\Nhave become. And that high tech workers are
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.61,0:17:51.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a particular class. In fact, very\Noften it’s ‘class hacking’…(?).
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.84,0:17:58.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,…class … a position to in fact\Nprompt the leaders of society…
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.47,0:18:02.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[audio crippled, incomprehensible]
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.96,0:18:07.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[audio crippled, incomprehensible]\N{\i1}mumble in the audience{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.51,0:18:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.88,0:18:14.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: Should we just leave\Nhim like that and continue?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.29,0:18:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.60,0:18:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter and applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.56,0:18:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian: Am I back?\NAudience and speakers: Yeah!!
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.50,0:18:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: You’ve got three minutes!\NTo say something!
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.10,0:18:38.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian: Alright!\NSarah: Make it good!
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.99,0:18:43.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian: Those high tech workers – we are\Na particular class and it’s time that
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.17,0:18:47.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we recognized that we are a class. And\Nlooked back in history and understood
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.49,0:18:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the great gains in human rights and\Neducation etc. that were gained through
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.23,0:18:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,powerful industrial workers which\Nformed the backbone of the economy
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.28,0:19:01.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the 20th century, and that we have\Nthat same ability but even more so
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.25,0:19:06.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the greater interconnection\Nthat exists now economically and
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.63,0:19:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politically. Which is all underpinned by\Nsystem administrators. And we should
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.31,0:19:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understand that system administrators are\Nnot just those people who administer
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.98,0:19:21.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one UNIX system or another. They are\Nthe people who administer systems. And
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.95,0:19:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the system that exists globally now is\Ncreated by the interconnection of many
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.92,0:19:36.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,individual systems. And we are all… or\Nmany of us are part of administering
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.05,0:19:42.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that system and have extraordinary\Npower in a way that is really
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.66,0:19:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an order of magnitude different to\Nthe power industrial workers had
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.95,0:19:52.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back in the 20th century. And we can\Nsee that in the cases of the famous leaks
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.47,0:19:56.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Wikileaks has done or the\Nrecent Edward Snowden revelations,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.49,0:20:01.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is possible now for even a single system\Nadministrator to have a very significant
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.32,0:20:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change to the… or rather apply a very\Nsignificant constructive constraint
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.28,0:20:12.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the behavior of these organizations.\NNot merely wrecking or disabling them,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.75,0:20:19.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not merely going out on strikes to\Nchange a policy, but rather shifting
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.15,0:20:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an information apartheid system\Nwhich we’re developing
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.42,0:20:27.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from those with extraordinary power\Nand extraordinary information
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.34,0:20:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the knowledge commons, where it can\Nbe used not only as a disciplining force,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.52,0:20:37.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it can be used to construct\Nand understand the new world
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.34,0:20:42.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we’re entering into. Now, Hayden,\Nthe former Director of the CIA and NSA,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.62,0:20:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is terrified of this. In "Cypherpunks:\N[Freedom and the Future of the Internet]"
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.12,0:20:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we called for this directly last year.\NBut to give you an interesting quote
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.18,0:21:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Hayden, possibly following up\Non those words of mine and others:
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.78,0:21:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“We need to recruit from Snowden’s\Ngeneration” says Hayden, “we need
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.56,0:21:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to recruit from this group because\Nthey have the skills that we require.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.48,0:21:15.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the challenge is how to recruit this\Ntalent while also protecting ourselves
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.27,0:21:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the small fraction of the population\Nthat has this romantic attachment
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.18,0:21:25.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to absolute transparency at\Nall costs.” And that’s us, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.85,0:21:30.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what we need to do is\Nspread that message and
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.79,0:21:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go into all those organizations.\NIn fact, deal with them. I’m not saying
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.50,0:21:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Don’t join the CIA”. No, go\Nand join the CIA! Go in there!
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.20,0:21:45.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go into the ballpark and get the ball\Nand bring it out, with the understanding,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.53,0:21:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the paranoia, that all those\Norganizations will be infiltrated
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.34,0:21:54.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by this generation, by an ideology\Nthat is spread across the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.77,0:21:58.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And every young person is educated\Non the internet. There will be no person
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.85,0:22:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has not been exposed\Nto this ideology of transparency
Dialogue: 0,0:22:04.50,0:22:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and understanding and wanting to keep\Nthe internet which we were born into free.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.02,0:22:14.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the last free generation.\NThe coming together of these
Dialogue: 0,0:22:14.83,0:22:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,systems of governments, the new\Ninformation apartheid across the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.29,0:22:25.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and linking it together such that\Nnone of us will be able to escape it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.79,0:22:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In just a decade. Our identities will be\Ncoupled to it, the information sharing
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.72,0:22:35.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in such that none of us will be able\Nto escape it. We are all becoming
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.41,0:22:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of the state, whether we like it or\Nnot. So our only hope is to determine
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.92,0:22:45.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what sort of state it is that we are going\Nto become part of. And we can do that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.13,0:22:51.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by looking and being inspired by some of\Nthe actions that produced human rights
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.42,0:22:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and free education etc. by people\Nrecognizing that they were
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.19,0:23:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of the state, recognizing their own\Npower and taking concrete and robust
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.32,0:23:05.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,action to make sure they lived in\Nthe sort of society that they wanted to
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.07,0:23:09.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not in a hell-hole dystopia.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:09.05,0:23:10.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: Thank you!
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.41,0:23:22.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.30,0:23:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So basically all those poor people Jake\Njust made identify themselves, you have
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.74,0:23:31.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the power to change more systems than\Nthe one you’re working on right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.55,0:23:34.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think it’s time to take some\Nquestions because we don’t have long left.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.81,0:23:39.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there are any… I did… what’s the…
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.97,0:23:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: If you do have questions please\Nline up in the middle of the room.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.04,0:23:46.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have microphones there.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.31,0:23:51.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you cannot reach one, please put your\Nhand up and we’ll try to get one to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.24,0:23:54.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian: While we wait for the first\Nquestion I’d just like to say I’m not sure
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.80,0:23:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how many people are in there.\NIt looks like that it’s quite a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.38,0:23:59.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: Start going to the mike, even while\Nhe’s talking, if you do have a question.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:59.23,0:24:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cause otherwise we won’t know that you\Nhave one, and we’ll just keep on going!
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.96,0:24:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian: It looks like there’s\Nquite a … apologize …
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.50,0:24:07.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Alternatively just raise your\Nhand, and we’ll try to go to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.17,0:24:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian: It looks like there’s\Nquite a lot of people there,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.93,0:24:13.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you should all know that\Ndue to the various sorts of proximity
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.10,0:24:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,measures that are now employed by\NNSA, GCHQ and Five Eyes Alliance,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.40,0:24:23.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you’ve come there with a telephone, or\Nif you have been even in Hamburg
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.07,0:24:28.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a telephone, you are all now coupled\Nto us. You are coupled to this event.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:28.38,0:24:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are coupled to this speech in an\Nirrevocable way. And that is now true
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.82,0:24:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for many people. So either\Nwe have to take command
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.24,0:24:42.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the position that we have, understand\Nthe position we have, understand
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.02,0:24:47.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we are the last free people, and the\Nlast people essentially with an ability
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.46,0:24:51.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to act in this situation.\NOr we are the group
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.78,0:24:57.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will be crushed\Nbecause of this association.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.55,0:25:03.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.58,0:25:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: I’d say I think we\Nhave a question at the mike 4.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.24,0:25:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: So you were talking about the\Nsysadmins here. What about those people
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.71,0:25:17.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are not sysadmins? Not only\Njoining CIA and those companies,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.96,0:25:20.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what else can we do?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.37,0:25:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: Jake, do you want\Nto have a go at that one?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.24,0:25:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: Sure.\N{\i1}Skype end-connection sound{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.04,0:25:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is a question of agency, right?\NSarah: Good timing!
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.04,0:25:30.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s a question in which one has to ask\Nvery simply, what is it that you feel like
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.71,0:25:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you CAN do? And many people that are\Nin this audience I’ve had this discussion
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.44,0:25:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with them. E.g. Edward Snowden did\Nnot save himself. I mean he obviously
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.56,0:25:44.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had some ideas, but Sarah e.g., not as a\Nsystem administrator, but as someone
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.09,0:25:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is willing to risk her person.\NShe helped specifically
Dialogue: 0,0:25:48.61,0:25:52.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for source protection, she took actions\Nto protect him. So there are plenty
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.21,0:25:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of things that can be done. To give you\Nsome idea, as Edward Snowden’s
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.31,0:25:59.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still sitting in Russia now, there are\Nthings that can be done to help him
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.85,0:26:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even now. And there are things to show\Nthat, if we can succeed in saving Edward
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.80,0:26:08.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Snowden’s life and to keep him free, that\Nthe next Edward Snowden will have that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.43,0:26:12.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to look forward to. And if we look also\Nto what has happened to Chelsea Manning,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.83,0:26:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we see additionally that Snowden has\Nclearly learned. Just as Thomas Drake
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.44,0:26:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Bill Binney set an example for every\Nsingle person about what to do or
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.44,0:26:27.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what not to do. It’s not just about system\Nadministrators, it’s about all of us
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.01,0:26:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually recognizing that positive\Ncontribution that each of us can make.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.80,0:26:36.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Okay. Our next question\Nwill be microphone 2, please.
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Dialogue: 0,0:26:40.28,0:26:45.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: Hi Julian, I’m wondering, do you\Nbelieve that transparency alone is enough
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.34,0:26:53.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to inject some form of conscience\Ninto ‘evil’ organizations,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.49,0:26:56.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if not, what do you\Nbelieve the next step
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.55,0:26:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after transparency is?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.48,0:27:03.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian: It’s not about injecting\Nconscience. It’s about providing
Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.53,0:27:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two things: One, an effective deterrent\Nto particular forms of behavior
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.94,0:27:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and two, finding that information which\Nallows us to construct an order
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.76,0:27:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the world around us, to educate\Nourselves in how the world works
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.55,0:27:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore be able to manage\Nthe world that we are a part of.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.17,0:27:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The restriction of information, the\Nrestriction of those bits of information
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.20,0:27:36.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,colors it. It gives off an economic\Nsignal that that information is important
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.59,0:27:39.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it’s released. Because otherwise\Nwhy would you spend so much work
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.91,0:27:44.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in restricting it? So the people who\Nknow it best restrict it. We should take
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.73,0:27:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their measurement of that information\Nas a guide and use that to pull it out
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.32,0:27:54.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it can achieve some kind of\Nreform. That in itself is not enough.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.55,0:28:00.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It creates an intellectual commons\Nwhich is part of our mutual education.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.86,0:28:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we need to understand – say,\Nif we look at the Occupy event,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.94,0:28:13.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a very interesting political event – where\Nrevelations and perhaps destabilization
Dialogue: 0,0:28:13.29,0:28:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,led to a mass, a very large group\Nof people wanting to do something.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:18.21,0:28:22.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, there was no organizational\Nscaffold for these people
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.99,0:28:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to attach themselves to, no nucleus\Nfor these people to crystallize onto.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.44,0:28:37.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it is that problem, which is an endemic\Nproblem of the anarchist left, actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.05,0:28:43.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The CCC. Why are we having this right now?\NBecause the CCC is an organized structure.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.27,0:28:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s a structure which has been able\Nto grow, to accommodate the 30%
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.23,0:28:53.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of extra people that have occurred this\Nyear. To shift and change and act like
Dialogue: 0,0:28:53.29,0:28:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the better workers’\Nuniversities that are around.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.31,0:29:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have to form unions and networks
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.78,0:29:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and create programs and organizational\Nstructures. And those organizational
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.16,0:29:14.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,structures can also be written in code.\NBitcoin e.g. is an organizational structure
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.01,0:29:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that creates an intermediary between\Npeople and sets up rules between people.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.68,0:29:24.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It may end up as a quite totalitarian\Nsystem one day, who knows? But
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.97,0:29:30.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the moment it provides some kind of\Nbalancing. So code and human structures
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.21,0:29:34.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do things. Wikileaks was able to rescue\NEdward Snowden because we are
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.34,0:29:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an organized institution\Nwith collective experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.21,0:29:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: Okay, I think there’s\None question left for me
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.20,0:29:43.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that’s coming from the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.25,0:29:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Signal Angel: Yes, on IRC there was the\Nquestion: What was the most difficult
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.32,0:29:51.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part on getting Snowden out of the U.S.?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.01,0:29:53.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: Hah!\N{\i1} Julian laughs{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.89,0:29:55.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: That’s quite a loaded question!
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.66,0:29:59.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian: Yeah, that’s interesting to think\Nwhether we can actually answer
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.82,0:30:05.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that question at all. I’ll give a variant of the\Nanswer because of the legal situation
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.58,0:30:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is a little bit difficult. As some of\Nyou may know the U.K. Government has
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.29,0:30:18.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,admitted to spending £6 million a year\Napproximately surveilling this embassy,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.51,0:30:25.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the police forces alone. So you can\Nimagine the difficulty in communicating
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.78,0:30:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with various people in different countries\Nin relation to his diplomatic asylum and
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.91,0:30:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into logistics in Hong Kong in a situation\Nlike that. And the only reason we were
Dialogue: 0,0:30:39.06,0:30:44.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,able to succeed is because\Nof extremely dilligent u…
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Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.87,0:30:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: Perfectly timed!\NSarah: And we didn’t use Skype!
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Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.56,0:30:55.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: Do we have time\Nfor one more question?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.60,0:30:58.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: I think we ran out\Nof our time, I’m very sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.95,0:31:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jacob: That was such a fantastic, perfect\Nway to make sure that you didn’t learn
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.61,0:31:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the answer to that question!\NSarah: Hehe, yeah!
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.55,0:31:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
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Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.91,0:31:15.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Unfortunately that is all\Nthe time we have for this talk…
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Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.98,0:31:17.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From audience: …he wants to say goodbye!
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.91,0:31:24.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: …but I want you all, to still (?)\Nthank you: Jake Appelbaum! Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.90,0:31:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}\NI’m very sorry…
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