How to reduce poverty? Fix homes
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0:02 - 0:06The idea of eliminating poverty
is a great goal. -
0:07 - 0:10I don't think anyone
in this room would disagree. -
0:11 - 0:15What worries me
is when politicians with money -
0:15 - 0:18and charismatic rock stars --
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0:18 - 0:19(Laughter)
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0:19 - 0:21use the words,
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0:21 - 0:25" ... it all just sounds so, so simple."
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0:27 - 0:30Now, I've got no bucket of money today
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0:30 - 0:33and I've got no policy to release,
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0:33 - 0:36and I certainly haven't got a guitar.
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0:36 - 0:38I'll leave that to others.
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0:38 - 0:40But I do have an idea,
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0:40 - 0:43and that idea is called
Housing for Health. -
0:43 - 0:46Housing for Health works with poor people.
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0:46 - 0:49It works in the places where they live,
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0:49 - 0:52and the work is done
to improve their health. -
0:53 - 0:55Over the last 28 years,
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0:55 - 0:59this tough, grinding, dirty work
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0:59 - 1:03has been done by literally
thousands of people around Australia -
1:03 - 1:06and, more recently, overseas,
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1:06 - 1:08and their work has proven
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1:08 - 1:13that focused design can improve
even the poorest living environments. -
1:13 - 1:15It can improve health
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1:15 - 1:19and it can play a part in reducing,
if not eliminating, poverty. -
1:21 - 1:23I'm going to start
where the story began -- -
1:23 - 1:271985, in Central Australia.
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1:27 - 1:30A man called Yami Lester,
an Aboriginal man, -
1:30 - 1:32was running a health service.
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1:33 - 1:37Eighty percent of what walked
in the door, in terms of illness, -
1:37 - 1:39was infectious disease --
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1:39 - 1:42third world, developing world
infectious disease, -
1:42 - 1:44caused by a poor living environment.
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1:47 - 1:51Yami assembled a team in Alice Springs.
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1:51 - 1:53He got a medical doctor.
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1:53 - 1:56He got an environmental health guy.
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1:56 - 2:01And he hand-selected a team
of local Aboriginal people -
2:01 - 2:03to work on this project.
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2:04 - 2:05Yami told us at that first meeting,
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2:05 - 2:09"There's no money," --
always a good start -- -
2:09 - 2:13" ... no money, you have six months,
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2:13 - 2:16and I want you to start on a project --"
which, in his language, -
2:16 - 2:18he called "Uwankara Palyanku Kanyintjaku,"
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2:18 - 2:23which, translated, is "a plan
to stop people getting sick" -- -
2:23 - 2:25a profound brief.
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2:27 - 2:29That was our task.
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2:30 - 2:34First step, the medical doctor went away
for about six months. -
2:35 - 2:39And he worked on what were to become
these nine health goals -- -
2:39 - 2:41what were we aiming at?
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2:43 - 2:45After six months of work,
he came to my office -
2:45 - 2:50and presented me with
those nine words on a piece of paper. -
2:50 - 2:54[The 9 Healthy Living Practices: Washing,
clothes, wastewater, nutrition, crowding, -
2:54 - 2:56animals, dust, temperature, injury]
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2:56 - 2:59I was very unimpressed.
Big ideas need big words, -
2:59 - 3:01and preferably a lot of them.
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3:01 - 3:03This didn't fit the bill.
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3:03 - 3:08What I didn't see and what you can't see
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3:08 - 3:12was that he'd assembled thousands of pages
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3:12 - 3:16of local, national
and international health research -
3:16 - 3:21that filled out the picture
as to why these were the health targets. -
3:21 - 3:25The pictures that came a bit later
had a very simple reason. -
3:25 - 3:28The Aboriginal people who were our bosses
and the senior people -
3:28 - 3:30were most commonly illiterate,
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3:30 - 3:33so the story had to be told in pictures
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3:33 - 3:34of what these goals were.
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3:34 - 3:37We worked with the community,
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3:37 - 3:39not telling them what was going to happen
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3:39 - 3:41in a language they didn't understand.
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3:42 - 3:45So we had the goals
and each one of these goals -- -
3:45 - 3:47and I won't go through them all --
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3:47 - 3:51puts at the center the person
and their health issue, -
3:51 - 3:53and it then connects them
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3:53 - 3:57to the bits of the physical
environment that are actually needed -
3:57 - 3:59to keep their health good.
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3:59 - 4:02And the highest priority,
you see on the screen, -
4:02 - 4:06is washing people once a day,
particularly children. -
4:06 - 4:08And I hope most of you are thinking,
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4:08 - 4:09"What? That sounds simple."
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4:09 - 4:13Now, I'm going to ask you all
a very personal question. -
4:13 - 4:15This morning before you came,
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4:15 - 4:19who could have had a wash using a shower?
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4:20 - 4:23I'm not going to ask if you had a shower,
because I'm too polite. -
4:23 - 4:25That's it.
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4:25 - 4:26(Laughter)
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4:26 - 4:27All right, I think it's fair to say
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4:27 - 4:30most people here could have had
a shower this morning. -
4:30 - 4:33I'm going to ask you to do some more work.
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4:33 - 4:35I want you all to select one of the houses
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4:35 - 4:37of the 25 houses you see on the screen.
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4:37 - 4:41I want you to select one of them
and note the position of that house -
4:41 - 4:42and keep that in your head.
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4:42 - 4:44Have you all got a house?
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4:44 - 4:46I'm going to ask you to live there
for a few months, -
4:46 - 4:48so make sure you've got it right.
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4:48 - 4:51It's in the northwest of
Western Australia, very pleasant place. -
4:51 - 4:54OK. Let's see if your shower
in that house is working. -
4:55 - 4:58I hear some "Aw!" and I hear some "Ah!"
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4:58 - 5:01If you get a green tick,
your shower's working. -
5:01 - 5:03You and your kids are fine.
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5:03 - 5:05If you get a red cross,
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5:05 - 5:07well, I've looked carefully
around the room -
5:07 - 5:10and it's not going to make
much difference to this crew. -
5:10 - 5:13Why? Because you're all too old.
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5:13 - 5:16I know that's going to come as a shock
to some of you, but you are. -
5:16 - 5:18And before you get offended and leave,
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5:18 - 5:20I've got to say that being too old,
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5:20 - 5:24in this case, means that pretty much
everyone in the room, I think, -
5:24 - 5:25is over five years of age.
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5:27 - 5:30We're really concerned
with kids naught to five. -
5:30 - 5:31And why?
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5:32 - 5:37Washing is the antidote
to the sort of bugs, -
5:37 - 5:40the common infectious diseases
of the eyes, the ears, -
5:40 - 5:42the chest and the skin
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5:42 - 5:45that, if they occur in the first
five years of life, -
5:45 - 5:49permanently damage those organs.
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5:50 - 5:52They leave a lifelong remnant.
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5:53 - 5:55That means that by the age of five,
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5:55 - 5:58you can't see as well
for the rest of your life. -
5:58 - 6:00You can't hear as well
for the rest of your life. -
6:00 - 6:01You can't breathe as well.
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6:01 - 6:05You've lost a third of your lung
capacity by the age of five. -
6:05 - 6:07And even skin infection,
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6:07 - 6:10which we originally thought
wasn't that big a problem, -
6:10 - 6:13mild skin infections
naught to five give you -
6:13 - 6:15a greatly increased
chance of renal failure, -
6:15 - 6:18needing dialysis at age 40.
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6:18 - 6:21This is a big deal, so the ticks
and crosses on the screen -
6:21 - 6:24are actually critical for young kids.
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6:25 - 6:28Those ticks and crosses
represent the 7,800 houses -
6:28 - 6:30we've looked at nationally
around Australia, -
6:30 - 6:31the same proportion.
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6:31 - 6:33What you see on the screen --
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6:33 - 6:3635 percent of those not-so-famous houses
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6:36 - 6:39lived in by 50,000 indigenous people --
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6:39 - 6:4235 percent had a working shower.
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6:42 - 6:48Ten percent of those same 7,800 houses
had safe electrical systems. -
6:49 - 6:54And 58 percent of those houses
had a working toilet. -
6:56 - 6:58These are by a simple, standard test.
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6:58 - 7:01In the case of the shower:
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7:01 - 7:05does it have hot and cold water,
two taps that work, -
7:05 - 7:10a shower rose to get water
onto your head or onto your body, -
7:10 - 7:12and a drain that takes the water away?
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7:12 - 7:16Not well-designed,
not beautiful, not elegant -- -
7:16 - 7:17just that they function.
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7:17 - 7:20And the same tests
for the electrical system -
7:20 - 7:21and the toilets.
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7:22 - 7:25Housing for Health projects
aren't about measuring failure -- -
7:25 - 7:27they're actually about improving houses.
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7:27 - 7:31We start on day one of every project.
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7:31 - 7:35We've learned -- we don't make promises,
we don't do reports. -
7:35 - 7:40We arrive in the morning with tools,
tons of equipment, trades, -
7:40 - 7:43and we train up a local team
on the first day to start work. -
7:44 - 7:45By the evening of the first day,
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7:45 - 7:50a few houses in that community are better
than when we started in the morning. -
7:50 - 7:52That work continues for six to 12 months,
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7:52 - 7:54until all the houses are improved
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7:54 - 7:58and we've spent our budget
of 7,500 dollars total per house. -
7:58 - 8:00That's our average budget.
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8:00 - 8:05At the end of six months to a year,
we test every house again. -
8:05 - 8:07It's very easy to spend money.
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8:07 - 8:09It's very difficult to improve
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8:09 - 8:12the function of all those
parts of the house. -
8:12 - 8:15And for a whole house,
the nine healthy living practices, -
8:15 - 8:18we test, check and fix
250 items in every house. -
8:19 - 8:23And these are the results we can get
with our 7,500 dollars. -
8:23 - 8:26We can get showers
up to 86 percent working, -
8:26 - 8:30we can get electrical systems
up to 77 percent working -
8:30 - 8:32and we can get 90 percent
of toilets working -
8:32 - 8:35in those 7,500 houses.
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8:35 - 8:36(Applause)
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8:36 - 8:38Thank you.
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8:38 - 8:44(Applause)
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8:44 - 8:47The teams do a great job,
and that's their work. -
8:49 - 8:51I think there's an obvious question
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8:51 - 8:53that I hope you're thinking about.
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8:54 - 8:56Why do we have to do this work?
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8:56 - 8:59Why are the houses in such poor condition?
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8:59 - 9:03Seventy percent of the work we do
is due to lack of routine maintenance -- -
9:03 - 9:05the sort of things that happen
in all our houses. -
9:05 - 9:09Things wear out, should have been done
by state government or local government, -
9:09 - 9:12simply not done, the house doesn't work.
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9:12 - 9:16Twenty-one percent of the things we fix
are due to faulty construction -- -
9:16 - 9:19literally things that are built
upside down and back to front. -
9:19 - 9:21They don't work, we have to fix them.
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9:22 - 9:28And if you've lived in Australia
in the last 30 years, the final cause -- -
9:28 - 9:31you will have heard always
that indigenous people trash houses. -
9:31 - 9:35It's one of the almost
rock-solid pieces of evidence -
9:35 - 9:37which I've never seen evidence for,
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9:37 - 9:40that's always reeled out as "That's
the problem with indigenous housing." -
9:40 - 9:43Well, nine percent
of what we spend is damage, -
9:43 - 9:44misuse or abuse of any sort.
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9:46 - 9:49We argue strongly that the people
living in the house -
9:49 - 9:51are simply not the problem.
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9:51 - 9:53And we'll go a lot further than that;
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9:53 - 9:57the people living in the house
are actually a major part of the solution. -
9:58 - 10:01Seventy-five percent
of our national team in Australia -- -
10:01 - 10:04over 75 at the minute --
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10:04 - 10:08are actually local, indigenous people
from the communities we work in. -
10:08 - 10:10They do all aspects of the work.
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10:10 - 10:16(Applause)
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10:16 - 10:20In 2010, for example, there were 831,
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10:20 - 10:22all over Australia,
and the Torres Strait Islands, -
10:22 - 10:27all states, working to improve the houses
where they and their families live, -
10:27 - 10:29and that's an important thing.
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10:29 - 10:32Our work's always had a focus on health.
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10:32 - 10:33That's the key.
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10:34 - 10:38The developing world bug,
trachoma, causes blindness. -
10:38 - 10:40It's a developing-world illness,
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10:40 - 10:42and yet, the picture you see behind
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10:42 - 10:46is in an Aboriginal community
in the late 1990s, -
10:46 - 10:50where 95 percent of school-aged
kids had active trachoma -
10:50 - 10:52in their eyes, doing damage.
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10:53 - 10:54OK, what do we do?
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10:54 - 10:58Well, first thing we do,
we get showers working. -
10:58 - 11:00Why? Because that flushes the bug out.
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11:00 - 11:02We put washing facilities
in the school as well, -
11:02 - 11:05so kids can wash their faces
many times during the day. -
11:05 - 11:07We wash the bug out.
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11:07 - 11:11Second, the eye doctors tell us
that dust scours the eye -
11:11 - 11:12and lets the bug in quick.
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11:12 - 11:13So what do we do?
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11:13 - 11:17We call up the doctor of dust,
and there is such a person. -
11:17 - 11:19He was loaned to us by a mining company.
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11:19 - 11:21He controls dust on mining company sites.
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11:21 - 11:23And he came out and, within a day,
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11:23 - 11:25it worked out that most dust
in this community -
11:25 - 11:29was within a meter of the ground,
the wind-driven dust -- -
11:29 - 11:31so he suggested making mounds
to catch the dust -
11:32 - 11:35before it went into the house area
and affected the eyes of kids. -
11:35 - 11:39So we used dirt to stop dust.
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11:39 - 11:42We did it. He provided us dust monitors.
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11:42 - 11:44We tested and we reduced the dust.
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11:44 - 11:46Then we wanted to get rid
of the bug generally. -
11:46 - 11:47So how do we do that?
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11:47 - 11:52Well, we call up the doctor of flies --
and, yes, there is a doctor of flies. -
11:53 - 11:54As our Aboriginal mate said,
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11:54 - 11:56"You white fellows ought to get out more."
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11:56 - 11:59(Laughter)
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11:59 - 12:02And the doctor of flies
very quickly determined -
12:02 - 12:06that there was one fly
that carried the bug. -
12:06 - 12:08He could give school kids
in this community -
12:08 - 12:12the beautiful fly trap you see
above in the slide. -
12:12 - 12:14They could trap the flies,
send them to him in Perth. -
12:15 - 12:16When the bug was in the gut,
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12:16 - 12:19he'd send back by return post
some dung beetles. -
12:19 - 12:21The dung beetles ate the camel dung,
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12:21 - 12:23the flies died through lack of food,
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12:23 - 12:24and trachoma dropped.
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12:25 - 12:30And over the year, trachoma dropped
radically in this place, and stayed low. -
12:30 - 12:34We changed the environment,
not just treated the eyes. -
12:35 - 12:38And finally, you get a good eye.
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12:39 - 12:41All these small health gains
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12:41 - 12:44and small pieces of the puzzle
make a big difference. -
12:44 - 12:46The New South Wales Department of Health,
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12:46 - 12:47that radical organization,
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12:47 - 12:51did an independent trial over three years
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12:51 - 12:53to look at 10 years of the work
we've been doing -
12:53 - 12:56in these sorts of projects
in New South Wales. -
12:56 - 13:01And they found a 40 percent reduction
in hospital admissions -
13:02 - 13:05for the illnesses that you could attribute
to the poor environment -- -
13:05 - 13:08a 40 percent reduction.
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13:08 - 13:15(Applause)
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13:16 - 13:19Just to show that the principles
we've used in Australia -
13:19 - 13:20can be used in other places,
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13:20 - 13:23I'm just going to go
to one other place, and that's Nepal. -
13:23 - 13:24And what a beautiful place to go.
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13:24 - 13:28We were asked by a small
village of 600 people -
13:28 - 13:32to go in and make toilets
where none existed. -
13:32 - 13:33Health was poor.
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13:34 - 13:36We went in with no grand plan,
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13:36 - 13:38no grand promises of a great program,
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13:38 - 13:41just the offer to build
two toilets for two families. -
13:41 - 13:44It was during the design
of the first toilet -
13:45 - 13:46that I went for lunch,
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13:46 - 13:49invited by the family
into their main room of the house. -
13:49 - 13:51It was choking with smoke.
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13:51 - 13:54People were cooking
on their only fuel source, green timber. -
13:54 - 13:57The smoke coming off
that timber is choking, -
13:57 - 13:59and in an enclosed house,
you simply can't breathe. -
14:00 - 14:04Later we found the leading cause
of illness and death -
14:04 - 14:08in this particular region
is through respiratory failure. -
14:08 - 14:10So all of a sudden, we had two problems.
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14:10 - 14:12We were there originally
to look at toilets -
14:12 - 14:14and get human waste
off the ground, that's fine. -
14:14 - 14:17But all of a sudden now
there was a second problem: -
14:17 - 14:19How do we actually get the smoke down?
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14:19 - 14:23So two problems, and design should
be about more than one thing. -
14:23 - 14:27Solution: Take human waste,
take animal waste, -
14:27 - 14:30put it into a chamber,
out of that, extract biogas, -
14:30 - 14:32methane gas.
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14:32 - 14:35The gas gives three to four
hours cooking a day -- -
14:35 - 14:39clean, smokeless and free for the family.
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14:39 - 14:44(Applause)
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14:44 - 14:47I put it to you:
is this eliminating poverty? -
14:47 - 14:51And the answer from the Nepali team
who's working at the minute would say, -
14:51 - 14:52don't be ridiculous --
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14:52 - 14:54we have three million
more toilets to build -
14:54 - 14:57before we can even make
a stab at that claim. -
14:57 - 15:00And I don't pretend anything else.
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15:00 - 15:03But as we all sit here today,
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15:03 - 15:05there are now over 100 toilets built
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15:05 - 15:07in this village and a couple nearby.
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15:07 - 15:11Well over 1,000 people use those toilets.
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15:11 - 15:14Yami Lama, he's a young boy.
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15:14 - 15:18He's got significantly less gut infection
because he's now got toilets, -
15:18 - 15:21and there isn't human waste on the ground.
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15:22 - 15:25Kanji Maya, she's a mother,
and a proud one. -
15:25 - 15:30She's probably right now
cooking lunch for her family -
15:30 - 15:32on biogas, smokeless fuel.
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15:32 - 15:34Her lungs have got better,
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15:34 - 15:36and they'll get better as time increases,
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15:36 - 15:38because she's not cooking
in the same smoke. -
15:38 - 15:40Surya takes the waste
out of the biogas chamber -
15:40 - 15:43when it's shed the gas,
he puts it on his crops. -
15:43 - 15:46He's trebled his crop income,
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15:46 - 15:49more food for the family
and more money for the family. -
15:49 - 15:54And finally Bishnu,
the leader of the team, -
15:54 - 15:57has now understood that not only
have we built toilets, -
15:57 - 15:59we've also built a team,
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15:59 - 16:02and that team is now
working in two villages -
16:02 - 16:04where they're training up
the next two villages -
16:04 - 16:06to keep the work expanding.
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16:06 - 16:08And that, to me, is the key.
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16:08 - 16:12(Applause)
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16:13 - 16:15People are not the problem.
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16:17 - 16:18We've never found that.
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16:18 - 16:21The problem: poor living environment,
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16:21 - 16:24poor housing and the bugs
that do people harm. -
16:25 - 16:31None of those are limited by geography,
by skin color or by religion. -
16:31 - 16:32None of them.
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16:33 - 16:36The common link between all
the work we've had to do -
16:36 - 16:37is one thing, and that's poverty.
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16:39 - 16:43Nelson Mandela said, in the mid-2000s,
not too far from here, -
16:43 - 16:49he said that like slavery and apartheid,
"Poverty is not natural. -
16:50 - 16:53It is man-made and can be
overcome and eradicated -
16:53 - 16:56by the actions of human beings."
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16:57 - 16:58I want to end by saying
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16:58 - 17:04it's been the actions of thousands
of ordinary human beings -
17:04 - 17:08doing -- I think -- extraordinary work,
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17:08 - 17:10that have actually improved health,
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17:10 - 17:13and, maybe only in a small way,
reduced poverty. -
17:13 - 17:15Thank you very much for your time.
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17:15 - 17:22(Applause)
- Title:
- How to reduce poverty? Fix homes
- Speaker:
- Paul Pholeros
- Description:
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In 1985, architect Paul Pholeros was challenged by the director of an Aboriginal-controlled health service to "stop people getting sick" in a small indigenous community in south Australia. The key insights: think beyond medicine and fix the local environment. In this sparky, interactive talk, Pholeros describes projects undertaken by Healthabitat, the organization he now runs to help reduce poverty--through practical design fixes--in Australia and beyond.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 17:39
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The English transcript was updated on 11/9/2015.