Is the past a foreign country? | Suzannah Lipscomb | TEDxSPS
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0:18 - 0:20Hello, my topic for you today is:
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0:20 - 0:22Is the past a foreign country?
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0:22 - 0:26That is of course the first line
of L.P. Hartley's book "The Go-Between": -
0:26 - 0:29"The past is a foreign country,
they do things differently there." -
0:29 - 0:33My question for you today is: "Is it?"
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0:33 - 0:36If it is, why does popular culture
always present the past -
0:36 - 0:40to something so cosy
and actually not alien at all? -
0:41 - 0:44If it is, finally, do can we go there?
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0:44 - 0:45Do we have a visa?
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0:45 - 0:48Do we have the passport that we need?
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0:48 - 0:51Historians might actually go further,
say that it's a foreign country, -
0:51 - 0:56that it's actually an imaginary country,
that is more Narnia than France, -
0:56 - 0:59because of course the extraordinary thing
about the past is, that it was, -
1:00 - 1:01and it is not.
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1:01 - 1:05History is the study
of something that doesn't exist, -
1:05 - 1:08and sometimes it feels like
the veil between us and the past -
1:08 - 1:10is therefore great.
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1:10 - 1:13Thankfully there are footprints
in the snow for us to follow, -
1:13 - 1:15should we choose to go.
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1:16 - 1:19History in the popular media
tends to be something -
1:19 - 1:22that stresses the similarities
between us and them, -
1:22 - 1:27so that they were people who ate,
people who slept, people who fell in love, -
1:27 - 1:32who, you know, needed to wash,
who hoped, believed, dreamed and died, -
1:32 - 1:34just as we would do.
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1:34 - 1:36In fact, G.M. Trevelyan said:
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1:36 - 1:39"The poetry of history
is the quasi-miraculous fact, -
1:40 - 1:44that once on this earth,
on this familiar spot of ground, -
1:44 - 1:46walked other people,
other men and women, -
1:46 - 1:49as actual as we are today,
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1:49 - 1:52thinking their own thoughts,
swayed by their own passions, -
1:52 - 1:54but now all gone,
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1:54 - 1:57one generation vanishing after another,
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1:57 - 2:00gone as utterly as we ourselves
are shortly be gone, -
2:00 - 2:02like ghost at cock-crow."
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2:03 - 2:06When you get to come across history
in the popular media, -
2:06 - 2:09you tend to come across stories
that tell you things that you know. -
2:09 - 2:13The great disaster of Titanic
is portrayed as a love story. -
2:13 - 2:18The Other Boleyn Girl which has Eric Bana,
Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, -
2:18 - 2:22re-immagines Tudor History
as chick-lit sibling rivalry. -
2:23 - 2:29Fahrd takes arguably a treasonous criminal
and makes him into a freedom fighter. -
2:29 - 2:33A film like The Duchess, which is
the story of an 18th century aristocrat, -
2:33 - 2:34had the strap line:
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2:34 - 2:36"There were three in their marriage."
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2:36 - 2:40It came out just a year
after the death of Princess Diana. -
2:40 - 2:44Often actually what we hear about
is a story of shared emotions -
2:44 - 2:45with the past.
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2:45 - 2:47I used to work at Hampton Court Palace,
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2:47 - 2:51as part of an exhibition there
on Katherine of Aragon, Henry the Eighth -
2:51 - 2:52and Cardinal Wolsey.
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2:52 - 2:53There is a doorway
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2:53 - 2:59which has inscriptions of all the children
who died soon after birth, -
2:59 - 3:04or were still births, or miscarriages
of Katherine of Aragon. -
3:04 - 3:07One academic we worked with
said he had always known that, -
3:07 - 3:09but it was only when he saw it
on this doorway, -
3:09 - 3:11which looks a little bit like a tomb,
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3:11 - 3:15that he really felt it,
he felt that connection to the past. -
3:15 - 3:19This is history as sympathy,
this is creating connections. -
3:20 - 3:21Perhaps we stress this,
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3:21 - 3:24because if we feel that we can
learn lessons from the past, -
3:24 - 3:28we have to assume that there is
something meaningful in those lessons. -
3:28 - 3:32There can only be something meaningful,
if we are essentially like them. -
3:32 - 3:37"History doesn't repeat itself,
but it rhymes," said Mark Twain. -
3:37 - 3:42Dan Snow came to talk to my students
at the New College of Humanities and said, -
3:42 - 3:46"The past doesn't repeat itself,
but its the best guide we've got." -
3:46 - 3:51Perhaps ask why we stress
the familiarity with the past. -
3:51 - 3:56Our interest in the past is because
we are really interested in ourselves. -
3:56 - 3:57I'm going to put it like this:
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3:57 - 4:00History ought never to be
confused with nostalgia. -
4:00 - 4:03It is written not to revere the dead,
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4:03 - 4:05but to inspire the living.
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4:05 - 4:08It's our cultural blood stream,
the secret of who we are. -
4:08 - 4:09Perhaps that's why
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4:09 - 4:12"Who do you think you are?"
is such a popular program. -
4:12 - 4:14This is all about our story.
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4:14 - 4:17If we do look
at the differences in the past, -
4:17 - 4:20the differences we tend to look at
are external, superficial ones. -
4:20 - 4:25So if you look at reality TV programs
you know, 1900's House, 1940's House, -
4:25 - 4:27they point to things
like they don't have electricity, -
4:27 - 4:29or they have different clothes,
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4:29 - 4:32or they wash with lye
rather than shower gel. -
4:32 - 4:34This is the past,
there's hardship and privation. -
4:35 - 4:38This is history, it's something
that's dirty and messy and painful. -
4:38 - 4:42They're people like us, but they
are just in harder circumstances. -
4:42 - 4:45Again the question comes to us:
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4:45 - 4:48"What would we do in such circumstances?"
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4:48 - 4:51This is history as progress,
this is a weakish version of history. -
4:51 - 4:55I think that explains partly
at least the fascination -
4:55 - 4:57that we have with horrible histories.
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4:57 - 5:02Terry Deary's Horrible Histories have
sold something like twenty million copies, -
5:02 - 5:07since they launched in 1993,
have been translated into 31 languages. -
5:07 - 5:10They market themselves
as "history with the nasty bits left in." -
5:10 - 5:14Of course we are slightly
perversely fascinated by gore. -
5:14 - 5:18But it's also about history
being to congratulate ourselves, -
5:18 - 5:21to suggest that we are very humane:
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5:21 - 5:25"How civilized we are,
we don't do these things to people." -
5:25 - 5:30What we look for in films,
and we call it authenticity, -
5:30 - 5:33that those external details
often is quite superficial. -
5:33 - 5:36It might, for example,
come down to making sure -
5:36 - 5:38they've got the right clothes on,
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5:38 - 5:40although quite often we change that
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5:40 - 5:43so it fits to present day
standards of attractiveness as well. -
5:43 - 5:46Tom Hanks was the producer
on Band of Brothers and he said, -
5:46 - 5:48"There are two types of authenticity,
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5:48 - 5:51the one that says that you got
all the buttons right, -
5:51 - 5:52that the ammunition is correct,
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5:52 - 5:55that the buildings look
as they looked in the photo." -
5:55 - 5:57That is relatively easy to achieve.
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5:57 - 6:00But then there's a thing
that is much harder. -
6:00 - 6:02There's literally the motivations,
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6:02 - 6:05and the nature of the interplay
between the characters, -
6:05 - 6:06because he says,
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6:06 - 6:09"If we can't be absolutely truthful
to what they said and did -
6:09 - 6:10at any given time,
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6:10 - 6:13we can at least be
as authentic as possible, -
6:13 - 6:18so that it still adheres to the framework
of the reality of being there and then." -
6:18 - 6:21I would suggest there's
a third type of authenticity, -
6:21 - 6:23the one that we don't go near.
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6:23 - 6:28This is the one that says the past
is so very different from our own, -
6:28 - 6:34that we fail to understand it,
because we only understand our own time. -
6:34 - 6:35That is because
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6:35 - 6:40people in the past had different
mental and imaginative worlds to us. -
6:40 - 6:43The annals historians
have called this mentalité, -
6:44 - 6:46the mentalities of these people.
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6:46 - 6:50Perhaps this is the difference between
popular history and academic history. -
6:50 - 6:53Is popular history
more interested in the similarities, -
6:53 - 6:55rather than the differences?
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6:55 - 7:00You can particularly notice, when you look
at attitudes towards sex and religion. -
7:00 - 7:03If you read a historical novel,
or you see a film, -
7:03 - 7:05for example, Phillipa Gregory's books,
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7:05 - 7:09wonderful historical novels,
that transport you back to the past. -
7:09 - 7:13But quite often the women in them
tend to be essentially proto-feminists -
7:13 - 7:16and their attitudes
towards sex tend to be: -
7:16 - 7:18'It's quite a good thing,
lets get on with it,' -
7:18 - 7:20which before the age of the Pill,
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7:20 - 7:22before there was any reliable conception,
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7:22 - 7:25isn't congruent with the age of the past.
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7:25 - 7:26How about religion?
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7:27 - 7:30Rochefoucauld in the 17th century said,
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7:30 - 7:33"There's always something ridiculous
about the emotions of people -
7:33 - 7:35that one has ceased to love".
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7:35 - 7:40If in modern Britain many people
have fallen out of love with God, -
7:40 - 7:41we shouldn't underestimate
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7:41 - 7:45quite how intoxicating a power
he had in centuries past. -
7:45 - 7:50Make sure the things you read have
that sense of reality about world views. -
7:50 - 7:55This is perhaps why Hillary Mantel's books
have been so popular and so prize-winning. -
7:55 - 7:58Because although she creates characters,
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7:58 - 8:00historical characters
like Chromewell, for example, -
8:00 - 8:04from her own imagination,
as is the novelist's prerogative, -
8:04 - 8:08she does actually immerse herself
into the world of the past. -
8:08 - 8:10I remember being delighted,
when I read "Wolf Hall", -
8:10 - 8:13realizing that she had identified
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8:13 - 8:18that to call something new
in the 16th century was not a compliment. -
8:19 - 8:22We have faint echoes of these ideas now.
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8:22 - 8:26The word novelty carries
something of the hostility and suspicion -
8:26 - 8:29that the new had in an age,
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8:29 - 8:35when the traditional and the ancient
were very powerful things, -
8:35 - 8:37and had a powerful hold on the Tudor mind.
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8:38 - 8:43It's only when we begin to grasp
how different the past was, -
8:43 - 8:45how differently people thought in the past
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8:45 - 8:47that we can begin to comprehend
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8:47 - 8:50some of the more bizarre behaviours
and beliefs of the past. -
8:50 - 8:54Let me give you a few examples
from the period I work on. -
8:54 - 8:57In the end of the 16th century,
the beginning of the 17th century, -
8:57 - 9:02across Europe 40,000 to 50,000
people, mostly old women, -
9:02 - 9:05where executed as witches.
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9:06 - 9:11In the 16th century in England,
beggars where whipped. -
9:12 - 9:16In 1547 it was ordered
that vagabonds, the homeless, -
9:16 - 9:20should be branded on the chest
with a V made with a hot iron. -
9:20 - 9:24In 1572 a new statute suggested
that they should be grievously whipped -
9:24 - 9:27and they should be branded
through the ear hole -
9:27 - 9:29with a hot iron, an inch in diameter.
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9:31 - 9:35In 17th century Vienna, a common practice,
when a criminal was beheaded, -
9:35 - 9:38was for someone suffering from what
was known as the falling sickness -
9:38 - 9:40to rush in with a jug,
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9:41 - 9:46scoop up the hot spurting blood
down it in one, and then sprint off. -
9:46 - 9:48This was thought to cure epilepsy.
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9:50 - 9:53In London around the same time,
1665, during The Great Plague, -
9:53 - 9:58the chamberlain of the city ordered
200,000 cats and 40,000 dogs to be culled, -
9:58 - 10:01because it was thought
they spread the plague. -
10:03 - 10:05Women, perhaps this
is the most bizarre one of all, -
10:05 - 10:08since the time of Aristotle
through till about the 18th century, -
10:08 - 10:11where thought to be deformed men.
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10:12 - 10:15Their uterus were inverted penises.
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10:15 - 10:18They just hadn't had enough heat
to push them out of their body -
10:18 - 10:21and of course this produced
a great anxiety. -
10:21 - 10:26Occasionally, they had stories circulating
of a woman or a girl leaping over a fence -
10:26 - 10:31and then gosh there she discovered
she was a man, her penis fell out. -
10:31 - 10:34Of course, if it could be done like that,
it could be reversed as well. -
10:34 - 10:39There was a certain anxiety
about being a man in early modern England. -
10:39 - 10:44We have a tendency to look at the past
and think, they were just like us. -
10:44 - 10:49What was going on inside their heads
was really, really different. -
10:49 - 10:52If we are going to get any insight
from those TV reality shows at all, -
10:52 - 10:55perhaps it comes when they fall down.
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10:55 - 10:59In 1940's House,
the war committee as it were, -
10:59 - 11:02gave them rabbits to eat
and the family refused to eat them, -
11:02 - 11:05because of course they had
the mentality of today. -
11:05 - 11:07In one called The Trench,
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11:07 - 11:09where a group of young boys pretended
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11:09 - 11:15to go to have an experience of being
on the front line in World War One, -
11:15 - 11:20a Corporal brought along a grey coat
of one who had said to have fallen, -
11:20 - 11:23there was something quite poignant
and completely ridiculous about the moment -
11:23 - 11:28because of course, the chap hadn't fallen,
he hadn't died, he'd just left the show. -
11:28 - 11:31The reality of that moment
of what it must have been like -
11:31 - 11:37to lose a friend, a companion,
in World War One, was still missing. -
11:37 - 11:39How we view the past matters,
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11:39 - 11:42whether we see it as foreign or familiar,
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11:42 - 11:46particularly, for example, it matters
in questions of moral judgement. -
11:46 - 11:48Can we judge the past?
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11:48 - 11:50Academic historians generally say no.
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11:50 - 11:51We need to try and understand it.
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11:51 - 11:54We need to give it
all the respect it's due. -
11:55 - 11:58When you think
of the Holocaust and Hitler, -
11:58 - 12:02when you think of slavery,
would it not be wrong to judge? -
12:02 - 12:04The historian Collingwood said,
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12:04 - 12:09"To pass moral judgement on the past,
is to fall into the fallacy of imagining -
12:09 - 12:13that somewhere behind a veil,
the past is still happening, -
12:13 - 12:15as if it's now being enacted
in the next room, -
12:15 - 12:18and we ought to break in and stop it.
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12:19 - 12:24These things have been, they are over,
there is nothing to be done about them." -
12:27 - 12:29We need to seek to understand the past.
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12:29 - 12:33But we need not to do
just historical clothing, -
12:33 - 12:36that we always call costume,
for some reason I never understand. -
12:36 - 12:41We need to don their mind-set,
we need to get out our guidebooks. -
12:41 - 12:44Is the past a foreign country?
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12:44 - 12:45Yes, very much so.
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12:46 - 12:51But it's different in ways
that we haven't imagined. -
12:51 - 12:56It's a bit like saying that France isn't
so different because they eat baguettes, -
12:56 - 12:58but because they think nothing odd
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12:58 - 13:00about having a mistress
and a wife at a funeral. -
13:00 - 13:03They just have a different mentality.
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13:04 - 13:06Why do we make the past so cosy?
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13:06 - 13:12I would suggest it's because the past
is not just foreign, it's also dangerous. -
13:13 - 13:18We have a sense that, behind that veil,
there are glinting swords and barred teeth -
13:18 - 13:20that if we actually knew
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13:20 - 13:23what went on in the past
and what went on in their minds, -
13:23 - 13:26we might understand a bit more
about the human condition -
13:26 - 13:28than we really want to.
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13:28 - 13:31But I would suggest too that,
if we wanted to get to that foreign land, -
13:31 - 13:36we have to be as it said the Macbeth:
"bold, bloody and resolute." -
13:36 - 13:37We need to be brave,
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13:37 - 13:40we need to step through the looking glass,
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13:40 - 13:41into the other side,
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13:41 - 13:44and not keep on
gazing at our own reflections. -
13:44 - 13:46Thank you.
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13:46 - 13:47(Applause)
- Title:
- Is the past a foreign country? | Suzannah Lipscomb | TEDxSPS
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Historian Suzannah Lipscomb shares her thoughts on viewing the past as a foreign land. And how, if we were to have a more realistic understanding of the past, we ought to acquaint ourselves with the beliefs of that certain period and go beyond merely seeking authentic costumes in period drama and movies.
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3:46.47 So perhabs ask why -> So perhaps that is why
6:40.59 Montallite -> mentalité ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annales_School
7:57.81 Chromewell -> Cromwell