[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,0:00:02.25,0:00:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Vance Stevens: We're live! Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.83,0:00:08.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello, everybody. Somehow my video disappeared. Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.26,0:00:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's there, but that's my - it's just in avatar format. Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.64,0:00:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Plus does that every now and then. Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.20,0:00:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, well anyway, this is Vance Stevens in Abu Dhabi..., no, sorry, in Al Ain. Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.34,0:00:20.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm living in Al Ain now, I forget where I'm living. Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.14,0:00:21.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today is the 8th of December. Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.53,0:00:25.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They move me around so much, you know. Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.16,0:00:30.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, anyway, it's the 8th of December 2013. Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.06,0:00:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're talking with a good friend of mine, Phil Hubbard, Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.42,0:00:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Stanford University in Palo Alto, California. Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.04,0:00:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he's been doing some really neat stuff in Cal. Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.94,0:00:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've known him for a long time in the Cal Intersection TESOL. Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.61,0:00:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Phil Hubbard: Since we were kids. Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.24,0:00:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: We were, it was like 20 years ago\N[Hubbard laughs] Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.55,0:00:57.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: reaching 30 [check]\N[background voice] Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.100,0:01:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Someone has a -- someone needs to have a headset on. Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.04,0:01:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[missed words] is muted. Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.81,0:01:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Errh not sure: it could be someone listening to the stream. Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.50,0:01:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, if you're listening to the stream -- OK. Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.92,0:01:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The echo has gone away [check] Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.50,0:01:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone has corrected it, that's good. Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.05,0:01:23.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right, well, OK. Someone has announced in the stream chat that they're listening to it there. Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.37,0:01:25.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's good, everything seems to be working. Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.100,0:01:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're doing a Hangout on Air, as we often do. Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.50,0:01:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're streaming it on webheadsinaction.org/live Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.27,0:01:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the moment we have six people in the hangout, Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.50,0:01:37.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's room for four more. Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.75,0:01:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if anyone is listening on the stream and would like to join us, they can. Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.91,0:01:47.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And right now we've got Claire Siskin and Jim Buckingham, Rita Zeinstejer and Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.100,0:01:59.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's see, and also Rob, Rob is there, and me, Vance Stevens. Rob Permanus, is that correct? Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.10,0:02:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Correct me if I'm wrong. Permanus, Permanus - how do you pronounce your name? Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.66,0:02:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: You have to unmute him {\i1}chuckles{\i0} Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.24,0:02:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: it's Perhamus -- Perhamus, OK, Good, I'll never forget that again, all right. Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.44,0:02:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much, Rob. Rob is an occasional participant in our hangouts. Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.16,0:02:28.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well Phil, take it away and anybody who wants to -- Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.38,0:02:31.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the way, you're all muted by default when you come into the hangout. Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.83,0:02:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can unmute yourself. Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.78,0:02:39.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're going to unmute yourself and talk, please mute yourself again, Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.07,0:02:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we don't get keyboard noises and things like that. Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.20,0:02:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's Elizabeth Anne, also shown up from Grenoble in France. Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.00,0:02:53.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Halima Ozimova in Tashkent has also joined us, I see. Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.20,0:02:55.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard [check] I think we're great, well, hello, everybody. Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.37,0:02:59.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's Good Morning for me, a little early in the morning, Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.14,0:03:04.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the sun is beginning to show through the back window here. Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.04,0:03:08.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you all for being here from all over the world. Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.67,0:03:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I wanted to do today is talk about largely an idea and a project that I've been working on Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.08,0:03:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the last couple of years, very sporadically. Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.58,0:03:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately I get interrupted easily, as I'm sure all of you do, Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.41,0:03:35.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so what started out as a -- what I hoped was going to be a much more robust collection of materials Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.90,0:03:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has turned out to be a little more anemic Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.58,0:03:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I still think that I have enough here that I can demonstrate the idea Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.42,0:03:48.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and especially share my thoughts about how to go Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.71,0:03:55.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about dealing with this relatively new notion of curation, Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.75,0:04:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although in some ways, maybe it's just a label for an old notion that we've had for quite some time. Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.08,0:04:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, let me give you a little bit of the background, Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.46,0:04:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like several of the things I've worked on in the last few years, Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.59,0:04:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like learner training. Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.66,0:04:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is something that has emerged out of my classroom experience Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.98,0:04:21.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with an advanced listening and vocabulary class, Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.94,0:04:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I see Vance is showing some of the slides now. Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.32,0:04:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The class is for graduate students at Stanford Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.86,0:04:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's a really nice sandbox for playing with ideas, Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.47,0:04:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because these are -- well, they're all in graduate school already, Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.10,0:04:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're, for the most part, in the high 90's onwards to the 100s in the TOEFL iBT Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.27,0:04:59.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they really are advanced in that sense. Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.10,0:05:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And many of them are taking the course because we require them to do it. Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.05,0:05:08.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they're kind of a captive audience Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.05,0:05:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's also a small course: we have a maximum 14 students in it Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.06,0:05:22.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it allows me to not only play around with ideas, but get a chance to talk to the students afterward, Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.37,0:05:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not usually with formal research, but just informally as part of our normal tutorial sessions Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.89,0:05:35.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and find out what they thought about them and what I can do to make them work a little better. Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.51,0:05:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the problem that I noticed - an important part of this class Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.64,0:05:45.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that students do independent projects Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.80,0:05:52.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those independent projects are supposed to be for a minimum of three hours a week. Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.44,0:05:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sounds like I am getting some echo in the background, but I will keep pushing through here.. Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.51,0:06:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uhh.. those projects are for three hours a week Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.40,0:06:09.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are responsible for doing the selection of the material Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.41,0:06:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with my help and with my guidance both before and after. Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.53,0:06:23.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And over the years, I have discovered that they are actually not really good at that. Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.33,0:06:27.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What they are good at is finding material that is interesting to them. Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.38,0:06:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, they are not necessarily good at finding material that helps them. Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.58,0:06:38.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They discover that on their own a little bit down the road Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.93,0:06:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and often it doesn't become clear to both of us Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.64,0:06:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I have a very slow learning curve and quickly forget things. Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.66,0:06:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I get to the end of the class and then I go Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.82,0:06:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, I should have provided them with a little more guidance.". Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.94,0:06:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, about 2 years ago, I started doing this Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.41,0:06:59.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it came as a juxtaposition of a couple of things. Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.93,0:07:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, just my own general interest in the development of autonomy had been growing Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.28,0:07:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as I have gone out and collected materials that I would just use in class, Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.09,0:07:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was pretty clear to me that there is a huge amount of really interesting materials out there. Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.90,0:07:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And people have been collecting these for a while Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.58,0:07:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and teachers have been building lessons out of them Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.90,0:07:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- sometimes pretty sophisiticated lessons -- Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.52,0:07:31.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I needed something that students could work with on their own. Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.24,0:07:37.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, I wanted to find a way to help them without just my advice Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.78,0:07:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as to how to look for materials, to actually start collecting materials Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.51,0:07:44.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in ways that would still give them quite a bit of freedom of choice Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.73,0:07:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but would also make it better as a language learning experience. Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.01,0:07:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As part of this course, they are also required to build vocabulary. Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.18,0:08:02.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have to identify at least 35 new words and phrases every week, Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.79,0:08:04.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the material they are using. Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.45,0:08:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this is a bit of the backdrop. Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.71,0:08:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 2011, I came across a book, kind of independently. Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.12,0:08:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was just recommended to me, for some reason, by Amazon: Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.20,0:08:18.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know how that works. Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.36,0:08:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the book was called 'Curation Nation' Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.15,0:08:27.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there is, I think, a slide there perhaps somewhere, it's like the sixth slide. Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.27,0:08:32.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a -- if you want to pop that up. Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.84,0:08:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If not, it's just a picture of the book. Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.60,0:08:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's a book it's a book by Steven Rosembaum. Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.54,0:08:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>>Stevens: I will. Could I -- Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.16,0:08:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am supposed to be able to mute mikes, as the owner of the chat, Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.80,0:08:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I am unable to mute Halima's for some reason Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.38,0:08:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is where the echo is coming from. Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.85,0:08:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, Halima, could I ask if you could click on the "mute" on your mike when not speaking? Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.12,0:08:56.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you want to unmute, you can always speak to us. Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.13,0:08:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is where our echo is coming from. Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.71,0:09:03.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And okay, I will do what Phil has asked me to do and pull up 'Curation Nation'. Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.80,0:09:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: {\i1}laughs{\i0} Alright, thanks. Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.74,0:09:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, this is not a book about education by any stretch, Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.70,0:09:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it did come up with this notion that we have so much material on-line now Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.72,0:09:21.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are having so much difficulty in sorting out Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.69,0:09:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the good stuff is from the chaff, for any reason, for news and so on. Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.89,0:09:29.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we have all these feeds: Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.99,0:09:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, if you -- those of you on Twitter or any of the other networks that have lots of feeds, Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.17,0:09:41.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get the -- even Google+ -- you get feeds from your friends, Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.14,0:09:47.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get feeds from people that whoever runs the site thinks might be interesting to you Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.97,0:09:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you are just overwhelmed with an enormous amount of material. Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.14,0:09:53.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of it's pretty cool. Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.72,0:09:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Much of it is stuff you wouldn't find on your own and that's great. Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.59,0:10:03.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when you've got the specific target of trying to improve your language Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.79,0:10:09.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- and of course, the group that I work with doesn't actually do a whole lot with social media Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.07,0:10:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they don't have time as full-time graduate students -- Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.67,0:10:17.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am lucky if I can squeeze a few hours out of them to do the work Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.41,0:10:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they need for the course that they are taking for credit from me. Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.24,0:10:28.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this notion of curation is based roughly Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.03,0:10:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the idea of what people do in museums and in art galleries. Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.68,0:10:42.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You get an expert, somebody who actually knows a fair amount about a particular area Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.35,0:10:50.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have that expert create collections, add value to them in one way or another, Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.76,0:10:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you release those collections for the consumer - whoever it might be -- Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.36,0:10:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have a look at and to interact with. Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.96,0:11:06.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the key difference between this and what a lot of people are doing with this material Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.43,0:11:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- you may have heard concepts like "digital curation", Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.31,0:11:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which can just mean curating digital materials Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.56,0:11:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but often means that computers are doing the job for you. Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.99,0:11:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Google news is a really good example of that: Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.44,0:11:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find a lot of interesting stuff in there, I can even ask it to find particular categories, Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.86,0:11:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's still being selected without any human intervention. Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.20,0:11:35.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You compare that with something like Huffington Post, Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.56,0:11:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is material that's been brought in by people who are Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.70,0:11:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- in some cases, they're producing it, but in other cases they are aggregating it Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.42,0:11:48.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and trying to make sense out of it for the rest of us. Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.31,0:11:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, a key point here is that curation isn't the same as aggregation, or listing, or tagging. Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.32,0:12:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's okay to use that term for that but that's not the way I am using it. Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.38,0:12:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a really nice quote in my slide there that -- I think it's maybe -- Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.16,0:12:17.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two more slides down, Vance. One more. There you go. Past curation.. yeah, that one. Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.37,0:12:23.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is - it's maybe a little mean, but I think it's right on point Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.74,0:12:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that when you just get collections of things, you've just got collections of things Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.62,0:12:34.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and its not necessarily anything other than "these are things that I liked" Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.51,0:12:36.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or "these are things that I think you will like". Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.34,0:12:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I prefer the next slide: you want to go to it, Vance? Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.57,0:12:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is more the way I see curation, Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.91,0:12:50.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you collect material, you organize it, Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.74,0:12:53.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is even the potentially a path, well, there is certainly a path Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.75,0:12:56.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the individual material groups, Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.10,0:12:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then mayble even a path through the groups, Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.98,0:13:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although at the moment I haven't done that last point. Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.06,0:13:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this is, you know, kind of captures the idea that I want to talk about today. Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.29,0:13:13.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Curation, importantly, is not the same as creation or recreation Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.43,0:13:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or adaptation or sampling, or synthesizing. Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.26,0:13:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's taking the material and adding something to it, maybe just a commentary, Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.76,0:13:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe just collecting it into some logical framework or logical sequence. Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.18,0:13:40.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when I took that idea, which I was getting through the Curation Nation book, Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.25,0:13:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thought about it with respect to the material that I was using, Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.16,0:13:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I decided to experiment with that and come up Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.54,0:13:57.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with some collections of materials from -- as you probably know from the title here and also the PDF, Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.22,0:13:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you've had a look at it -- comes from TED Talks. Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.48,0:14:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in a moment I will talk about why I think TED talks is so good for that Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.23,0:14:07.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at the base level, these were very popular with my students. Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.24,0:14:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What the students were doing more-- Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.46,0:14:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were having trouble coming up with good ones. Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.17,0:14:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would always pick what was interesting Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.93,0:14:19.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then often come back to me and say Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.27,0:14:24.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, this was interesting, but I had trouble understanding it because my -- Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.71,0:14:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the accent of the speaker was not easy for me to understand." Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.66,0:14:33.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or "I had trouble understanding it because -- it was interesting Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.44,0:14:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I didn't know anything about it and I didn't have the background Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.84,0:14:39.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so there was a whole bunch of new vocabulary." Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.18,0:14:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So t could be interesting for all sorts of reasons, Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.06,0:14:45.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it wasn't interesting for the right reasons, Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.21,0:14:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for what we think is good for independent language learning. Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.76,0:14:54.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, this doesn't mean that all of those collections, with the help of a teacher, Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.02,0:14:57.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,couldn't have been very valuable in a classroom Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.01,0:15:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and especially getting to the content for connecting to discussions. Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.00,0:15:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's not the same thing as letting students work on their own. Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.42,0:15:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I do want to emphasis that. Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.88,0:15:10.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My perspective here, at least initially, Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.54,0:15:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is getting students to be able to do these things outside of class Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.88,0:15:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then just come back and report on them Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.92,0:15:21.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than having something we do in class Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.14,0:15:24.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that everybody does the same homework assignment on. Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.89,0:15:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alright, so that's the set-up for what I believe curation should be, Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.52,0:15:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or at least can be, within this framework. Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.94,0:15:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I think what I'll do here is pause for a second and see if anybody has questions. Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.97,0:15:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and bring it up by trying to look at some of the chat pieces here Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.11,0:15:51.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh -- [{\i1}he hums{\i0}] Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.99,0:15:53.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[reading:] "What is meant by sign..." Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.54,0:15:56.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, so some of these chats are to each other about the chats. Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.82,0:15:58.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I got to go to the other window Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.49,0:16:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh -- anybody -- anybody have any questions here? Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.80,0:16:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If not, I'll continue on. Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.45,0:16:12.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: I have to admit I have trouble following all the chats. Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.81,0:16:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's also a back channel here, with Google: some people could be in that one. Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.61,0:16:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never see that one until I get off of -- Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.88,0:16:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Well, the last chat -- the last piece on the group chat said: Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.69,0:16:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yeah, we agree with you, Phil." Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.62,0:16:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So: that's great. Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.85,0:16:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll stop [check] there and if everybody agrees with me, I don't really need to -- Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.50,0:16:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: you need go no further \N>> Hubbard: [overlapping, inaudible] Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.20,0:16:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No [{\i1}Hubbard and Stevens laugh{\i0}] Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.98,0:16:41.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: OK, well, so, again, that's kind of the background, Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.11,0:16:46.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this idea that I needed to start collecting things. Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.91,0:16:50.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I'm still kind of almost two years in the past, now, Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.24,0:16:54.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telling you the story of how I got to where I got here. Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.06,0:16:59.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I picked TED talks and I started going into TED talks. Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.59,0:17:03.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wasn't quite sure how I wanted to collect them Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.70,0:17:06.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I knew there were some of the ones that {\i1}I{\i0} liked Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.49,0:17:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I also knew some characteristics that I thought were useful for the students. Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.71,0:17:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought it was important to collect them into themes. Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.27,0:17:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, we've known for a long time that if you have related content, Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.07,0:17:25.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it kind of feeds -- the materials feed one another Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.79,0:17:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the students get probably a better and a richer experience, Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.96,0:17:32.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they get more natural repetition and key vocabulary Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.100,0:17:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than if you have people just kind of jumping out piecemeal Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.86,0:17:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with unconnected bits of material. Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.94,0:17:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I -- in the 1980's I was forced to teach a course with a book I don't remember the name of that. Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.44,0:17:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do remember the author, but I'm not going to mention it on air. Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.52,0:17:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a reading textbook and the reading textbook had really interesting little chapters, Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.72,0:18:02.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least most of them were interesting to me, Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.63,0:18:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, you know, one chapter would be on the Olympics Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.40,0:18:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the next chapter would be on sea-horses. Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.71,0:18:14.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's that kind of jumping around -- we typically don't do that with textbooks anymore. Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.19,0:18:18.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yet when we turn students loose, a lot of times, that's what {\i1}they{\i0} decide to do. Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.58,0:18:22.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, even though I had been giving them guidance, saying: Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.84,0:18:28.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, collect several bits of, you know, pieces of material, videos or podcasts Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.46,0:18:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are related to one another in some way," Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.81,0:18:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they wouldn't follow that advice, because it hadn't been done for them. Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.55,0:18:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were still kind of chasing around, looking for the spots that just seemed interesting. Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.43,0:18:49.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. I think what I'll do is tell you what the Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.11,0:18:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- at a kind of the abstract level, what I came up with Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.59,0:18:56.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what the curator's role should be. Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.26,0:19:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, this is specifically for this target audience, Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.04,0:19:05.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think it can be tweaked and extended to other ones. Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.55,0:19:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first thing you have to do is collect the stuff: you want digital materials, Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.21,0:19:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you want to organize them in some way: Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.28,0:19:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mine are organized systematically, but you could do Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.25,0:19:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- you know, you could take news stories and do them chronologically. Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.97,0:19:28.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need to sequence them and this is where a lot of collections fall short. Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.73,0:19:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're just -- they're either randomly sequenced Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.47,0:19:34.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they're not sequenced at all. Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.75,0:19:40.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think it is possible, as, you know, as the resident [check] expert, the teacher, Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.92,0:19:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to say: Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.92,0:19:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Here's a way to move so that the earlier ones might be a little bit easier to follow Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.55,0:19:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the later ones are better understood if you've done the earlier ones." Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.76,0:19:56.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fourth point there that Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.65,0:19:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- on the slide that Vance has -- Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.35,0:20:01.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the hardest part of all of this, Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.56,0:20:07.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is trying to get this material levelled in some way. Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.46,0:20:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wilfried Decoo in 2010 wrote a book, it's at the end Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.05,0:20:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- the reference is at the end of the slideshow here -- Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.84,0:20:17.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on systemization. Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.54,0:20:20.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was kind of a return to the idea that Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.62,0:20:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if you're using authentic material, Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.06,0:20:27.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and especially if you're trying to create course material yourself, Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.94,0:20:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you need to have a kind of natural development of that material Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.06,0:20:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from, you know, easier at lower levels, to harder Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.95,0:20:43.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he went to the point of even talking about keeping databases Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.68,0:20:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were very finely tuned, Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.16,0:20:50.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you would be able to pull out lexical items and grammatical points and so on Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.29,0:20:54.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a scope and sequence that fit Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.22,0:20:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we thought we knew about language learning. Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.78,0:21:01.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know his -- I think his perspective is Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.59,0:21:05.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I think is a reasonable one to bring up again, Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.59,0:21:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I think we are often not cognizant of the difference between Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.32,0:21:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accessible and barely accessible and inaccessible materials, Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.57,0:21:19.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially now that students can go in and, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.55,0:21:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get their first-language subtitles and transcripts for a lot of these materials Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.17,0:21:32.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then have the illusion that they are actually understanding the English, in this case, Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.12,0:21:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that they're building their English proficiency, where they -- Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.17,0:21:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- they may be to some extent, but probably not to the extent that they think they are. Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.15,0:21:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is the, you know, that idea of -- Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.27,0:21:54.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, in Decoo's book of fine tuning material. Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.71,0:21:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That doesn't work for me because at the levels I have, Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.26,0:22:01.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first of all, I have mixed-level classes to some degree, Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.30,0:22:03.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although they are all fairly advanced. Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.44,0:22:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They come from different backgrounds, I don't know what they know going in. Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.57,0:22:13.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's a little tricky to do it in the way that he likes. Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.64,0:22:19.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it still gave me the impetus to try and see if I could come up with something, Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.27,0:22:21.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, I'll show you that in a bit. Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.56,0:22:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the last part of that, then, once you can give at least some kind of level information, Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.90,0:22:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to go ahead and then present your pedagogical support, Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.44,0:22:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever it might be. Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.85,0:22:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is fairly open-ended, I mean teachers can get -- and often do get -- into material Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.76,0:22:48.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they start stripping out what they think are key vocabulary, Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.06,0:22:52.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they produce, you know, pre-listening activities, Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.78,0:22:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have post-listening activities, Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.74,0:22:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have discussion activities. Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.15,0:23:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All these are great, but they're based kind of on a classroom model Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.22,0:23:06.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and even more important: they take a lot of time away Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.59,0:23:11.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the job of collecting this material. Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.29,0:23:15.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you put the hours into making full lessons, Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.54,0:23:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you end up not having the time to even produce as much as I have, Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.68,0:23:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, as I mentioned, is not as much as I'd like. Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.98,0:23:30.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, so that's the curator's role and then -- Vance, if you could go to the next slide. Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.63,0:23:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did we lose you? Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.99,0:23:36.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Jim Buckingham [check]: Hi Phil, I just wanted to add to something you-- Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.49,0:23:37.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yes, go ahead Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.47,0:23:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Buckingham: Just because of my background: Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.84,0:23:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to work in museums\N>> Hubbard: Oh, fantastic Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.34,0:23:44.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Buckingham: in education and curation\N>> Hubbard: A real curator! Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.99,0:23:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Buckingham: Yeah. Just one other item I would add to the list Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.31,0:23:53.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I made a note of it in the chat section Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.03,0:23:57.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's the -- often without knowing it we're making assumptions about our audience. Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.11,0:24:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Ah!\N>> Buckingham: When we're selecting things, Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.27,0:24:08.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether they be objects for display or -- like in the museums -- or Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.87,0:24:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,objects for presentations to students, we're often unknowingly making assumptions Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.81,0:24:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think it's a really important thing to know, to challenge ourselves Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.40,0:24:24.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the assumptions we're making in making those selections, those choices, as experts. Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.06,0:24:27.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah, I mean that's a very good point Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.42,0:24:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have to -- as individuals, the students always change in my classes. Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.71,0:24:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a group, you know, I get to know the group better. Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.78,0:24:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think, in this very targeted group, I can -- Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.22,0:24:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can come up with at least, initially, some likely ones, Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.72,0:24:51.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do in fact ask them for feedback on -- Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.25,0:24:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, first of all, I give them choices and then I ask them for feedback Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.45,0:25:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both on, you know, what they chose and why, of the ones I selected for them, Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.80,0:25:05.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also what else they might like to see. Dialogue: 0,0:25:06.71,0:25:09.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it becomes a {\i1}little bit{\i0} od a dialog, Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.06,0:25:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that could be even more of a dialog, you know, if you have -- Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.56,0:25:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way my class is structured, again, because it's so small, Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.39,0:25:23.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we do a lot both within class discussion and with the individual tutorials. Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.57,0:25:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you got a larger class and you got a discussion board or a wiki or something like that Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.34,0:25:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where, you know, students can -- can chime in more regularly, Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.40,0:25:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you could get some information. Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.07,0:25:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also haven't formally surveyed them, so that would be useful too. I -- Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.60,0:25:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Buckingham: You're inviting their feedback to inform --\N>> Hubbard: Very much so. Yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.83,0:25:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Buckingham: Yeah --\N>> Hubbard: But not as richly as I could. Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.64,0:25:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So one idea I had was that, you know, like you've seen probably in museums, Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.45,0:26:02.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes they have the displays but they'll also have, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.16,0:26:04.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,places where people can, you know, write cards Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.71,0:26:08.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and make suggestions and say things and drop those off Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.74,0:26:15.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think, probably increasingly, we'll see museum displays Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.30,0:26:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the, you know, the viewers' thoughts are right up there and accessible to other viewers Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.60,0:26:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they go to look at the material. Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.76,0:26:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think you're making a really good point and, you know, this is the -- Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.76,0:26:42.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,figuring out exactly the role of the students who are still kind of developing, Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.79,0:26:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you want to meet them half way but you also, in the curation model, I think, Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.60,0:26:52.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to be careful about the difference between curation and crowdsourcing, Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.52,0:26:56.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I've had students come up with some materials Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.07,0:26:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they thought were really exciting, Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.11,0:26:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when {\i1}I{\i0} looked at it, I could see what the problems were in terms of the -- Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.25,0:27:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the use of it by other students. Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.16,0:27:10.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Buckingham: Now I take your point: it's you acting as the filter. Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.96,0:27:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Buckingham: and finding --\N>> Hubbard: Yeah, and that's -- Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.51,0:27:16.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and again that's -- and again that's the -- this is the kind of, to me, this the curation model. Dialogue: 0,0:27:17.35,0:27:19.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Buckingham: Yeah\N>> Hubbard: The crowdsourcing model Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.43,0:27:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a great model too, it's just a different model Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.85,0:27:24.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it may work better in some cases. Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.98,0:27:28.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course it also depends on, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.43,0:27:32.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been to museums that I didn't think were very well run, were very well organized Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.79,0:27:34.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or were confusing. Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.05,0:27:34.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So --\N>> Buckingham: Yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.85,0:27:37.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: as soon as you have the human expert coming in, Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.40,0:27:40.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they may not be as much of an expert as they think they are. Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.18,0:27:44.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's probably true of me, in fact.\N>> Buckingham: Yeah, and there are lots of people [check] Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.18,0:27:47.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of examples of museums, because I'm into curating things Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.78,0:27:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I'm finding out that the interpretations that they were expecting audiences to have Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.62,0:27:56.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were completely off-base. Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.72,0:27:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah.\N>> Buckingham: I think that's a good example Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.62,0:28:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of big money going into these exhibitions and then being interpreted in a completely unexpected -- Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.90,0:28:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah, well, the good news here is, I have no big money. Dialogue: 0,0:28:09.32,0:28:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mostly have no money at all for this. So -- [he laughs] Dialogue: 0,0:28:13.66,0:28:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's also, the nice thing is, you know, compared to the museum, Dialogue: 0,0:28:18.04,0:28:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you have all of these Unkosten [? check] to putting the material in, Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.02,0:28:26.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once you have something, you start a web page: Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.06,0:28:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it is a disaster, or if it needs to be tweaked or significantly changed, Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.44,0:28:38.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's possible to do that just by finding a little bit of time. Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.73,0:28:44.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Buckingham and Hubbard overlap]\N>> Buckingham: It's just [missed words check] Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.33,0:28:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's even an opportunity, actually, in, as an expert, Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.09,0:28:52.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting together a series of well-chosen articles Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.11,0:28:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then inviting students to assemble them and put them into a -- into an order or sequence, Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.16,0:29:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to try and explain the rationale that they've used, Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.31,0:29:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what connections they've seen in the works. Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.26,0:29:05.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just another angle to it I sure would -- Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.96,0:29:08.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: No, it's a very good angle and in fact, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.91,0:29:16.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I've moved through stages in probably about 15 years of teaching this course, Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.36,0:29:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've tried to give students more independence but also to give them guidance in that independence Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.28,0:29:28.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one of the -- what I hope I'm doing with the material I have, Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.37,0:29:30.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do show them how I put it together. Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.67,0:29:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I hope I'm, you know, kind of modeling curation for them as well. Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.63,0:29:41.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea of getting them to maybe do a little curated piece of their own, Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.77,0:29:45.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be an interesting final project for the course. Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.91,0:29:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will be revisiting it again in Spring. Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.66,0:29:52.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll be away from it in Winter quarter here Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.73,0:29:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we have -- we teach 10-week quarters. Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.68,0:29:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's a possibility for Spring, actually. Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.36,0:30:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could also greatly enrich the collection of material that's available to other students. Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.23,0:30:08.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, as long as I'm there to be a kind of a filter, Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.11,0:30:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than just releasing these into the wild. Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.50,0:30:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or if I do release them, you know, making sure that students know the difference Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.81,0:30:18.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between ones that are student-produced and the once that I produced Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.49,0:30:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and why, you know, I did mine one way. Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.76,0:30:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then they can -- they can judge to some extent, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.38,0:30:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether they think the rationale used by their peers, you know, was useful for them. Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.14,0:30:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's a nice idea, I'm making a note of that. Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.17,0:30:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, shall I move on? Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.47,0:30:48.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> [Stevens? check] Yeah. I'm aware of a podcast - there's the slide on I'm talking -- Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.75,0:30:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah, thanks\N[they laugh] Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.67,0:30:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens (?): I listened to a podcast where some educators had gone to Europe, Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.38,0:30:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably on a junket but ostensibly\N[Hubbard laughs] Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.00,0:31:01.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: to visit museums and find out, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.59,0:31:05.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially ones that had audience attract-- Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.35,0:31:09.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, the idea was that museums, people didn't have to go there, Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.20,0:31:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have to attract people. Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.38,0:31:13.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what do they do to attract the people, as opposed to schools? Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.99,0:31:17.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, how can we design our classroom environment Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.84,0:31:19.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's more like a museum? Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.29,0:31:23.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that was actually a serious project and I'll never remember -- Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.63,0:31:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll never forget how to get it back, but maybe I will tell you in Portmont [check]. Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.04,0:31:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Ah OK? So that was good. Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.08,0:31:38.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, so Vance has put up the slide that I wanted to make a point of here, Dialogue: 0,0:31:38.01,0:31:41.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there are a couple of things that are important about this slide, I think. Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.56,0:31:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first is, even though these are just little bullet points, Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.80,0:31:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that actually took me a while to kind of figure this out, maybe because I'm slow, but -- Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.30,0:31:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oop, Vance, I lost the slide.\N>> Stevens: it is here again? >> Hubbard: thanks. Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.02,0:32:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because of all the other distractions I have Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.38,0:32:10.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and because of other elements of where I am and what the -- sort of the visibility, Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.30,0:32:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first thing I have to make sure is that anything that I curate is actually legally available. Dialogue: 0,0:32:20.97,0:32:26.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a certain amount of stuff that I had used years before, even in my own class, Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.24,0:32:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wasn't quite so sure about what the legality was, I think, in the early days of the internet. Dialogue: 0,0:32:33.86,0:32:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even now with YouTube I try to be careful about making sure that Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.88,0:32:43.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I've found is something that whoever put it up either has the right to Dialogue: 0,0:32:43.13,0:32:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they're reposting something that is -- Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.60,0:32:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's already got a Creative Commons license or something like that. Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.17,0:32:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, especially for something I'm going to put some time into here, Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.12,0:32:59.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to make sure that what I've got is something I can use. Dialogue: 0,0:32:59.43,0:33:01.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also always want to make it freely available Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.62,0:33:05.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because my students have friends back in their home countries Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.46,0:33:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they have even colleagues here who don't end up taking my class Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.64,0:33:17.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have colleagues that are interested in using some of the material I do, Dialogue: 0,0:33:17.46,0:33:23.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so everything I do in this kind of a project, I try to make sure it's freely available on the Web. Dialogue: 0,0:33:24.77,0:33:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vance, we lost the slide again, or at least I did.\N[incomprehensible metallic voice - check] Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.04,0:33:32.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Oh wait, is this Halima saying something? Uh, you know-- Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.71,0:33:37.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: No, Halima is unmuting herself as soon as she comes into the chat. Dialogue: 0,0:33:37.75,0:33:41.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm going to have to -- Halima, can you mute your microphone? Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.57,0:33:44.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it's causing feedback. Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.01,0:33:50.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I hope you can figure that out, and meanwhile we put this back. Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.67,0:33:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it back yet [missed words check] Phil?\N>> Hubbard: Yeah, that's great. >> Vance: OK Dialogue: 0,0:33:55.01,0:33:59.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah, so the "freely and legally available" is an important quality Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.67,0:34:03.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know, TED talks obviously are ideal for that. Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.46,0:34:06.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're likely to be interesting. Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.37,0:34:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again that's something -- oops, lost the slide again, Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.70,0:34:12.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'll just go ahead and walk through these. Dialogue: 0,0:34:13.05,0:34:19.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Likely to be interesting", I guess that connects to a previous commentary [laughs] Dialogue: 0,0:34:19.81,0:34:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we don't always know what students think are interesting, Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.43,0:34:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I try to pick things that I think are, Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.68,0:34:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, have a good chance of being interesting for the students. Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.64,0:34:37.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The good technical quality: there is a lot of stuff, obviously, Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.03,0:34:44.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,available on the Web that's not, that's interesting and freely and legally available, Dialogue: 0,0:34:45.33,0:34:51.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the technical quality is such that it may be less ideal for language learning. Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.25,0:34:57.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're getting better at that now, certainly, than in the old days, Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.52,0:35:04.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when - when you're looking for material, if it's been overly compressed, Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.04,0:35:07.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it was done with devices that weren't that good in the first place, Dialogue: 0,0:35:08.61,0:35:13.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it doesn't necessarily lend itself as well for language learning. Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.96,0:35:18.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stability is a really important point, because I don't want to do this Dialogue: 0,0:35:18.80,0:35:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then find out what I did is not available the next time I teach the class, Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.40,0:35:26.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even the next week. Dialogue: 0,0:35:26.73,0:35:32.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, finding material that has -- either has been up for a while Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.19,0:35:35.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that you know is going to continue to be up for a while. Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.52,0:35:41.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The 5th one is a -- you know, people have different views of this, Dialogue: 0,0:35:41.26,0:35:47.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but because I'm so tied in with vocabulary development along with comprehension, Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.55,0:35:55.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to me it's critical to have captions at least -- [coughs] excuse me, losing my voice here -- Dialogue: 0,0:35:58.33,0:36:03.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have captions at least and ideally, to have transcripts. Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.07,0:36:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the reasons for transcripts is to be able to try to use some material Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.61,0:36:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I'll show you in a moment here some of you are probably familiar with: Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.84,0:36:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the vocabulary profile from lextutor. Dialogue: 0,0:36:16.77,0:36:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By using -- by dumping the transcript into that, you can get an idea of levelling. Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.75,0:36:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you don't have a transcript, Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.52,0:36:29.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you have to kind of use just intuitive feels for what's the level. Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.82,0:36:34.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I've personally seen some pretty significant problems with that. Dialogue: 0,0:36:35.06,0:36:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I may mention one towards the end here Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.76,0:36:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I get to some of the alternative sites I know that already exist for this. Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.18,0:36:45.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then ideally, if you can find complem -- Dialogue: 0,0:36:45.41,0:36:47.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that has complementary materials. Dialogue: 0,0:36:47.69,0:36:51.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, in the case of TED talks, you've got materials that are -- Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.84,0:36:59.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a brief summary of whatever the talk is, right there available, Dialogue: 0,0:36:59.49,0:37:02.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't have to create it as the curator, Dialogue: 0,0:37:02.25,0:37:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've got the bio of the speaker, which is good background information, Dialogue: 0,0:37:06.94,0:37:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in some cases you even have -- I think, what do they call it, TED Ed or something -- Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.98,0:37:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are some TED talks that even have some additional material that -- Dialogue: 0,0:37:17.16,0:37:22.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people have added to them, in the way of discussion questions and things like that. Dialogue: 0,0:37:23.02,0:37:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,TED's not as rich as, say, you know, if you're doing a newscast for example, Dialogue: 0,0:37:28.14,0:37:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you might have several written forms of the same news story Dialogue: 0,0:37:34.40,0:37:35.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you can use for back up: Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.91,0:37:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not quite as rich as that, Dialogue: 0,0:37:37.36,0:37:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's still pretty good with giving you some of these complementary materials, besides the video itself. Dialogue: 0,0:37:46.79,0:37:50.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. You want to move on to the next -- Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.98,0:37:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Actually, it's probably the next couple of slides\N>> Stevens: Yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.73,0:37:56.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: does someone have a question? Dialogue: 0,0:37:56.69,0:38:04.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens [check]: Yes, Peggy George has asked questions in the text chat, the Etherpad one. Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.80,0:38:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's see, I can -- she asks: Dialogue: 0,0:38:06.71,0:38:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Are your students able to share your curated content with others outside the course?" Dialogue: 0,0:38:10.98,0:38:15.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yes. Yes, som you'll see the -- Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.27,0:38:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in fact I think it comes up here on the next slide or couple of slides. Dialogue: 0,0:38:20.40,0:38:25.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually the next slide, if you go to the next slide, let me talk briefly about that, Dialogue: 0,0:38:25.35,0:38:30.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it does have to do with the sharing.\N>> Stevens: Mmm - OK Dialogue: 0,0:38:30.92,0:38:36.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: So that the link there is to the advanced listening website Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.35,0:38:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you'll see, you know, quite a bit of material there, Dialogue: 0,0:38:39.04,0:38:40.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not just the TED talks. Dialogue: 0,0:38:41.22,0:38:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The link - the specific link to the curated TED talks is a couple of slides from here Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.36,0:38:52.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but those are -- those themselves are legally and freely available. Dialogue: 0,0:38:52.35,0:38:55.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're {\i1}my{\i0} websites, they are on the Stanford server: Dialogue: 0,0:38:55.43,0:39:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stanford is not going away any time soon, as far as I know {\i1}I'm{\i0} not going away any time soon. Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.64,0:39:06.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So those are not only, you know, available on the World Wide Web, Dialogue: 0,0:39:06.38,0:39:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless you happen to be from a country that is for some reason blocking access to Stanford: Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.70,0:39:14.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has happened a few times in the past. Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.20,0:39:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if not, then you can get to that material Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.12,0:39:23.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all it does is jump out to the TED talks themselves Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.42,0:39:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the TED talks again are, you know, freely available. Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.32,0:39:31.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I noticed in one of the preliminary discussions Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.07,0:39:38.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that somebody had put in some comments, before this began, on the learning2gether site, Dialogue: 0,0:39:38.66,0:39:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and mentioned YouTube videos, and YouTube videos are certainly a great resource, Dialogue: 0,0:39:46.46,0:39:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most of my students are from China and most of them, then, unless things have changed, Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.13,0:39:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can't freely and legally get the YouTube videos there. Dialogue: 0,0:39:58.49,0:40:03.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so for that reason I try to -- I don't {\i1}avoid{\i0} YouTube Dialogue: 0,0:40:03.74,0:40:07.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I try to limit it and I like to make the curated collections Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.81,0:40:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that my students will be able to use and their friends will be able to use. Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.77,0:40:19.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. Any other questions? Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.02,0:40:26.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh, so, yeah, so they are available and when I -- just so you know -- Dialogue: 0,0:40:26.88,0:40:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I redo the course every quarter, that URL there stays the same, the material is new. Dialogue: 0,0:40:35.83,0:40:38.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, most of it is old actually, but I do update it Dialogue: 0,0:40:38.55,0:40:41.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes because I come up with other ideas Dialogue: 0,0:40:41.42,0:40:45.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes because some of my other class material disappears. Dialogue: 0,0:40:47.12,0:40:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the home page of that each quarter has the link to the previous quarter's materials, Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.87,0:40:58.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you can actually step back from quarter to quarter and go back. Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.53,0:41:04.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never throw anything away on the Web, so it's probably got stuff from 5 years ago Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.27,0:41:09.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you keep clicking back through the previous quarters' material. Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.98,0:41:16.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can see what it was like in the past ["without"? check] sort of my own Internet Archive. Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.25,0:41:24.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. The way that I did this material, let me move on to the -- Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.76,0:41:27.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I guess on this slide, Dialogue: 0,0:41:28.24,0:41:35.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the problems that my students have, typically, fall into issues with speech rate: Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.58,0:41:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the TED talks are too fast. Dialogue: 0,0:41:38.48,0:41:43.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't mean they can't, you know, use top-down skills to understand the basic content, Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.49,0:41:46.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's not necessarily going to help them drive their -- Dialogue: 0,0:41:46.85,0:41:54.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either their listening proficiency, you know, their ability to process English, automatize it, Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.13,0:42:00.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or their ability to pick out the vocabulary that they don't understand or -- Dialogue: 0,0:42:00.71,0:42:05.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even more interesting is the vocabulary they sort of understand or partially understand, Dialogue: 0,0:42:05.67,0:42:11.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they just can't get to it, they can't access it in the time with a faster speaker. Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.83,0:42:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are others in my class, actually, that do OK with some of the faster speakers, Dialogue: 0,0:42:16.70,0:42:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but just having knowledge of the speech rate is useful. Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.55,0:42:28.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Preliminary knowledge of the accent: just a -- since in some cases we have students Dialogue: 0,0:42:28.02,0:42:33.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are having particular difficulties with particular accents, often of their professors, Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.65,0:42:39.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they may actually be doing a project where they're trying to focus on that accent. Dialogue: 0,0:42:40.69,0:42:45.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so in that case, knowing more about the accent is helpful. Dialogue: 0,0:42:45.64,0:42:50.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And others are really trying to -- I wouldn't say "master", Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.89,0:42:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at least becoming -- become more proficient with the North American accent Dialogue: 0,0:42:59.16,0:43:04.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they plan on not only doing their graduate work here, but staying a few years afterwards. Dialogue: 0,0:43:04.15,0:43:10.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a very common professional track for our students whether at the Master's or the Ph.D. level, to -- Dialogue: 0,0:43:11.98,0:43:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because so many of them are in technology, they want to hang around Silicon Valley Dialogue: 0,0:43:15.33,0:43:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as much as the can after they, after the graduate. Dialogue: 0,0:43:20.22,0:43:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. If you could go to the next slide, Vance? Dialogue: 0,0:43:26.86,0:43:30.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: OK I might \N[both overlap] Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.33,0:43:35.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: You mentioned Claude Almansi's contribution to the wiki earlier Dialogue: 0,0:43:35.74,0:43:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one thing that she said -- she left this on the Google+ page as well: Dialogue: 0,0:43:45.11,0:43:50.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I post this to several pages.\NLet me just get rid of that slide for a second. Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.07,0:43:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see I can do that by clicking off the screen share for a second, OK? Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.92,0:43:58.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, anyway. She does work in closed captioning, Dialogue: 0,0:43:58.39,0:44:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she does a lot of very interesting work relating to MOOCs [check] where she is. Dialogue: 0,0:44:01.84,0:44:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the suggestions she made -- I didn't know this, but maybe you did already, Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.34,0:44:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you can -- she said you can, if you get the MP4, if you get an MP4 of a YouTube video, Dialogue: 0,0:44:16.99,0:44:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can then load it into Audacity -- I didn't know that -- Dialogue: 0,0:44:20.44,0:44:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you can adjust the rate of speech there, without causing any chipmunk effects. Dialogue: 0,0:44:30.18,0:44:31.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Mmm.\N>> Stevens: I thought that was kind of neat. Dialogue: 0,0:44:31.93,0:44:34.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sounds like useful information? Dialogue: 0,0:44:34.86,0:44:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah, that's -- again, there are lots of things you can do to go more deeply into this stuff. Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.60,0:44:52.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I -- one of the things I do with TED talks is, you can also download TED talks and you can -- Dialogue: 0,0:44:52.71,0:44:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if you put them into something, well I use the VLC player, Dialogue: 0,0:44:58.34,0:45:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the speech rate slider is right on the top, Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.38,0:45:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's much easier to get at than it is in QuickTime or in Windows Media Player. Dialogue: 0,0:45:08.94,0:45:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like the VLC player for other reasons, in fact. Dialogue: 0,0:45:12.50,0:45:20.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, you know, once you have downloaded you can use the VLC player to -- Dialogue: 0,0:45:21.53,0:45:24.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the most part you don't really get the chipmunk effect Dialogue: 0,0:45:25.03,0:45:29.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's trying to expand the time domain without changing the frequencies, Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.93,0:45:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not like the old days with LP's and cassette tapes Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.59,0:45:38.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where time and frequency were connected to one another. Dialogue: 0,0:45:38.25,0:45:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Digitally, you can isolate those. Dialogue: 0,0:45:42.04,0:45:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we found is that if you slow somebody down to about 80%, Dialogue: 0,0:45:47.08,0:45:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can get a lot more processing time and it still sounds natural as long as you have good material. Dialogue: 0,0:45:55.01,0:45:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have material that's already been compressed too much, Dialogue: 0,0:45:58.23,0:46:04.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then those compression artefacts become stronger if you try to slow it down. Dialogue: 0,0:46:04.52,0:46:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Occasionally, we get people that my students want to speed up Dialogue: 0,0:46:08.96,0:46:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but most of the time, for language learning processes, we're talking about slowing it down. Dialogue: 0,0:46:14.04,0:46:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's -- using, changing speech rate, that's a whole different talk, Dialogue: 0,0:46:21.18,0:46:31.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's, I think, a very underused functionality and something that students sometimes baulk from Dialogue: 0,0:46:31.46,0:46:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we have some research evidence that it's helpful when the students have control over it. Dialogue: 0,0:46:41.75,0:46:44.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, I don't want to diverge too much on that, but that's a -- Dialogue: 0,0:46:44.63,0:46:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do encourage everybody to read that post Dialogue: 0,0:46:47.23,0:46:51.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and see in more detail what some of the options are for doing that. Dialogue: 0,0:46:53.58,0:47:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, one of the -- one of the problems with using the VLC player with those is, Dialogue: 0,0:47:00.36,0:47:09.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you -- if you do try to slow down the speech rate by downloading it and putting it in the VLC player, Dialogue: 0,0:47:09.06,0:47:12.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you actually move the subtitles, because the subtitle feature -- Dialogue: 0,0:47:13.16,0:47:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the captioning feature in the TED website is built into the website, it's not built into the video. Dialogue: 0,0:47:20.90,0:47:26.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so you would need to do some additional captioning if you want to do that. Dialogue: 0,0:47:27.48,0:47:34.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My -- if your goal is general comprehension and you've got decent material, Dialogue: 0,0:47:35.04,0:47:41.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I'm a fan of using the Google beta transcription. Dialogue: 0,0:47:43.70,0:47:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even with good material, it makes a lot of mistakes Dialogue: 0,0:47:46.60,0:47:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with material which, you know, isn't really, really clear, Dialogue: 0,0:47:50.14,0:47:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either because the speaker wasn't clear, or because the signal wasn't clear, Dialogue: 0,0:47:53.50,0:47:54.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it makes a lot more mistakes. Dialogue: 0,0:47:55.31,0:47:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in my case, when I'm trying to have students use it for vocabulary development, Dialogue: 0,0:48:00.17,0:48:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it's got -- if it picks the wrong word, then they're going to be learning something pretty weird. Dialogue: 0,0:48:05.29,0:48:07.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it does that all the time. Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.62,0:48:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you change that and, you know, get around to Google Translate, to get first-language captions, Dialogue: 0,0:48:15.24,0:48:18.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just accentuate the error rate. Dialogue: 0,0:48:19.43,0:48:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, it really depends on what the goal is. Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.72,0:48:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the goal is letting students watch a video for cultural and general content information, Dialogue: 0,0:48:29.98,0:48:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe to trigger classroom discussions, things like that, Dialogue: 0,0:48:32.88,0:48:38.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then using the automated captions is not a bad idea Dialogue: 0,0:48:38.69,0:48:44.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and being able to slow down is not necessarily -- is, well, I think a good idea. Dialogue: 0,0:48:46.62,0:48:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, it depends on what the goals are, but you have to be careful, Dialogue: 0,0:48:50.59,0:48:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the Google beta, there is a reason why they keep calling it beta, Dialogue: 0,0:48:54.12,0:48:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's because it's pretty error-prone. Dialogue: 0,0:48:58.42,0:49:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's getting better but it's not there yet. Dialogue: 0,0:49:01.36,0:49:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if students think it's an accurate rendition Dialogue: 0,0:49:04.72,0:49:06.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's going to be even more difficult. Dialogue: 0,0:49:06.33,0:49:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you do use the automated captions then the students need to be prepared for -- Dialogue: 0,0:49:13.46,0:49:16.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, to be able to recognize when something doesn't make sense. Dialogue: 0,0:49:17.09,0:49:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's usually -- it's a very obvious semantic issue Dialogue: 0,0:49:19.74,0:49:21.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the words they pick. Dialogue: 0,0:49:24.07,0:49:28.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. One other thing, I don't remember if it was in that post or another one but Dialogue: 0,0:49:28.86,0:49:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something I hadn't noticed before someone mentioned that there is a slight delay Dialogue: 0,0:49:36.10,0:49:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the synchronization of the captions in TED Dialogue: 0,0:49:40.30,0:49:43.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compared to the system that they were suggesting. Dialogue: 0,0:49:44.16,0:49:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, uh, that's something else to take into account. Dialogue: 0,0:49:48.98,0:49:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You might, If that delay seems to be an issue for you or your students, then -- Dialogue: 0,0:49:56.77,0:50:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's something that I plan to explore because I hadn't noticed that before. Dialogue: 0,0:50:01.85,0:50:05.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, a little bit about how I finally figured out to do this, Dialogue: 0,0:50:05.78,0:50:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is not the way I would recommend doing it now necessarily Dialogue: 0,0:50:09.92,0:50:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is how I started working on this. When I did it I guess it was Spring of 2011. Dialogue: 0,0:50:18.18,0:50:27.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first thing was to...oh no, it wasn't Spring: Fall of 2011. Dialogue: 0,0:50:27.77,0:50:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first thing to do is to get the TED database. Dialogue: 0,0:50:30.72,0:50:35.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It turns out you can get an excel spreadsheet that has all of the Ted talks on it. Dialogue: 0,0:50:35.49,0:50:39.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you go to their website you can see that there's a link for that. Dialogue: 0,0:50:40.18,0:50:45.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the nice thing about that is that you can skim that a whole lot more easily Dialogue: 0,0:50:45.47,0:50:47.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than you can skim other material Dialogue: 0,0:50:47.62,0:50:55.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can also look, among other things, it tells you what the length of the talk is. Dialogue: 0,0:50:55.09,0:51:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And most Ted talks are around 18 minutes and most students attention focus ability is less. Dialogue: 0,0:51:06.98,0:51:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, okay, the database then, when I did it myself, Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.36,0:51:19.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was smaller for one thing, at that point. Dialogue: 0,0:51:19.86,0:51:24.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I did sort of skim it and looked for ideas, looked for themes Dialogue: 0,0:51:25.49,0:51:27.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and searched for keywords. Dialogue: 0,0:51:27.34,0:51:30.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So creativity was one of the first ones I did, Dialogue: 0,0:51:30.10,0:51:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I was just able to search for anything that had creativity Dialogue: 0,0:51:34.02,0:51:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either in its description or in its title. Dialogue: 0,0:51:38.47,0:51:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I put together a list of candidates within that. Dialogue: 0,0:51:43.30,0:51:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was looking for four or five talks to make a kind of a cluster, Dialogue: 0,0:51:48.09,0:51:52.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a sort of a virtual room in the museum if you will. Dialogue: 0,0:51:53.32,0:52:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for each of those, I -- well, first of all, I did listen to the accent and got that. Dialogue: 0,0:52:02.36,0:52:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to get at least a proxy for the speech speed Dialogue: 0,0:52:06.40,0:52:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so -- the speech rate -- Dialogue: 0,0:52:08.34,0:52:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I just took the transcript, dumped it into Word Dialogue: 0,0:52:11.53,0:52:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that I got a word count, divided that and came up with words per minute. Dialogue: 0,0:52:16.12,0:52:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was actually quite surprised at the range that I could see there. Dialogue: 0,0:52:20.74,0:52:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you go to the website for cre-- the link for "creativity" Dialogue: 0,0:52:25.56,0:52:30.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on my ted1 website of the curated talks there -- Dialogue: 0,0:52:31.21,0:52:35.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the slowest speech rate is like 91 words a minute. Dialogue: 0,0:52:36.04,0:52:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of that is because there are pictures being shown in between Dialogue: 0,0:52:40.48,0:52:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it still means you got a lot more time to process the language coming in Dialogue: 0,0:52:44.88,0:52:48.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than if you got somebody coming in at -- at a higher rate. Dialogue: 0,0:52:49.84,0:52:54.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of my students do a -- Dialogue: 0,0:52:55.45,0:53:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a website at Stanford called "Entrepreneurship corner" Dialogue: 0,0:53:00.12,0:53:03.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they have a lot of Silicon Valley types come in Dialogue: 0,0:53:03.11,0:53:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and give talks on campus. Dialogue: 0,0:53:05.16,0:53:08.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They also have transcripts and subtitles for that Dialogue: 0,0:53:08.56,0:53:13.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one of the talks that I always have the students try Dialogue: 0,0:53:13.15,0:53:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is Marissa Mayer who, at the time she gave the talk, was a VP for Google Dialogue: 0,0:53:18.09,0:53:21.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but is now the CEO of Yahoo!. Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.00,0:53:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she talks between 220 and 237 words a minute on the one I have, Dialogue: 0,0:53:28.88,0:53:36.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I use her as an example of where you might try to use the speech rate shift Dialogue: 0,0:53:36.27,0:53:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be able to use the slider to slow her down to 80%. Dialogue: 0,0:53:42.64,0:53:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. The next thing, once I have that rough speed -- Dialogue: 0,0:53:47.58,0:53:53.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and again, it's just a rough speed, but it's better than not using technology Dialogue: 0,0:53:53.33,0:53:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and try just to use intuition about "This is too fast, this is too slow." Dialogue: 0,0:53:58.35,0:54:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The vocabulary profiler -- this is Tom Cobb's work of genius in my opinion. Dialogue: 0,0:54:06.90,0:54:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a lot of parts to that lextutor.ca site, Dialogue: 0,0:54:11.19,0:54:14.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the one that I use for this purpose is the -- Dialogue: 0,0:54:14.06,0:54:18.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, at the time, was the British National Corpus profiler Dialogue: 0,0:54:18.31,0:54:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there is the link to it there. Dialogue: 0,0:54:19.92,0:54:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, you dump a text, a transcript into it Dialogue: 0,0:54:23.60,0:54:30.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it gives you as output all the words divided into 1'000 verbal frequency bands, Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.63,0:54:34.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, you know, which words are in the first thousand words of English, Dialogue: 0,0:54:34.22,0:54:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the second thousand words of English, and so on, Dialogue: 0,0:54:36.78,0:54:38.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the way up to the 20'000 level. Dialogue: 0,0:54:38.95,0:54:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For my students, we try to focus more on the, you know, just doing a short -- Dialogue: 0,0:54:48.64,0:54:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, we -- I try to get them to focus more around the 5'000 level, Dialogue: 0,0:54:53.68,0:54:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so anything below that that they don't know, Dialogue: 0,0:54:55.96,0:54:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it means it's a word that they should learn. Dialogue: 0,0:54:59.75,0:55:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you go to my site, you can see how that's split up. Dialogue: 0,0:55:04.69,0:55:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I skim the transcript for unusual terms and idioms -- Dialogue: 0,0:55:07.61,0:55:10.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, I meant to mention: in the last few weeks, Dialogue: 0,0:55:11.56,0:55:20.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tom has actually added the Coca, it's a contemporary corpus of American English Dialogue: 0,0:55:20.45,0:55:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and blended those in, Dialogue: 0,0:55:21.98,0:55:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it now goes up to the 25'000 level. Dialogue: 0,0:55:24.74,0:55:29.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it has much more American English in it now, Dialogue: 0,0:55:29.22,0:55:30.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than just the British. Dialogue: 0,0:55:31.20,0:55:35.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, for those of you who like, you know, concordancing Dialogue: 0,0:55:35.21,0:55:37.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and corpus studying, study and so on, Dialogue: 0,0:55:37.51,0:55:43.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's got a much richer layering out than it did when I was using it for this purpose. Dialogue: 0,0:55:45.90,0:55:47.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. So that's the process. Dialogue: 0,0:55:47.74,0:55:53.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I said, you know, I would do it a little bit differently, probably. Dialogue: 0,0:55:53.33,0:55:57.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It turns out that, since the time I began this and now, Dialogue: 0,0:55:58.50,0:56:01.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,TED has come up with its own curated collections. Dialogue: 0,0:56:01.46,0:56:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, if you go to the TED website, Dialogue: 0,0:56:03.60,0:56:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you will see a link to something called "playlists" Dialogue: 0,0:56:06.92,0:56:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these are collections of material that people have put together. Dialogue: 0,0:56:11.23,0:56:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In some cases, it's done by TED itself, Dialogue: 0,0:56:14.50,0:56:17.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, whoever is in the background working there, Dialogue: 0,0:56:17.04,0:56:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they also have curated collections by Bill Gates and Bono Dialogue: 0,0:56:21.60,0:56:24.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, you know, other famous folk, Dialogue: 0,0:56:24.07,0:56:27.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in some cases, they're people who are less famous Dialogue: 0,0:56:27.41,0:56:34.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, you know, are very well-known within their, you know, their more restricted field. Dialogue: 0,0:56:34.85,0:56:37.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's some really, really good collections there. Dialogue: 0,0:56:39.07,0:56:41.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now, instead of just going to the database, Dialogue: 0,0:56:41.65,0:56:45.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my inclination would be to go to that -- to those other curated playlists. Dialogue: 0,0:56:45.87,0:56:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those have been curated just by interest Dialogue: 0,0:56:48.81,0:56:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so if you have a list of maybe 10 or 12 videos on one topic, Dialogue: 0,0:56:55.44,0:56:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you go through those, and maybe you pick out the 4 or 5 Dialogue: 0,0:56:58.71,0:57:00.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you think are easiest to work with. Dialogue: 0,0:57:03.68,0:57:05.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's there on the "Recent changes". Dialogue: 0,0:57:07.06,0:57:09.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did -- number 2 there where it says Dialogue: 0,0:57:09.89,0:57:11.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- this is from my talk last July -- Dialogue: 0,0:57:11.26,0:57:16.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I did have a project assistant who has collected some more material for me Dialogue: 0,0:57:16.48,0:57:21.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and basically run it through the -- the Word, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:57:21.21,0:57:27.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,done some of the preliminary work for the words for minute and the vocabulary profile. Dialogue: 0,0:57:28.66,0:57:31.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately, that came at the end of Summer, Dialogue: 0,0:57:31.24,0:57:33.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right before Fall quarter started for me Dialogue: 0,0:57:33.57,0:57:36.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have not had a chance to really look through her material Dialogue: 0,0:57:37.24,0:57:41.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do have some partially digested material Dialogue: 0,0:57:41.93,0:57:44.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that should help me create some new stuff. Dialogue: 0,0:57:47.21,0:57:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess, at this point, probably the most useful thing -- Dialogue: 0,0:57:51.28,0:57:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vance, could you -- can you actually click on that link to the TED1, Dialogue: 0,0:57:56.16,0:57:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just so I can sort of show people what -- Dialogue: 0,0:57:59.62,0:58:01.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Stevens and Hubbard speak together]\N>> Stevens: ... already. Dialogue: 0,0:58:01.14,0:58:05.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's in the text chat. So --\N>> Hubbard: Ah, OK, so people can go to it Dialogue: 0,0:58:05.94,0:58:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on their own? Alright, then you --\N>>Stevens: I can also share it. Dialogue: 0,0:58:09.14,0:58:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Well, the only thing -- I think if you go down -- go to the next slide actually, Dialogue: 0,0:58:13.48,0:58:15.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's the Creativity group.\N>> Stevens: OK. Dialogue: 0,0:58:15.97,0:58:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: and this will show -- Dialogue: 0,0:58:19.70,0:58:23.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a more condensed version of what you would see on the page. Dialogue: 0,0:58:24.37,0:58:26.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Mmh. OK: let me share it. Dialogue: 0,0:58:26.53,0:58:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: but this is, yeah, this is the Andy Hobs-- Hobsbawm, Dialogue: 0,0:58:30.46,0:58:32.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure how to pronounce his name. Dialogue: 0,0:58:34.02,0:58:41.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a nice beginning talk, I think it's the second talk in the Creativity group. Dialogue: 0,0:58:41.78,0:58:44.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can see it's a pretty short talk, just three and a half minutes. Dialogue: 0,0:58:44.60,0:58:47.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can see the speed is 135 words per minute. Dialogue: 0,0:58:47.66,0:58:50.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He has kind of a dramatic presentation style, Dialogue: 0,0:58:51.12,0:58:55.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that's why it's a little bit more slow, a little bit slower, Dialogue: 0,0:58:55.91,0:58:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's very articulate, it's very easy to hear, Dialogue: 0,0:58:58.84,0:59:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is more of a British English rather than an American English version. Dialogue: 0,0:59:06.69,0:59:09.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The vocabulary you can see at the 5'000 level, Dialogue: 0,0:59:09.74,0:59:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if you -- to read that, I mean, 95% of the words are in the first 5'000 words of English. Dialogue: 0,0:59:17.52,0:59:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, you know, 98% of the first 10'000, and then Off-List. Dialogue: 0,0:59:22.50,0:59:25.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Off-List on these are often proper nouns. Dialogue: 0,0:59:25.54,0:59:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So those don't necessarily cause a great deal of difficulty, Dialogue: 0,0:59:29.49,0:59:31.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially if some of the names in it, Dialogue: 0,0:59:31.23,0:59:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or names of places are ones that the students already are familiar with. Dialogue: 0,0:59:36.16,0:59:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[stifles a sneeze] Excuse me. Dialogue: 0,0:59:38.16,0:59:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,About to sneeze. Wasn't expecting to do that online. Dialogue: 0,0:59:42.86,0:59:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then a little bit of a comment: "creativity is repeated a number of times." Dialogue: 0,0:59:46.72,0:59:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if you go to the website, you'll see it's a -- it's a little richer than that Dialogue: 0,0:59:50.56,0:59:53.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this kind of captures the main point I want to say. Dialogue: 0,0:59:53.96,0:59:59.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said, I'm giving value added, as the expert, Dialogue: 0,0:59:59.19,1:00:01.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not only am I collecting these things, Dialogue: 0,1:00:02.11,1:00:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm using technology to give students some idea of level. Dialogue: 0,1:00:09.26,1:00:11.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ultimately, it would be great if I could say, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:00:11.74,1:00:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is level 5 of 10 levels, or this is at the B1 level of the C, CEF, Dialogue: 0,1:00:22.95,1:00:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or just even, you know, this is high-intermediate, or something like that. Dialogue: 0,1:00:28.63,1:00:31.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have that confidence yet, Dialogue: 0,1:00:31.87,1:00:34.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so at this point I'm giving students more the raw data, Dialogue: 0,1:00:34.87,1:00:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do actually tell them, and I may highlight this in future versions, Dialogue: 0,1:00:40.43,1:00:47.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that at the 5'000 level is probably the most important pivot point for my students. Dialogue: 0,1:00:48.32,1:00:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If that level, you know, if that's up to 96 or 97%, Dialogue: 0,1:00:52.29,1:00:55.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that means they're going to understand that fairly well. Dialogue: 0,1:00:55.43,1:01:00.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it's down even to 92 or 93%, then there are likely to be enough words in there Dialogue: 0,1:01:00.76,1:01:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they are going to have gaps. Dialogue: 0,1:01:02.88,1:01:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they'll be able to process it top-down, extract information from it, Dialogue: 0,1:01:07.72,1:01:10.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it won't be as valuable for language learning. Dialogue: 0,1:01:10.68,1:01:12.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at the, you know, the research on reading, Dialogue: 0,1:01:12.85,1:01:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is much better established than on listening, Dialogue: 0,1:01:17.07,1:01:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anywhere between 95 and 98% is what people typically quote as Dialogue: 0,1:01:22.36,1:01:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,material that's ideal for language learning. Dialogue: 0,1:01:25.53,1:01:28.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And below that percentage, if you don't know those words, Dialogue: 0,1:01:29.33,1:01:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you're not going to be reading or listening in the same way: Dialogue: 0,1:01:33.35,1:01:36.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're not going to be processing the language in the same way. Dialogue: 0,1:01:37.14,1:01:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. I see we're moving ahead quite a bit on time here. Dialogue: 0,1:01:41.85,1:01:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think I'll go to a -- just a final slide. Dialogue: 0,1:01:45.95,1:01:48.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vance, could you go to the "Related examples" one? Dialogue: 0,1:01:50.31,1:01:54.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Uh-uh.\N>> Hubbard: Just to let you -- yeah -- Dialogue: 0,1:01:54.10,1:01:56.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these are just a few places that I know of Dialogue: 0,1:01:56.81,1:01:59.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where people are trying to do something similar. Dialogue: 0,1:02:00.51,1:02:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The CLILSTORE Project is a very big European project Dialogue: 0,1:02:05.88,1:02:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they have collected material. Dialogue: 0,1:02:10.73,1:02:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of it they've done themselves, Dialogue: 0,1:02:11.98,1:02:16.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of it teachers have put into there, to their database, Dialogue: 0,1:02:16.37,1:02:23.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have information on the talk itself, they've -- Dialogue: 0,1:02:23.15,1:02:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whoever has done it has put in a CEF level, Dialogue: 0,1:02:28.64,1:02:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it starts with all the A1 material, then the A2, and then the B1 and then the B2. Dialogue: 0,1:02:33.82,1:02:37.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's done in -- I checked -- and it's apparently done intuitively. Dialogue: 0,1:02:37.70,1:02:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not apparently done by running it through, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:02:42.40,1:02:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the kind of material that I was using there, lextutor and so on. Dialogue: 0,1:02:46.44,1:02:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But at least, it means an expert teacher has said: Dialogue: 0,1:02:49.50,1:02:51.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Here is the level I think this is at." Dialogue: 0,1:02:51.83,1:02:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will mention some issues with that myself, Dialogue: 0,1:02:55.56,1:03:00.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I looked at it and they put a TED talk in the A1 level, somebody had it. Dialogue: 0,1:03:00.65,1:03:07.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's definitely not the A1 level for -- at least for comprehension purposes. Dialogue: 0,1:03:07.10,1:03:09.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It may be that the person put that in Dialogue: 0,1:03:09.15,1:03:11.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the content was so valuable Dialogue: 0,1:03:11.10,1:03:14.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that they thought that this is something that could be used Dialogue: 0,1:03:14.53,1:03:16.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, with a lot of help. Dialogue: 0,1:03:16.20,1:03:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the main feature of the CLILSTORE material is that all of the words -- Dialogue: 0,1:03:23.70,1:03:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a transcript Dialogue: 0,1:03:25.31,1:03:29.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all the words in the transcript are linked to multilingual dictionaries. Dialogue: 0,1:03:29.54,1:03:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you just have to click on a word in a transcript you don't know, Dialogue: 0,1:03:32.14,1:03:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you immediately get the response. Dialogue: 0,1:03:35.36,1:03:39.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ayamel is a Brigham Young media project Dialogue: 0,1:03:39.60,1:03:44.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they've been collecting and cataloging authentic media. Dialogue: 0,1:03:44.15,1:03:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of these use authentic media, I want to emphasize there, Dialogue: 0,1:03:48.69,1:03:50.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you could go back, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:03:50.90,1:03:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and curate Randall's Cyber Listening Lab or something like that as well. Dialogue: 0,1:03:55.32,1:03:57.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I haven't checked this one. Dialogue: 0,1:03:57.56,1:03:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hope the link is still good. Dialogue: 0,1:03:59.96,1:04:03.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a product called Lingle Dialogue: 0,1:04:03.03,1:04:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will index according to Common European Framework level, Dialogue: 0,1:04:06.56,1:04:09.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if you put something into it, it will give its best guess Dialogue: 0,1:04:09.89,1:04:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as to, you know, what the level is for both reading and for listening. Dialogue: 0,1:04:17.56,1:04:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. Let's see. Dialogue: 0,1:04:21.27,1:04:25.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see somebody else has put a CEF level (check) over in the chat -- James. Dialogue: 0,1:04:25.39,1:04:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, some of you might want to take a look at some of the [missed word, check] material. Dialogue: 0,1:04:30.80,1:04:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As somebody else mentioned the SRA, by the way, Dialogue: 0,1:04:32.96,1:04:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't have it in this talk, Dialogue: 0,1:04:34.56,1:04:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I -- some of you may be familiar with Tom Robb's work on graded readers. Dialogue: 0,1:04:40.60,1:04:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charles Brown has also been doing a lot of work in that. Dialogue: 0,1:04:43.31,1:04:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And graded readers are clearly examples of material that fits into this. Dialogue: 0,1:04:50.48,1:04:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The difference is, they're not freely available. Dialogue: 0,1:04:54.28,1:04:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unless somebody has come up with a really good collection that I don't know about yet, Dialogue: 0,1:04:57.98,1:05:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're always stuck with having to pay a fair amount to a publisher Dialogue: 0,1:05:02.53,1:05:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get the graded readers, and they're not authentic, Dialogue: 0,1:05:06.14,1:05:08.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think they're useful enough, Dialogue: 0,1:05:08.13,1:05:11.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, I don't think that authenticity is all that great a thing if you're -- Dialogue: 0,1:05:11.46,1:05:15.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're still at a lower level and just trying to get the language in. Dialogue: 0,1:05:15.18,1:05:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I think, something that's well-written and, you know, well-produced, Dialogue: 0,1:05:21.75,1:05:27.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to me, whether it's technically authentic or not is a secondary issue. Dialogue: 0,1:05:27.61,1:05:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My key here is this idea of freely available, and often it's not. Dialogue: 0,1:05:33.82,1:05:37.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. Let me go ahead and stop again: Dialogue: 0,1:05:37.28,1:05:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the, you know, the final comments and the reference list and all of that, Dialogue: 0,1:05:40.60,1:05:42.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can get if you go to the PDF yourself Dialogue: 0,1:05:42.98,1:05:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do want to give people a chance, especially some of those who have, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:05:49.50,1:05:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either put things over in the chat Dialogue: 0,1:05:52.27,1:05:56.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or who have read things over in the chat that look interesting, Dialogue: 0,1:05:56.39,1:05:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and certainly the participants here. Dialogue: 0,1:05:59.06,1:06:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What -- what questions and comments do we have? Dialogue: 0,1:06:05.06,1:06:08.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Claude Almansi has arrived in the chat Dialogue: 0,1:06:08.77,1:06:14.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but she's shy about coming in because she hasn't heard the whole conversation, Dialogue: 0,1:06:14.23,1:06:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but anyway: I guess she could if she wanted. Dialogue: 0,1:06:17.73,1:06:22.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are seven people in the chat now, so we have -- that is, in the hangout -- Dialogue: 0,1:06:22.73,1:06:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we have room for three. Dialogue: 0,1:06:25.56,1:06:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Buckingham: Hi Phil, I just wanted to add, I think that this is\N>>Hubbard: Uh uh Dialogue: 0,1:06:29.07,1:06:31.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Buckingham: This -- it lit a light bulb for me. Dialogue: 0,1:06:31.83,1:06:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just thought this getting a group of people together, Dialogue: 0,1:06:35.40,1:06:41.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use this kind, this style of approach to collecting transcripts Dialogue: 0,1:06:41.65,1:06:43.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and analyzing the transcripts Dialogue: 0,1:06:43.48,1:06:46.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the being able to put them, I don't know where, Dialogue: 0,1:06:46.59,1:06:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somewhere up in the cloud, Dialogue: 0,1:06:48.46,1:06:52.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean over time, you could have quite an assortment of these readings Dialogue: 0,1:06:52.17,1:06:58.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be shared collectively, and then, basically, circumvent the SRA Dialogue: 0,1:06:58.63,1:07:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the [missed words - check]. Dialogue: 0,1:07:00.36,1:07:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This would be fantastic. Dialogue: 0,1:07:02.94,1:07:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just thinking aloud here. Dialogue: 0,1:07:04.50,1:07:10.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Well it's, you know, certainly part of what I'm trying to do here, Dialogue: 0,1:07:10.03,1:07:13.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don't have the time that I wish I did for this, Dialogue: 0,1:07:13.90,1:07:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, is to both encourage other people to be interested in it Dialogue: 0,1:07:21.15,1:07:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get into, whether they're formal or informal collaborative projects Dialogue: 0,1:07:26.23,1:07:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for putting stuff together, Dialogue: 0,1:07:28.14,1:07:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then, secondly, just for experimenting for yourself, Dialogue: 0,1:07:31.76,1:07:38.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this is something that I've thought about a lot, I've done some reading in, Dialogue: 0,1:07:38.43,1:07:42.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've also tried things along the way Dialogue: 0,1:07:42.81,1:07:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have ideas about how to make it better, Dialogue: 0,1:07:44.98,1:07:49.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's still very much in its infancy. Dialogue: 0,1:07:49.15,1:07:57.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is if -- if is the subtitle of Rosenbaum's book is that, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:07:57.26,1:08:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,content is the -- curation is the future of content, Dialogue: 0,1:08:01.31,1:08:04.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then this is something we need to get better at Dialogue: 0,1:08:04.61,1:08:08.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be thinking about that for different purposes, Dialogue: 0,1:08:08.27,1:08:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, if you're curating materials, for example, for teachers to use in classrooms, Dialogue: 0,1:08:12.90,1:08:16.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be quite different from curating materials Dialogue: 0,1:08:16.73,1:08:19.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you're going to have the students use independently. Dialogue: 0,1:08:19.47,1:08:21.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could hopefully overlap quite a bit, Dialogue: 0,1:08:21.62,1:08:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it won't be the same. Dialogue: 0,1:08:24.53,1:08:31.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And curating materials for cultural purposes, or for triggering discussions, Dialogue: 0,1:08:31.15,1:08:33.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not going to be the same as the way I've curated here, Dialogue: 0,1:08:33.98,1:08:40.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, where I'm more concerned with level than other people might be, Dialogue: 0,1:08:40.68,1:08:42.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereas others might be more concerned with the content itself Dialogue: 0,1:08:42.87,1:08:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, you know, don't have a problem with letting people listen to it Dialogue: 0,1:08:46.83,1:08:49.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with subtitles in their native language. Dialogue: 0,1:08:51.37,1:08:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or, you know, with sort of getting the gist of it without necessarily getting all the details. Dialogue: 0,1:08:56.84,1:09:00.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is a -- there's a very rich area here to explore in lots of different directions. Dialogue: 0,1:09:00.77,1:09:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I try to do too, is keep the curation pretty light. Dialogue: 0,1:09:04.79,1:09:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I've given this talk before, a couple of times, Dialogue: 0,1:09:07.49,1:09:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people often come up with ideas for, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:09:11.52,1:09:15.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adding discussion questions, basically making it more, Dialogue: 0,1:09:15.65,1:09:19.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into more lesson-like and adding -- Dialogue: 0,1:09:19.06,1:09:21.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in other words, having more value added. Dialogue: 0,1:09:21.46,1:09:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that's great. Dialogue: 0,1:09:23.60,1:09:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm trying to come up with sort of an intermediate stage Dialogue: 0,1:09:27.06,1:09:29.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I'm doing something that's helpful, Dialogue: 0,1:09:29.52,1:09:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not something that -- that I wouldn't have time to do otherwise. Dialogue: 0,1:09:39.78,1:09:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are there questions, comments? Dialogue: 0,1:09:49.26,1:09:55.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see there is a lot of people talking about SRA [{\i1}laughs{\i0}] over in the chat. Dialogue: 0,1:09:55.91,1:09:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: [missed words - check]\N>> Hubbard: Yeah. Dialogue: 0,1:09:57.67,1:09:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: So for those of you would be listening [missed words check] Dialogue: 0,1:09:59.77,1:10:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd be looking SRA Science Research Associates is a -- Dialogue: 0,1:10:03.02,1:10:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a set of graded readers that was very popular in the US, Dialogue: 0,1:10:08.24,1:10:12.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably going back to the 1960's, 1970's. Dialogue: 0,1:10:12.63,1:10:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember using it in my first reading lab Dialogue: 0,1:10:15.44,1:10:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was teaching in the early 80's and it's, Dialogue: 0,1:10:19.10,1:10:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless it's changed, it's designed for native speakers materials, Dialogue: 0,1:10:22.72,1:10:29.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's aimed at trying to lead you step by step into reading proficiency. Dialogue: 0,1:10:29.51,1:10:33.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's a fairly traditional approach of, you know, read, Dialogue: 0,1:10:33.67,1:10:36.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,respond to comprehension questions and so on, Dialogue: 0,1:10:36.18,1:10:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it does have -- it does timed readings and some other things as well, Dialogue: 0,1:10:40.15,1:10:44.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is very much in the general graded readers approach. Dialogue: 0,1:10:48.82,1:10:50.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oops, perhaps I'm not hearing you. Dialogue: 0,1:11:00.52,1:11:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: [missed word check], how about this one. Oops. Dialogue: 0,1:11:03.68,1:11:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that working? OK, yeah. Dialogue: 0,1:11:05.24,1:11:09.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My USB went out, now I'm on word mike [check] Dialogue: 0,1:11:09.77,1:11:15.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, well, anyway, I was saying that I have some perspectives on this, Dialogue: 0,1:11:15.67,1:11:22.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having seen you present some of this at the TESOL conference in the KIS group. Dialogue: 0,1:11:22.41,1:11:24.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your focus was a little bit different at that time, Dialogue: 0,1:11:24.85,1:11:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was on the videos themselves. Dialogue: 0,1:11:28.24,1:11:33.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wonder if you have a link to that presentation Dialogue: 0,1:11:33.06,1:11:33.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you could put in there, Dialogue: 0,1:11:33.99,1:11:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there were really nice examples of what you can do with this, Dialogue: 0,1:11:37.42,1:11:39.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as far as finding graded materials for your students, Dialogue: 0,1:11:39.93,1:11:44.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and -- because I think you had those organized in such a way that they started simple Dialogue: 0,1:11:44.79,1:11:47.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and went to more difficult. Dialogue: 0,1:11:47.81,1:11:51.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Right, the materials and I think what I did in that talk Dialogue: 0,1:11:51.63,1:11:57.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is basically walk through the -- the ted1 web page. Dialogue: 0,1:11:58.03,1:12:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so if you go to that link that we've already -- that I've already put in there, Dialogue: 0,1:12:01.84,1:12:03.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one that ends in ted1--\N>> Stevens: yeah Dialogue: 0,1:12:03.87,1:12:06.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: let me see for sure if I can bring it up here Dialogue: 0,1:12:06.73,1:12:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: I might be able to do that. Dialogue: 0,1:12:10.44,1:12:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, yeah, I probably got that here: here we go. Dialogue: 0,1:12:13.76,1:12:15.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, I got it here. Dialogue: 0,1:12:15.68,1:12:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah, so that gives a little bit the back -- Dialogue: 0,1:12:18.20,1:12:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the problems is this particular long scrolling web page Dialogue: 0,1:12:23.64,1:12:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that needs to be broken up and do a little bit of a hierarchy. Dialogue: 0,1:12:27.28,1:12:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for right now, this is sort of what I have available. Dialogue: 0,1:12:31.21,1:12:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it gives a little bit of background, if it's the one I think it is, Dialogue: 0,1:12:35.68,1:12:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let me double-check here and -- It's not up on the main screen Dialogue: 0,1:12:40.15,1:12:42.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I'll have to -- Dialogue: 0,1:12:44.74,1:12:47.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Would it be this one? Yes. We -- have I got it up there now? Dialogue: 0,1:12:48.56,1:12:50.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Errh, that's the one, yeah. Dialogue: 0,1:12:50.39,1:12:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Stevens and Hubbard overlap] Dialogue: 0,1:12:51.72,1:12:53.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: This is actually what the students see. Dialogue: 0,1:12:53.38,1:13:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is really for them.\N>> Stevens: You've got to find the window -- Dialogue: 0,1:13:08.48,1:13:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: And so again, it explains, you know, how I have -- Dialogue: 0,1:13:13.41,1:13:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've -- the material that's in there, Dialogue: 0,1:13:16.24,1:13:18.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the support material that's in there for the students Dialogue: 0,1:13:19.51,1:13:23.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then this is the example group 1, Dialogue: 0,1:13:23.13,1:13:25.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first one I did was on creativity Dialogue: 0,1:13:25.10,1:13:27.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I said that one is a little easier, Dialogue: 0,1:13:27.02,1:13:29.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because sometimes the students want to have some idea of -- Dialogue: 0,1:13:30.66,1:13:33.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was just my impression that it was easier. Dialogue: 0,1:13:34.83,1:13:39.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it starts with -- you can see the words per minute speed on this, Dialogue: 0,1:13:39.87,1:13:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since 91, the vocabulary is relatively easier,you know, Dialogue: 0,1:13:46.40,1:13:51.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,95.4 at the 5K level, it's a US standard. Dialogue: 0,1:13:51.68,1:13:53.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It does have a, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:13:54.38,1:14:02.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost no student who takes this actually knows the word "tinker", going in, Dialogue: 0,1:14:03.05,1:14:04.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is about the "tinkering school". Dialogue: 0,1:14:04.95,1:14:07.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, one of things, if I had a little more time, Dialogue: 0,1:14:07.51,1:14:10.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that I would add under the comment, instead of just saying: Dialogue: 0,1:14:10.86,1:14:12.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Some good vocabulary to learn," Dialogue: 0,1:14:12.93,1:14:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would probably define the word "tinker" there, Dialogue: 0,1:14:17.70,1:14:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without spending too much more time: Dialogue: 0,1:14:21.04,1:14:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just looking at this, it reminds me. Dialogue: 0,1:14:22.88,1:14:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The second one, also fairly short, is the one I already mentioned, Dialogue: 0,1:14:27.20,1:14:30.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the "Do the Green Thing." Dialogue: 0,1:14:30.61,1:14:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The third one, students find this really interesting. Dialogue: 0,1:14:33.86,1:14:39.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a 12-year old giving a talk on what adults can learn from kids. Dialogue: 0,1:14:39.27,1:14:44.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She speaks faster, but the vocabulary level is a little bit lower. [1:14:44] Dialogue: 0,1:14:47.81,1:14:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's kind of inspiring to them to see what 12-year olds can talk about. Dialogue: 0,1:14:54.53,1:14:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next one -- the last one there, "Amy Tan on creativity," Dialogue: 0,1:14:59.08,1:15:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, as I mentioned, I have so many Chinese students in my group, Dialogue: 0,1:15:02.35,1:15:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a, you know, a Chinese-American Dialogue: 0,1:15:04.80,1:15:07.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who writes about the Chinese-American experience. Dialogue: 0,1:15:09.90,1:15:13.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Interestingly, you'd kind of expect somebody from literature Dialogue: 0,1:15:13.66,1:15:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to maybe be using high-level language, Dialogue: 0,1:15:16.16,1:15:20.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but her vocabulary profile is actually the easiest. Dialogue: 0,1:15:20.97,1:15:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, 97.5% at the 5K or below, 96% at the first 3'000 words level. Dialogue: 0,1:15:29.34,1:15:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this one, in terms of accessibility for vocabulary, is by far the easiest. Dialogue: 0,1:15:34.16,1:15:38.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is, however, also longer Dialogue: 0,1:15:39.38,1:15:45.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and because of that, its \N-- OK, I have to Dialogue: 0,1:15:47.37,1:15:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got a -- a little thing popped up on my screen: Dialogue: 0,1:15:51.50,1:15:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's David Wexler "Open Capture" smile. Dialogue: 0,1:15:56.12,1:15:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, am I supposed to click "Open capture"?\N[Stevens giggles] Dialogue: 0,1:16:01.87,1:16:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Anybody know? Dialogue: 0,1:16:03.55,1:16:04.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: I don't know.\N>> Hubbard: they are saying [check] Dialogue: 0,1:16:04.74,1:16:07.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry, mistake, no, sorry, mis-clicking up there [check] Dialogue: 0,1:16:08.96,1:16:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna -- I'm just going to close that window Dialogue: 0,1:16:10.57,1:16:12.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because now I can't see the rest of my stuff. Dialogue: 0,1:16:12.78,1:16:18.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs] I'll be happy to send a photo to you if you'd like. Dialogue: 0,1:16:18.41,1:16:22.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Stevens laughs]\N>> Hubbard: even autographed. Dialogue: 0,1:16:23.44,1:16:25.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, so that was one group. Dialogue: 0,1:16:25.82,1:16:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next group, the one on humor, you'll notice the -- Dialogue: 0,1:16:30.04,1:16:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tell them the overall time on these, Dialogue: 0,1:16:31.73,1:16:34.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this one's like about 40 minutes long Dialogue: 0,1:16:35.32,1:16:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It begins with this talk, which has actually very little English in it, Dialogue: 0,1:16:40.29,1:16:43.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it is a -- this is an example of what happens in curation. Dialogue: 0,1:16:44.51,1:16:47.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The talk by itself isn't that useful for language learning, Dialogue: 0,1:16:47.61,1:16:50.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it sets the stage very much for the first -- Dialogue: 0,1:16:50.55,1:16:52.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the next two talks that follow it. Dialogue: 0,1:16:53.22,1:16:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The TED speaker's worst nightmare", Dialogue: 0,1:16:56.11,1:16:57.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the guy starts to talk and then Dialogue: 0,1:16:58.74,1:17:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- much as I experienced this morning when I was trying to get in here -- Dialogue: 0,1:17:02.97,1:17:05.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,runs into some significant technical difficulty. Dialogue: 0,1:17:07.42,1:17:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, the next one on, "Gotta share" is -- Dialogue: 0,1:17:10.80,1:17:14.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is actually one of the talks, Dialogue: 0,1:17:14.85,1:17:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not technically a TED talk, but it's something posted on the TED website. Dialogue: 0,1:17:18.93,1:17:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has all the -- it has the text support Dialogue: 0,1:17:22.63,1:17:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although it doesn't have a -- it doesn't have a transcript. Dialogue: 0,1:17:27.82,1:17:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you -- but it's actually sort of a musical about social media that's-- Dialogue: 0,1:17:33.36,1:17:34.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's quite interesting. Dialogue: 0,1:17:34.100,1:17:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And specially as a lot of my students actually, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:17:38.24,1:17:40.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they know about Facebook Dialogue: 0,1:17:40.09,1:17:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they don't know about things like vimeo, Dialogue: 0,1:17:43.56,1:17:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't recognize the reference to MySpace, Dialogue: 0,1:17:47.94,1:17:49.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the character says, you know -- Dialogue: 0,1:17:49.61,1:17:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Is anybody else on MySpace?" Dialogue: 0,1:17:50.98,1:17:52.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everybody says "No," Dialogue: 0,1:17:52.34,1:17:57.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, that one [check], FourSquare, and a whole bunch of social media points [check] Dialogue: 0,1:17:57.89,1:18:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's a very entertaining song Dialogue: 0,1:18:06.14,1:18:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's also built into -- Dialogue: 0,1:18:08.96,1:18:10.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, I don't want to give it away too much, Dialogue: 0,1:18:10.74,1:18:12.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in case you want to go and see it. Dialogue: 0,1:18:12.13,1:18:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the third one, "The shared experience of absurdity," Dialogue: 0,1:18:15.48,1:18:20.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is actually by the guy who organized those first two. Dialogue: 0,1:18:20.86,1:18:25.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's more of an academic-style TED talk about, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:18:25.65,1:18:29.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why they go out and do these sorts of things. Dialogue: 0,1:18:30.37,1:18:33.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Among other things, he describes how bigger the project, Dialogue: 0,1:18:33.59,1:18:38.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where people kept getting on without their pants on Dialogue: 0,1:18:38.05,1:18:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at different subway stops in New York Dialogue: 0,1:18:39.77,1:18:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then they filmed the crowd's response to that. Dialogue: 0,1:18:44.13,1:18:45.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He talks a whole lot faster. Dialogue: 0,1:18:46.44,1:18:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His vocabulary, though, is at a fairly accessible level: Dialogue: 0,1:18:49.45,1:18:52.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at that: 98.4% at the 5'000 and below. Dialogue: 0,1:18:52.97,1:18:54.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's talking more conversationally. Dialogue: 0,1:18:54.85,1:18:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is interesting that often what we see in TED talks, Dialogue: 0,1:18:58.35,1:19:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and probably in other ones as well, Dialogue: 0,1:19:00.70,1:19:03.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that the faster the speech rate becomes, Dialogue: 0,1:19:03.70,1:19:06.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the lower the vocabulary rate is. Dialogue: 0,1:19:06.73,1:19:10.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That, I think. would make a really nice Master's thesis sometime, Dialogue: 0,1:19:10.67,1:19:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see if that actually happens Dialogue: 0,1:19:13.26,1:19:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but just impressionistically, I see a lot of that going on here. Dialogue: 0,1:19:17.23,1:19:19.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't seem to be the case with the next one, though, Dialogue: 0,1:19:20.61,1:19:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is, this one is called "Sherman the" -- Dialogue: 0,1:19:24.59,1:19:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Learning from Sherman the Shark" and it's actually the next -- Dialogue: 0,1:19:29.06,1:19:31.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry, the next two -- Dialogue: 0,1:19:32.40,1:19:33.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oops, I mixed myself up there. Dialogue: 0,1:19:33.88,1:19:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, Number 4 is the one that was at 98.4%. Dialogue: 0,1:19:38.31,1:19:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is by Liza Donnelly who's a New York -- Dialogue: 0,1:19:43.28,1:19:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a New Yorker cartoonist, Dialogue: 0,1:19:45.11,1:19:47.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in fact actually the first woman to do -- Dialogue: 0,1:19:48.43,1:19:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be a cartoonist for the New Yorker Dialogue: 0,1:19:50.68,1:19:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and talks about that experience. Dialogue: 0,1:19:54.16,1:19:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Knowing the phrases like "the glass ceiling", which shows up in that talk. Dialogue: 0,1:19:58.66,1:20:02.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then another cartoonist, so we have two kind of related talks, Dialogue: 0,1:20:04.84,1:20:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,finishes that one out. Dialogue: 0,1:20:06.23,1:20:10.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I may not go through all these, but you can see the last group is on the brain. Dialogue: 0,1:20:11.43,1:20:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a certain percentage of students Dialogue: 0,1:20:12.92,1:20:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are either directly or indirectly interested in that topic. Dialogue: 0,1:20:17.50,1:20:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I will go ahead and Dialogue: 0,1:20:21.05,1:20:23.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let you all explore that one on your own. Dialogue: 0,1:20:24.94,1:20:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vance, I see we're starting to lose people, so -- Dialogue: 0,1:20:30.67,1:20:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Yeah [missed words check]\N>> Hubbard: What would you like to do here? -- yeah. Dialogue: 0,1:20:33.66,1:20:35.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Can you hear me?\N>> Hubbard: Yes. Dialogue: 0,1:20:35.49,1:20:37.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Yeah, I guess when we've got to that point about brain Dialogue: 0,1:20:37.78,1:20:39.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that sort of faded [check]. Dialogue: 0,1:20:39.83,1:20:42.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[They laugh] Dialogue: 0,1:20:42.67,1:20:44.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Well, I'll tell you what: Dialogue: 0,1:20:44.60,1:20:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's kind of getting towards dinner time here -- Dialogue: 0,1:20:47.82,1:20:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yes.\N>> Stevens: And maybe breakfast time for you, Dialogue: 0,1:20:50.81,1:20:56.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I sort of -- I feel like we got two presentations in one, there. Dialogue: 0,1:20:56.21,1:20:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's really nice. Dialogue: 0,1:20:57.66,1:21:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two discussions, or how we want to put it. Dialogue: 0,1:21:00.20,1:21:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well obviously, people are, you know, I mean Dialogue: 0,1:21:04.32,1:21:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you said earlier that you didn't have time yourself for all this Dialogue: 0,1:21:08.83,1:21:13.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's -- but you planned to see it in others, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:21:13.07,1:21:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but by making things open and free and accessible Dialogue: 0,1:21:17.24,1:21:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and by giving -- by talking about it in various venues, Dialogue: 0,1:21:21.54,1:21:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,face to face, online, you know, you give people ideas Dialogue: 0,1:21:24.92,1:21:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's -- that will, you know. Dialogue: 0,1:21:26.44,1:21:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, go ahead. Dialogue: 0,1:21:27.20,1:21:29.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Right, I will put one challenge out there, Dialogue: 0,1:21:29.11,1:21:33.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I'm -- I'm really interested in this myself, Dialogue: 0,1:21:33.53,1:21:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of all the work I do with people outside of Stanford as well, Dialogue: 0,1:21:38.28,1:21:42.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who don't have the advantage of the level of students that I have Dialogue: 0,1:21:42.83,1:21:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of, you know, already being at the TOFL level, Dialogue: 0,1:21:46.95,1:21:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,high enough to get into the university here, Dialogue: 0,1:21:50.32,1:21:55.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to see collections that are more targeted at, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:21:55.72,1:22:00.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the high, beginning, low-intermediate level. Dialogue: 0,1:22:00.51,1:22:06.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I have had trouble finding clusters of material Dialogue: 0,1:22:06.09,1:22:07.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that really do that. Dialogue: 0,1:22:07.81,1:22:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, as I said, when I look at the CLILSTORE material, Dialogue: 0,1:22:12.06,1:22:14.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of that, I think, linguistically at least, Dialogue: 0,1:22:14.97,1:22:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though it may be tagged at A1 or A2 level, Dialogue: 0,1:22:18.72,1:22:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,isn't really at that level: It may be usable in {\i1}classes{\i0} at that level, Dialogue: 0,1:22:22.63,1:22:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's different. Dialogue: 0,1:22:25.61,1:22:28.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Have you -- have your students do this! Dialogue: 0,1:22:28.06,1:22:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You said that they don't have a lot of time, but still, you know the -- Dialogue: 0,1:22:32.68,1:22:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah. Well, if I -- if my students were going to do it, Dialogue: 0,1:22:36.20,1:22:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would be doing it at {\i1}their{\i0} level Dialogue: 0,1:22:38.12,1:22:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it wouldn't be -- they wouldn't be looking for stuff at lower levels. Dialogue: 0,1:22:42.78,1:22:44.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I -- it's just, you know, as we well know, Dialogue: 0,1:22:44.74,1:22:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, the number of people who are at lower levels of English, still learning, Dialogue: 0,1:22:50.41,1:22:54.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is much, much greater than those at a higher level, Dialogue: 0,1:22:54.11,1:23:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then the value sort of, globally, for a curated collection would be much higher Dialogue: 0,1:23:04.36,1:23:13.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if people could find, you know, short -- short pieces that otherwise met those criteria, Dialogue: 0,1:23:13.03,1:23:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of being stable and freely available and having the -- the language support. Dialogue: 0,1:23:17.82,1:23:21.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know to what extent, you know, the CLILSTORE will get there: Dialogue: 0,1:23:21.65,1:23:23.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've only explored pieces of it Dialogue: 0,1:23:23.72,1:23:28.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it doesn't seem to be quite there yet. Dialogue: 0,1:23:30.66,1:23:34.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's great for many other reasons Dialogue: 0,1:23:34.43,1:23:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I strongly recommend, if you haven't explored that one, Dialogue: 0,1:23:36.87,1:23:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you take a look at it and consider donating to it as well, if you have materials. Dialogue: 0,1:23:45.62,1:23:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right, so, I got more people moving on. Dialogue: 0,1:23:50.11,1:23:52.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A couple of people are still hanging in here with us. Dialogue: 0,1:23:52.11,1:23:54.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anybody have other comments? Dialogue: 0,1:24:01.91,1:24:06.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Yeah, I'm looking in the text -- in the Etherpad chat. Dialogue: 0,1:24:06.39,1:24:12.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The -- I don't know, if someone else wants to make a comment? Dialogue: 0,1:24:15.47,1:24:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah! Peggy makes - points out that there is a separate chat in the hangout, Dialogue: 0,1:24:20.20,1:24:21.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're not seeing that. Dialogue: 0,1:24:21.23,1:24:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, what [missed words check] tried to do Dialogue: 0,1:24:24.06,1:24:28.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is get people NOT to interact in the hangout, Dialogue: 0,1:24:28.46,1:24:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this doesn't seem to work Dialogue: 0,1:24:30.68,1:24:32.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but anyway, I suppose about, you know -- Dialogue: 0,1:24:32.86,1:24:37.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was thinking about that when some of the links were posted earlier in the, you know, chat, Dialogue: 0,1:24:37.100,1:24:43.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tried, actually tried to copy them and pasted them into the Etherpad chat. Dialogue: 0,1:24:43.05,1:24:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes there -- we sort of really -- I've been doing this in the Etherpad chat Dialogue: 0,1:24:46.76,1:24:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we keep it a little bit together. Dialogue: 0,1:24:48.42,1:24:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's one thing I learned from Jeff [missed words check] minute, so Dialogue: 0,1:24:53.15,1:24:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hubard laughs] Dialogue: 0,1:24:54.57,1:24:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Yeah, sorry about that, Peggy, we'll try next time. Dialogue: 0,1:24:57.79,1:25:03.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll probably enforce that. Anyway --\N>> Hubbard: Somebody got their finger up. Dialogue: 0,1:25:04.90,1:25:09.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Ah ah.\N>> Hubbard [missed words check] [laughs] Dialogue: 0,1:25:11.74,1:25:13.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: No, he's got to unmute himself [check] and he's done that. Dialogue: 0,1:25:13.60,1:25:17.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Ah. OK. Hello! Dialogue: 0,1:25:17.41,1:25:20.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> David [check surname]: Can I -- I can unmute myself. Dialogue: 0,1:25:20.07,1:25:21.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Hi David. Dialogue: 0,1:25:23.40,1:25:25.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: You just muted yourself again. Dialogue: 0,1:25:25.51,1:25:29.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You did unmute yourself, now carry on.\N>> Hubbard: that's right [check] Dialogue: 0,1:25:29.21,1:25:34.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Michael: Oh. the line stays through the microphone as though it's muted. Dialogue: 0,1:25:35.51,1:25:37.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it changes from red to black, I guess. Dialogue: 0,1:25:37.81,1:25:40.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Yeah, I had that problem too. Dialogue: 0,1:25:40.57,1:25:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Michael: That's visuals, Google! Dialogue: 0,1:25:43.00,1:25:49.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh, so I've been posting a little bit enthusiastically in the Google text chat, Dialogue: 0,1:25:49.98,1:25:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you guys may not have seen it, because I don't know where the Etherpad is, Dialogue: 0,1:25:54.16,1:25:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but who cares, at this point? Dialogue: 0,1:25:57.39,1:25:59.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I just wanted to mention, Phil: Dialogue: 0,1:25:59.41,1:26:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Helen Young has been a scholar connected with Stanford Dialogue: 0,1:26:04.32,1:26:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who lives in Palo Alto and is the mother of my brother-in-law. Dialogue: 0,1:26:08.01,1:26:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if you've interacted with her, Dialogue: 0,1:26:09.96,1:26:13.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but she spent a fair amount of time, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:26:13.10,1:26:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,close to twenty years, maybe, working at Beijing, Dialogue: 0,1:26:16.70,1:26:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and writing a book about the women on the Long March Dialogue: 0,1:26:22.04,1:26:25.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who she interviewed as much older women, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:26:25.81,1:26:28.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably in the 90's and early 2000's, Dialogue: 0,1:26:28.51,1:26:32.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is called "Women of the Revolution" -- "Choosing Revolution," Dialogue: 0,1:26:33.36,1:26:35.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which Stanford University Press published. Dialogue: 0,1:26:35.87,1:26:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I did a quick search for her Dialogue: 0,1:26:38.24,1:26:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and although she's not really on the Stanford website, Dialogue: 0,1:26:42.31,1:26:47.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a link to digital recordings of her interviews, Dialogue: 0,1:26:47.66,1:26:51.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,complete with translations, and I think, transcripts. Dialogue: 0,1:26:51.46,1:26:56.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I -- the -- I don't know if you can open the chat in Google, Dialogue: 0,1:26:56.71,1:27:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the -- the link to it I posted there\N>> Stevens [check]: OK. Dialogue: 0,1:27:00.46,1:27:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Michael: A number of, you know, 20 minutes ago, maybe. Dialogue: 0,1:27:02.97,1:27:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, you know, whether that's a topic of interest to any of your students, Dialogue: 0,1:27:08.40,1:27:11.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's, you know, interesting historical China stuff. Dialogue: 0,1:27:11.85,1:27:16.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I had no idea that there was actually, you know, Dialogue: 0,1:27:16.22,1:27:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sound recordings along with the transcripts. Dialogue: 0,1:27:18.95,1:27:22.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm assuming -- I don't know it they're in -- Dialogue: 0,1:27:22.47,1:27:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm guessing they were in Chinese originally, the records -- Dialogue: 0,1:27:25.96,1:27:27.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: That would be my guess too. Dialogue: 0,1:27:27.18,1:27:33.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which might make this repository actually valuable to the people learning Chinese here. Dialogue: 0,1:27:34.56,1:27:36.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Michael: Right, and apparently it's not online Dialogue: 0,1:27:36.83,1:27:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but somewhere, her papers on -- her research for this project is somehow connected to Stanford. Dialogue: 0,1:27:44.08,1:27:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: OK, Well, we have -- Dialogue: 0,1:27:46.69,1:27:49.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,various libraries here have collections of papers Dialogue: 0,1:27:49.94,1:27:53.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it may be that they are inside one of the libraries. I'll -- Dialogue: 0,1:27:53.71,1:27:55.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's Y-A-N-G? Dialogue: 0,1:27:55.43,1:28:03.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Michael: Yeah. Just Google it and it'll come up with, you know, a link to Amazon for the book. Dialogue: 0,1:28:03.87,1:28:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But my sister and her kids and my brother-in-law, Dialogue: 0,1:28:08.27,1:28:14.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two Summers ago, in the Summer of 2011, were on, essentially a book tour Dialogue: 0,1:28:14.01,1:28:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for two weeks in China, Dialogue: 0,1:28:15.56,1:28:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the original English publication had been translated five years later into Chinese Dialogue: 0,1:28:22.24,1:28:26.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my nephew, who's now a college student, Dialogue: 0,1:28:26.98,1:28:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two days after his high-school graduation, was, you know, flying to China Dialogue: 0,1:28:31.72,1:28:33.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a kind of whirlwind tour, Dialogue: 0,1:28:33.39,1:28:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it was an interesting cultural experience for my sister and her family. Dialogue: 0,1:28:41.74,1:28:44.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: OK. Shall we call it a day, Vance? Dialogue: 0,1:28:44.46,1:28:47.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: Let's do and just a point of reference: Dialogue: 0,1:28:47.63,1:28:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,David put some links in earlier, Dialogue: 0,1:28:50.02,1:28:56.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if you scroll up, maybe you can find some of the links that he referred you to. But -- Dialogue: 0,1:28:56.23,1:28:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: OK. \N>> Stevens: -- Well, this is learning together, Dialogue: 0,1:28:58.96,1:29:01.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is typical learning together that actually goes on Dialogue: 0,1:29:02.20,1:29:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just as long as we want it to. I love that. Dialogue: 0,1:29:04.67,1:29:09.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And anyway, it's still December 8, 2013. Dialogue: 0,1:29:09.63,1:29:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've been talking with Dr. Phil Hubbard who is a good friend and professor at Stanford Dialogue: 0,1:29:16.80,1:29:22.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and director of the English language program there, the ESL program. Dialogue: 0,1:29:23.14,1:29:27.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, well, and he's been telling us about curation Dialogue: 0,1:29:27.34,1:29:34.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how he applies it to a database of TED talks videos and that's really cool. Dialogue: 0,1:29:35.31,1:29:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, thank you very much, Dialogue: 0,1:29:36.86,1:29:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really appreciate your spending your time with us this morning. Dialogue: 0,1:29:39.58,1:29:44.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I can see that a lot of other people have appreciated it as well. Dialogue: 0,1:29:44.38,1:29:47.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: All right, well, thanks and I hope to see -- Dialogue: 0,1:29:48.26,1:29:50.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, I'll see {\i1}you{\i0} for sure in Portland Dialogue: 0,1:29:50.66,1:29:52.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I hope to see some of the rest of you Dialogue: 0,1:29:52.22,1:29:54.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either there or at some other conference sometime. Dialogue: 0,1:29:56.28,1:29:57.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right, bye bye. Dialogue: 0,1:29:57.54,1:30:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: OK: my cat says Bye -- Dialogue: 0,1:30:00.92,1:30:04.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: Aw, that's cute --\N>> Stevens: -- everybody! Yeah. Dialogue: 0,1:30:04.15,1:30:06.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hubbard and Stevens laugh] Dialogue: 0,1:30:06.98,1:30:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: OK, well, thanks very much, Dialogue: 0,1:30:08.94,1:30:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll stop broadcasting and we'll leave the hangout on for a little bit, Dialogue: 0,1:30:14.02,1:30:15.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just in -- because I want to try and capture some of the text chat. Dialogue: 0,1:30:15.45,1:30:16.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Dialogue: 0,1:30:16.89,1:30:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[missed word check] I'll see if that works. Dialogue: 0,1:30:18.32,1:30:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Hubbard: All right, thanks. Dialogue: 0,1:30:19.87,1:30:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Stevens: OK, bye bye. Dialogue: 0,1:30:22.55,1:30:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Hangouts On Air)