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What makes us feel good about our work?

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    I want to talk a little bit today
    about labor and work.
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    When we think about how people work,
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    the naive intuition we have
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    is that people are like rats in a maze --
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    that all people care about is money,
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    and the moment we give them money,
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    we can direct them to work one way,
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    we can direct them to work another way.
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    This is why we give bonuses to bankers
    and pay in all kinds of ways.
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    And we really have
    this incredibly simplistic view
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    of why people work, and what
    the labor market looks like.
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    At the same time, if you think about it,
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    there's all kinds of strange behaviors
    in the world around us.
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    Think about something like mountaineering
    and mountain climbing.
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    If you read books of people
    who climb mountains, difficult mountains,
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    do you think that those books are full
    of moments of joy and happiness?
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    No, they are full of misery.
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    In fact, it's all about frostbite
    and having difficulty walking,
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    and difficulty breathing --
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    cold, challenging circumstances.
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    And if people were just trying
    to be happy,
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    the moment they would get to the top,
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    they would say,
    "This was a terrible mistake.
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    I'll never do it again."
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    (Laughter)
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    "Instead, let me sit on a beach
    somewhere drinking mojitos."
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    But instead, people go down,
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    and after they recover, they go up again.
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    And if you think about
    mountain climbing as an example,
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    it suggests all kinds of things.
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    It suggests that we care
    about reaching the end, a peak.
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    It suggests that we care
    about the fight, about the challenge.
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    It suggests that there's all kinds
    of other things that motivate us
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    to work or behave in all kinds of ways.
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    And for me personally,
    I started thinking about this
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    after a student came to visit me.
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    This was one of my students
    from a few years earlier,
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    and he came one day back to campus.
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    And he told me the following story:
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    He said that for more than two weeks,
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    he was working
    on a PowerPoint presentation.
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    He was working in a big bank,
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    and this was in preparation
    for a merger and acquisition.
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    And he was working very hard
    on this presentation --
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    graphs, tables, information.
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    He stayed late at night every day.
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    And the day before it was due,
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    he sent his PowerPoint
    presentation to his boss,
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    and his boss wrote him back and said,
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    "Nice presentation,
    but the merger is canceled."
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    And the guy was deeply depressed.
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    Now at the moment when he was working,
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    he was actually quite happy.
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    Every night he was enjoying his work,
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    he was staying late, he was perfecting
    this PowerPoint presentation.
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    But knowing that nobody would ever
    watch it made him quite depressed.
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    So I started thinking
    about how do we experiment
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    with this idea of the fruits of our labor.
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    And to start with, we created
    a little experiment
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    in which we gave people Legos,
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    and we asked them to build with Legos.
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    And for some people,
    we gave them Legos and we said,
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    "Hey, would you like to build
    this Bionicle for three dollars?
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    We'll pay you three dollars for it."
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    And people said yes,
    and they built with these Legos.
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    And when they finished, we took it,
    we put it under the table,
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    and we said, "Would you like
    to build another one,
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    this time for $2.70?"
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    If they said yes,
    we gave them another one,
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    and when they finished, we asked them,
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    "Do you want to build another one?"
    for $2.40, $2.10, and so on,
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    until at some point people said,
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    "No more. It's not worth it for me."
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    This was what we called
    the meaningful condition.
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    People built one Bionicle after another.
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    After they finished every one of them,
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    we put them under the table.
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    And we told them that at the end
    of the experiment,
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    we will take all these Bionicles,
    we will disassemble them,
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    we will put them back in the boxes,
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    and we will use it
    for the next participant.
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    There was another condition.
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    This other condition was inspired
    by David, my student.
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    And this other condition we called
    the Sisyphic condition.
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    And if you remember
    the story about Sisyphus,
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    Sisyphus was punished by the gods
    to push the same rock up a hill,
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    and when he almost got to the end,
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    the rock would roll over,
    and he would have to start again.
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    And you can think about this
    as the essence of doing futile work.
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    You can imagine that if he pushed
    the rock on different hills,
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    at least he would have
    some sense of progress.
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    Also, if you look at prison movies,
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    sometimes the way that the guards
    torture the prisoners
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    is to get them to dig a hole,
    and when the prisoner is finished,
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    they ask him to fill the hole
    back up and then dig again.
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    There's something
    about this cyclical version
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    of doing something over and over and over
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    that seems to be
    particularly demotivating.
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    So in the second condition
    of this experiment,
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    that's exactly what we did.
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    We asked people,
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    "Would you like to build
    one Bionicle for three dollars?"
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    And if they said yes, they built it.
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    Then we asked them, "Do you want
    to build another one for $2.70?"
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    And if they said yes,
    we gave them a new one,
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    and as they were building it,
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    we took apart the one
    that they just finished.
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    And when they finished that,
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    we said, "Would you like
    to build another one,
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    this time for 30 cents less?"
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    And if they said yes,
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    we gave them the one
    that they built and we broke.
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    So this was an endless cycle
    of them building,
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    and us destroying in front of their eyes.
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    Now what happens when you compare
    these two conditions?
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    The first thing that happened was
    that people built many more Bionicles --
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    eleven in the meaningful condition,
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    versus seven in the Sisyphus condition.
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    And by the way, we should point out
    that this was not big meaning.
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    People were not curing cancer
    or building bridges.
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    People were building
    Bionicles for a few cents.
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    And not only that, everybody knew
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    that the Bionicles
    would be destroyed quite soon.
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    So there was not a real
    opportunity for big meaning.
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    But even the small meaning
    made a difference.
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    Now we had another version
    of this experiment.
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    In this other version of the experiment,
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    we didn't put people in this situation,
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    we just described to them the situation,
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    much as I am describing to you now,
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    and we asked them to predict
    what the result would be.
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    What happened?
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    People predicted the right direction
    but not the right magnitude.
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    People who were just given
    the description of the experiment
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    said that in the meaningful condition,
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    people would probably build
    one more Bionicle.
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    So people understand
    that meaning is important,
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    they just don't understand
    the magnitude of the importance,
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    the extent to which it's important.
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    There was one other piece
    of data we looked at.
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    If you think about it, there are
    some people who love Legos,
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    and some people who don't.
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    And you would speculate
    that the people who love Legos
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    would build more Legos,
    even for less money,
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    because after all,
    they get more internal joy from it.
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    And the people who love Legos less
    would build less Legos
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    because the enjoyment
    that they derive from it is lower.
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    And that's actually what we found
    in the meaningful condition.
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    There was a very nice correlation
    between the love of Legos
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    and the amount of Legos people built.
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    What happened in the Sisyphic condition?
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    In that condition,
    the correlation was zero --
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    there was no relationship
    between the love of Legos,
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    and how much people built,
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    which suggests to me
    that with this manipulation
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    of breaking things
    in front of people's eyes,
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    we basically crushed any joy
    that they could get out of this activity.
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    We basically eliminated it.
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    Soon after I finished
    running this experiment,
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    I went to talk to a big
    software company in Seattle.
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    I can't tell you who they were,
    but they were a big company in Seattle.
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    This was a group
    within the software company
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    that was put in a different building,
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    and they asked them to innovate,
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    and create the next big product
    for this company.
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    And the week before I showed up,
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    the CEO of this big software company
    went to that group, 200 engineers,
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    and canceled the project.
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    And I stood there in front of 200
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    of the most depressed
    people I've ever talked to.
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    And I described to them
    some of these Lego experiments,
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    and they said they felt like they had
    just been through that experiment.
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    And I asked them, I said,
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    "How many of you now show up
    to work later than you used to?"
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    And everybody raised their hand.
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    I said, "How many of you now go home
    earlier than you used to?"
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    Everybody raised their hand.
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    I asked them, "How many of you now add
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    not-so-kosher things
    to your expense reports?"
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    And they didn't raise their hands,
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    but they took me out to dinner
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    and showed me what they could do
    with expense reports.
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    And then I asked them, I said,
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    "What could the CEO have done
    to make you not as depressed?"
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    And they came up with all kinds of ideas.
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    They said the CEO could have asked
    them to present to the whole company
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    about their journey
    over the last two years
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    and what they decided to do.
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    He could have asked them to think
    about which aspect of their technology
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    could fit with other parts
    of the organization.
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    He could have asked them to build
    some next-generation prototypes,
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    and see how they would work.
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    But the thing is that any one of those
    would require some effort and motivation.
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    And I think the CEO basically did not
    understand the importance of meaning.
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    If the CEO, just like our participants,
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    thought the essence
    of meaning is unimportant,
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    then he [wouldn't] care.
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    And he would say, "At the moment
    I directed you in this way,
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    and now that I'm directing
    you in this way,
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    everything will be okay."
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    But if you understood
    how important meaning is,
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    then you would figure out
    that it's actually important
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    to spend some time, energy and effort
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    in getting people to care more
    about what they're doing.
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    The next experiment
    was slightly different.
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    We took a sheet of paper
    with random letters,
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    and we asked people
    to find pairs of letters
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    that were identical next to each other.
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    That was the task.
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    People did the first sheet,
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    then we asked if they wanted to do
    another for a little less money,
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    the next sheet for a little bit
    less, and so on and so forth.
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    And we had three conditions.
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    In the first condition, people
    wrote their name on the sheet,
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    found all the pairs of letters,
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    gave it to the experimenter,
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    the experimenter would look at it,
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    scan it from top to bottom,
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    say "Uh huh," and put it
    on the pile next to them.
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    In the second condition,
    people did not write their name on it.
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    The experimenter looked at it,
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    took the sheet of paper,
    did not look at it, did not scan it,
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    and simply put it on the pile of pages.
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    So you take a piece,
    you just put it on the side.
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    In the third condition,
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    the experimenter got the sheet of paper,
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    and put it directly into a shredder.
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    (Laughter)
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    What happened in those three conditions?
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    In this plot I'm showing you
    at what pay rate people stopped.
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    So low numbers mean
    that people worked harder.
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    They worked for much longer.
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    In the acknowledged condition,
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    people worked all the way
    down to 15 cents.
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    At 15 cents per page,
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    they basically stopped these efforts.
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    In the shredder condition, it was twice
    as much -- 30 cents per sheet.
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    And this is basically
    the result we had before.
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    You shred people's efforts, output --
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    you get them not to be as happy
    with what they're doing.
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    But I should point out, by the way,
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    that in the shredder condition,
    people could have cheated.
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    They could have done not so good work,
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    because they realized
    people were just shredding it.
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    So maybe the first sheet
    you'd do good work,
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    but then you see nobody
    is really testing it,
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    so you would do more and more and more.
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    So in fact, in the shredder condition,
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    people could have submitted more work
    and gotten more money,
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    and put less effort into it.
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    But what about the ignored condition?
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    Would the ignored condition
    be more like the acknowledged
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    or more like the shredder,
    or somewhere in the middle?
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    It turns out it was
    almost like the shredder.
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    Now there's good news and bad news here.
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    The bad news is that ignoring
    the performance of people
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    is almost as bad as shredding
    their effort in front of their eyes.
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    Ignoring gets you a whole way out there.
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    The good news is that by simply looking
    at something that somebody has done,
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    scanning it and saying "Uh huh,"
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    that seems to be quite sufficient
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    to dramatically improve
    people's motivations.
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    So the good news is that adding motivation
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    doesn't seem to be so difficult.
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    The bad news is
    that eliminating motivations
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    seems to be incredibly easy,
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    and if we don't think about it
    carefully, we might overdo it.
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    So this is all in terms
    of negative motivation,
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    or eliminating negative motivation.
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    The next part I want to show you
    is something about positive motivation.
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    So there is a store
    in the U.S. called IKEA.
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    And IKEA is a store
    with kind of okay furniture
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    that takes a long time to assemble.
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    (Laughter)
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    I don't know about you,
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    but every time I assemble one of those,
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    it takes me much longer,
    it's much more effortful,
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    it's much more confusing,
    I put things in the wrong way --
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    I can't say I enjoy those pieces.
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    I can't say I enjoy the process.
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    But when I finish it,
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    I seem to like those
    IKEA pieces of furniture
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    more than I like other ones.
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    (Laughter)
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    And there's an old story about cake mixes.
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    So when they started
    cake mixes in the '40s,
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    they would take this powder
    and they would put it in a box,
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    and they would ask housewives
    to basically pour it in,
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    stir some water in it,
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    mix it, put it in the oven,
    and -- voila -- you had cake.
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    But it turns out they were very unpopular.
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    People did not want them,
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    and they thought about
    all kinds of reasons for that.
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    Maybe the taste was not good?
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    No, the taste was great.
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    What they figured out was
    that there was not enough effort involved.
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    It was so easy that nobody
    could serve cake to their guests
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    and say, "Here is my cake."
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    No, it was somebody else's cake,
    as if you bought it in the store.
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    It didn't really feel like your own.
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    So what did they do?
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    They took the eggs and the milk
    out of the powder.
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    (Laughter)
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    Now you had to break
    the eggs and add them,
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    you had to measure the milk
    and add it, mixing it.
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    Now it was your cake.
    Now everything was fine.
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    (Laughter)
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    (Applause)
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    Now, I think a little bit
    like the IKEA effect,
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    by getting people to work harder,
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    they actually got them to love
    what they're doing
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    to a higher degree.
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    So how do we look at this
    question experimentally?
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    We asked people to build some origami.
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    We gave them instructions
    on how to create origami,
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    and we gave them a sheet of paper.
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    And these were all novices,
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    and they built something
    that was really quite ugly --
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    nothing like a frog or a crane.
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    But then we told them,
    "Look, this origami really belongs to us.
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    You worked for us, but I'll tell
    you what, we'll sell it to you.
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    How much do you want to pay for it?"
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    And we measured how much
    they were willing to pay for it.
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    And we had two types of people:
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    We had the people who built it,
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    and the people who did not build it,
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    and just looked at it
    as external observers.
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    And what we found
    was that the builders thought
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    that these were beautiful
    pieces of origami --
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    (Laughter)
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    and they were willing to pay
    five times more for them
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    than the people who just
    evaluated them externally.
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    Now you could say --
    if you were a builder,
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    do you think [you'd say],
    "Oh, I love this origami,
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    but I know that nobody
    else would love it?"
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    Or "I love this origami,
    and everybody else will love it as well?"
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    Which one of those two is correct?
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    Turns out the builders
    not only loved the origami more,
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    they thought that everybody
    would see the world in their view.
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    They thought everybody else
    would love it more as well.
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    In the next version,
    we tried to do the IKEA effect.
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    We tried to make it more difficult.
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    So for some people, we gave the same task.
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    For some people, we made it harder
    by hiding the instructions.
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    At the top of the sheet,
    we had little diagrams
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    of how you fold origami.
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    For some people, we just eliminated that.
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    So now this was tougher.
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    What happened?
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    Well in an objective way,
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    the origami now was uglier,
    it was more difficult.
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    Now when we looked at the easy
    origami, we saw the same thing --
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    builders loved it more,
    evaluators loved it less.
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    When you looked at the hard instructions,
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    the effect was larger.
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    Why?
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    Because now the builders
    loved it even more.
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    (Laughter)
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    They put all this extra effort into it.
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    And evaluators?
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    They loved it even less.
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    Because in reality, it was even uglier
    than the first version.
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    (Laughter)
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    Of course, this tells you something
    about how we evaluate things.
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    Now think about kids.
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    Imagine I asked you, "How much
    would you sell your kids for?"
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    Your memories and associations and so on.
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    Most people would say
    for a lot, a lot of money.
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    (Laughter)
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    On good days.
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    (Laughter)
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    But imagine this was slightly different.
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    Imagine if you did not have your kids.
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    And one day you went to the park
    and you met some kids.
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    They were just like your kids,
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    and you played with them for a few hours,
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    and when you were about to leave,
    the parents said, "Hey, by the way,
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    just before you leave,
    if you're interested, they're for sale."
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    (Laughter)
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    How much would you pay for them now?
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    Most people say not that much.
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    And this is because our kids
    are so valuable,
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    not just because of who they are,
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    but because of us,
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    because they are so connected to us,
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    and because of the time and connection.
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    By the way, if you think
    IKEA instructions are not good,
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    what about the instructions that come
    with kids, those are really tough.
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    (Laughter)
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    By the way, these are my kids, which,
    of course, are wonderful and so on.
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    Which comes to tell you one more thing,
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    which is, much like our builders,
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    when they look at the creature
    of their creation,
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    we don't see that other people
    don't see things our way.
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    Let me say one last comment.
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    If you think about Adam Smith
    versus Karl Marx,
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    Adam Smith had a very important
    notion of efficiency.
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    He gave an example of a pin factory.
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    He said pins have 12 different steps,
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    and if one person does all 12 steps,
    production is very low.
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    But if you get one person to do step one,
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    and one person to do step two
    and step three and so on,
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    production can increase tremendously.
  • 18:38 - 18:40
    And indeed, this is a great example,
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    and the reason for the Industrial
    Revolution and efficiency.
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    Karl Marx, on the other hand,
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    said that the alienation
    of labor is incredibly important
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    in how people think about the connection
    to what they are doing.
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    And if you do all 12 steps,
    you care about the pin.
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    But if you do one step every time,
    maybe you don't care as much.
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    I think that in the Industrial Revolution,
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    Adam Smith was more
    correct than Karl Marx.
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    But the reality is that we've switched,
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    and now we're in the knowledge economy.
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    You can ask yourself, what happens
    in a knowledge economy?
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    Is efficiency still more
    important than meaning?
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    I think the answer is no.
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    I think that as we move to situations
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    in which people have
    to decide on their own
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    about how much effort, attention,
    caring, how connected they feel to it,
  • 19:28 - 19:31
    are they thinking about labor
    on the way to work,
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    and in the shower and so on,
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    all of a sudden Marx
    has more things to say to us.
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    So when we think about labor,
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    we usually think about motivation
    and payment as the same thing,
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    but the reality is that we should
    probably add all kinds of things to it --
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    meaning, creation, challenges,
    ownership, identity, pride, etc.
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    The good news is that if we added
    all of those components
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    and thought about them --
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    how do we create our own
    meaning, pride, motivation,
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    and how do we do it in our workplace,
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    and for the employees --
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    I think we could get people to be
    both more productive and happier.
  • 20:05 - 20:06
    Thank you very much.
  • 20:06 - 20:08
    (Applause)
Title:
What makes us feel good about our work?
Speaker:
Dan Ariely
Description:

What motivates us to work? Contrary to conventional wisdom, it isn't just money. But it's not exactly joy either. It seems that most of us thrive by making constant progress and feeling a sense of purpose. Behavioral economist Dan Ariely presents two eye-opening experiments that reveal our unexpected and nuanced attitudes toward meaning in our work. (Filmed at TEDxRiodelaPlata.)

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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
20:26

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