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Weaving narratives in museum galleries

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    When I was considering a career in the art world,
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    I took a course in London,
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    and one of my supervisors was this irascible Italian
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    called Pietro, who drank too much,
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    smoked too much and swore much too much.
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    But he was a passionate teacher,
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    and I remember one of our earlier classes with him,
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    he was projecting images on the wall,
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    asking us to think about them,
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    and he put up an image of a painting.
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    It was a landscape with figures, semi-dressed,
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    drinking wine. There was a nude woman
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    in the lower foreground, and on the hillside in the back,
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    there was a figure of the mythological god Bacchus,
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    and he said, "What is this?"
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    And I -- no one else did, so I put up my hand, and I said,
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    "It's a Bacchanal by Titian."
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    He said, "It's a what?"
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    I thought maybe I'd pronounced it wrong.
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    "It's a Bacchanal by Titian."
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    He said, "It's a what?"
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    I said, "It's a Bacchanal by Titian." (Laughter)
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    He said, "You boneless bookworm!
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    It's a fucking orgy!"
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    (Laughter)
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    As I said, he swore too much.
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    There was an important lesson for me in that.
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    Pietro was suspicious of formal art training,
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    art history training, because he feared
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    that it filled people up with jargon, and then they just
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    classified things rather than looking at them,
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    and he wanted to remind us that all art was once contemporary,
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    and he wanted us to use our eyes,
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    and he was especially evangelical about this message,
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    because he was losing his sight.
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    He wanted us to look and ask basic questions of objects.
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    What is it? How is it made? Why was it made?
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    How is it used?
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    And these were important lessons to me when
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    I subsequently became a professional art historian.
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    My kind of eureka moment came a few years later,
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    when I was studying the art of the courts of Northern Europe,
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    and of course it was very much discussed in terms of
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    the paintings and the sculptures
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    and the architecture of the day.
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    But as I began to read historical documents
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    and contemporary descriptions,
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    I found there was a kind of a missing component,
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    for everywhere I came across descriptions of tapestries.
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    Tapestries were ubiquitous between the Middle Ages
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    and, really, well into the 18th century,
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    and it was pretty apparent why.
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    Tapestries were portable. You could roll them up,
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    send them ahead of you, and in the time
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    it took to hang them up, you could transform a cold,
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    dank interior into a richly colored setting.
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    Tapestries effectively provided a vast canvas
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    on which the patrons of the day could depict the heroes
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    with whom they wanted to be associated,
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    or even themselves,
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    and in addition to that, tapestries were hugely expensive.
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    They required scores of highly skilled weavers
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    working over extended periods of time
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    with very expensive materials -- the wools, the silks,
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    even gold and silver thread.
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    So, all in all, in an age when the visual image
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    of any kind was rare, tapestries were an incredibly potent
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    form of propaganda.
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    Well, I became a tapestry historian.
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    In due course, I ended up as a curator
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    at the Metropolitan Museum, because I saw the Met
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    as one of the few places where I could organize
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    really big exhibitions about the subject
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    I cared so passionately about.
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    And in about 1997, the then-director Philippe de Montebello
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    gave me the go-ahead to organize an exhibition
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    for 2002. We normally have these very long lead-in times.
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    It wasn't straightforward. It's no longer a question
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    of chucking a tapestry in the back of a car.
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    They have to be wound on huge rollers,
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    shipped in oversized freighters.
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    Some of them are so big we had, to get them into the museum,
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    we had to take them up the great steps at the front.
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    We thought very hard about how to present this
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    unknown subject to a modern audience:
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    the dark colors to set off the colors that remained
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    in objects that were often faded;
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    the placing of lights to bring out the silk and the gold thread;
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    the labeling.
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    You know, we live in an age where we are so used
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    to television images and photographs,
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    a one-hit image. These were big, complex things,
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    almost like cartoons with multiple narratives.
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    We had to draw our audience in, get them to slow down,
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    to explore the objects.
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    There was a lot of skepticism. On the opening night,
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    I overheard one of the senior members of staff saying,
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    "This is going to be a bomb."
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    But in reality, in the course of the coming weeks and months,
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    hundreds of thousands of people came to see the show.
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    The exhibition was designed to be an experience,
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    and tapestries are hard to reproduce in photographs.
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    So I want you to use your imaginations,
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    thinking of these wall-high objects,
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    some of them 10 meters wide,
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    depicting lavish court scenes with courtiers and dandies
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    who would look quite at home in the pages of the fashion press today,
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    thick woods with hunters crashing through the undergrowth
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    in pursuit of wild boars and deer,
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    violent battles with scenes of fear and heroism.
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    I remember taking my son's school class. He was eight at the time,
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    and all the little boys, they kind of -- you know, they were little boys,
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    and then the thing that caught their attention
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    was in one of the hunting scenes there was a dog
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    pooping in the foreground — (Laughter) —
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    kind of an in-your-face joke by the artist.
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    And you can just imagine them.
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    But it brought it alive to them. I think they suddenly saw
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    that these weren't just old faded tapestries.
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    These were images of the world in the past,
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    and that it was the same for our audience.
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    And for me as a curator, I felt proud. I felt I'd shifted the needle a little.
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    Through this experience that could only be created
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    in a museum, I'd opened up the eyes of my audience --
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    historians, artists, press, the general public --
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    to the beauty of this lost medium.
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    A few years later, I was invited to be the director
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    of the museum, and after I got over that --
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    "Who, me? The tapestry geek? I don't wear a tie!" --
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    I realized the fact: I believe passionately in that
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    curated museum experience.
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    We live in an age of ubiquitous information,
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    and sort of "just add water" expertise,
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    but there's nothing that compares with the presentation
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    of significant objects in a well-told narrative,
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    what the curator does, the interpretation of a complex,
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    esoteric subject, in a way that retains the integrity
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    of the subject, that makes it -- unpacks it
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    for a general audience.
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    And that, to me, today, is now the challenge and the fun
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    of my job, supporting the vision of my curators,
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    whether it's an exhibition of Samurai swords,
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    early Byzantine artifacts, Renaissance portraits,
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    or the show we heard mentioned earlier,
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    the McQueen show, with which we enjoyed
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    so much success last summer.
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    That was an interesting case.
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    In the late spring, early summer of 2010, shortly after
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    McQueen's suicide,
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    our curator of costume, Andrew Bolton, came to see me,
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    and said, "I've been thinking of doing a show on McQueen,
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    and now is the moment. We have to, we have to do it fast."
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    It wasn't easy. McQueen had worked throughout his career
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    with a small team of designers and managers
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    who were very protective of his legacy,
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    but Andrew went to London and worked with them
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    over the summer and won their confidence, and that of
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    the designers who created his amazing fashion shows,
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    which were works of performance art in their own right,
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    and we proceeded to do something at the museum,
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    I think, we've never done before.
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    It wasn't just your standard installation.
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    In fact, we ripped down the galleries to recreate
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    entirely different settings, a recreation of his first studio,
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    a hall of mirrors,
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    a curiosity box,
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    a sunken ship, a burned-out interior,
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    with videos and soundtracks that ranged from
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    operatic arias to pigs fornicating.
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    And in this extraordinary setting, the costumes
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    were like actors and actresses, or living sculptures.
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    It could have been a train wreck.
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    It could have looked like shop windows on Fifth Avenue
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    at Christmas, but because of the way that Andrew
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    connected with the McQueen team, he was channeling
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    the rawness and the brilliance of McQueen,
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    and the show was quite transcendant,
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    and it became a phenomenon in its own right.
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    By the end of the show, we had people queuing
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    for four or five hours to get into the show,
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    but no one really complained.
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    I heard over and over again, "Wow, that was worth it.
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    It was a such a visceral, emotive experience."
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    Now, I've described two very immersive exhibitions,
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    but I also believe that collections, individual objects,
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    can also have that same power.
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    The Met was set up not as a museum of American art,
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    but of an encyclopedic museum,
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    and today, 140 years later, that vision
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    is as prescient as ever,
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    because, of course, we live in a world of crisis,
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    of challenge, and we're exposed to it
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    through the 24/7 newsreels.
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    It's in our galleries that we can unpack the civilizations,
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    the cultures, that we're seeing the current manifestation of.
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    Whether it's Libya, Egypt, Syria,
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    it's in our galleries that we can explain
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    and give greater understanding.
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    I mean, our new Islamic galleries are a case in point,
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    opened 10 years, almost to the week, after 9/11.
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    I think for most Americans, knowledge of the Islamic world
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    was pretty slight before 9/11, and then it was thrust upon us
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    in one of America's darkest hours,
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    and the perception was through the polarization
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    of that terrible event.
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    Now, in our galleries, we show 14 centuries
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    of the development of different Islamic cultures
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    across a vast geographic spread,
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    and, again, hundreds of thousands of people have come
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    to see these galleries since they opened last October.
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    I'm often asked, "Is digital media replacing the museum?"
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    and I think those numbers are a resounding rejection
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    of that notion. I mean, don't get me wrong,
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    I'm a huge advocate of the Web.
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    It gives us a way of reaching out to audiences
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    around the globe, but nothing replaces the authenticity
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    of the object presented with passionate scholarship.
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    Bringing people face to face with our objects
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    is a way of bringing them face to face with people
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    across time, across space, whose lives may have been
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    very different to our own, but who, like us,
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    had hopes and dreams, frustrations and achievements
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    in their lives. And I think this is a process
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    that helps us better understand ourselves,
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    helps us make better decisions about where we're going.
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    The Great Hall at the Met is one of the great portals of the world,
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    awe-inspiring, like a medieval cathedral.
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    From there, you can walk in any direction
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    to almost any culture.
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    I frequently go out into the hall and the galleries
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    and I watch our visitors coming in.
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    Some of them are comfortable. They feel at home.
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    They know what they're looking for.
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    Others are very uneasy. It's an intimidating place.
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    They feel that the institution is elitist.
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    I'm working to try and break down that sense of that elitism.
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    I want to put people in a contemplative frame of mind,
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    where they're prepared to be a little bit lost, to explore,
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    to see the unfamiliar in the familiar,
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    or to try the unknown.
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    Because for us, it's all about bringing them face to face
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    with great works of art,
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    capturing them at that moment of discomfort,
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    when the inclination is kind of to reach for your iPhone,
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    your Blackberry, but to create a zone
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    where their curiosity can expand.
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    And whether it's in the expression of a Greek sculpture
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    that reminds you of a friend,
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    or a dog pooping in the corner of a tapestry,
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    or, to bring it back to my tutor Pietro,
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    those dancing figures
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    who are indeed knocking back the wine,
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    and that nude figure in the left foreground.
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    Wow. She is a gorgeous embodiment of youthful sexuality.
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    In that moment, our scholarship can tell you
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    that this is a bacchanal,
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    but if we're doing our job right,
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    and you've checked the jargon at the front door,
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    trust your instinct.
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    You know it's an orgy.
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    Thank you. (Applause)
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    (Applause)
Title:
Weaving narratives in museum galleries
Speaker:
Thomas P. Campbell
Description:

As the director of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, Thomas P. Campbell thinks deeply about curating—not just selecting art objects, but placing them in a setting where the public can learn their stories. With glorious images, he shows how his curation philosophy works for displaying medieval tapestries—and for the over-the-top fashion/art of Alexander McQueen. (From The Design Studio session at TED2012, guest-curated by Chee Pearlman and David Rockwell.)

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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
16:36

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