1 00:00:01,617 --> 00:00:03,582 So when I was eight years old, 2 00:00:03,582 --> 00:00:05,740 a new girl came to join the class, 3 00:00:05,740 --> 00:00:08,773 and she was so impressive, 4 00:00:08,773 --> 00:00:11,055 as the new girl always seems to be. 5 00:00:11,055 --> 00:00:13,733 She had vast quantities of very shiny hair 6 00:00:13,733 --> 00:00:16,773 and a cute little pencil case, 7 00:00:16,773 --> 00:00:20,361 super strong on state capitals, 8 00:00:20,361 --> 00:00:22,853 just a great speller. 9 00:00:22,853 --> 00:00:27,803 And I just curdled with jealousy that year, 10 00:00:27,803 --> 00:00:31,346 until I hatched my devious plan. 11 00:00:31,346 --> 00:00:35,579 So one day I stayed a little late after school, 12 00:00:35,579 --> 00:00:39,659 a little too late, and I lurked in the girls' bathroom. 13 00:00:39,659 --> 00:00:41,994 When the coast was clear, I emerged, 14 00:00:41,994 --> 00:00:43,733 crept into the classroom, 15 00:00:43,733 --> 00:00:47,590 and took from my teacher's desk the grade book. 16 00:00:47,590 --> 00:00:49,926 And then I did it. 17 00:00:49,926 --> 00:00:52,293 I fiddled with my rival's grades, 18 00:00:52,293 --> 00:00:55,123 just a little, just demoted some of those A's. 19 00:00:55,123 --> 00:00:58,222 All of those A's. (Laughter) 20 00:00:58,222 --> 00:01:01,965 And I got ready to return the book to the drawer, 21 00:01:01,965 --> 00:01:04,999 when hang on, some of my other classmates 22 00:01:04,999 --> 00:01:08,492 had appallingly good grades too. 23 00:01:08,492 --> 00:01:10,540 So, in a frenzy, 24 00:01:10,540 --> 00:01:12,528 I corrected everybody's marks, 25 00:01:12,528 --> 00:01:14,437 not imaginatively. 26 00:01:14,437 --> 00:01:16,951 I gave everybody a row of D's 27 00:01:16,951 --> 00:01:19,752 and I gave myself a row of A's, 28 00:01:19,752 --> 00:01:22,552 just because I was there, you know, might as well. 29 00:01:22,552 --> 00:01:28,162 And I am still baffled by my behavior. 30 00:01:28,162 --> 00:01:30,574 I don't understand where the idea came from. 31 00:01:30,574 --> 00:01:33,903 I don't understand why I felt so great doing it. 32 00:01:33,903 --> 00:01:35,426 I felt great. 33 00:01:35,426 --> 00:01:38,005 I don't understand why I was never caught. 34 00:01:38,005 --> 00:01:39,601 I mean, it should have been so blatantly obvious. 35 00:01:39,601 --> 00:01:40,914 I was never caught. 36 00:01:40,914 --> 00:01:43,435 But most of all, I am baffled by, 37 00:01:43,435 --> 00:01:44,942 why did it bother me so much 38 00:01:44,942 --> 00:01:46,886 that this little girl, this tiny little girl, 39 00:01:46,886 --> 00:01:48,600 was so good at spelling? 40 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,710 Jealousy baffles me. 41 00:01:50,710 --> 00:01:53,634 It's so mysterious, and it's so pervasive. 42 00:01:53,634 --> 00:01:56,100 We know babies suffer from jealousy. 43 00:01:56,100 --> 00:01:59,750 We know primates do. Bluebirds are actually very prone. 44 00:01:59,750 --> 00:02:03,270 We know that jealousy is the number one cause 45 00:02:03,270 --> 00:02:06,186 of spousal murder in the United States. 46 00:02:06,186 --> 00:02:09,290 And yet, I have never read a study 47 00:02:09,290 --> 00:02:12,205 that can parse to me its loneliness 48 00:02:12,205 --> 00:02:17,059 or its longevity or its grim thrill. 49 00:02:17,059 --> 00:02:19,906 For that, we have to go to fiction, 50 00:02:19,906 --> 00:02:22,246 because the novel is the lab 51 00:02:22,246 --> 00:02:23,820 that has studied jealousy 52 00:02:23,820 --> 00:02:25,894 in every possible configuration. 53 00:02:25,894 --> 00:02:29,218 In fact, I don't know if it's an exaggeration to say 54 00:02:29,218 --> 00:02:31,250 that if we didn't have jealousy, 55 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:33,800 would we even have literature? 56 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,390 Well no faithless Helen, no "Odyssey." 57 00:02:37,390 --> 00:02:40,228 No jealous king, no "Arabian Nights." 58 00:02:40,228 --> 00:02:43,365 No Shakespeare. 59 00:02:43,365 --> 00:02:45,555 There goes high school reading lists, 60 00:02:45,555 --> 00:02:47,367 because we're losing "Sound and the Fury," 61 00:02:47,367 --> 00:02:49,616 we're losing "Gatsby," "Sun Also Rises," 62 00:02:49,616 --> 00:02:53,743 we're losing "Madame Bovary," "Anna K." 63 00:02:53,743 --> 00:02:56,150 No jealousy, no Proust. And now, I mean, 64 00:02:56,150 --> 00:02:57,911 I know it's fashionable to say that Proust 65 00:02:57,911 --> 00:02:59,518 has the answers to everything, 66 00:02:59,518 --> 00:03:02,224 but in the case of jealousy, 67 00:03:02,224 --> 00:03:04,965 he kind of does. 68 00:03:04,965 --> 00:03:08,951 This year is the centennial of his masterpiece, "In Search of Lost Time," 69 00:03:08,951 --> 00:03:12,952 and it's the most exhaustive study of sexual jealousy 70 00:03:12,952 --> 00:03:15,104 and just regular competitiveness, my brand, 71 00:03:15,104 --> 00:03:17,689 that we can hope to have. (Laughter) 72 00:03:17,689 --> 00:03:20,116 And we think about Proust, we think 73 00:03:20,116 --> 00:03:21,610 about the sentimental bits, right? 74 00:03:21,610 --> 00:03:23,565 We think about a little boy trying to get to sleep. 75 00:03:23,565 --> 00:03:27,746 We think about a madeleine moistened in lavender tea. 76 00:03:27,746 --> 00:03:29,772 We forget how harsh his vision was. 77 00:03:29,772 --> 00:03:31,612 We forget how pitiless he is. 78 00:03:31,612 --> 00:03:33,933 I mean, these are books that Virginia Woolf said 79 00:03:33,933 --> 00:03:36,269 were tough as cat gut. 80 00:03:36,269 --> 00:03:38,317 I don't know what cat gut is, 81 00:03:38,317 --> 00:03:41,218 but let's assume it's formidable. 82 00:03:41,218 --> 00:03:44,436 Let's look at why they go so well together, 83 00:03:44,436 --> 00:03:48,114 the novel and jealousy, jealousy and Proust. 84 00:03:48,114 --> 00:03:51,345 Is it something as obvious as that jealousy, 85 00:03:51,345 --> 00:03:54,728 which boils down into person, desire, impediment, 86 00:03:54,728 --> 00:03:59,396 is such a solid narrative foundation? 87 00:03:59,396 --> 00:04:02,071 I don't know. I think it cuts very close to the bone, 88 00:04:02,071 --> 00:04:04,120 because let's think about what happens 89 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,898 when we feel jealous. 90 00:04:05,898 --> 00:04:09,850 When we feel jealous, we tell ourselves a story. 91 00:04:09,850 --> 00:04:14,133 We tell ourselves a story about other people's lives, 92 00:04:14,133 --> 00:04:16,807 and these stories make us feel terrible 93 00:04:16,807 --> 00:04:19,030 because they're designed to make us feel terrible. 94 00:04:19,030 --> 00:04:21,564 As the teller of the tale and the audience, 95 00:04:21,564 --> 00:04:23,538 we know just what details to include, 96 00:04:23,538 --> 00:04:27,107 to dig that knife in. Right? 97 00:04:27,107 --> 00:04:30,462 Jealousy makes us all amateur novelists, 98 00:04:30,462 --> 00:04:32,478 and this is something Proust understood. 99 00:04:32,478 --> 00:04:35,651 In the first volume, Swann's Way, 100 00:04:35,651 --> 00:04:37,475 the series of books, 101 00:04:37,475 --> 00:04:39,181 Swann, one of the main characters, 102 00:04:39,181 --> 00:04:42,409 is thinking very fondly of his mistress 103 00:04:42,409 --> 00:04:44,101 and how great she is in bed, 104 00:04:44,101 --> 00:04:47,143 and suddenly, in the course of a few sentences, 105 00:04:47,143 --> 00:04:49,184 and these are Proustian sentences, 106 00:04:49,184 --> 00:04:50,696 so they're long as rivers, 107 00:04:50,696 --> 00:04:52,959 but in the course of a few sentences, 108 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:55,366 he suddenly recoils and he realizes, 109 00:04:55,366 --> 00:04:58,649 "Hang on, everything I love about this woman, 110 00:04:58,649 --> 00:05:02,420 somebody else would love about this woman. 111 00:05:02,420 --> 00:05:05,511 Everything that she does that gives me pleasure 112 00:05:05,511 --> 00:05:07,220 could be giving somebody else pleasure, 113 00:05:07,220 --> 00:05:09,498 maybe right about now." 114 00:05:09,498 --> 00:05:12,282 And this is the story he starts to tell himself, 115 00:05:12,282 --> 00:05:14,145 and from then on, Proust writes that 116 00:05:14,145 --> 00:05:17,192 every fresh charm Swann detects in his mistress, 117 00:05:17,192 --> 00:05:19,856 he adds to his "collection of instruments 118 00:05:19,856 --> 00:05:23,478 in his private torture chamber." 119 00:05:23,478 --> 00:05:25,753 Now Swann and Proust, we have to admit, 120 00:05:25,753 --> 00:05:27,429 were notoriously jealous. 121 00:05:27,429 --> 00:05:29,133 You know, Proust's boyfriends would have to leave 122 00:05:29,133 --> 00:05:31,737 the country if they wanted to break up with him. 123 00:05:31,737 --> 00:05:34,640 But you don't have to be that jealous 124 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,551 to concede that it's hard work. Right? 125 00:05:37,551 --> 00:05:39,160 Jealousy is exhausting. 126 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,807 It's a hungry emotion. It must be fed. 127 00:05:42,807 --> 00:05:44,896 And what does jealousy like? 128 00:05:44,896 --> 00:05:47,986 Jealousy likes information. 129 00:05:47,986 --> 00:05:50,375 Jealousy likes details. 130 00:05:50,375 --> 00:05:53,198 Jealousy likes the vast quantities of shiny hair, 131 00:05:53,198 --> 00:05:55,664 the cute little pencil case. 132 00:05:55,664 --> 00:05:57,206 Jealousy likes photos. 133 00:05:57,206 --> 00:06:00,936 That's why Instagram is such a hit. (Laughter) 134 00:06:00,936 --> 00:06:04,897 Proust actually links the language of scholarship and jealousy. 135 00:06:04,897 --> 00:06:07,339 When Swann is in his jealous throes, 136 00:06:07,339 --> 00:06:09,510 and suddenly he's listening at doorways 137 00:06:09,510 --> 00:06:11,533 and bribing his mistress' servants, 138 00:06:11,533 --> 00:06:12,985 he defends these behaviors. 139 00:06:12,985 --> 00:06:15,402 He says, "You know, look, I know you think this is repugnant, 140 00:06:15,402 --> 00:06:17,208 but it is no different 141 00:06:17,208 --> 00:06:19,558 from interpreting an ancient text 142 00:06:19,558 --> 00:06:21,225 or looking at a monument." 143 00:06:21,225 --> 00:06:23,822 He says, "They are scientific investigations 144 00:06:23,822 --> 00:06:26,825 with real intellectual value." 145 00:06:26,825 --> 00:06:28,937 Proust is trying to show us that jealousy 146 00:06:28,937 --> 00:06:31,828 feels intolerable and makes us look absurd, 147 00:06:31,828 --> 00:06:36,498 but it is, at its crux, a quest for knowledge, 148 00:06:36,498 --> 00:06:39,899 a quest for truth, painful truth, 149 00:06:39,899 --> 00:06:41,828 and actually, where Proust is concerned, 150 00:06:41,828 --> 00:06:44,620 the more painful the truth, the better. 151 00:06:44,620 --> 00:06:49,357 Grief, humiliation, loss: 152 00:06:49,357 --> 00:06:52,313 These were the avenues to wisdom for Proust. 153 00:06:52,313 --> 00:06:56,215 He says, "A woman whom we need, 154 00:06:56,215 --> 00:06:59,001 who makes us suffer, elicits from us 155 00:06:59,001 --> 00:07:02,506 a gamut of feelings far more profound and vital 156 00:07:02,506 --> 00:07:06,945 than a man of genius who interests us." 157 00:07:06,945 --> 00:07:09,820 Is he telling us to just go and find cruel women? 158 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:12,117 No. I think he's trying to say 159 00:07:12,117 --> 00:07:15,286 that jealousy reveals us to ourselves. 160 00:07:15,286 --> 00:07:18,182 And does any other emotion crack us open 161 00:07:18,182 --> 00:07:20,510 in this particular way? 162 00:07:20,510 --> 00:07:22,590 Does any other emotion reveal to us 163 00:07:22,590 --> 00:07:25,923 our aggression and our hideous ambition 164 00:07:25,923 --> 00:07:28,322 and our entitlement? 165 00:07:28,322 --> 00:07:30,972 Does any other emotion teach us to look 166 00:07:30,972 --> 00:07:34,164 with such peculiar intensity? 167 00:07:34,164 --> 00:07:36,316 Freud would write about this later. 168 00:07:36,316 --> 00:07:38,570 One day, Freud was visited 169 00:07:38,570 --> 00:07:40,892 by this very anxious young man who was consumed 170 00:07:40,892 --> 00:07:43,395 with the thought of his wife cheating on him. 171 00:07:43,395 --> 00:07:45,472 And Freud says, it's something strange about this guy, 172 00:07:45,472 --> 00:07:47,586 because he's not looking at what his wife is doing. 173 00:07:47,586 --> 00:07:49,557 Because she's blameless; everybody knows it. 174 00:07:49,557 --> 00:07:50,887 The poor creature is just 175 00:07:50,887 --> 00:07:52,885 under suspicion for no cause. 176 00:07:52,885 --> 00:07:55,694 But he's looking for things that his wife is doing 177 00:07:55,694 --> 00:07:58,194 without noticing, unintentional behaviors. 178 00:07:58,194 --> 00:08:00,511 Is she smiling too brightly here, 179 00:08:00,511 --> 00:08:03,851 or did she accidentally brush up against a man there? 180 00:08:03,851 --> 00:08:06,527 [Freud] says that the man is becoming 181 00:08:06,527 --> 00:08:10,875 the custodian of his wife's unconscious. 182 00:08:10,875 --> 00:08:12,696 The novel is very good on this point. 183 00:08:12,696 --> 00:08:15,504 The novel is very good at describing how jealousy 184 00:08:15,504 --> 00:08:19,488 trains us to look with intensity but not accuracy. 185 00:08:19,488 --> 00:08:23,563 In fact, the more intensely jealous we are, 186 00:08:23,563 --> 00:08:26,082 the more we become residents of fantasy. 187 00:08:26,082 --> 00:08:29,002 And this is why, I think, jealousy doesn't 188 00:08:29,002 --> 00:08:31,818 just provoke us to do violent things 189 00:08:31,818 --> 00:08:33,818 or illegal things. 190 00:08:33,818 --> 00:08:36,100 Jealousy prompts us to behave in ways 191 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:38,458 that are wildly inventive. 192 00:08:38,458 --> 00:08:40,901 Now I'm thinking of myself at eight, I concede, 193 00:08:40,901 --> 00:08:44,920 but I'm also thinking of this story I heard on the news. 194 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,828 A 52-year-old Michigan woman was caught 195 00:08:48,828 --> 00:08:51,697 creating a fake Facebook account 196 00:08:51,697 --> 00:08:55,420 from which she sent vile, hideous messages 197 00:08:55,420 --> 00:08:59,645 to herself for a year. 198 00:08:59,645 --> 00:09:01,770 For a year. A year. 199 00:09:01,770 --> 00:09:03,645 And she was trying to frame 200 00:09:03,645 --> 00:09:05,802 her ex-boyfriend's new girlfriend, 201 00:09:05,802 --> 00:09:09,443 and I have to confess when I heard this, 202 00:09:09,443 --> 00:09:11,355 I just reacted with admiration. 203 00:09:11,355 --> 00:09:12,932 (Laughter) 204 00:09:12,932 --> 00:09:15,347 Because, I mean, let's be real. 205 00:09:15,347 --> 00:09:19,664 What immense, if misplaced, creativity. Right? 206 00:09:19,664 --> 00:09:22,084 This is something from a novel. 207 00:09:22,084 --> 00:09:25,485 This is something from a Patricia Highsmith novel. 208 00:09:25,485 --> 00:09:27,655 Now Highsmith is a particular favorite of mine. 209 00:09:27,655 --> 00:09:31,707 She is the very brilliant and bizarre woman of American letters. 210 00:09:31,707 --> 00:09:33,900 She's the author of "Strangers on a Train" 211 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:35,948 and "The Talented Mr. Ripley," 212 00:09:35,948 --> 00:09:39,013 books that are all about how jealousy, 213 00:09:39,013 --> 00:09:40,888 it muddles our minds, 214 00:09:40,888 --> 00:09:43,882 and once we're in the sphere, in that realm of jealousy, 215 00:09:43,882 --> 00:09:49,145 the membrane between what is and what could be 216 00:09:49,145 --> 00:09:52,038 can be pierced in an instant. 217 00:09:52,038 --> 00:09:54,486 Take Tom Ripley, her most famous character. 218 00:09:54,486 --> 00:09:57,325 Now, Tom Ripley goes from wanting you 219 00:09:57,325 --> 00:09:59,501 or wanting what you have 220 00:09:59,501 --> 00:10:02,929 to being you and having what you once had, 221 00:10:02,929 --> 00:10:04,462 and you're under the floorboards, 222 00:10:04,462 --> 00:10:05,825 he's answering to your name, 223 00:10:05,825 --> 00:10:07,517 he's wearing your rings, 224 00:10:07,517 --> 00:10:09,518 emptying your bank account. 225 00:10:09,518 --> 00:10:11,493 That's one way to go. 226 00:10:11,493 --> 00:10:15,157 But what do we do? We can't go the Tom Ripley route. 227 00:10:15,157 --> 00:10:17,194 I can't give the world D's, 228 00:10:17,194 --> 00:10:20,041 as much as I would really like to, some days. 229 00:10:20,041 --> 00:10:23,539 And it's a pity, because we live in envious times. 230 00:10:23,539 --> 00:10:26,446 We live in jealous times. 231 00:10:26,446 --> 00:10:28,459 I mean, we're all good citizens of social media, 232 00:10:28,459 --> 00:10:31,843 aren't we, where the currency is envy? 233 00:10:31,843 --> 00:10:36,312 Does the novel show us a way out? I'm not sure. 234 00:10:36,312 --> 00:10:39,753 So let's do what characters always do when they're not sure, 235 00:10:39,753 --> 00:10:41,929 when they are in possession of a mystery. 236 00:10:41,929 --> 00:10:44,203 Let's go to 221B Baker Street 237 00:10:44,203 --> 00:10:46,221 and ask for Sherlock Holmes. 238 00:10:46,221 --> 00:10:48,690 When people think of Holmes, 239 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:51,799 they think of his nemesis being Professor Moriarty, 240 00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:54,006 right, this criminal mastermind. 241 00:10:54,006 --> 00:10:56,469 But I've always preferred [Inspector] Lestrade, 242 00:10:56,469 --> 00:10:59,374 who is the rat-faced head of Scotland Yard 243 00:10:59,374 --> 00:11:01,104 who needs Holmes desperately, 244 00:11:01,104 --> 00:11:03,408 needs Holmes' genius, but resents him. 245 00:11:03,408 --> 00:11:05,265 Oh, it's so familiar to me. 246 00:11:05,265 --> 00:11:09,282 So Lestrade needs his help, resents him, 247 00:11:09,282 --> 00:11:12,593 and sort of seethes with bitterness over the course of the mysteries. 248 00:11:12,593 --> 00:11:16,470 But as they work together, something starts to change, 249 00:11:16,470 --> 00:11:19,513 and finally in "The Adventure of the Six Napoleons," 250 00:11:19,513 --> 00:11:23,443 once Holmes comes in, dazzles everybody with his solution, 251 00:11:23,443 --> 00:11:26,884 Lestrade turns to Holmes and he says, 252 00:11:26,884 --> 00:11:31,165 "We're not jealous of you, Mr. Holmes. 253 00:11:31,165 --> 00:11:34,524 We're proud of you." 254 00:11:34,524 --> 00:11:36,853 And he says that there's not a man at Scotland Yard 255 00:11:36,853 --> 00:11:39,852 who wouldn't want to shake Sherlock Holmes' hand. 256 00:11:39,852 --> 00:11:42,237 It's one of the few times we see Holmes moved 257 00:11:42,237 --> 00:11:44,332 in the mysteries, and I find it very moving, 258 00:11:44,332 --> 00:11:47,396 this little scene, but it's also mysterious, right? 259 00:11:47,396 --> 00:11:49,309 It seems to treat jealousy 260 00:11:49,309 --> 00:11:52,047 as a problem of geometry, not emotion. 261 00:11:52,047 --> 00:11:54,913 You know, one minute Holmes is on the other side from Lestrade. 262 00:11:54,913 --> 00:11:56,836 The next minute they're on the same side. 263 00:11:56,836 --> 00:11:58,983 Suddenly, Lestrade is letting himself 264 00:11:58,983 --> 00:12:01,950 admire this mind that he's resented. 265 00:12:01,950 --> 00:12:03,879 Could it be so simple though? 266 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:06,310 What if jealousy really is a matter of geometry, 267 00:12:06,310 --> 00:12:10,020 just a matter of where we allow ourselves to stand 268 00:12:10,020 --> 00:12:12,350 in relation to another? 269 00:12:12,350 --> 00:12:14,221 Well, maybe then we wouldn't have to resent 270 00:12:14,221 --> 00:12:16,282 somebody's excellence. 271 00:12:16,282 --> 00:12:19,656 We could align ourselves with it. 272 00:12:19,656 --> 00:12:21,912 But I like contingency plans. 273 00:12:21,912 --> 00:12:24,248 So while we wait for that to happen, 274 00:12:24,248 --> 00:12:26,944 let us remember that we have fiction for consolation. 275 00:12:26,944 --> 00:12:29,395 Fiction alone demystifies jealousy. 276 00:12:29,395 --> 00:12:31,478 Fiction alone domesticates it, 277 00:12:31,478 --> 00:12:33,356 invites it to the table. 278 00:12:33,356 --> 00:12:35,229 And look who it gathers: 279 00:12:35,229 --> 00:12:39,065 sweet Lestrade, terrifying Tom Ripley, 280 00:12:39,065 --> 00:12:43,534 crazy Swann, Marcel Proust himself. 281 00:12:43,534 --> 00:12:45,948 We are in excellent company. 282 00:12:45,948 --> 00:12:47,368 Thank you. 283 00:12:47,368 --> 00:12:52,184 (Applause)